? I use a similar system-my K4D with 2 receivers and band scopes. I keep a low volume on my transmit frequency plus look to see if there’s someone (usually a station calling CQ without sending QRL!) or a hunter on my frequency-who I’ll ignore unless I state ?‘simplex’. Most likely due to the high noise level I didn’t hear or see anything with the exception of a station trying to use the frequency,who I managed to chase off sending’QRL’ -frequency in use. As I mentioned earlier the only two stations I worked not split were the last two callers,and one thought I was POTA. ?And I believe some stations weren’t copying me well enough to hear ‘up-up’ on every CQ. If folks look back at the emails, I sent one during the middle of the hunt telling folks to slow down and call up due to the high noise levels ?So it goes-we’ll see what happens next time and see who pays attention.? Dan Presley 503-701-3871 danpresley@me. com? N7CQR@...
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On Feb 6, 2025, at 07:32, Mike Olbrisch <mike-2025@...> wrote:
? Good morning Dan.
Fox Hunts are a GAME.? So I try to not take it too seriously.? I make it, or I don’t.? When the hunt is over, no one dies, no one loses limbs….. no one loses any $$$$.
I don't know why you had hounds calling you simplex within minutes of the start.? I located both FOXES calling within the first minute.? Jim was to my north-east with a clear and strong signal.? You were to my northwest and weaker.? I figured your signal would build some because you had just gone into night while Jim had been in darkness a couple of hours already, so I called Jim first.? It took me about 7-minutes to get into Jim's log.? I checked the Fritz-Map to see if I got logged correctly.? With Jim’s QSO verified I slipped down to your frequency.
When I came back to your frequency, at first I thought you had moved.? There were a few hounds calling right on the frequency where I had first heard you spread out ± a few hundred Hz. ?I decided that you mush have shifted down 1-kHz while I was away working Jim.? So I checked about 1-kHz low.? No FOX.? I came back up where you had started out, and I thought I picked you out replying to a hound.? Watching the waterfall, I figured out that you were working split but there were a few calling you on your TX frequency.
I can't figure this one out, because one would think that NO HOUND would call the fox in the blind, no hound would transmit without at least hearing the fox, and no hound would deliberately call on top of the FOX.? The only thing I can imagine is that one hound didn't hear you say UP and decided that you were already simplex.? So that hound started calling on simplex, and others joined in.? I believe I picked out at least 3 call signs.? I did hear you send UP a few times - once the hounds calling you on simplex died down.?
For me, listening and watching the waterfall display are key to success.? I have to say that while I liked some of the features of the Yaesu FTdx5000MP, for the FOX HUNTS the Icom IC-7610 has really upped my game.? The IC-7610 has two completely separate receivers.? The Fox Hunts are always centered on one frequency ± 10-kHz.? So I set one receiver at -5 kHz and the other receiver at +5 kHz from that center.? Then I set the waterfall display to ± 5-kHz on each receiver.? So essentially I have two waterfall displays spanning the entire window where the FOX may be transmitting.
<image003.jpg> Maybe I am giving away one of my SECRETS here..... but it sure helps to find the FOX quickly.? If a hound is using a radio with a good waterfall display, if one watched the waterfall, one can see the FOX calling as a single pulsating spike on the waterfall, like on the far right of the right display.? One can also see a pack of HOUNDS calling as several pulsating spikes spread out to the right of the FOX spike, like the far right of the left display. Once I identify what I think is the FOX spike, I set the VFO to center that spike on the waterfall display.? Then I set the waterfall display to ±2.5-kHz, and when the FOX ceases calling, about + 1-kHz to + 2-kHz (to the right) a number of pulsating spikes will appear on the display - some of the HOUNDS calling the FOX.? If one watches the waterfall display carefully, one can even pick out which HOUND the FOX is replying to and set your TX frequency near that. Another key point….. watching where the HOUND spike appears as the FOX calls a hound will let you soon pick out if the FOX is alternating calling high and low, working slowly up or down, or just randomly picking out calls.? Knowing the FOX pattern helps to let me put my call in the place I feel the fox will likely go next. But the whole key to all of this is LISTENING (watching).? As I mentioned in an earlier post, if I can’t get in the log before the FOX goes simplex, I usually just walk away when the fox does go simplex.? There will be stations calling perfectly zero-beat to the fox, stations calling while the fox is trying to reply to someone, it makes it difficult to figure out who the fox replied to.? And it just isn’t that important to me. I could tell you were struggling to make contacts even when you picked out parts of my call.? So I doubled up on everything, and that worked.? Thank you for being a FOX sir. ? Vy73 ?– ?Mike ?– ?KD5KC – WRFF851 – ?El Paso – Texas ?– ?DM61rt. ? SOTA W5T-Texas Association Manager. ? The canyons are calling, colorful and deep. ?But I have promises to keep. And miles to go still in my Jeep...? ?And miles to go still in my Jeep... ?
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From: [email protected] <[email protected]> On Behalf Of Dan Presley via groups.io
Sent: Wednesday, February 5, 2025 22:52 PM
To: [email protected]
Subject: [qfox] Glenn -noise ? Thanks Glenn for the comments. The noise doesn’t appear to be the usual electronic hash as far as I can tell as it will come and go as a steady S-7-9 over the entire 40M band. It’s clearly not the typical spike type from switching supplies for instance. I have a rotatable loop that is designed to null out noise from a particular source and it’s not picking up anything definite. Some nights it’s S3 so definitely not consistent. Other bands are pretty quiet so will take some investigation. And I need to find a time to shut down power at my place to eliminate the possibility of something in house. No new appliances lights etc to affect anything so harder to track.? Could be power lines but in the past that’s affected numerous bands which isn’t the case here. In regards to the chaos and my signal strength,I find it interesting that apparently many operators couldn’t hear me announcing’up-up’ repeatedly to make sure they’re not camping on my xmit frequency. Either they could hear me,or not. Makes me wonder… Dan Presley 503-701-3871 danpresley@me. com N7CQR@... ? ? ? ? ?
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Here’s what I was able to scrape out from Tuesday. Again local noise was the killer.
UTC. Call. RST ST/PR name. Pwr
0200. K0DTJ. 559. CA. Brian. 5W
0202. K6PJV 559 CA Dale. 5W
0207 KR0U 559 CO Tim. 5W
0209 WC7S 559 WY Lee. 5W
0211. K6XR 559. CA Mac. 5W
0212 NK6A. 559 CA. Don 5W
0213. KD5KC 559 TX. MIKE. 5W
0219. KZ5J. 559. TX Pat. 5W
0223 AD6JV. 559 CA Bill 5W
0226 W6QPA. 559 CA Ray 5W
0234 W5AJD. 559 LA. Jerry 5W
0237 K6FA. 559. CA David 5W
0242 KK5LD 559 TX Dan 5W
0249. W6SIY 559. CA Keith 5W
0318. K0IDX. 599. ND. ?? 100W
0329. KN6IPE 559 CA. Den 5W
0330. N0UR Fox. MN Jim. 5W
0330 N7CQR Fox OR Dan 5W
Perseverance award to Den KN6IPE for hanging in until the very end . And obviously K0IDX Not part of the hunt-maybe thought it was POTA. More comments later. Thanks.
Dan Presley 503-701-3871
danpresley@me. com
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Not correct Earl. I recorded my session and I was calling for up-up until 0310Z. ?I have never gone simplex that early in a hunt for many years. It is never a good idea. Almost everyone I managed to work except the last 2 callers were up at least KHz.? Dan Presley 503-701-3871 danpresley@me. com? N7CQR@...
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On Feb 6, 2025, at 10:10, Earl Morse via groups.io <n8ss2014@...> wrote:
? People started calling simplex because the UP went away in the CQ about 20 minutes in..? It surprised me but I figured he just ran out of stations and decided to go simplex.? It soon was obvious that he couldn't hear as there were lots of folks calling simplex and up and nobody?was getting worked.? I stuck with it the whole hunt as his signals were building here and I thought there might be a chance.? ?Note to foxes: when operating? split be careful not to tune the RX VFO too low as to make it appear that you are simplex and be sure to say UP in your CQ.
I usually don't quit the hunts even if I can't hear the fox.? I dissect the band, figure out where?he is then wait.? Sometimes I get rewarded by a slight variation in propagation that makes a qso possible if only for a brief moment.? Waterfalls, spotting networks, etc are ok but I don't have access to those in the shack (mine is located in an outbuilding) and rely on my ability to dissect the band and figure out what is going on.
BTW, hounds call in the blind and there are those who don't subscribe?to the one shot-one kill concept.? (I feel guilty if I call more than once but sometimes you call early and there is a gap there that just begs to be filled with your callsign.)? As a fox, I have had stations call incessantly to the point where I had to wait 3, 4, 5, calls before they took a break so that I could go back to them.? Haven't gotten to the point where I deleted them out of the log but the thought sometimes crosses my mind.? However, I am trying for a score too so every QSO counts.??
Anyway it's a fun distraction that gets me out into the shack a couple times a week.??
Earl N8SS
SNIP I can't figure this one out, because one would think that NO HOUND would call the fox in the blind, no hound would transmit without at least hearing the fox, and no hound would deliberately call on top of the FOX.? The only thing I can imagine is that one hound didn't hear you say UP and decided that you were already simplex.? So that hound started calling on simplex, and others joined in.? I believe I picked out at least 3 call signs.? I did hear you send UP a few times - once the hounds calling you on simplex died down.?
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People started calling simplex because the UP went away in the CQ about 20 minutes in..? It surprised me but I figured he just ran out of stations and decided to go simplex.? It soon was obvious that he couldn't hear as there were lots of folks calling simplex and up and nobody?was getting worked.? I stuck with it the whole hunt as his signals were building here and I thought there might be a chance.? ?Note to foxes: when operating? split be careful not to tune the RX VFO too low as to make it appear that you are simplex and be sure to say UP in your CQ.
I usually don't quit the hunts even if I can't hear the fox.? I dissect the band, figure out where?he is then wait.? Sometimes I get rewarded by a slight variation in propagation that makes a qso possible if only for a brief moment.? Waterfalls, spotting networks, etc are ok but I don't have access to those in the shack (mine is located in an outbuilding) and rely on my ability to dissect the band and figure out what is going on.
BTW, hounds call in the blind and there are those who don't subscribe?to the one shot-one kill concept.? (I feel guilty if I call more than once but sometimes you call early and there is a gap there that just begs to be filled with your callsign.)? As a fox, I have had stations call incessantly to the point where I had to wait 3, 4, 5, calls before they took a break so that I could go back to them.? Haven't gotten to the point where I deleted them out of the log but the thought sometimes crosses my mind.? However, I am trying for a score too so every QSO counts.??
Anyway it's a fun distraction that gets me out into the shack a couple times a week.??
Earl N8SS
SNIP I can't figure this one out, because one would think that NO HOUND would call the fox in the blind, no hound would transmit without at least hearing the fox, and no hound would deliberately call on top of the FOX.? The only thing I can imagine is that one hound didn't hear you say UP and decided that you were already simplex.? So that hound started calling on simplex, and others joined in.? I believe I picked out at least 3 call signs.? I did hear you send UP a few times - once the hounds calling you on simplex died down.?
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Good morning Dan.
Fox Hunts are a GAME.? So I try to not take it too seriously.? I make it, or I don’t.? When the hunt is over, no one dies, no one loses limbs….. no one loses any $$$$.
I don't know why you had hounds calling you simplex within minutes of the start.? I located both FOXES calling within the first minute.? Jim was to my north-east with a clear and strong signal.? You were to my northwest and weaker.? I figured your signal would build some because you had just gone into night while Jim had been in darkness a couple of hours already, so I called Jim first.? It took me about 7-minutes to get into Jim's log.? I checked the Fritz-Map to see if I got logged correctly.? With Jim’s QSO verified I slipped down to your frequency.
When I came back to your frequency, at first I thought you had moved.? There were a few hounds calling right on the frequency where I had first heard you spread out ± a few hundred Hz. ?I decided that you mush have shifted down 1-kHz while I was away working Jim.? So I checked about 1-kHz low.? No FOX.? I came back up where you had started out, and I thought I picked you out replying to a hound.? Watching the waterfall, I figured out that you were working split but there were a few calling you on your TX frequency.
I can't figure this one out, because one would think that NO HOUND would call the fox in the blind, no hound would transmit without at least hearing the fox, and no hound would deliberately call on top of the FOX.? The only thing I can imagine is that one hound didn't hear you say UP and decided that you were already simplex.? So that hound started calling on simplex, and others joined in.? I believe I picked out at least 3 call signs.? I did hear you send UP a few times - once the hounds calling you on simplex died down.?
For me, listening and watching the waterfall display are key to success.? I have to say that while I liked some of the features of the Yaesu FTdx5000MP, for the FOX HUNTS the Icom IC-7610 has really upped my game.? The IC-7610 has two completely separate receivers.? The Fox Hunts are always centered on one frequency ± 10-kHz.? So I set one receiver at -5 kHz and the other receiver at +5 kHz from that center.? Then I set the waterfall display to ± 5-kHz on each receiver.? So essentially I have two waterfall displays spanning the entire window where the FOX may be transmitting.
Maybe I am giving away one of my SECRETS here..... but it sure helps to find the FOX quickly.? If a hound is using a radio with a good waterfall display, if one watched the waterfall, one can see the FOX calling as a single pulsating spike on the waterfall, like on the far right of the right display.? One can also see a pack of HOUNDS calling as several pulsating spikes spread out to the right of the FOX spike, like the far right of the left display.
Once I identify what I think is the FOX spike, I set the VFO to center that spike on the waterfall display.? Then I set the waterfall display to ±2.5-kHz, and when the FOX ceases calling, about + 1-kHz to + 2-kHz (to the right) a number of pulsating spikes will appear on the display - some of the HOUNDS calling the FOX.? If one watches the waterfall display carefully, one can even pick out which HOUND the FOX is replying to and set your TX frequency near that.
Another key point….. watching where the HOUND spike appears as the FOX calls a hound will let you soon pick out if the FOX is alternating calling high and low, working slowly up or down, or just randomly picking out calls.? Knowing the FOX pattern helps to let me put my call in the place I feel the fox will likely go next.
But the whole key to all of this is LISTENING (watching).? As I mentioned in an earlier post, if I can’t get in the log before the FOX goes simplex, I usually just walk away when the fox does go simplex.? There will be stations calling perfectly zero-beat to the fox, stations calling while the fox is trying to reply to someone, it makes it difficult to figure out who the fox replied to.? And it just isn’t that important to me.
I could tell you were struggling to make contacts even when you picked out parts of my call.? So I doubled up on everything, and that worked.? Thank you for being a FOX sir.
? Vy73 ?– ?Mike ?– ?KD5KC – WRFF851 – ?El Paso – Texas ?– ?DM61rt. ? SOTA W5T-Texas Association Manager. ? The canyons are calling, colorful and deep. ?But I have promises to keep. And miles to go still in my Jeep...? ?And miles to go still in my Jeep... ? 
? ADVENTURE: ?The respectful pursuit of trouble.? ? An EXIT is really an ENTRANCE to someplace new. ? It isn’t an ADVENTURE until something goes wrong! ? ? ? ?
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From: [email protected] <[email protected]> On Behalf Of Dan Presley via groups.io
Sent: Wednesday, February 5, 2025 22:52 PM
To: [email protected]
Subject: [qfox] Glenn -noise ? Thanks Glenn for the comments. The noise doesn’t appear to be the usual electronic hash as far as I can tell as it will come and go as a steady S-7-9 over the entire 40M band. It’s clearly not the typical spike type from switching supplies for instance. I have a rotatable loop that is designed to null out noise from a particular source and it’s not picking up anything definite. Some nights it’s S3 so definitely not consistent. Other bands are pretty quiet so will take some investigation. And I need to find a time to shut down power at my place to eliminate the possibility of something in house. No new appliances lights etc to affect anything so harder to track.? Could be power lines but in the past that’s affected numerous bands which isn’t the case here. In regards to the chaos and my signal strength,I find it interesting that apparently many operators couldn’t hear me announcing’up-up’ repeatedly to make sure they’re not camping on my xmit frequency. Either they could hear me,or not. Makes me wonder… Dan Presley 503-701-3871 danpresley@me. com N7CQR@... ? ? ? ? ?
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One last comment. Tonight slightly later my noise level was between S3-5 which although not great is typical.And I could easily copy my usual propagation beacon-the Russian naval beacon from Vladivostok on 7039.3.This sends ‘K’ constantly and has been on the air for at least 40 plus years since the Soviet era. I’m sure results would have been better.
Dan Presley 503-701-3871
danpresley@me. com
N7CQR@...
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Thanks Glenn for the comments. The noise doesn’t appear to be the usual electronic hash as far as I can tell as it will come and go as a steady S-7-9 over the entire 40M band. It’s clearly not the typical spike type from switching supplies for instance. I have a rotatable loop that is designed to null out noise from a particular source and it’s not picking up anything definite. Some nights it’s S3 so definitely not consistent. Other bands are pretty quiet so will take some investigation. And I need to find a time to shut down power at my place to eliminate the possibility of something in house. No new appliances lights etc to affect anything so harder to track. Could be power lines but in the past that’s affected numerous bands which isn’t the case here.
In regards to the chaos and my signal strength,I find it interesting that apparently many operators couldn’t hear me announcing’up-up’ repeatedly to make sure they’re not camping on my xmit frequency. Either they could hear me,or not. Makes me wonder…
Dan Presley 503-701-3871
danpresley@me. com
N7CQR@...
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Meager log will be posted tomorrow. Busy with grandkids today.
Dan Presley 503-701-3871
danpresley@me. com
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80M Fox Announcement tomorrow N0UR....again!
I think Cathy covered everything very well. I'll be using my IC 7300 to a wire vertical with 3 elevated radials. Let's have another good hunt. Good luck, have fun!
Jim N0UR
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80M Fox Announcement Feb 7 UTC/Feb 6 EST
I am happy to announce that I will be one of the 80m QRP “Foxii” tomorrow (Thursday night), calling CQ from Middle TN, along with Jim, N0UR who will be hiding in the 80M woods in MN.
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Hunt for us in the TN woods (3.550 - 3.570 MHz) from: 9:00 – 10:30 PM EDT. I’ll be running my FT 991A at 5w to my G5RV, up 35 feet.?
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I’ll start out split, calling “CQ Fox de W4CMG UP.” If and when the pack thins out, I'll switch to simplex, “CQ Fox de W4CMG” I will repeat your call at the end of my exchange, so please correct me if I miss something in the QSB. Technology willing, I will be sending to the "Fritz Map", so if you don't see your call after we have worked, please feel free to find me again for an insurance QSO.?
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Hope to hear you on 80M!??
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72 de Cathy, W4CMG
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Dan, what seems to be the type/source of the noise? You've mentioned 'noise' as a problem in previous hunts so what's needed to cure the 'noise'? Pretty sure you can get lots of ideas from the group if the type/source of noise is identified.
Yes, last evening was total chaos. Your sigs were 539 to579 here in NW TN so should have been easy peasy.?
73 de n4mj//glenn
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On Wednesday, February 5, 2025 at 12:59:20 PM CST, Dan Presley via groups.io <n7cqr@...> wrote:
Take note guys-for the first 70 minutes of the hunt I sent ‘up’ as part of my CQ fox message. It was only after very little success that I reverted to simplex. And-even when that happens the smart callers still spread out a bit. I’ve been a fox since 1994 so not my first rodeo…it was plain and simple the high noise issues I had that created the problem-not my operating technique.? Dan Presley 503-701-3871 danpresley@me. com? N7CQR@...
On Feb 5, 2025, at 10:20, MILT k4oso via groups.io <k4oso@...> wrote:
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It might not rise to the “life or death” level but Hound or Fox…all can benefit and learn from feedback.? On Feb 5, 2025, at 1:08?PM, Mike Olbrisch <mike-2025@...> wrote:
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Mostly I agree.? This is JMHO…….? IF - I have not gotten a FOX when they are split – when they go simplex I usually walk away.? It is too difficult to pick out who the FOX is calling when 6 hounds are still calling-calling-calling right on top the FOX.? But then, this is just a game, not an obsession.? At least not to me anyway.? If I miss a FOX, I’ll still get to sleep in my bed that night and the sun will still rise in the East tomorrow.
Somebody said you need to hear them if you want to work them.? It is what it is. ? ? Vy73 ?– ?Mike ?– ?KD5KC – WRFF851 – ?El Paso – Texas ?– ?DM61rt. ? SOTA W5T-Texas Association Manager. ? The canyons are calling, colorful and deep. ?But I have promises to keep. And miles to go still in my Jeep...? ?And miles to go still in my Jeep... ? <image003.jpg> ? ADVENTURE: ?The respectful pursuit of trouble.? ? An EXIT is really an ENTRANCE to someplace new. ? It isn’t an ADVENTURE until something goes wrong! ? ? ? ? ? My thoughts, Certainly?there would have been more Qs had Dan sent up OR down...? My problem was that many were trying to Zero beat Dan's frequency and I couldn't tell if I was being answered or not.? I'm sure?many others were thinking the same.? ?If Dan or any other fox sends a short CQ and the hounds?are right on top of the fox sending their call 2 or 3 times there is no way anyone knows if they are being answered. Please think before you embarrass?yourself by putting your call on the air where it's not wanted.? ? On Tue, Feb 4, 2025 at 10:49?PM Mike Olbrisch via <mike-2025=att.net@groupsio> wrote: After reading all of this, I feel fortunate that I made it in at all.? I could tell Dan was struggling with my call, so I repeated each element twice at about 23-WPM and when done he sent RR.? Later I saw his request for stations to QRS…. But by this time I believed he had me correct in the log.? Dan wasn’t posting to the Fritz-Map, so I’ll have to wait to see if I should have made an insurance contact or if it all came through.
It was a good night for 40m in Far West Texas.? I have some improvements to my antennas in mind, perhaps it will help.? Monoband close-coupled dipole just for 80m, then a fan dipole for 60m – 40m – 30m. ? Vy73 - Mike - KD5KC. El Paso, Texas - DM61rt. SOTA W5T-Texas Association Manager. ? ? ? ? Dan, you were heard here in Parker, CO. at 559 or better throughout the entire hunt.? You may not have been able to hear us, but there was a huge pack of hounds chasing you throughout the night.? Conditions just were not good at your end.? Thanks for sticking in there until the bitter end.? Being in Colorado I had no trouble hearing not only you, but callers all the way out to the east coast.? A very strange night. On Tuesday, February 4, 2025 at 08:13:27 PM MST, Dan Presley via <n7cqr@...> wrote: I was split for almost an hour with not hardly any success-so simplex was my only. Still calling…. ? A cacophony of noise with everyone hammering on simplex.. no "up"?? when there were more than enough caller to warrant split. More like a DXpedition.? Not fun But thank you for being a fox
-- Milt K4OSO
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Take note guys-for the first 70 minutes of the hunt I sent ‘up’ as part of my CQ fox message. It was only after very little success that I reverted to simplex. And-even when that happens the smart callers still spread out a bit. I’ve been a fox since 1994 so not my first rodeo…it was plain and simple the high noise issues I had that created the problem-not my operating technique.? Dan Presley 503-701-3871 danpresley@me. com? N7CQR@...
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On Feb 5, 2025, at 10:20, MILT k4oso via groups.io <k4oso@...> wrote:
? It might not rise to the “life or death” level but Hound or Fox…all can benefit and learn from feedback.? On Feb 5, 2025, at 1:08?PM, Mike Olbrisch <mike-2025@...> wrote:
? Mostly I agree.? This is JMHO…….? IF - I have not gotten a FOX when they are split – when they go simplex I usually walk away.? It is too difficult to pick out who the FOX is calling when 6 hounds are still calling-calling-calling right on top the FOX.? But then, this is just a game, not an obsession.? At least not to me anyway.? If I miss a FOX, I’ll still get to sleep in my bed that night and the sun will still rise in the East tomorrow.
Somebody said you need to hear them if you want to work them.? It is what it is. ? ? Vy73 ?– ?Mike ?– ?KD5KC – WRFF851 – ?El Paso – Texas ?– ?DM61rt. ? SOTA W5T-Texas Association Manager. ? The canyons are calling, colorful and deep. ?But I have promises to keep. And miles to go still in my Jeep...? ?And miles to go still in my Jeep... ? <image003.jpg> ? ADVENTURE: ?The respectful pursuit of trouble.? ? An EXIT is really an ENTRANCE to someplace new. ? It isn’t an ADVENTURE until something goes wrong! ? ? ? ? ? My thoughts, Certainly?there would have been more Qs had Dan sent up OR down...? My problem was that many were trying to Zero beat Dan's frequency and I couldn't tell if I was being answered or not.? I'm sure?many others were thinking the same.? ?If Dan or any other fox sends a short CQ and the hounds?are right on top of the fox sending their call 2 or 3 times there is no way anyone knows if they are being answered. Please think before you embarrass?yourself by putting your call on the air where it's not wanted.? ? On Tue, Feb 4, 2025 at 10:49?PM Mike Olbrisch via <mike-2025=att.net@groupsio> wrote: After reading all of this, I feel fortunate that I made it in at all.? I could tell Dan was struggling with my call, so I repeated each element twice at about 23-WPM and when done he sent RR.? Later I saw his request for stations to QRS…. But by this time I believed he had me correct in the log.? Dan wasn’t posting to the Fritz-Map, so I’ll have to wait to see if I should have made an insurance contact or if it all came through.
It was a good night for 40m in Far West Texas.? I have some improvements to my antennas in mind, perhaps it will help.? Monoband close-coupled dipole just for 80m, then a fan dipole for 60m – 40m – 30m. ? Vy73 - Mike - KD5KC. El Paso, Texas - DM61rt. SOTA W5T-Texas Association Manager. ? ? ? ? Dan, you were heard here in Parker, CO. at 559 or better throughout the entire hunt.? You may not have been able to hear us, but there was a huge pack of hounds chasing you throughout the night.? Conditions just were not good at your end.? Thanks for sticking in there until the bitter end.? Being in Colorado I had no trouble hearing not only you, but callers all the way out to the east coast.? A very strange night. On Tuesday, February 4, 2025 at 08:13:27 PM MST, Dan Presley via <n7cqr@...> wrote: I was split for almost an hour with not hardly any success-so simplex was my only. Still calling…. ? A cacophony of noise with everyone hammering on simplex.. no "up"?? when there were more than enough caller to warrant split. More like a DXpedition.? Not fun But thank you for being a fox
-- Milt K4OSO
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On Feb 5, 2025, at 1:08?PM, Mike Olbrisch <mike-2025@...> wrote:
? Mostly I agree.? This is JMHO…….? IF - I have not gotten a FOX when they are split – when they go simplex I usually walk away.? It is too difficult to pick out who the FOX is calling when 6 hounds are still calling-calling-calling right on top the FOX.? But then, this is just a game, not an obsession.? At least not to me anyway.? If I miss a FOX, I’ll still get to sleep in my bed that night and the sun will still rise in the East tomorrow.
Somebody said you need to hear them if you want to work them.? It is what it is. ? ? Vy73 ?– ?Mike ?– ?KD5KC – WRFF851 – ?El Paso – Texas ?– ?DM61rt. ? SOTA W5T-Texas Association Manager. ? The canyons are calling, colorful and deep. ?But I have promises to keep. And miles to go still in my Jeep...? ?And miles to go still in my Jeep... ? 
? ADVENTURE: ?The respectful pursuit of trouble.? ? An EXIT is really an ENTRANCE to someplace new. ? It isn’t an ADVENTURE until something goes wrong! ? ? ? ? ? My thoughts, Certainly?there would have been more Qs had Dan sent up OR down...? My problem was that many were trying to Zero beat Dan's frequency and I couldn't tell if I was being answered or not.? I'm sure?many others were thinking the same.? ?If Dan or any other fox sends a short CQ and the hounds?are right on top of the fox sending their call 2 or 3 times there is no way anyone knows if they are being answered. Please think before you embarrass?yourself by putting your call on the air where it's not wanted.? ? On Tue, Feb 4, 2025 at 10:49?PM Mike Olbrisch via <mike-2025=att.net@groupsio> wrote: After reading all of this, I feel fortunate that I made it in at all.? I could tell Dan was struggling with my call, so I repeated each element twice at about 23-WPM and when done he sent RR.? Later I saw his request for stations to QRS…. But by this time I believed he had me correct in the log.? Dan wasn’t posting to the Fritz-Map, so I’ll have to wait to see if I should have made an insurance contact or if it all came through.
It was a good night for 40m in Far West Texas.? I have some improvements to my antennas in mind, perhaps it will help.? Monoband close-coupled dipole just for 80m, then a fan dipole for 60m – 40m – 30m. ? Vy73 - Mike - KD5KC. El Paso, Texas - DM61rt. SOTA W5T-Texas Association Manager. ? ? ? ? Dan, you were heard here in Parker, CO. at 559 or better throughout the entire hunt.? You may not have been able to hear us, but there was a huge pack of hounds chasing you throughout the night.? Conditions just were not good at your end.? Thanks for sticking in there until the bitter end.? Being in Colorado I had no trouble hearing not only you, but callers all the way out to the east coast.? A very strange night. On Tuesday, February 4, 2025 at 08:13:27 PM MST, Dan Presley via <n7cqr@...> wrote: I was split for almost an hour with not hardly any success-so simplex was my only. Still calling…. ? A cacophony of noise with everyone hammering on simplex.. no "up"?? when there were more than enough caller to warrant split. More like a DXpedition.? Not fun But thank you for being a fox
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Mostly I agree.? This is JMHO…….? IF - I have not gotten a FOX when they are split – when they go simplex I usually walk away.? It is too difficult to pick out who the FOX is calling when 6 hounds are still calling-calling-calling right on top the FOX.? But then, this is just a game, not an obsession.? At least not to me anyway.? If I miss a FOX, I’ll still get to sleep in my bed that night and the sun will still rise in the East tomorrow.
Somebody said you need to hear them if you want to work them.? It is what it is. ? ? Vy73 ?– ?Mike ?– ?KD5KC – WRFF851 – ?El Paso – Texas ?– ?DM61rt. ? SOTA W5T-Texas Association Manager. ? The canyons are calling, colorful and deep. ?But I have promises to keep. And miles to go still in my Jeep...? ?And miles to go still in my Jeep... ? 
? ADVENTURE: ?The respectful pursuit of trouble.? ? An EXIT is really an ENTRANCE to someplace new. ? It isn’t an ADVENTURE until something goes wrong! ? ? ? ?
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From: [email protected] <[email protected]> On Behalf Of Phil via groups.io
Sent: Wednesday, February 5, 2025 10:32 AM
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: [qfox] Tonight? My thoughts, Certainly?there would have been more Qs had Dan sent up OR down...? My problem was that many were trying to Zero beat Dan's frequency and I couldn't tell if I was being answered or not.? I'm sure?many others were thinking the same.? ?If Dan or any other fox sends a short CQ and the hounds?are right on top of the fox sending their call 2 or 3 times there is no way anyone knows if they are being answered. Please think before you embarrass?yourself by putting your call on the air where it's not wanted.? ? On Tue, Feb 4, 2025 at 10:49?PM Mike Olbrisch via <mike-2025=att.net@groupsio> wrote: After reading all of this, I feel fortunate that I made it in at all.? I could tell Dan was struggling with my call, so I repeated each element twice at about 23-WPM and when done he sent RR.? Later I saw his request for stations to QRS…. But by this time I believed he had me correct in the log.? Dan wasn’t posting to the Fritz-Map, so I’ll have to wait to see if I should have made an insurance contact or if it all came through.
It was a good night for 40m in Far West Texas.? I have some improvements to my antennas in mind, perhaps it will help.? Monoband close-coupled dipole just for 80m, then a fan dipole for 60m – 40m – 30m. ? Vy73 - Mike - KD5KC. El Paso, Texas - DM61rt. SOTA W5T-Texas Association Manager. ? ? ? ? Dan, you were heard here in Parker, CO. at 559 or better throughout the entire hunt.? You may not have been able to hear us, but there was a huge pack of hounds chasing you throughout the night.? Conditions just were not good at your end.? Thanks for sticking in there until the bitter end.? Being in Colorado I had no trouble hearing not only you, but callers all the way out to the east coast.? A very strange night. On Tuesday, February 4, 2025 at 08:13:27 PM MST, Dan Presley via <n7cqr@...> wrote: I was split for almost an hour with not hardly any success-so simplex was my only. Still calling…. ? A cacophony of noise with everyone hammering on simplex.. no "up"?? when there were more than enough caller to warrant split. More like a DXpedition.? Not fun But thank you for being a fox
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Certainly?there would have been more Qs had Dan sent up OR down...? My problem was that many were trying to Zero beat Dan's frequency and I couldn't tell if I was being answered or not.? I'm sure?many others were thinking the same.? ?If Dan or any other fox sends a short CQ and the hounds?are right on top of the fox sending their call 2 or 3 times there is no way anyone knows if they are being answered. Please think before you embarrass?yourself by putting your call on the air where it's not wanted.?
On Tue, Feb 4, 2025 at 10:49?PM Mike Olbrisch via <mike-2025= [email protected]> wrote: After reading all of this, I feel fortunate that I made it in at all.? I could tell Dan was struggling with my call, so I repeated each element twice at about 23-WPM and when done he sent RR.? Later I saw his request for stations to QRS…. But by this time I believed he had me correct in the log.? Dan wasn’t posting to the Fritz-Map, so I’ll have to wait to see if I should have made an insurance contact or if it all came through.
It was a good night for 40m in Far West Texas.? I have some improvements to my antennas in mind, perhaps it will help.? Monoband close-coupled dipole just for 80m, then a fan dipole for 60m – 40m – 30m.
? Vy73 - Mike - KD5KC. El Paso, Texas - DM61rt. SOTA W5T-Texas Association Manager. ? ? ? ? Dan, you were heard here in Parker, CO. at 559 or better throughout the entire hunt.? You may not have been able to hear us, but there was a huge pack of hounds chasing you throughout the night.? Conditions just were not good at your end.? Thanks for sticking in there until the bitter end.? Being in Colorado I had no trouble hearing not only you, but callers all the way out to the east coast.? A very strange night. On Tuesday, February 4, 2025 at 08:13:27 PM MST, Dan Presley via <n7cqr@...> wrote: I was split for almost an hour with not hardly any success-so simplex was my only. Still calling…. ? A cacophony of noise with everyone hammering on simplex.. no "up"?? when there were more than enough caller to warrant split. More like a DXpedition.? Not fun But thank you for being a fox
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Re: Raw 40 meter fox log N0UR
Jim,
Thanks for working me.? Good signal in North Texas.
Mike Dooley N5BGZ
On Tuesday, February 4, 2025 at 09:32:44 PM CST, Jim Lageson via groups.io <jim.lageson@...> wrote:
Time Call RSTRcvd QTH Name Pwr
0200 K0LOA 559 TX DWAIN 5W
0201 K9CW 599 IL DREW 5W
0201 WX2S 559 NJ STEVE 5W
0202 N4MJ 599 TN GLENN 5W
0202 WB5BKL 559 TX NICK 5W
0203 NO2D 559 CO PETER 5W
0205 N8SS 589 MI EARL 5W
0205 W9OD 559 WI CRAIG 5W
0206 WB9HFK 559 IL MARK 5W
0206 NK9G 559 WI RICK 5W
0207 KD5KC 559 TX MIKE 5W
0208 K4PQC 559 GA PHIL 5W
0208 K4BAI 569 GA JOHN 5W
0209 K7IOL 559 TX JIM 5W
0210 N2RK 599 NY JACK 5W
0210 WB8QZM 559 TX BRIAN 5W
0211 N9NE 559 WI TODD 5W
0213 KZ5J 559 TX PAT 5W
0213 NN4K 559 GA MAC 5W
0214 WC7S 599 WY DALE 5W
0215 WD4CFN 559 TN STEVE 5W
0215 W4CMG 559 TN CATHY 5W
0216 N3VO 559 MD MARC 5W
0216 NX1K 559 MA MARK 5W
0217 WA4ZOF 559 GA TOM 5W
0218 W1GL 579 CT TED 5W
0218 KK4BNC 559 GA RANDY 5W
0219 W5AJD 559 LA JERRY 5W
0220 ND4U 579 TN DEN 5W
0221 W2SH 559 NJ CHAS 5W
0221 NC4RT 559 NC RANDY 5W
0222 AC0BQ 579 KS JOHN 5W
0224 N5KIP 559 TX DICK 5W
0224 K3PH 559 PA BOB 5W
0225 W1FMR 559 FL JIM 5W
0226 KB5FCF 559 OK JOEL 4W
0226 K6FA 559 CA DAVID 5W
0227 KK5LD 599 TX DAN 5W
0228 N9FZ 559 GA CAINAN 5W
0230 K6PJV 559 CA DALE 5W
0230 N2TNN 559 VA DEAN 5W
0231 AL7V 559 OK SAM 5W
0232 KF2P 559 NY NICK 5W
0232 K0DTJ 559 CA BRIAN 5W
0233 NK6A 559 CA DON 5W
0234 K2SJB 559 NY DAVE 5W
0234 KC1FB 559 CT JIM 5W
0235 AK3X 559 MD PETER 5W
0236 K6XR 559 CA MAC 5W
0237 N5BGZ 559 TX MIKE 5W
0238 N9WKE 559 IL BRUCE 5W
0238 K8LBQ 559 GA BAIN 5W
0239 N0YJ 559 KS BERT 5W
0242 W6QPA 559 CA RAY 5W
0244 AK1P 559 FL PAUL 5W
0245 VE3NFK 599 ON JOHN 2W
0245 K5KJ 599 TX SAM 5W
0254 KV2X 559 NY TOM 5W
0254 N1IX 559 NH DAVE 5W
0255 KG5UK 559 OK BRAD 5W
0256 K9DRP 559 IL DON 5W
0258 KI0RB 559 CO VINCE 5W
0301 KT0AA 449 MO TONY 5W
0313 WB7S 559 WY JERRY 5W
0316 NK3H 559 AZ MITCH 5W
0320 AB0CD 559 CO DICK 5W
0327 KR0U 559 CO TIM 100MW
330 FOX N7CQR OR DAN 5W
330 FOX N0UR MN JIM 5W
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Sorry for the frustration for everyone tonight. I’m sure things were chaotic because I simply couldn’t hear hardly anything,and thus I couldn’t manage the pileup. I’ll try to have a different situation for my next run. Sometimes you eat the bear-sometimes it eats you….at least I know my signal was radiating!? Dan Presley 503-701-3871 danpresley@me. com? N7CQR@...
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On Feb 4, 2025, at 19:51, Dan Presley via groups.io <N7CQR@...> wrote:
? I checked a friend’s remote station about 10 miles away and his noise level was about 4 S units lower than,so something has changed in my local environment/neighborhood. It’s typically pretty quiet S3-5 not bad for a city area. Maybe next time…. Dan Presley 503-701-3871 danpresley@me. com? N7CQR@...
On Feb 4, 2025, at 19:37, Dan Presley via groups.io <N7CQR@...> wrote:
? Okay clearly local noise issues. Sorry folks.? Dan Presley 503-701-3871 danpresley@me. com? N7CQR@...
On Feb 4, 2025, at 19:20, Dean, N2TNN via groups.io <N2tnn@...> wrote:
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I hear you in VA and 10 other stations
Perhaps some sort of flare-there are zero signals on the entire band?
Dan Presley 503-701-3871
danpresley@me. com?
N7CQR@...
On Feb 4, 2025, at 19:13, Dan Presley via groups.io <N7CQR@...> wrote:
?I was split for almost an hour with not hardly any success-so simplex was my only. Still calling….
Dan Presley 503-701-3871
danpresley@me. com?
N7CQR@...
On Feb 4, 2025, at 19:03, John via groups.io <john.turgoose@...> wrote:
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Very unfortunate Dan
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A cacophony of noise with everyone hammering on simplex.. no "up"?? when there were more than enough caller to warrant split.
More like a DXpedition.? Not fun
But thank you for being a fox
72 John VE3NFK
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I checked a friend’s remote station about 10 miles away and his noise level was about 4 S units lower than,so something has changed in my local environment/neighborhood. It’s typically pretty quiet S3-5 not bad for a city area. Maybe next time…. Dan Presley 503-701-3871 danpresley@me. com? N7CQR@...
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On Feb 4, 2025, at 19:37, Dan Presley via groups.io <N7CQR@...> wrote:
? Okay clearly local noise issues. Sorry folks.? Dan Presley 503-701-3871 danpresley@me. com? N7CQR@...
On Feb 4, 2025, at 19:20, Dean, N2TNN via groups.io <N2tnn@...> wrote:
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I hear you in VA and 10 other stations
Perhaps some sort of flare-there are zero signals on the entire band?
Dan Presley 503-701-3871
danpresley@me. com?
N7CQR@...
On Feb 4, 2025, at 19:13, Dan Presley via groups.io <N7CQR@...> wrote:
?I was split for almost an hour with not hardly any success-so simplex was my only. Still calling….
Dan Presley 503-701-3871
danpresley@me. com?
N7CQR@...
On Feb 4, 2025, at 19:03, John via groups.io <john.turgoose@...> wrote:
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Very unfortunate Dan
?
A cacophony of noise with everyone hammering on simplex.. no "up"?? when there were more than enough caller to warrant split.
More like a DXpedition.? Not fun
But thank you for being a fox
72 John VE3NFK
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After reading all of this, I feel fortunate that I made it in at all.? I could tell Dan was struggling with my call, so I repeated each element twice at about 23-WPM and when done he sent RR.? Later I saw his request for stations to QRS…. But by this time I believed he had me correct in the log.? Dan wasn’t posting to the Fritz-Map, so I’ll have to wait to see if I should have made an insurance contact or if it all came through.
It was a good night for 40m in Far West Texas.? I have some improvements to my antennas in mind, perhaps it will help.? Monoband close-coupled dipole just for 80m, then a fan dipole for 60m – 40m – 30m.
? Vy73 - Mike - KD5KC. El Paso, Texas - DM61rt. SOTA W5T-Texas Association Manager. ? ? ?
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From: [email protected] <[email protected]> On Behalf Of Peter Inskeep via groups.io
Sent: Tuesday, February 4, 2025 20:35 PM
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: [qfox] Tonight? Dan, you were heard here in Parker, CO. at 559 or better throughout the entire hunt.? You may not have been able to hear us, but there was a huge pack of hounds chasing you throughout the night.? Conditions just were not good at your end.? Thanks for sticking in there until the bitter end.? Being in Colorado I had no trouble hearing not only you, but callers all the way out to the east coast.? A very strange night. On Tuesday, February 4, 2025 at 08:13:27 PM MST, Dan Presley via groups.io <n7cqr@...> wrote: I was split for almost an hour with not hardly any success-so simplex was my only. Still calling…. ? A cacophony of noise with everyone hammering on simplex.. no "up"?? when there were more than enough caller to warrant split. More like a DXpedition.? Not fun But thank you for being a fox
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Re: Raw 40 meter fox log N0UR
WOW!? What a great run Jim.? Looks perfect on my end, and seeing the nice red dot appear as an instant confirmation was especially nice.?? Thanks for being there.
? ? Vy73 - Mike - KD5KC. El Paso, Texas - DM61rt. SOTA W5T-Texas Association Manager. ? ? ? ? ?
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