Re: Packet radio contact protocol and etiquette question
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Is how my modem is currently configured, 1700 freq (in soundmodem) for 300baud which is what everyone is using, and 600baud at 1225Hz freq as a test.
There's also this nice FX25 config/mode (see the bottom options) that adds more error correction to our packets.
I don't think there are any compatibility issues, and so should be good too enable. It apparently slows down the baudrate a bit with the redundancy, but not like that matters unless you have a perfect link and a very long message/packet.
TXDelay / TXTail and RX shift depend on your radio. Any modern/more or less digital radio shouldn't have long switching times for PTT / USB-In/Vox so I reduced those to lower the latency a bit on good connections?
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Re: Packet radio contact protocol and etiquette question
Also, when you get set up, you can set your Beacon which basically works as a CQ + Ident (for me in VP9 and I think USA too, 10 minute intervals for identifying during active operations?) plus station info in EasyTerm if that's how you are connecting it. Something to maybe also think about is? /g/network105/topic/104462705?? Where to possibly help with congestion / utilize the higher speed 'normal' packet modes to have dual modems in Soundmodem on specific frequency offsets I'll be monitoring on 14.105 for any parties that can hear me, leave a message or connect to say Hello if you can :)
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Re: High-Baud 'Channels' for Network 40, 30, 105?
Hi Rich,
Good to hear you're RXing my messages, I'm turning the station back on for hopefully most of this week, 14.105LSB during the day, and sunset (EST) over to 7.104LSB :)
Leave a message on my Mailbox SSID if you can hear me again, and 600baud monitor should still be working to ping too
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Re: Packet radio contact protocol and etiquette question
It would help to find you unpack it if we knew the call sign notes posted should always have a call sign. It makes it much easier. DE WH6ANH? Sent from Carl WH6ANH iPhone
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On Feb 26, 2024, at 07:40, Tim Kaminski via groups.io <kaminsti@...> wrote:
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On Monday, February 26, 2024 at 05:19:48 AM PST, Bradley, KC1JMH <bradbrownjr@...> wrote:
I watch for beacons and reach out to them or their BBS SSID and leave a message.
Thank you, --Brad Brown Jr.
I have the UZ7HO package installed and I've been listening and watching for a few hours. What is the protocol to make a contact? Is there a protocol? There's no "CQ" so do I just grab a call sign from the Mheard list and click connect (belly up to the keg a draw a draft and get in someone's face) to start a conversation or do I need to find willing participants to learn how to fully use packet?
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Re: Packet radio contact protocol and etiquette question
On Monday, February 26, 2024 at 05:19:48 AM PST, Bradley, KC1JMH <bradbrownjr@...> wrote:
I watch for beacons and reach out to them or their BBS SSID and leave a message.
Thank you, --Brad Brown Jr.
I have the UZ7HO package installed and I've been listening and watching for a few hours. What is the protocol to make a contact? Is there a protocol? There's no "CQ" so do I just grab a call sign from the Mheard list and click connect (belly up to the keg a draw a draft and get in someone's face) to start a conversation or do I need to find willing participants to learn how to fully use packet?
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Re: Packet radio contact protocol and etiquette question
I watch for beacons and reach out to them or their BBS SSID and leave a message.
Thank you, --Brad Brown Jr.
I have the UZ7HO package installed and I've been listening and watching for a few hours. What is the protocol to make a contact? Is there a protocol? There's no "CQ" so do I just grab a call sign from the Mheard list and click connect (belly up to the keg a draw a draft and get in someone's face) to start a conversation or do I need to find willing participants to learn how to fully use packet?
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Packet radio contact protocol and etiquette question
I have the UZ7HO package installed and I've been listening and watching for a few hours. What is the protocol to make a contact? Is there a protocol? There's no "CQ" so do I just grab a call sign from the Mheard list and click connect (belly up to the keg a draw a draft and get in someone's face) to start a conversation or do I need to find willing participants to learn how to fully use packet?
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Re: AEA Packrat 232 with mailbox for sale
Packratt is not needed as there are too many other terminal programs that work as well if not better. ? ? ? Joseph D. Yuna
Joseph D. Yuna (LCDR USN/ret.) 1684 Pierce Drive Beavercreek, OH 45432-2429 United States of America Primary:? +617.943.2635 W4JDY1953@... ?
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Subject: Re: [network105] AEA Packrat 232 with mailbox for sale? No...They wanted another $75 for that so I did not get it. My rig has sound card. ------ Original Message ------ From "HB K4HYJ via groups.io" <hbjr@...> Date 2/21/2024 12:56:54 PM Subject Re: [network105] AEA Packrat 232 with mailbox for sale Does it have the DSP upgrade and soundcard? ? ----- Original Message -----
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Date: 02/21/24 12:03
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Subject: [network105] AEA Packrat 232 with mailbox for sale ? I have a?AEA Packrat 232 with mailbox for sale. The Packrat has all the upgrades done on it except the USB port. All the upgrades were done in 2023 at the manufacture. It has the latest firmware for the model. It cost me around $270 for the upgrades. The box looks very good. I am selling it becouse I like a Kamtronics TNC better. I am asking $200 plus shipping. The AEA works like it new. Will take paypal?payment.
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Re: AEA Packrat 232 with mailbox for sale
I have two PSK-232 modems, one fully operational with cables and the other with all options inc. DSP (but the left control pot is removed as it failed months ago). ? I will ship both to whom ever offers $100 and S&H to your doorstep. ? ? Joseph D. Yuna
Joseph D. Yuna (LCDR USN/ret.) 1684 Pierce Drive Beavercreek, OH 45432-2429 United States of America Primary:? +617.943.2635 W4JDY1953@... ?
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Subject: Re: [network105] AEA Packrat 232 with mailbox for sale? Does it have the DSP upgrade and soundcard? ? ----- Original Message -----
From: KY4JW (ky4jwextra@...)
Date: 02/21/24 12:03
To: [email protected]
Subject: [network105] AEA Packrat 232 with mailbox for sale ? I have a?AEA Packrat 232 with mailbox for sale. The Packrat has all the upgrades done on it except the USB port. All the upgrades were done in 2023 at the manufacture. It has the latest firmware for the model. It cost me around $270 for the upgrades. The box looks very good. I am selling it becouse I like a Kamtronics TNC better. I am asking $200 plus shipping. The AEA works like it new. Will take paypal?payment.
ky4kw
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Re: High-Baud 'Channels' for Network 40, 30, 105?
I have to of the SCS modems, and the performance and price are both high. ? You get what you pay for. ? Joseph D. Yuna
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From: [email protected] <[email protected]> On Behalf Of Chris Lance WW2BSA
Sent: Tuesday, 20 February, 2024 03:56
To: [email protected]; VP9NO Dom <sunday.weaver@...>
Subject: Re: [network105] High-Baud 'Channels' for Network 40, 30, 105?? Well, my comments on hardware. In the pre-internet days, or as I call it, the pre-Packet Apocalyse Era, when packet was thriving in the 1980's, Terminal Node Controllers ruled the planet! The internet came and packet usage declined. Then the hobby gave birth to a new breed of young digital amateur radio operators who didn't know what DOS, Win95 and XP was - no less use it. These operators are Linux and Sound Cards gurus, creating new digital modes. Packet interest began to rise - but had many children and grandchildren on the bands too! LOL The bands have become filled with digital signals of all sorts. So many modes, so many choices, so many ways to operate digitally.? I love the progress made over the decades, but alas, I am still old school. I still play with PK-232/900, PacComm, MFJ and Kantronics TNCs. The KPC-3+ which is still very much in production, has a nice feature or HF packet.?If you set to SOFTWARE, the firmware inside the TNC will detect the presence of data to?enable the carrier detection, allowing operation with un-squelched audio.
Pactor has evolved into Pactor 3 and 4. But I think 4 uses encryption which is a no-no for hams. While those TNCs will do Robust Packet, the hardware is VERY expensive.? Plus, they are proprietary, which I don't like. They are made/created by SCS. Their . There seems to be a cheaper workaround but I am still investigating. There is a Groups.io RPR?/g/robustpacket/ that I think you will find interesting. As a USER my technical background is limited so I can not give you data, but it is my understanding that RPR is very reliable on HF.
I never heard of FreeDATA but I believe I found the and will have to read it further.? I agree regarding standardization of mode. I read somewhere that the following conventions should be followed on HF: Soundcard digital modes = USB. However, Clover, RTTY, PACKET, AMTOR and PACTOR = LSB. Network105 is suppose to be LSB all the time. I think there was a thread here years ago that indicated that if one had a radio not capable of LSB, you could use USB by using a different dials frequency. The bottom line is: use LSB on HF packet. I would like to try 600 baud with you. Alas, I am not retired, have a wife and run several companies. Despite this, my wife loves amateur radio, is studying for her exam and supports my hobby. (Every ham should have a woman like this!) Let me set up things here and then work on details with you on how to proceed. Maybe we can start a new thread in case others want to join in this experiment. It's 3:50 AM Eastern...I have to get to sleep, but looking forward to your reply/post, Dom.
PS - Enjoyed your QRZ.com page!
PPS - I'm a former planetarium director and love astrophotography too!
Hi Chris WW2BSA,
One thing I do not know much about is the 'traditional' packet hardware, like those TNCs for Pactor and Robust Packet and if there's software reimplementations so they're easily usable / accessible? One issue with packet is indeed the lack of standardization, or ease of identifying non-AX25/AFSK300 modes with 'small' bandwidths. I can't tell PACTOR from Robust Packet, and I don't know what benefits there are to using Robust Packet (which doesn't seem to be decodable by 'basic' packet modems?) with the new regulation changes and upcoming packet modems.
for other modems, ARDOP development has been dead for a few years, and in turn now we have FreeDATA based on Codec2 (sadly software is very alpha and buggy on Windows for me, but is under constant development) as a potential longer-term replacement for direwolf/soundmodem. That's probably another huge amount of work to convince people to try since it's not 'true' packet, so best to keep focus on the most popular HF Packet software that I also first tried a decade ago.
One coordination issue that I also have noticed is the USB(uppersideband) users on our networks. I know some operators like to run on say, 7.1013 USB to hear both standard packet, robust packet (nearby) and VARA packets on the main freq? If we've got a mix of sidebands, the community would need to agree to offsets for LSB and USB set radios for these additional 'channels'.
I suppose my beacon could include '600b @1250cf L & 2150cf U' as a notice that I am running a decoder on that area. I see a decent bit of QRM from wider digital/packet from Vara or Winlink at ~750hz or so on 7.104LSB
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Re: AEA Packrat 232 with mailbox for sale
No...They wanted another $75 for that so I did not get it. My rig has sound card.
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From "HB K4HYJ via groups.io" < hbjr@...> Date 2/21/2024 12:56:54 PM
Subject Re: [network105] AEA Packrat 232 with mailbox for sale
Does it have the DSP upgrade and soundcard?
Hank K4HYJ
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From: KY4JW ( ky4jwextra@...) Date: 02/21/24 12:03 To: [email protected]Subject: [network105] AEA Packrat 232 with mailbox for saleI have a?AEA Packrat 232 with mailbox for sale. The Packrat has all the upgrades done on it except the USB port. All the upgrades were done in 2023 at the manufacture. It has the latest firmware for the model. It cost me around $270 for the upgrades. The box looks very good. I am selling it becouse I like a Kamtronics TNC better. I am asking $200 plus shipping. The AEA works like it new. Will take paypal?payment.
ky4kw
ky4jw@...
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Re: AEA Packrat 232 with mailbox for sale
Does it have the DSP upgrade and soundcard?
Hank K4HYJ
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From: KY4JW ( ky4jwextra@...) Date: 02/21/24 12:03 To: [email protected]Subject: [network105] AEA Packrat 232 with mailbox for saleI have a?AEA Packrat 232 with mailbox for sale. The Packrat has all the upgrades done on it except the USB port. All the upgrades were done in 2023 at the manufacture. It has the latest firmware for the model. It cost me around $270 for the upgrades. The box looks very good. I am selling it becouse I like a Kamtronics TNC better. I am asking $200 plus shipping. The AEA works like it new. Will take paypal?payment.
ky4kw
ky4jw@...
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AEA Packrat 232 with mailbox for sale
I have a?AEA Packrat 232 with mailbox for sale. The Packrat has all the upgrades done on it except the USB port. All the upgrades were done in 2023 at the manufacture. It has the latest firmware for the model. It cost me around $270 for the upgrades. The box looks very good. I am selling it becouse I like a Kamtronics TNC better. I am asking $200 plus shipping. The AEA works like it new. W ill take paypal?payment. ky4kw ky4jw@...
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Re: High-Baud 'Channels' for Network 40, 30, 105?
Hello Dom,
1:Fm VP9NO To BEACON <UI C? pid=F0 Len=51>[03:27:26R][---+-][AX25 1690]
VP9NO(-1 MBox) FM72 45W FT991A G5RV & 600bd @1225cf
Copied a bunch of your NET40 sigs overnight at 300b but had 600b set at 1700c so no copy there. I've adjusted 600b to 1225c and will watch for decodes there.
73 de Rich WA3WLH
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Re: High-Baud 'Channels' for Network 40, 30, 105?
If anyone would also like to join in and are on Soundmodem or know how to configure Direwolf for dual operation as well, set up your 2nd modem (use Port 2/B in Easyterm for manual connections!) to AFSK600 baud on the same offset on Network40 and Network 105 as I am on Network40 until morning in the USA (LSB)
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Re: High-Baud 'Channels' for Network 40, 30, 105?
Glad to see a few replies on this topic, I've been catching a small flu/cold so have been off air and taking time off from work to rest.
I've got some really bad QRM, no idea if it's another digital mode, right by 7.05125USB that wasn't there early this morning in VP9, very strange.
I will hopefully be monitoring on Network 40 (7.104LSB) with my 300Baud 1700cf + 600baud 1225cf modems and beaconing for any USA operator that can hear me.
I collected a total of 80 SSIDs while monitoring Network105 today, and heard from one EU (Netherlands) station being decoded during grayline which is cool
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Re: High-Baud 'Channels' for Network 40, 30, 105?
Hello, OMs.
Thanks to the topic starter, it was very interesting.
My two cents:
Sergey UT1HZM and I connected some time ago by 600bps QPSK IL2P+CRC CF?+1500Hz.
Of course, for now this modulation is more demanding on the signal and the absence of frequency interference, but we continue testing.?I know what is used on the satellite QO-100, but I don’t have the equipment ready for it yet.
There is no beacon, but you can try calling RN1M-5 or RN1M-8 on 14.102.3 in the afternoon from 5 to 15 UTC, then 7044 from 14 to 20 UTC, and then until the morning on 7045.2
Frequencies DIAL, USB modulation, CF +1500Hz
About 10 meters - I have an FM station at 29 MHz, I plan to find a site and connect a port with VARA FM NARROW on 10 meters (as an alternative to 1200 baud AFSK) . We'll see what comes of it. But for now this is strictly in the plans.
Tom M0LTE, thanks for the information, I'll try to leave the station on reception at your node's frequency. I can clearly hear the signals from stations in your packet network from 7045.2 USB DIAL in St. Petersburg in IL2P 300 baud.
вт, 20 февр. 2024?г. в 20:05, WA3WLH - Rich < wa3wlh@...>:
FWIW given the recent rules change here in the US I re-configured QTSM
several weeks ago to not only provide the usual AFSK AX25 300b 1700c
port for BPQ on 7104 LSB but to also listen for 600 and 1200b sigs at
the same 1700c. BPQ is not aware of anything other than the 300b port so
this was just a listening experiment for me.
So far without shifting the 1700c around I have not seen any decodes
except for the usual 300b NET40 traffic. I really did not expect to
decode much nor do I ever expect 1200b AFSK to be useful at 40m freq's
for anything other than close by or strong sigs but if anyone is using
AFSK AX25 at anything faster than 300b on 7104 let me know the CF and
I'll adjust to see if I can decode anything.
With regard to robust packet I experimented with that some a while back
using WinRPR since while I am sure they work well I find the SCS units
to be way overpriced. The results here with WinRPR were not good. On x86
linux with wine WinRPR was problematic and unstable. It was noticeably
more stable on a win10 system but still not quite ready for regular
prime time at least here with the configurations I tested with. If
anyone is using a stable implementation of WinRPR on a x86 system (I do
not use rPi's) whether linux or windows please let me know as I'd like
to compare notes and resume testing.
73 de Rich WA3WLH
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Re: High-Baud 'Channels' for Network 40, 30, 105?
FWIW given the recent rules change here in the US I re-configured QTSM several weeks ago to not only provide the usual AFSK AX25 300b 1700c port for BPQ on 7104 LSB but to also listen for 600 and 1200b sigs at the same 1700c. BPQ is not aware of anything other than the 300b port so this was just a listening experiment for me.
So far without shifting the 1700c around I have not seen any decodes except for the usual 300b NET40 traffic. I really did not expect to decode much nor do I ever expect 1200b AFSK to be useful at 40m freq's for anything other than close by or strong sigs but if anyone is using AFSK AX25 at anything faster than 300b on 7104 let me know the CF and I'll adjust to see if I can decode anything.
With regard to robust packet I experimented with that some a while back using WinRPR since while I am sure they work well I find the SCS units to be way overpriced. The results here with WinRPR were not good. On x86 linux with wine WinRPR was problematic and unstable. It was noticeably more stable on a win10 system but still not quite ready for regular prime time at least here with the configurations I tested with. If anyone is using a stable implementation of WinRPR on a x86 system (I do not use rPi's) whether linux or windows please let me know as I'd like to compare notes and resume testing.
73 de Rich WA3WLH
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Re: Sending NTS traffic via Network 105
I would be willing to deliver radiograms in this area. that would be fun.
my call is KB8QPT - Gridsquare EN80uu
On Feb 20, 2024, at 8:10?AM, Christopher Maness <christopher.maness@...> wrote:
You don't have to speak for a lot of zip codes if you are not
interested in delivering radiograms. ?You can
just have your forwarding partner have rules for your own zip code.
There would be virtually no inbound traffic if that were the case.
What is your call and gridsquare?
-Chris KQ6UP DM14ia
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Re: Sending NTS traffic via Network 105
I would TOTALLY be interested in hosting an NTS BBS.. my only issues are:
- My radio setup is limited. I only have one antenna, and I spend a fair amount of time on CW NTS nets and doing CW stuff. so if i ran an NTS BBS, it would be offline during those times (a few hours a week)
- Ham radio is TOTALLY just a hobby for me. I pretty much build most of my gear, and don’t really sink a bunch of money into it. I really don’t want to dump a grand into a pactor modem.
- I only have mac and linux. I don’t have anything that runs windows. I think VARA HF works on a raspberry pi, but i would have ?to look. If I could run a software modem, that would be cool.
Thanks for all the info. I am diving into all this now.
On Feb 20, 2024, at 1:54?AM, Chris Lance WW2BSA <ww2bsa@...> wrote:
Good suggestion, Chris! DTN (Digital Traffic Network) which is part of RRI, will point Sergio in the right direction. It looks like, though, he is only interested in being user to send messages and not host a NTS BBS. ? Here is a great??on RRI/DTN by Ray for those interested.
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