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Re: Central of Georgia around Chattanooga
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Information update- Tim?Hayes is no longer with the Sandersville RR.? Email timlhayes22@...Thanks Warren. I actually spoke to Mr Magnuson earlier today. Wealth of knowledge. I definitely need to reach out to Mr Hayes as well. Thank you!
On Fri, Apr 4, 2025, 5:01?PM Warren Stephens via <wdstephens= [email protected]> wrote:
Two words, Randall Magnusson. Nobody knows that end of the C-Line like Randall. CCKY folks surly know how to reach out to him. Also Tim Hayes, formerly of NS but now the track supervisor for the Sandersville Railroad. Tim worked the TAG remnant and the CofG remnant in the pre CCKY days.
Warren?
On Friday, April 4, 2025 at 04:56:20 PM EDT, Adam Moore via <ahmoore79= [email protected]> wrote:
Hi everyone. I know this is a tag route group but I was hoping someone might be able to help with a project we're working on. I'm working with a group of contractors on the ccky between mp 442-443 reinforcing the hillside with steel piles. Would anyone have any knowledge or know someone that would have information about what had been previously done here before this project? We're trying to get an idea of what all might be in the ground below is. Any information is greatly appreciated!
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Re: Central of Georgia around Chattanooga
Information update- Tim?Hayes is no longer with the Sandersville RR.? Email timlhayes22@...
Thanks Warren. I actually spoke to Mr Magnuson earlier today. Wealth of knowledge. I definitely need to reach out to Mr Hayes as well. Thank you!
On Fri, Apr 4, 2025, 5:01?PM Warren Stephens via <wdstephens= [email protected]> wrote:
Two words, Randall Magnusson. Nobody knows that end of the C-Line like Randall. CCKY folks surly know how to reach out to him. Also Tim Hayes, formerly of NS but now the track supervisor for the Sandersville Railroad. Tim worked the TAG remnant and the CofG remnant in the pre CCKY days.
Warren?
On Friday, April 4, 2025 at 04:56:20 PM EDT, Adam Moore via <ahmoore79= [email protected]> wrote:
Hi everyone. I know this is a tag route group but I was hoping someone might be able to help with a project we're working on. I'm working with a group of contractors on the ccky between mp 442-443 reinforcing the hillside with steel piles. Would anyone have any knowledge or know someone that would have information about what had been previously done here before this project? We're trying to get an idea of what all might be in the ground below is. Any information is greatly appreciated!
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Re: Central of Georgia around Chattanooga
Thanks Warren. I actually spoke to Mr Magnuson earlier today. Wealth of knowledge. I definitely need to reach out to Mr Hayes as well. Thank you!
On Fri, Apr 4, 2025, 5:01?PM Warren Stephens via <wdstephens= [email protected]> wrote:
Two words, Randall Magnusson. Nobody knows that end of the C-Line like Randall. CCKY folks surly know how to reach out to him. Also Tim Hayes, formerly of NS but now the track supervisor for the Sandersville Railroad. Tim worked the TAG remnant and the CofG remnant in the pre CCKY days.
Warren?
On Friday, April 4, 2025 at 04:56:20 PM EDT, Adam Moore via <ahmoore79= [email protected]> wrote:
Hi everyone. I know this is a tag route group but I was hoping someone might be able to help with a project we're working on. I'm working with a group of contractors on the ccky between mp 442-443 reinforcing the hillside with steel piles. Would anyone have any knowledge or know someone that would have information about what had been previously done here before this project? We're trying to get an idea of what all might be in the ground below is. Any information is greatly appreciated!
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Re: Central of Georgia around Chattanooga
Two words, Randall Magnusson. Nobody knows that end of the C-Line like Randall. CCKY folks surly know how to reach out to him. Also Tim Hayes, formerly of NS but now the track supervisor for the Sandersville Railroad. Tim worked the TAG remnant and the CofG remnant in the pre CCKY days.
Warren?
On Friday, April 4, 2025 at 04:56:20 PM EDT, Adam Moore via groups.io <ahmoore79@...> wrote:
Hi everyone. I know this is a tag route group but I was hoping someone might be able to help with a project we're working on. I'm working with a group of contractors on the ccky between mp 442-443 reinforcing the hillside with steel piles. Would anyone have any knowledge or know someone that would have information about what had been previously done here before this project? We're trying to get an idea of what all might be in the ground below is. Any information is greatly appreciated!
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Central of Georgia around Chattanooga
Hi everyone. I know this is a tag route group but I was hoping someone might be able to help with a project we're working on. I'm working with a group of contractors on the ccky between mp 442-443 reinforcing the hillside with steel piles. Would anyone have any knowledge or know someone that would have information about what had been previously done here before this project? We're trying to get an idea of what all might be in the ground below is. Any information is greatly appreciated!
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Re: Is this an old TAG crossing
Yes. Formerly this local was known as Archer station but later - on TAG at least - it was known as Hedges in honor of Dave Hedges the TAG president. After Southern abandoned the middle portion of TAG, this was the end of the line. The plant in the background is the old Archer Barwick carpet mill. TAG leased their 50 foot round roof boxcars to service this plant. They were stenciled “for carpet loading only” and “when empty return to TAG Railway Chattanooga Tennessee “. I have seen pictures of those cars taken as far away as San Francisco and Washington state. Barwick also had a mill in Lafayette on the old CofG. At some point, due to mismanagement, Barwick went under. The founder’s kids skimming money or some such. I don’t recall exactly as I was still young then; but I do remember it had a severe impact on Lafayette/Walker County. It was at Archer that the TAG was very close geographically to CofG. People from Walker County/Lafayette worked at both plants many from Chattooga County where I grew up, worked there too. As a side note, my paternal grandfather Harbin Stephens was working at the Hedges plant at aged 64. About 1976 or so. They shut down for the week of the 4th of July as mills used to do. He felt bad during his vacation and went to see a doctor. Well all those years of smoking unfiltered camels caught up with him. He didn’t go back to work and he was gone by the fall. Sad. At this point you are about 1.5 rail miles north of the tunnel. ?
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On Apr 2, 2025, at 11:15?PM, Brad Culligan via groups.io <btculligan@...> wrote:
? Unfortunately the street view image is from 2007, is this still there?
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Near the intersection of Highways 193 & 341 in NE Georgia, near the TAG Tunnel
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Is this an old TAG crossing
Unfortunately the street view image is from 2007, is this still there?
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Near the intersection of Highways 193 & 341 in NE Georgia, near the TAG Tunnel
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Re: What is/was the big white building in Menlo and was it serviced by the TAG?
Both were a part of Best Mfg. Glove factory.
On Sunday, March 16, 2025, 8:33 AM, David Luther via groups.io <dwluther@...> wrote:
Box cars were set out at the depot a couple times each year. Material scraps from cutting gloves were bagged, saved, then loaded there. Not from this building though. They were from the building across town near where the old caboose was located for MOW storage.
On Sunday, March 16, 2025, 7:41 AM, Brad Culligan via groups.io <btculligan@...> wrote: https://maps.app.goo.gl/AEbEPbjjD1f3Ts6r8?g_st=ic
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Re: What is/was the big white building in Menlo and was it serviced by the TAG?
Box cars were set out at the depot a couple times each year. Material scraps from cutting gloves were bagged, saved, then loaded there. Not from this building though. They were from the building across town near where the old caboose was located for MOW storage.
On Sunday, March 16, 2025, 7:41 AM, Brad Culligan via groups.io <btculligan@...> wrote: https://maps.app.goo.gl/AEbEPbjjD1f3Ts6r8?g_st=ic
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What is/was the big white building in Menlo and was it serviced by the TAG?
https://maps.app.goo.gl/AEbEPbjjD1f3Ts6r8?g_st=ic
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I was in Chattanooga and I drove around the TAG yard at Alton Park. AMD/Southern Cellulose looked to be slow. Not many boxcars. The old Lookout oil, now some sort of used cooking oil recycling place had a few tank cars. CSX pulled out a good while ago, and I don’t know how much longer NS will be interested in Alton Park. The old streetcar track is still visible in the pavement on the west side of the old Chattanooga Glass property. They have started to demolish more of the glass work’s derelict buildings. CofG had a team track that wrapped around the west side. TAG had the rights to switch it. There is a beautiful old church on the west side of the old glass complex. The pastor there in the 1940s was a fellow named Dr. Mark Cambron. He was an early dean at Tennessee Temple. In the 40s he had an up a coming preacher in to speak at this church. A young man named Billy Graham. The Pods people have moved out from the former roundhouse/diesel shops/yard office location. It is clean as a whistle and I would love to metal detect there. I fear that at some point in the near future, developers will bulldoze the yard and put up apartments. It is happening all over south Chattanooga. If you have never visited the sight, I wouldn’t put it off much longer. Remember Gadsden yard is totally abandoned and will be a thicket soon. In other news, Todd Hortons, spotted the TAG heritage locomotive in Dalton a week or so ago. He was favorably impressed. The latest issue of Railfan and Railroad has a right up about it. I am sure Trains will do likewise. I hope we all get to see her.
Warren
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BNSFFAN Railfanning Volume #7 Part 4
At about the five minute mark there will be some switching action at the long shuttered Gulf States Steel in Gadsden. One switcher is still in the yellow Republic Steel scheme. Mid to late 80s maybe. The yard on the north side of the overpass is Siskin Yard, named after the Siskin brothers, the last owners of an independent TAG. Southern named the yard after them as part of the butter up process of buying TAG. There is a SOU coil steel car in the yard. TAG had a small fleet of identical cars They bought the gondolas secondhand from Southern although they were rather new. Then Southern and TAG had identical covers made that were to Republic specs. I always thought it would make a cool model. SRHA probably has drawings of the gondola and the covers in their archives. But they tend to sit on what they have and sadly I don’t see them ever doing the car in any scale. Looks like the mill is busy. I was there a few years before they closed. I watched NS deliver a long string of coke or coal. Too bad they were unable to survive. Back in the day, one pay period a year, the steel mill paid their people in silver dollars so as they went about their commerce, folks in the community could see the impact of the mill on the local economy. Even railroads that didn’t serve the mill directly, wanted a piece of the traffic pie. The Central of Georgia proposed building a connecting track with TAG at about the Chattooga/Walker county line. To bypass Chattanooga and get the mill traffic miles sooner. This same guy posted many late 80s vids from greater Chattanooga. In case you are feeling nostalgic.
Warren
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Re: NETRonline: Historic Aerials
Warren,
This is a wonderful find! Did you subscribe to it? I could see the maps or the dated ones but not the photos and the year at the same time. Is their a trick to this?
Arnold
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On 01/18/2025 8:08 PM EST arnoldeaves via groups.io <aseaves@...> wrote:
Warren,
This is a wonderful find! Did you subscribe to it? I could see the maps or the dated ones but not the photos and the year at the same time. Is their a trick to this?
Arnold
On 01/18/2025 6:32 PM EST Warren Stephens <wdstephens@...> wrote:
Look at the aerial of the TAG yard. Search Alton Part, Tennessee. You’ll have to pan south a little bit to find it. Note the turntable is still in place in 1955 image but it appears to be gone in the 1958. Likewise, a little East you find the original CofG yard with no sign of Cummins yard. In the 1958 image, the new Cummins yard is in place but the footprint of the original yard is still visible. Note also that Rossville Boulevard is uncut in both images, because the NC&StL had yet to be rerouted and Southern had yet to be elevated.
Warren
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Re: NETRonline: Historic Aerials
Warren,
This is a wonderful find! Did you subscribe to it? I could see the maps or the dated ones but not the photos and the year at the same time. Is their a trick to this?
Arnold
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On 01/18/2025 6:32 PM EST Warren Stephens <wdstephens@...> wrote:
Look at the aerial of the TAG yard. Search Alton Part, Tennessee. You’ll have to pan south a little bit to find it. Note the turntable is still in place in 1955 image but it appears to be gone in the 1958. Likewise, a little East you find the original CofG yard with no sign of Cummins yard. In the 1958 image, the new Cummins yard is in place but the footprint of the original yard is still visible. Note also that Rossville Boulevard is uncut in both images, because the NC&StL had yet to be rerouted and Southern had yet to be elevated.
Warren
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NETRonline: Historic Aerials
Look at the aerial of the TAG yard. Search Alton Part, Tennessee. You’ll have to pan south a little bit to find it. Note the turntable is still in place in 1955 image but it appears to be gone in the 1958. Likewise, a little East you find the original CofG yard with no sign of Cummins yard. In the 1958 image, the new Cummins yard is in place but the footprint of the original yard is still visible. Note also that Rossville Boulevard is uncut in both images, because the NC&StL had yet to be rerouted and Southern had yet to be elevated.
Warren
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Reminder - 66th Atlanta Model Train Show - THIS Saturday, January 18, 2025
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66th Atlanta Model Train Show
Saturday, January 18, 2026 9:00 AM to 4:00 PM
Gas South Convention Center (Formerly the Infinite Energy Forum) 6400 Sugarloaf Parkway, Duluth, Georgia 30097
Atlanta's OLDEST and LARGEST MODEL TRAIN and RAILROADIANA SHOW !? Over 300 Tables of Model Trains and Railroad Collectibles For Sale ! Seven Operating Layouts !
Admission $12,?Children under 12 Free. Early admission $25.? Good for all times.
Parking deck - $5 for up to?12 hours, credit/debit card only
Admission discount card ?
For Dealer Contracts and Show Information contact: Charlie Miller 3106 N. Rochester Street Arlington, VA 22213
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66th Atlanta Model Train Show - THIS Saturday, January 18, 2025
Please share and cross-post. ------------------------------------------------------
66th Atlanta Model Train Show
Saturday, January 18, 2026 9:00 AM to 4:00 PM
Gas South Convention Center (Formerly the Infinite Energy Forum) 6400 Sugarloaf Parkway, Duluth, Georgia 30097
Atlanta's OLDEST and LARGEST MODEL TRAIN and RAILROADIANA SHOW !? Over 300 Tables of Model Trains and Railroad Collectibles For Sale ! Seven Operating Layouts !
Admission $12,?Children under 12 Free. Early admission $25.? Good for all times.
Parking deck - $5 for up to?12 hours, credit/debit card only
Admission discount card ?
For Dealer Contracts and Show Information contact: Charlie Miller 3106 N. Rochester Street Arlington, VA 22213
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Re: photo of TAG caboose
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Well the door as depicted in the Car & Locomotive Cyclopedia is not the same as the door we see in the photos taken during their time on TAG? This attached is not the best but it does show the top of the caboose. And the door.
Warren??
On Thursday, January 9, 2025 at 11:05:30 PM EST, Warren Stephens <wdstephens@...> wrote:
No sir, that caboose was bought by Randall Magnuson and trucked to Lafayette. The wood sheathing was so rotten that he couldn’t save it. He did retain the trucks and hardware. This was when he was a teen. His intention was to someday rebuild it but so far he has not. The Menlo caboose was ancient. It had arch bar trucks which are in the weeds near the Central of Georgia tracks in Lafayette unless Randall moved them after he retired. I will try and post a picture of the Menlo caboose tomorrow maybe. I also hope to look over the pics/negatives/slides I have of the external brace cabooses like the yellow one and the one on East Brainerd.?
On Jan 9, 2025, at 6:53?AM, David Luther via groups.io <dwluther@...> wrote:
? I'm assuming it was one of these that sat on the siding at Menlo and used for storage before the MOW building was built in the 60's? Always full of wasps nest so we kids wouldn't climb into it.
David Luther
It is He that has made us, and not we ourselves;
On Wednesday, January 8, 2025 at 06:48:16 PM EST, Steven D Johnson via groups.io <tenncentralrwy@...> wrote:
Warren, ? Attached are various photos of those cabooses.? The article is from a 1925 Car & Locomotive Cyclopedia. No. 318 is the only one that I’m aware of to be repainted into a full L&N scheme.? As for screen doors, it appears that NC&StL no. 6 has one.? In the photos of TAG nos. X-62 and X-63, it appears that neither has screen doors.? In the photo I sent, the screen door looks to be a fairly recent addition.? ? Steve Johnson ? ? ? Boy I have really wanted to get out my references material and pictures of these cabooses because this photo has peaked my interest in them again. Will have to be on an off day. Steve, years ago you sent me a drawing of these and although I have several pics of the two TAG bought from NC&StL, I don’t have any of them in NC or later in L&N service. I bought the resin model of this caboose that came out years ago. Every now and then, I open the box and look at it. It is well beyond my skill level. Something for retirement. The kit came with a page of prototype photos. I’ll look at those. I am curious about the screen doors? Did these preexist their sale to TAG or did TAG add them? This may shore up the notion that the caboose by the liquor store is in fact former TAG. I didn’t take any pics this last visit- of the liquor store caboose - because I have plenty. I’ll look through those as well.? ?
On Jan 7, 2025, at 11:45?PM, Warren Stephens <wdstephens@...> wrote: ?That is an interesting photo. This is most definitely Alton Park (South Chattanooga) where TAG had their yard, shop and dispatchers and later their freight depot. The screen door is a nice touch. I was in Chattanooga this past weekend. I didn’t get by the old yard sight. I drove down East Brainerd to see what shape that old former NC&StL caboose was in. The one by the liquor store. As I recall it also has a screen door. Did they have these installed during NC&StL service or was that something TAG added? It is in desperate need of some TLC. The Caboose by the liquor store that is. I feel strongly that the East Brainerd ?caboose was the TAG caboose that sat on the Cooper Heights siding and was used for MofW storage. If that is the case, this yellow caboose would be the caboose that was on display at the elementary school. TAG didn’t use these two second hand cabooses long. Maybe five or six years. I don’t know who painted them for TAG originally. I can tell you that Southern painted the two second hand bay window cabooses they sold TAG. At Haynes shop. The ones that replaced these NC&StL in mainline service. I have a negative of one of these same cabooses tacked on the back of a TAG southbound crossing Central Avenue and departing Alton Park. There are a brakemen and conductor standing on the back platform looking rearward. Sadly it is a poor negative even though it is medium format. It is obviously cold and they are bundled up. Maybe someone good at photoshop could clean it up a little. I would be interested in bidding if just for this image.? Warren ?
On Jan 7, 2025, at 7:34?PM, arnoldeaves via groups.io <aseaves@...> wrote: ? This must be the caboose that was parked on display behind the Happy Valley Elementary School in Rossville, Georgia back in the 80's-early 90's. Long since scrapped, alas. Great slide. On 01/07/2025 6:50 PM EST Steven D Johnson via groups.io <tenncentralrwy@...> wrote: Happened upon this on eBay: ?
? TAG caboose #X-63, nee-NC&StL ? ? Steve Johnson
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The first time I saw this caboose it was in wretched condition. About maybe 15 years ago the owner resheathed it with fresh wooden boards. I first discovered its existence maybe five or ten years prior to that. I looked back at the images I took upon first discovery and although it looks bad now, it was way worse before he restored it. I am sure somewhere I have pics of it freshly cleaned up but I don’t want to dig. I see no screen door in either shot. On this attachment, the door is very close to the appearance of the original. But in the as first discovered pics, the door had a tiny diamond shaped window. Almost outhouse like. The attached was taken in 2020. I looked at all my TAG prints and scans of these and see no evidence of screen doors.
Warren
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