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You can't be a Tennessee, Alabama & Georgia Railway and a Central of Georgia Railway fan without being a NC&StL fan. The NC&StL was the first to defend TAG in the mid 1950s when Southern tried to bully TAG out of business. CofG at one point used the NC&StL depot in Rome. I have always wondered if there is any known swaths of the old abandoned NC&StL right of way/line between Kingston, GA and Rome, GA. I know NS uses a little remnant to access the flour mill in Rome. I would have to believe this branch was very light rail with little or no ditching or banked right of way. Most likely cinder ballast etc. and therefore nearly impossible to spot after all these years. Someone correct me but was it not abandoned in the mid 1940s? My wife grew up in the part of Floyd county where this line would have existed. She even had a relative struck and killed by a train back when it was still the Rome Railroad. I sure would love to have a clear idea where this line ran and if any right of way still exists. Warren

This was posted to the Yahoo group, and not to the IO group Bill Delmar Atlanta, GA ---------- Forwarded message --------- From: Todd Horton toddchorton@... [tagroute] <tagroute@...> Date: Tue, Jan 7, 2020 at 9:03 AM Subject: [tagroute] Bowser Box Cars To: TAG <tagroute@...> https://www.bowser-trains.com/new/40ftboxdec.html They are doing some 40' cars for the TA&G Todd Horton __._,_.___ Posted by: Todd Horton <toddchorton@...> Reply via web post ? Reply to sender ? Reply to group ? Start a New Topic ? Messages in this topic (1) Visit Your Group ? Privacy ? Unsubscribe ? Terms of Use . __,_._,___

I signed up in November and so far I have only seen one posting from 11/27. Is anybody out there?

http://csxthsociety.org/railfanning/southernry-tennesseediv.html There are several vintage - early 1970s - Chattanooga area shots on this page. Of interest to TAG fans will be good shots of all three former TAG GP7s in Southern paint. Two on what must be a Southern era TAG freight train and another on a Southern freight headed for Memphis via trackage rights on the NC&StL/L&N. Unless something has changed, all three of these locomotives still exist after 70 years of service. Hopefully at some point one or more will be preserved and restored. Warren

Thanks to all for the update on the caboose. I am saddened by the loss of life and the property damage however. There is only circumstantial evidence that it is former TAG. On one hand it was bought by the liquor store owner from an individual in Kensington on TAG. TAG operated two and at least one was known to be used as a MofW storage locker near Cooper Hights after replaced by steel bay window cabs. Cooper Heights is very near Kensington. Steve Johnson gave me a list of these former NC&STL cabooses that existed after the L&N merger. The only reason I don’t absolutely declare this to be formerly TAG caboose is because I am not aware of its former NC number. Warren

I talked to my Dad and he said there was some serious storm damage in Chattanooga last night. He said he heard that the Goodwill thrift store on E. Brainard got hit. The former NC&StL caboose that circumstantial evidence indicates may have been one of the two owned by TAG is nearby at a liquor store. I hope it received no damage. Also Dad said he thought he understood that the Alton Park neighborhood where the TAG yard was located got hit. Any idea if there was damage in or about the old yard? Industry has been declining in Alton Park and I would hate to see say the cotton cellulose paper mill destroyed or the railroad wouldn’t have a reason to keep the track in place. There are places in Alton Park that you can stand with a TAG era pic and it look almost the same. Warren

After the narrated video appears to end, there are several minutes of still photos around the shop. Bill Delmar Atlanta, GA ---------- Forwarded message --------- :TVRM machine shop - 30 minutes https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rDyjsCk9lCM

Golden Spike Enterprises decided today to cancel the show due to concerns with the Covid-19 virus. Bill Delmar Atlanta, GA

I have a few TAG train orders so if someone who doesn’t have one wants this let me know you plan on bidding and I’ll not bid against you. If nobody wants it then I’ll bid. Warren Look at this on eBay TENNESSEE, ALABAMA & GEORGIA RAILWAY TRAIN ORDER FROM ALTON PARK, TENNESSEE 1957

This was shared with me by recently retired NS engineer Tom Holley. At one time I had this footage. Or at least part of it. I loaned it to a friend and a coworker stole it from him and I never got it back. This rat coworker also took some TAG diesel footage I loaned my friend and put it on YouTube without giving me credit. I paid almost $60.00 to get it converted from reel film and this rat can’t even ask if I minded. If he had I would have said sure. Sad thing is this particular fellow was reared by two lifelong members of the Salvation Army. You think he would be a more upright man with that sort of parents. He also stole footage of the CofG coming through Lyerly, GA which is where my dad grew up. This bum took it and it was like a time machine for my dad because it showed where he grew up. At any rate, some of this footage is northbound and some southbound but it is presented as being southbound only. As far as I can tell, we first see the TAG motorcar on the Chattanooga Belt Railway above the state line. A far different St. Elmo than exists today. Note the stacks of hay. You can tell it’s north of the state line because the Belt tracks were not as well maintained as TAG mainline. Also the orientation of the classic profile of Lookout Mountain. The trip through the tunnel is actually northbound as is the shot of the yellow river trestle and the through truss trestle at little river. Isn’t it strange how narrow the yellow river trestle looks when you are headed directly away from it. Note when they break through the tunnel that there is a water tank on the left and a train order office on the right. If you don’t blink you can spot the TAG train order lantern. Instead of semaphores, the TAG once used Northeastern style train order lamps that had wings like a switch stand. Also in the shot of the busy street in Gadsden note the team of horses coming toward the camera. I would guess this was filmed about 1946-50. What I had did not have the trip through the tunnel but it had a still shot of the motorcar parked at Gadsden and it included coming into the Gadsden yard and passing a freight train about to depart for Chattanooga. There was also a shot of TAG steam engines parked in the yard at Alton Park. Any thoughts or observations? Many thanks to Tom for forwarding this. https://mirc.sc.edu/islandora/object/usc%3A55622

Hi Warren, It has been a while since we spoke. I'd like to reconnect as I have a TAG question for you. Please email me off group when you can. Mark McAllister

The November 2020 issue of Trains has a 4 page article by Casey Thomason, NS engineer and their company photographer, on TA&G 80. The engine is also the cover photo. Here is a link to the cover I scanned. Bill Delmar Atlanta, GA

Sorry, I hit Send too soon. The November 2020 issue of Trains has a 4 page article by Casey Thomason, NS engineer and their company photographer, on TA&G 80. The engine is also the cover photo. Here is a link to the cover I scanned. https://1drv.ms/b/s!AgaG2ZDxCD1G7BfzHNM3c311k_q9?e=fFO9cR Bill Delmar Atlanta, GA

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Reminder, with the festival flyer attached. ----------------------------------------------------- Cordele Railfan Festival 2020 Saturday, November 14, 2020 10:00 AM to 4:00 PM Trains Depart from Downtown Cordele. 105 East 9th Ave. Cordele, GA 31015 Enjoy 1 hour train rides on the SAM Shortline as part of the Cordele Railfan Festival. Price $10.00 Per Person Per Train Ride $25.00 All day pass (Ride as much as you want) Schedule and more-http://www.samshortline.com/cordele_railfan_festival.cfm Bill Delmar Atlanta, Ga

If your having trouble finding the Trains with the TAG 80 cover and article then may I suggest Walmart. I had looked at two Books-A-million and a Barnes & Nobel before happening upon a copy while in my local Walmart. The modern pictures are fantastic. The accuracy of the history/geography of TAG presented in the article was disappointing. One other thing that really bothers me is they used a picture I had printed on my home computer of the engine in Southern tuxedo. I believe I brought it with me when they dedicate the engine. They credited the wrong photographer and it was reproduced in the magazine at a much lower quality than the original Kodachrome slide which resides in my collection. I would have been happy to send the original slide to Milwaukee so the Trains art department could scan it for publication. I had thought about writing to Trains and giving them the true photographer’s name but I have decided not to. The modern pictures - including the cover - are beautiful as I have said and worth the price of the magazine. Warren

I can’t say for certain but it has been reported on other yahoo groups that 15 December yahoo is killing all groups. As moderator of the TAG yahoo group I have received no official notice as I did when they shut the files section down last year. I suspect this is accurate information though. If you have not become a member over at TAG groups io you may want to consider doing so just in case. Meanwhile let’s keep posting to both groups till yahoo group dies. I hope someone is planning on making a group io page for the Central of Georgia otherwise CofG fans will loose the ability to connect. Warren

I finally was able to confirm the date David Hedges the president of TAG unexpectedly passed away. 15 Dec. 1964, and he is not buried on Signal Mountain as I assumed but is buried on the north side of the river near Hixson. His death certificate says under occupation president and under kind of business railroad. He did indeed have a sudden heart attack as related to me by former TAG folks. You will never see a man start right out of high school and rise to the top job in this day and time. Warren

A few years before he passed away, Bob Sironen showed me some of the street car right of way up in Missionary Ridge. I was tired after driving up to see Bob after a shift at the Atlanta airport where I work and was not “crisp” enough to remember the street name. I’ll be in the area soon and want to poke around and find it again. Does anyone know the streets where you can spot the right of way. I vaguely remember seeing a cannon and at one point the right of way cut across someone’s yard at an angle. Warren

I was never really sure but I always suspected that the Central of Georgia had constructed their spur line that ran from the CofG mainline just above the TN/GA state line, west to the industrial Alton Park neighborhood where the TAG yard was located. I have a 1917 valuation map of this spur and it clearly indicates CofG ownership. There was so much traffic in the Alton Park neighborhood that even the NC&StL built an industrial spur to the area. Turns out this is not the case. I was looking at an old 1889 atlas of Chattanooga and it lists this spur as Chattanooga Union Railway trackage. It is worth noting that the builder of TAG - C. E. James - also built the Chatt. Union RY. The Chatt. UN. RY. eventually became a Southern/AGS subsidiary known as the Chattanooga Belt Railway. At some point evidently Southern(AGS) sold the spur to CofG? In TAG employee's timetables, the area where the CofG spur entered Alton Park and connected/crossed the TAG yard was called Doty Junction. The old Atlas shows a tract of land there called "Doty"? I have a biography of TAG builder C. E. James somewhere but I can't lay my hands on it. Perhaps his wife was named Doty? The adjacent property is listed as "James"? There was also a continuation of this CofG spur track that once it crossed the TAG yard, it wrapped around the back side of the Chattanooga Glass Co. which bordered the TAG yard on its west side. Many maps indicate that this track was CofG property but Belt Railway valuation maps indicate that it was a joint CofG/Southern(AGS) property. I had understood that the CofG had built this track in conjunction with the Southern (AGS) but the same track is shown in the 1889 atlas and is listed there as belonging to the Chatt. Union RY. Perhaps the CofG purchased an interest in this track at the same time they bought the spur from their mainline? When the Coverdale syndicate was rebuilding the TAG mainline from 56 pound rail to 100 pound rail, every year in the annual report, they included a chart of their progress. One year some 75 pound rail was included. As it turned out, a CofG crew got carried away and exceeded their maintenance limit and laid some of their 75 pound rail into the TAG yard. With this in mind I assume that the CofG Alton Park spur was 75 pound rail? One of the things I just can't find anything on is CofG operations in Alton Park. I have also looked for pictures of CofG passenger trains at Terminal Station (Choo Choo) and have been skunked here too. I was discussing with someone how the junction of the Belt Railway River Division and Georgia Division just north of the TAG yard formed a wye track where TAG turned their large steam engines after they outgrew their small turntable. This sent me to my map collection to study the Belt Railway. There was also the East Lake, Boyce, St. Elmo and Citico Divisions. The Newby Division was how TAG gained access to their freight house and general office building in downtown Chattanooga. I have always wondered why the Belt was divided in this manner? In the heyday of the Belt Railway, did AGS guys bid Belt jobs or was their a separate seniority list like there was for Chattanooga Traction folks? I wonder what of the old Belt is still active. I know the Belt into Alton Park and the old CofG spur and a portion of the East Lake line still see a little action because I have seen/photographed it. Correct me if I am wrong but doesn't TVRM own a portion of the Boyce and Citico Divisions. Just before Christmas I went by the National Cemetery to pay my respects to Bob Sironen and I noticed an active customer on the TVRM portion. How often do TVRM crews serve this customer and are there any others? Doing a little map work, I determined our route we took the day Bob showed me the old Signal Mountain street car right of way. As you start up Signal Mountain, just as you pass the house of one of my heroes in the faith, the late Pastor Dr. Lee Roberson, you turn right. At the top of the ridge hang a right or south if you will. I'll make it back up there for a good look soon I hope. When you answer one Chat