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Re: DB4032 duplexor

Tedd Doda
 

On Thu, 04 Mar 1999 23:02:56 -0500, mch wrote:

Can you both post your charts on a web page somewhere?
Perhaps Kevin could put it on the RBTIP. :)
Mine is just a partial drawing, but I'd be more than
happy to post it. I'm just looking into getting a
scanner (the CD-R had priority, hi). If I scan it,
can you post it somewhere?

Mines a copy of copy, but I may be able to redraw it
using StarOffice. Would that be better...


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Re: DB4032 duplexor

Kevin K. Custer W3KKC
 

mch wrote:

From: mch <mch@...>

Can you both post your charts on a web page somewhere?
Perhaps Kevin could put it on the RBTIP. :)

If not, I can E-mail you a fax number privately.

Thanks,
Joe, KR3P
I can..... Please send (as a web page if possible) to me directly.
If you don't know how to do html, I'll copy and paste into a web page.

send to kuggie@...

Kevin


Re: NHRC controller

Ray J. Vaughan
 

At 11:55 PM 3/4/99 EST, you wrote:
From: SS409SS@...

Anyone have the NHRC controller designed to plug into the Mastr II?? Any
feed back on it would be appreciated.. Tnx Richy
I use some of their other models. Great simple easy controllers. If you
do decide to try it, please join my NHRC list here at onelist.



Ray J. Vaughan, MS, CBTE
KD4BBM PG-7-15266

ray@...


Re: DB4032 duplexor

mch
 

Can you both post your charts on a web page somewhere?
Perhaps Kevin could put it on the RBTIP. :)

If not, I can E-mail you a fax number privately.

Thanks,
Joe, KR3P

Tedd Doda wrote:


On Thu, 04 Mar 1999 19:34:36 -0800, csnichol wrote:
If you cant get the document from decibel I will send you a copy.
I think our drawing are very close. All the cables are lettered
"A" to "E" in a chart and the chart has 3 rows, 400 to 600 Khz,
600 to 1000 Khz, and 1 meg or more (being the RX/TX separation).


Re: DB4032 duplexor

csnichol
 

Tedd,
I use on of these on my repeater. I got some conversion info from an
Engineer at Decibel
back in 95. The drawing is not an offical engineering drawing and has a
number mkt019/a
on it you might see if you can get it.
Cable measurements are cut lengths, connectors not included
Open the cans and trim the helix to 7 1/4 turns.
Pop rivet the cans back together
on the low freq side...
Can to Tee length 14 3/4
Shorted stub length 19 1/2
Interconnect (Qty 2)
29 1/2
On the high freq side...
Can to Tee length 29 1/2
Open stub length 21 1/2
Interconnect (Qty 2) 41 3/4

For the arms of the Y cable at the antenna port
41 3/4 Qty 2

I used the long stub to make the short ones.
I made new long stubs
I did not change anything alse in the harness as it was darn close and
it works for me.

If you cant get the document from decibel I will send you a copy.

Chris
N9LLO


Tedd Doda wrote:


From: "Tedd Doda" <lazer@...>

Hi Guys:

Anyone know where to find out cable lengths (open stubs,
shorted stubs) within the DB4032 duplexor? I have parts
of the owners manual, but what I need is missing.

The repeater is going on 53.37 tx, 52.37 rx.

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Re: DB4032 duplexor

Tedd Doda
 

Hi Chris:

On Thu, 04 Mar 1999 19:34:36 -0800, csnichol wrote:

I use on of these on my repeater. I got some conversion info from an
Engineer at Decibel
back in 95. The drawing is not an offical engineering drawing and has a
number mkt019/a
on it you might see if you can get it.
On one of the sheets that I have, there is a drawing number
040020 issue "G". I would have thought that the length of
the cables would have to be modified, as the cans were on
45.140 / 46.190, and they will be going up almost 8 megs?
Now I don't know if this drawing belongs to these exact
cavities, so some differences may crop up.

After your dimensions, I'll put in what is on my drawing:

Open the cans and trim the helix to 7 1/4 turns.
Pop rivet the cans back together
To get the cans in our band with the adjuster near mid range,
I shorted 2 turns of the helix at the "open" end. This way,
the cans can be returned to "stock". Is it better to just
trim the copper?

on the low freq side...
Can to Tee length 14 3/4
same ("A" on my drawing)

Shorted stub length 19 1/2
This is strange. My drawing shows a value of 15" with a
split up to 1 MHz, and no stub if 1 meg or higher?

Interconnect (Qty 2)
29 1/2
same

On the high freq side...
Can to Tee length 29 1/2
same

Open stub length 21 1/2
Mine shows 27" up to 1 meg, and no stub if 1 meg or
more.

Interconnect (Qty 2) 41 3/4
same


For the arms of the Y cable at the antenna port
41 3/4 Qty 2
same

I used the long stub to make the short ones.
I made new long stubs
I did not change anything alse in the harness as it was darn close and
it works for me.
I would like the duplexor to work as best it can Chris, so
do you think optimizing the dimensions for our band will yield
any better response?

If you cant get the document from decibel I will send you a copy.
I think our drawing are very close. All the cables are lettered
"A" to "E" in a chart and the chart has 3 rows, 400 to 600 Khz,
600 to 1000 Khz, and 1 meg or more (being the RX/TX separation).

My cans are rated from 45 to 50 megs, so increasing the
operating frequency by about 10%, should decrease the
length of the cables by that amount...no?

Do you have DB's web address?

Thanks for all the help Chris....


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Re: DB4032 duplexor

de Ric KK5RIC
 

Very good, you Momma did not raise no fool.

de Rick kk5ric

At 19:34 04-03-99 -0800, you wrote:
From: csnichol <csnichol@...>

Tedd,
I use on of these on my repeater. I got some conversion info from an
Engineer at Decibel
back in 95. The drawing is not an offical engineering drawing and has a
number mkt019/a
on it you might see if you can get it.
Cable measurements are cut lengths, connectors not included
Open the cans and trim the helix to 7 1/4 turns.
Pop rivet the cans back together
on the low freq side...
Can to Tee length 14 3/4
Shorted stub length 19 1/2
Interconnect (Qty 2)
29 1/2
On the high freq side...
Can to Tee length 29 1/2
Open stub length 21 1/2
Interconnect (Qty 2) 41 3/4

For the arms of the Y cable at the antenna port
41 3/4 Qty 2

I used the long stub to make the short ones.
I made new long stubs
I did not change anything alse in the harness as it was darn close and
it works for me.

If you cant get the document from decibel I will send you a copy.

Chris
N9LLO


Tedd Doda wrote:

From: "Tedd Doda" <lazer@...>

Hi Guys:

Anyone know where to find out cable lengths (open stubs,
shorted stubs) within the DB4032 duplexor? I have parts
of the owners manual, but what I need is missing.

The repeater is going on 53.37 tx, 52.37 rx.

Tedd Doda CET

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Re: NHRC controller

 

In a message dated 3/5/99 0:27:02 AM EST, ray@... writes:

<< I use some of their other models. Great simple easy controllers. If you
do decide to try it, please join my NHRC list here at onelist.



Ray J. Vaughan, MS, CBTE
KD4BBM PG-7-15266

ray@... >>


Too late Ray!! I am already on your list! Tnx Richy :-)


NHRC controller

 

Hi Rich here,

Anyone have the NHRC controller designed to plug into the Mastr II?? Any
feed back on it would be appreciated.. Tnx Richy


DB4032 duplexor

Tedd Doda
 

Hi Guys:

Anyone know where to find out cable lengths (open stubs,
shorted stubs) within the DB4032 duplexor? I have parts
of the owners manual, but what I need is missing.

The repeater is going on 53.37 tx, 52.37 rx.


Tedd Doda CET

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[Fwd: Lo Band Micor questions]

Kevin K. Custer W3KKC
 

Can anyone with a lowband manual help David, he is not
subscribed to the list so please email him directly......

David Bolduc <dbolduc@...>

Thanks,

Kevin Custer,
List Owner


Repeater list server comments??

Kevin K. Custer W3KKC
 

Hi Gang,

A bunch of you that are subscribed here are also subscribed to the
Repeater list at onelist. I am also subscribed to it and the GE
list at qth.net. I received this attached email from the GE
server.

I thought the comments in this attachment from the co-moderator of
that list were "interesting" to say the least.

I am now not certain what the main interest and objective is on
that list...??

Please be it known that this list is NOT biased for GE or Motorola
or any other brand, and since this list is for repeater builders,
repeater discussion IS the primary tone of interest here.


The original email was received on March 04 1999, Today......
Kevin Custer,
Repeater-Builder List Owner.


Re: Decibel Products DB-224s on sale

Ken Califf
 

I looked on their web page, and the price was $463.40 for the one in the ham
band.

DPW wrote:

From: DPW <dpw@...>

To All,

I just ordered a new DB-224 from a company in S. Florida called
Marketronics. The price was $364.00 plus shipping. These things list
for over $500.00. I thought if anyone is building a repeater, here is a
great antenna for it at a good price.

Marketronics Corporation
1-800-845-1230
Janine Ext. 244



I hope this helps. It seems you can never have too many sources for
such things.

David Waters, AC4JF

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Re: GE Ranger for 6 meters? [update]

Chuck Wood
 

YEP


73S CHUCK

-----Original Message-----
From: mch <mch@...>
To: repeater-builder@... <repeater-builder@...>
Date: Tuesday, March 02, 1999 1:02 PM
Subject: [repeater-builder] Re: GE Ranger for 6 meters? [update]


From: mch <mch@...>

Chuck Wood wrote:

... ALSO THE C.H.P. HAS ABOUT 5000 OF THESE IN THEIR FLEET THEY
MUST BE O.K..
In fact, CHP designed (for the most part) the S825 series control units.

Joe, KR3P

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Re: GE Ranger for 6 meters? [update]

Chuck Wood
 

THE HIGH SPLIT RANGER WORKS FROM 35-50 IN A MOBILE ENVIORNMENT NO FILTERING
IS NECESSARY. I REALLY DONT BELIEVE THIS BABY MONITOR OR CORDLESS THING.
IF YOU WANT TO USE IT AS A RPT. DO THE NORMAL PASS CAVITY STUFF. BUT
PREFERABILY GET A MASTER II LOW BAND AND
BUY THE XTALS AND DO IT THAT WAY. IF YOU CAN LOCATE A BASE STATION THEY ARE
CONTINUOUS DUTY. MY SIX METER RPT IS A LINKED VOTED SYSTEM WHERE THE
RECEIVERS ARE LOCATED AWAY FROM THE XMITTER AND LINKED AND VOTED.
ONE OF THE RECEIVERS IS A RANGER AND I HAVE NOT HAD ONE BIT OF TROUBLE WITH
IT ON SIX. THE REASON WE ARE USING GE RADIOS INSTEAD OF MOTOROLA IS THAT
GE HAS SEPERATE RCVRS AND XMITTERS ON THE XTAL RADIOS WHERE MOTO HAS THEM
ALL ON ONE BOARD. LOOK AT THEM. YOU CAN PUT A GE VHF RCVR AND AUHF XMITTER
TOGETHER AND HAVE A INSTANT LINK. ALSO THEY ARE BASIC RADIOS THAT ARE OF
THE LAST AND BEST XTAL GENERATION. THEY ARE EXTREMELY TIGHT,SIMPLE, EASIALLY
AVAILABLE AND OVER ALL VERY GOOD
BE IT THE MVP THE EXEC II OR THE MASTER II . A FRIEND ONCE TOLD ME TO
QUIT MESSING WITH MOTO WHICH YOU HAD TO CHANGE CAPS AND DO EXTENSIVE MODS ON
TO GET INTO THE HAM BANDS AND USE GE INSTEAD. I FINALLY
LOOKED AT THEM AND REALIZED THEY WERE THE BEST FOR HAM USE. I HAVE BEEN
LOOKING AT ALL THIS TALK ON THE NET ABOUT GE VS MOTO AND REALIZE SOME OF
THESE GUYS ARE WHERE I WAS 10-15 YEARS AGO. TRUST ME UNLESS THE MOTO IS
ALREADY A REPEATER AND ON THE BAND YOU WANT YOU CANT BEAT THE GE STUFF. AND
I DARE ANY ONE TO TELL ME THE DIFFERENCE BY LISTENING TO IT. ALSO YOUR
GE UHF RANGER DOES NOT HAVE HELICALS THE RANGER SERIES HAD A TUNED FILTER
THAT WAS NOT A HELICAL IT WAS SOME SORT OF FIXED XTAL FILTER. LOOK AT IT
THERE ARE NO TUNING SLUGS.--

GOOD LUCK KEEP ME POSTED.

CHUCK WD6APP--Original Message-----
From: Tedd Doda <lazer@...>
To: repeater-builder@... <repeater-builder@...>
Date: Tuesday, March 02, 1999 10:34 AM
Subject: [repeater-builder] Re: GE Ranger for 6 meters? [update]


From: "Tedd Doda" <lazer@...>

Hi Chuck:

On Tue, 2 Mar 1999 08:11:35 -0800, Chuck Wood wrote:

I HAVE ONE ON A MOUNTAIN 3500 FEET NO PROBLEM. YES THEY ARE WIDE BAND.
BUT
THERE ARE MANY WAYS OF EASIALLY FILTERING THEM. ISERIOUSLY DOUBT THAT A
BABY MONITOR COULD CAUSE PROBLEMS.
I'd like to hear your ideas about filtering. Because I'm using
notch only filters, each offending frequency would need it's
own filter. Is there a "intermod" style filter available for 6?

YOU CANNOT DUPLEX A PLL RADIO THEY MUST
BE XTAL OR YOU NEED TO USE TWO OF THEM .
Thanks.

ANYONE WHO DOESNT WANT THEIR
RANGERS JUST SEND THEM TO ME ILL SUFFER WITH THEM.
I've decided to get a couple to try them out. As I mentioned
before, I have a UHF Ranger, and it works very well, in a
high RF neighbourhood, probably due to the helical resonator
front end.

ALSO THE C.H.P. HAS
ABOUT 5000 OF THESE IN THEIR FLEET THEY MUST BE O.K..
On 6 meters???

Thanks for the input.


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Re: GE Ranger for 6 meters? [update]

mch
 

Chuck Wood wrote:

... ALSO THE C.H.P. HAS ABOUT 5000 OF THESE IN THEIR FLEET THEY
MUST BE O.K..
In fact, CHP designed (for the most part) the S825 series control units.

Joe, KR3P


Re: GE Ranger for 6 meters? [update]

Tedd Doda
 

Hi Chuck:

On Tue, 2 Mar 1999 08:11:35 -0800, Chuck Wood wrote:

I HAVE ONE ON A MOUNTAIN 3500 FEET NO PROBLEM. YES THEY ARE WIDE BAND. BUT
THERE ARE MANY WAYS OF EASIALLY FILTERING THEM. ISERIOUSLY DOUBT THAT A
BABY MONITOR COULD CAUSE PROBLEMS.
I'd like to hear your ideas about filtering. Because I'm using
notch only filters, each offending frequency would need it's
own filter. Is there a "intermod" style filter available for 6?

YOU CANNOT DUPLEX A PLL RADIO THEY MUST
BE XTAL OR YOU NEED TO USE TWO OF THEM .
Thanks.

ANYONE WHO DOESNT WANT THEIR
RANGERS JUST SEND THEM TO ME ILL SUFFER WITH THEM.
I've decided to get a couple to try them out. As I mentioned
before, I have a UHF Ranger, and it works very well, in a
high RF neighbourhood, probably due to the helical resonator
front end.

ALSO THE C.H.P. HAS
ABOUT 5000 OF THESE IN THEIR FLEET THEY MUST BE O.K..
On 6 meters???

Thanks for the input.


Tedd Doda CET

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Re: Member Update

Cristobal Inos
 

Kevin K. Custer W3KKC wrote:

From: "Kevin K. Custer W3KKC" <kuggie@...>

The Repeater-Builder List now has 211 members.
This all has happened in just 14 days!

Carry on........

Kevin Custer
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March 3, 1999

I am not too sure whether we can do business in this list...it has to do
with linking repeaters. If anyone in the list is interested, please
contact me at: soni@....

thanks

chris inos
wh6um


Re: Decibel Products DB-224s on sale

Cristobal Inos
 

DPW wrote:


From: DPW <dpw@...>

To All,

I just ordered a new DB-224 from a company in S. Florida called
Marketronics. The price was $364.00 plus shipping. These things list
for over $500.00. I thought if anyone is building a repeater, here is a
great antenna for it at a good price.

Marketronics Corporation
1-800-845-1230
Janine Ext. 244



I hope this helps. It seems you can never have too many sources for
such things.

David Waters, AC4JF

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Re: GE Ranger for 6 meters? [update]

Chuck Wood
 

I HAVE ONE ON A MOUNTAIN 3500 FEET NO PROBLEM. YES THEY ARE WIDE BAND. BUT
THERE ARE MANY WAYS OF EASIALLY FILTERING THEM. ISERIOUSLY DOUBT THAT A
BABY MONITOR COULD CAUSE PROBLEMS. YOU CANNOT DUPLEX A PLL RADIO THEY MUST
BE XTAL OR YOU NEED TO USE TWO OF THEM . ANYONE WHO DOESNT WANT THEIR
RANGERS JUST SEND THEM TO ME ILL SUFFER WITH THEM. ALSO THE C.H.P. HAS
ABOUT 5000 OF THESE IN THEIR FLEET THEY MUST BE O.K..

CHUCK WD6APP

-----Original Message-----
From: Tedd Doda <lazer@...>
To: repeater-builder@... <repeater-builder@...>
Date: Monday, March 01, 1999 1:15 PM
Subject: [repeater-builder] Re: GE Ranger for 6 meters? [update]


From: "Tedd Doda" <lazer@...>

On Mon, 1 Mar 1999 08:34:28 -0800, Chuck Wood wrote:

THE RANGER WONT MAKE A RPT UNLESS YOU USE TWO OF THEM. HOWEVER THEY ARE
ONE
OF THE BEST SIX METER RADIOS GOING. IF YOU HAVE A CHANCE TO GET THEM DO.
I was talking to a GE service rep., and he also said that
2 are required because of the PLL only doing TX or RX at
one time.

ALSO ARE THEY AVAILABLE TO OTHER PEOPLE OR WHAT?
I think so. Supposedly, the 2 people that are selling them
got a skid load of them from a local police force that moved
to 800 Mhz trunking. If anyone is interested, I'll see what
his policy is about shipping them (they are currently in
Hamilton, Ontario, Canada).

AGAIN DONT LET THEM SLIP BY THEY ARE AN EXTREMELY GOOD RADIO.
One of the things that Reg (the GE tech) said was that the
Ranger has absolutely NO front end filtering. He had a Ranger
in his car for 6 meters, and noticed signals on the radio
that weren't on the repeater. He then concluded that the
front end must have been getting overloaded by all the baby
monitors and 49 Mhz cordless phones.

He then installed a GE Delta, and all the noise disappeared.

Is this a common problem with the Rangers?


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