Bonjour ¨¤ tous,
l'arbitrage des parties Harpoon, d¨¦j¨¤ intrins¨¨quement tr¨¨s ³¦´Ç³¾±è±ô¾±±ç³Ü¨¦, est rendu plus difficile encore par des manipulations malheureuses de vos interfaces ods. Je sais bien qu'aucun de vous ne pense ¨¤ mal, mais les erreurs commises me compliquent consid¨¦rablement le travail.
Ne touchez svp pas ¨¤ la structure du fichier. Un joueur l'a fait pour personnaliser son interface (ce qui est l¨¦gitime). Le r¨¦sultat est que j'ai du reconstruire le fichier pour g¨¦n¨¦rer les kmz. Ne touchez pas non plus aux donn¨¦es des tours pr¨¦c¨¦dents : lorsque je vous envoie le fichier ods, vous devez ajouter les ordres du tour ¨¤ venir mais en aucun cas modifier les donn¨¦es existantes (celles des tours pr¨¦c¨¦dents). Un joueur l'a fait r¨¦cemment : les changements apport¨¦s ont modifi¨¦ les coordonn¨¦es de l'unit¨¦ concern¨¦e, qui s'est trouv¨¦e ainsi "t¨¦l¨¦port¨¦e" de plusieurs dizaines de nautiques vers l'est. Comme je ne m'en suis pas aper?u tout de suite, cela a cr¨¦¨¦ une situation embrouill¨¦e ¨¤ laquelle je ne comprenais plus rien, et m'a oblig¨¦ ¨¤ g¨¦rer de nouveau le tour apr¨¨s avoir compris d'o¨´ venait le probl¨¨me. Comprenez-bien que je ne jette la pierre ¨¤ personne. Je suis conscient que le syst¨¨me de jeu par correspondance n'est pas parfait et ±è°ù¨¦²õ±ð²Ô³Ù±ð des fragilit¨¦s. Merci donc de faire attention en attendant que je trouve des solutions. Une solution que j'envisage est de restreindre l'usage de l'interface ods ¨¤ l'arbitre, qui la renseignera en fonction des consignes donn¨¦es par les joueurs (dans le document odt). Qu'en pensez-vous ?
Francis
Gents,
I had serious issues while running both Harpoon games recently. Some of you made some changes to their ods log sheet, with bad consequences. One player did change the structure of the document (erasing formulas or lines, etc.). Thereafter, the API no longer worked and I could not generate kmz files untill I rewrite the files. Another did change data from past turns. Consequently, it modified the current coordinates of the unit, that was 'teleported' from one point to another. As I did not realise it from the start, I had to manage a confused situation, then re-run the whole turn with the units at their correct position. I know that none of you had bad intentions and I am not angry at all. I just ask you to do your best untill I find a solution to the problem. I understand that the tools for PBEM are not perfect and allow easily errors. A possibiity would to let the referee enter data in the ods document. Players would issue their orders in the odt / doc file. Let me know what you think about that.
Francis
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Am 27.01.2021 um 17:13 schrieb Francis Marliere: Bonjour ¨¤ tous, l'arbitrage des parties Harpoon, d¨¦j¨¤ intrins¨¨quement tr¨¨s ³¦´Ç³¾±è±ô¾±±ç³Ü¨¦, est rendu plus difficile encore par des manipulations malheureuses de vos interfaces ods. Je sais bien qu'aucun de vous ne pense ¨¤ mal, mais les erreurs commises me compliquent consid¨¦rablement le travail. Ne touchez svp pas ¨¤ la structure du fichier. Un joueur l'a fait pour personnaliser son interface (ce qui est l¨¦gitime). Le r¨¦sultat est que j'ai du reconstruire le fichier pour g¨¦n¨¦rer les kmz. Ne touchez pas non plus aux donn¨¦es des tours pr¨¦c¨¦dents : lorsque je vous envoie le fichier ods, vous devez ajouter les ordres du tour ¨¤ venir mais en aucun cas modifier les donn¨¦es existantes (celles des tours pr¨¦c¨¦dents). Un joueur l'a fait r¨¦cemment : les changements apport¨¦s ont modifi¨¦ les coordonn¨¦es de l'unit¨¦ concern¨¦e, qui s'est trouv¨¦e ainsi "t¨¦l¨¦port¨¦e" de plusieurs dizaines de nautiques vers l'est. Comme je ne m'en suis pas aper?u tout de suite, cela a cr¨¦¨¦ une situation embrouill¨¦e ¨¤ laquelle je ne comprenais plus rien, et m'a oblig¨¦ ¨¤ g¨¦rer de nouveau le tour apr¨¨s avoir compris d'o¨´ venait le probl¨¨me. Comprenez-bien que je ne jette la pierre ¨¤ personne. Je suis conscient que le syst¨¨me de jeu par correspondance n'est pas parfait et ±è°ù¨¦²õ±ð²Ô³Ù±ð des fragilit¨¦s. Merci donc de faire attention en attendant que je trouve des solutions. Une solution que j'envisage est de restreindre l'usage de l'interface ods ¨¤ l'arbitre, qui la renseignera en fonction des consignes donn¨¦es par les joueurs (dans le document odt). Qu'en pensez-vous ? Francis /Gents,/ / / /I had serious issues while running both Harpoon games recently. Some of you made some changes to their ods log sheet, with bad consequences./ /One player did change the structure of the document (erasing formulas or lines, etc.). Thereafter, the API no longer worked and I could not generate kmz files untill I rewrite the files./ /Another did change data from past turns. Consequently, it modified the current coordinates of the unit, that was 'teleported' from one point to another. As I did not realise it from the start, I had to manage a confused situation, then re-run the whole turn with the units at their correct position./ if that was me, i am very sorry about it .. i only tried to bring the excel sheet into congruence with other information you gave elsewhere .. it was not my intention to create additional work for you .. i also added comment fields to some of the excel pages - but those are at the right side end of the lines, so they should not have influenced the way you work with the data .. /I know that none of you had bad intentions and I am not angry at all. I just ask you to do your best untill I find a solution to the problem. I understand that the tools for PBEM are not perfect and allow easily errors. A possibiity would to let the referee enter data in the ods document. Players would issue their orders in the odt / doc file. Let me know what you think about that./ that would be prefectly ok for me .. servus markus /Francis
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Dear Markus, it wasn't you, and anyway, it doesn't matter : I am not angry at all. II'm just trying to fix the problem. I know that all players are good fellows that do their best. The fault lay in the tools that are not perfect.
Best regards,
Francis
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Am 27.01.2021 um 17:13 schrieb Francis Marliere:
> Bonjour ¨¤ tous,
>
> l'arbitrage des parties Harpoon, d¨¦j¨¤ intrins¨¨quement tr¨¨s ³¦´Ç³¾±è±ô¾±±ç³Ü¨¦,
> est rendu plus difficile encore par des manipulations malheureuses de
> vos interfaces ods. Je sais bien qu'aucun de vous ne pense ¨¤ mal, mais
> les erreurs commises me compliquent consid¨¦rablement le travail.
> Ne touchez svp pas ¨¤ la structure du fichier. Un joueur l'a fait pour
> personnaliser son interface (ce qui est l¨¦gitime). Le r¨¦sultat est que
> j'ai du reconstruire le fichier pour g¨¦n¨¦rer les kmz.
> Ne touchez pas non plus aux donn¨¦es des tours pr¨¦c¨¦dents : lorsque je
> vous envoie le fichier ods, vous devez ajouter les ordres du tour ¨¤
> venir mais en aucun cas modifier les donn¨¦es existantes (celles des
> tours pr¨¦c¨¦dents). Un joueur l'a fait r¨¦cemment : les changements
> apport¨¦s ont modifi¨¦ les coordonn¨¦es de l'unit¨¦ concern¨¦e, qui s'est
> trouv¨¦e ainsi "t¨¦l¨¦port¨¦e" de plusieurs dizaines de nautiques vers
> l'est. Comme je ne m'en suis pas aper?u tout de suite, cela a cr¨¦¨¦ une
> situation embrouill¨¦e ¨¤ laquelle je ne comprenais plus rien, et m'a
> oblig¨¦ ¨¤ g¨¦rer de nouveau le tour apr¨¨s avoir compris d'o¨´ venait le
> probl¨¨me.
> Comprenez-bien que je ne jette la pierre ¨¤ personne. Je suis conscient
> que le syst¨¨me de jeu par correspondance n'est pas parfait et ±è°ù¨¦²õ±ð²Ô³Ù±ð
> des fragilit¨¦s. Merci donc de faire attention en attendant que je trouve
> des solutions. Une solution que j'envisage est de restreindre l'usage de
> l'interface ods ¨¤ l'arbitre, qui la renseignera en fonction des
> consignes donn¨¦es par les joueurs (dans le document odt). Qu'en
> pensez-vous ?
>
> Francis
>
> /Gents,/
> /
> /
> /I had serious issues while running both Harpoon games recently. Some of
> you made some changes to their ods log sheet, with bad consequences./
> /One player did change the structure of the document (erasing formulas
> or lines, etc.). Thereafter, the API no longer worked and I could not
> generate kmz files untill I rewrite the files./
> /Another did change data from past turns. Consequently, it modified the
> current coordinates of the unit, that was 'teleported' from one point to
> another. As I did not realise it from the start, I had to manage a
> confused situation, then re-run the whole turn with the units at their
> correct position./
if that was me, i am very sorry about it ..
i only tried to bring the excel sheet into congruence with other
information you gave elsewhere .. it was not my intention to create
additional work for you ..
i also added comment fields to some of the excel pages - but those are
at the right side end of the lines, so they should not have influenced
the way you work with the data ..
> /I know that none of you had bad intentions and I am not angry at all. I
> just ask you to do your best untill I find a solution to the problem. I
> understand that the tools for PBEM are not perfect and allow easily
> errors. A possibiity would to let the referee enter data in the ods
> document. Players would issue their orders in the odt / doc file. Let me
> know what you think about that./
that would be prefectly ok for me ..
servus
markus
> /Francis
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Am 27.01.2021 um 20:31 schrieb Francis Marliere: Dear Markus, it wasn't you, and anyway, it doesn't matter : I am not angry at all. II'm just trying to fix the problem. I know that all players are good fellows that do their best. The fault lay in the tools that are not perfect. thanks .. to return to this: /I know that none of you had bad intentions and I am not angry at all. I just ask you to do your best until I find a solution to the problem. I understand that the tools for PBEM are not perfect and allow easily errors. A possibility would to let the referee enter data in the ods document. Players would issue their orders in the odt / doc file. Let me know what you think about that./
should i keep sending the excel file until we have a firm decision to this servus markus Best regards, Francis Le mer. 27 janv. 2021 ¨¤ 17:28, markus baur via groups.io <> <baur@... <mailto:[email protected]>> a ¨¦crit : Am 27.01.2021 um 17:13 schrieb Francis Marliere:
Bonjour ¨¤ tous, l'arbitrage des parties Harpoon, d¨¦j¨¤ intrins¨¨quement tr¨¨s ³¦´Ç³¾±è±ô¾±±ç³Ü¨¦,
est rendu plus difficile encore par des manipulations malheureuses de
vos interfaces ods. Je sais bien qu'aucun de vous ne pense ¨¤ mal, mais
les erreurs commises me compliquent consid¨¦rablement le travail. Ne touchez svp pas ¨¤ la structure du fichier. Un joueur l'a fait pour
personnaliser son interface (ce qui est l¨¦gitime). Le r¨¦sultat est que
j'ai du reconstruire le fichier pour g¨¦n¨¦rer les kmz. Ne touchez pas non plus aux donn¨¦es des tours pr¨¦c¨¦dents : lorsque je
vous envoie le fichier ods, vous devez ajouter les ordres du tour ¨¤ venir mais en aucun cas modifier les donn¨¦es existantes (celles des tours pr¨¦c¨¦dents). Un joueur l'a fait r¨¦cemment : les changements apport¨¦s ont modifi¨¦ les coordonn¨¦es de l'unit¨¦ concern¨¦e, qui s'est trouv¨¦e ainsi "t¨¦l¨¦port¨¦e" de plusieurs dizaines de nautiques vers l'est. Comme je ne m'en suis pas aper?u tout de suite, cela a cr¨¦¨¦ une
situation embrouill¨¦e ¨¤ laquelle je ne comprenais plus rien, et m'a oblig¨¦ ¨¤ g¨¦rer de nouveau le tour apr¨¨s avoir compris d'o¨´ venait le probl¨¨me. Comprenez-bien que je ne jette la pierre ¨¤ personne. Je suis conscient
que le syst¨¨me de jeu par correspondance n'est pas parfait et ±è°ù¨¦²õ±ð²Ô³Ù±ð
des fragilit¨¦s. Merci donc de faire attention en attendant que je trouve
des solutions. Une solution que j'envisage est de restreindre l'usage de
l'interface ods ¨¤ l'arbitre, qui la renseignera en fonction des consignes donn¨¦es par les joueurs (dans le document odt). Qu'en pensez-vous ? Francis /Gents,/ / / /I had serious issues while running both Harpoon games recently. Some of
you made some changes to their ods log sheet, with bad consequences./ /One player did change the structure of the document (erasing formulas
or lines, etc.). Thereafter, the API no longer worked and I could not
generate kmz files untill I rewrite the files./ /Another did change data from past turns. Consequently, it modified the
current coordinates of the unit, that was 'teleported' from one point to
another. As I did not realise it from the start, I had to manage a confused situation, then re-run the whole turn with the units at their
correct position./ if that was me, i am very sorry about it .. i only tried to bring the excel sheet into congruence with other information you gave elsewhere .. it was not my intention to create additional work for you .. i also added comment fields to some of the excel pages - but those are at the right side end of the lines, so they should not have influenced the way you work with the data ..
/I know that none of you had bad intentions and I am not angry at all. I
just ask you to do your best untill I find a solution to the problem. I
understand that the tools for PBEM are not perfect and allow easily errors. A possibiity would to let the referee enter data in the ods document. Players would issue their orders in the odt / doc file. Let me
know what you think about that./ that would be prefectly ok for me .. servus markus
/Francis
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Untill I make a decision, no change to the process, except correcting errors ;)
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Am 27.01.2021 um 20:31 schrieb Francis Marliere:
> Dear Markus, it wasn't you, and anyway, it doesn't matter : I am not
>? angry at all. II'm just trying to fix the problem. I know that all
> players are good fellows that do their best. The fault lay in the
> tools that are not perfect.
thanks ..
to return to this:
>> /I know that none of you had bad intentions and I am not angry at
>> all. I just ask you to do your best until I find a solution to the
>> problem. I understand that the tools for PBEM are not perfect and allow
>> easily errors. A possibility would to let the referee enter data in
>> the ods document. Players would issue their orders in the odt / doc
>> file.
>> Let me know what you think about that./
should i keep sending the excel file until we have a firm decision to this
servus
markus
> Best regards,
>
> Francis
>
> Le mer. 27 janv. 2021 ¨¤ 17:28, markus baur via
> <> <baur=[email protected]
> <mailto:[email protected]>> a ¨¦crit :
>
> Am 27.01.2021 um 17:13 schrieb Francis Marliere:
>> Bonjour ¨¤ tous,
>>
>> l'arbitrage des parties Harpoon, d¨¦j¨¤ intrins¨¨quement tr¨¨s
> ³¦´Ç³¾±è±ô¾±±ç³Ü¨¦,
>> est rendu plus difficile encore par des manipulations
> malheureuses de
>> vos interfaces ods. Je sais bien qu'aucun de vous ne pense ¨¤ mal,
> mais
>> les erreurs commises me compliquent consid¨¦rablement le travail. Ne
>> touchez svp pas ¨¤ la structure du fichier. Un joueur l'a fait
> pour
>> personnaliser son interface (ce qui est l¨¦gitime). Le r¨¦sultat
> est que
>> j'ai du reconstruire le fichier pour g¨¦n¨¦rer les kmz. Ne touchez
>> pas non plus aux donn¨¦es des tours pr¨¦c¨¦dents :
> lorsque je
>> vous envoie le fichier ods, vous devez ajouter les ordres du tour
>> ¨¤ venir mais en aucun cas modifier les donn¨¦es existantes (celles
>> des tours pr¨¦c¨¦dents). Un joueur l'a fait r¨¦cemment : les
>> changements apport¨¦s ont modifi¨¦ les coordonn¨¦es de l'unit¨¦
>> concern¨¦e, qui s'est trouv¨¦e ainsi "t¨¦l¨¦port¨¦e" de plusieurs
>> dizaines de nautiques vers l'est. Comme je ne m'en suis pas aper?u
>> tout de suite, cela a
> cr¨¦¨¦ une
>> situation embrouill¨¦e ¨¤ laquelle je ne comprenais plus rien, et
>> m'a oblig¨¦ ¨¤ g¨¦rer de nouveau le tour apr¨¨s avoir compris d'o¨´
>> venait le probl¨¨me. Comprenez-bien que je ne jette la pierre ¨¤
>> personne. Je suis
> conscient
>> que le syst¨¨me de jeu par correspondance n'est pas parfait et
> ±è°ù¨¦²õ±ð²Ô³Ù±ð
>> des fragilit¨¦s. Merci donc de faire attention en attendant que je
> trouve
>> des solutions. Une solution que j'envisage est de restreindre
> l'usage de
>> l'interface ods ¨¤ l'arbitre, qui la renseignera en fonction des
>> consignes donn¨¦es par les joueurs (dans le document odt). Qu'en
>> pensez-vous ?
>>
>> Francis
>>
>> /Gents,/ / / /I had serious issues while running both Harpoon games
>> recently.
> Some of
>> you made some changes to their ods log sheet, with bad
>> consequences./ /One player did change the structure of the document
>> (erasing
> formulas
>> or lines, etc.). Thereafter, the API no longer worked and I could
> not
>> generate kmz files untill I rewrite the files./ /Another did change
>> data from past turns. Consequently, it
> modified the
>> current coordinates of the unit, that was 'teleported' from one
> point to
>> another. As I did not realise it from the start, I had to manage a
>> confused situation, then re-run the whole turn with the units at
> their
>> correct position./
>
> if that was me, i am very sorry about it ..
>
> i only tried to bring the excel sheet into congruence with other
> information you gave elsewhere .. it was not my intention to create
> additional work for you ..
>
> i also added comment fields to some of the excel pages - but those
> are at the right side end of the lines, so they should not have
> influenced the way you work with the data ..
>
>> /I know that none of you had bad intentions and I am not angry at
> all. I
>> just ask you to do your best untill I find a solution to the
> problem. I
>> understand that the tools for PBEM are not perfect and allow
>> easily errors. A possibiity would to let the referee enter data in
>> the ods document. Players would issue their orders in the odt / doc
>> file.
> Let me
>> know what you think about that./
>
> that would be prefectly ok for me ..
>
> servus
>
> markus
>
>> /Francis
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markus
Am 27.01.2021 um 21:14 schrieb Francis Marliere:
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Untill I make a decision, no change to the process, except correcting errors ;) Le?mer. 27 janv. 2021 ¨¤?20:49, markus baur via groups.io <> <baur@... <mailto:[email protected]>> a ¨¦crit?: Am 27.01.2021 um 20:31 schrieb Francis Marliere: > Dear Markus, it wasn't you, and anyway, it doesn't matter : I am not >? angry at all. II'm just trying to fix the problem. I know that all > players are good fellows that do their best. The fault lay in the > tools that are not perfect. thanks .. to return to this:
>> /I know that none of you had bad intentions and I am not angry at >> all. I just ask you to do your best until I find a solution to the >> problem. I understand that the tools for PBEM are not perfect and allow >> easily errors. A possibility would to let the referee enter data in >> the ods document. Players would issue their orders in the odt / doc >> file. >> Let me know what you think about that./ should i keep sending the excel file until we have a firm decision to this servus markus
> Best regards, > > Francis > > Le mer. 27 janv. 2021 ¨¤ 17:28, markus baur via groups.io <> > < <>> <baur@... <mailto:[email protected]> > <mailto:[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>>> a ¨¦crit : > > Am 27.01.2021 um 17:13 schrieb Francis Marliere: >> Bonjour ¨¤ tous, >> >> l'arbitrage des parties Harpoon, d¨¦j¨¤ intrins¨¨quement tr¨¨s > ³¦´Ç³¾±è±ô¾±±ç³Ü¨¦, >> est rendu plus difficile encore par des manipulations > malheureuses de >> vos interfaces ods. Je sais bien qu'aucun de vous ne pense ¨¤ mal, > mais >> les erreurs commises me compliquent consid¨¦rablement le travail. Ne >> touchez svp pas ¨¤ la structure du fichier. Un joueur l'a fait > pour >> personnaliser son interface (ce qui est l¨¦gitime). Le r¨¦sultat > est que >> j'ai du reconstruire le fichier pour g¨¦n¨¦rer les kmz. Ne touchez >> pas non plus aux donn¨¦es des tours pr¨¦c¨¦dents : > lorsque je >> vous envoie le fichier ods, vous devez ajouter les ordres du tour >> ¨¤ venir mais en aucun cas modifier les donn¨¦es existantes (celles >> des tours pr¨¦c¨¦dents). Un joueur l'a fait r¨¦cemment : les >> changements apport¨¦s ont modifi¨¦ les coordonn¨¦es de l'unit¨¦ >> concern¨¦e, qui s'est trouv¨¦e ainsi "t¨¦l¨¦port¨¦e" de plusieurs >> dizaines de nautiques vers l'est. Comme je ne m'en suis pas aper?u >> tout de suite, cela a > cr¨¦¨¦ une >> situation embrouill¨¦e ¨¤ laquelle je ne comprenais plus rien, et >> m'a oblig¨¦ ¨¤ g¨¦rer de nouveau le tour apr¨¨s avoir compris d'o¨´ >> venait le probl¨¨me. Comprenez-bien que je ne jette la pierre ¨¤ >> personne. Je suis > conscient >> que le syst¨¨me de jeu par correspondance n'est pas parfait et > ±è°ù¨¦²õ±ð²Ô³Ù±ð >> des fragilit¨¦s. Merci donc de faire attention en attendant que je > trouve >> des solutions. Une solution que j'envisage est de restreindre > l'usage de >> l'interface ods ¨¤ l'arbitre, qui la renseignera en fonction des >> consignes donn¨¦es par les joueurs (dans le document odt). Qu'en >> pensez-vous ? >> >> Francis >> >> /Gents,/ / / /I had serious issues while running both Harpoon games >> recently. > Some of >> you made some changes to their ods log sheet, with bad >> consequences./ /One player did change the structure of the document >> (erasing > formulas >> or lines, etc.). Thereafter, the API no longer worked and I could > not >> generate kmz files untill I rewrite the files./ /Another did change >> data from past turns. Consequently, it > modified the >> current coordinates of the unit, that was 'teleported' from one > point to >> another. As I did not realise it from the start, I had to manage a >> confused situation, then re-run the whole turn with the units at > their >> correct position./ > > if that was me, i am very sorry about it .. > > i only tried to bring the excel sheet into congruence with other > information you gave elsewhere .. it was not my intention to create > additional work for you .. > > i also added comment fields to some of the excel pages - but those > are at the right side end of the lines, so they should not have > influenced the way you work with the data .. > >> /I know that none of you had bad intentions and I am not angry at > all. I >> just ask you to do your best untill I find a solution to the > problem. I >> understand that the tools for PBEM are not perfect and allow >> easily errors. A possibiity would to let the referee enter data in >> the ods document. Players would issue their orders in the odt / doc >> file. > Let me >> know what you think about that./ > > that would be prefectly ok for me .. > > servus > > markus > >> /Francis
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Hi, I¡¯m probably the culprit here, or one of them.? I believe it would be better to simply freeze and lock the sheet and cells that need to be untouched than completely removing the .ods files to the player.? ? I frequently take hours to try various hypothesis and optimize the route of ships and planes, and the sheet is essential for this work.? And it would bring even more work on the should of the referee which is not a good thing. ? Also note that the modification done to the sheet was in an attempt to provide proper data to the GPSVisualization site to generate .kmz files to get myself a good overview of the situation.? So, if the files was modified for this, I would need to work it all out. ? The Referee job is already a heavy workload, for the sake of your personal life, and the future of the group, is should be kept as low as possible. ? Salutations, ? Laurent Leclerc ? l'arbitrage des parties Harpoon, d¨¦j¨¤ intrins¨¨quement tr¨¨s ³¦´Ç³¾±è±ô¾±±ç³Ü¨¦, est rendu plus difficile encore par des manipulations malheureuses de vos interfaces ods. Je sais bien qu'aucun de vous ne pense ¨¤ mal, mais les erreurs commises me compliquent consid¨¦rablement le travail. Ne touchez svp pas ¨¤ la structure du fichier. Un joueur l'a fait pour personnaliser son interface (ce qui est l¨¦gitime). Le r¨¦sultat est que j'ai du reconstruire le fichier pour g¨¦n¨¦rer les kmz. Ne touchez pas non plus aux donn¨¦es des tours pr¨¦c¨¦dents : lorsque je vous envoie le fichier ods, vous devez ajouter les ordres du tour ¨¤ venir mais en aucun cas modifier les donn¨¦es existantes (celles des tours pr¨¦c¨¦dents). Un joueur l'a fait r¨¦cemment : les changements apport¨¦s ont modifi¨¦ les coordonn¨¦es de l'unit¨¦ concern¨¦e, qui s'est trouv¨¦e ainsi "t¨¦l¨¦port¨¦e" de plusieurs dizaines de nautiques vers l'est. Comme je ne m'en suis pas aper?u tout de suite, cela a cr¨¦¨¦ une situation embrouill¨¦e ¨¤ laquelle je ne comprenais plus rien, et m'a oblig¨¦ ¨¤ g¨¦rer de nouveau le tour apr¨¨s avoir compris d'o¨´ venait le probl¨¨me. Comprenez-bien que je ne jette la pierre ¨¤ personne. Je suis conscient que le syst¨¨me de jeu par correspondance n'est pas parfait et ±è°ù¨¦²õ±ð²Ô³Ù±ð des fragilit¨¦s. Merci donc de faire attention en attendant que je trouve des solutions. Une solution que j'envisage est de restreindre l'usage de l'interface ods ¨¤ l'arbitre, qui la renseignera en fonction des consignes donn¨¦es par les joueurs (dans le document odt). Qu'en pensez-vous ? I had serious issues while running both Harpoon games recently. Some of you made some changes to their ods log sheet, with bad consequences. One player did change the structure of the document (erasing formulas or lines, etc.). Thereafter, the API no longer worked and I could not generate kmz files untill I rewrite the files. Another did change data from past turns. Consequently, it modified the current coordinates of the unit, that was 'teleported' from one point to another. As I did not realise it from the start, I had to manage a confused situation, then re-run the whole turn with the units at their correct position. I know that none of you had bad intentions and I am not angry at all. I just ask you to do your best untill I find a solution to the problem. I understand that the tools for PBEM are not perfect and allow easily errors. A possibiity would to let the referee enter data in the ods document. Players would issue their orders in the odt / doc file. Let me know what you think about that.
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Bonjour ¨¤ tous.
?
Je pense que verrouiller l'acc¨¨s aux cellules ¨¤ ne pas modifier est une bonne id¨¦e.
Laurent
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Le 2021-01-28 15:08, Laurent Leclerc a ¨¦crit?:
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Hi, I¡¯m probably the culprit here, or one of them. ?I believe it would be better to simply freeze and lock the sheet and cells that need to be untouched than completely removing the .ods files to the player. ? I frequently take hours to try various hypothesis and optimize the route of ships and planes, and the sheet is essential for this work. And it would bring even more work on the should of the referee which is not a good thing. Also note that the modification done to the sheet was in an attempt to provide proper data to the GPSVisualization site to generate .kmz files to get myself a good overview of the situation. ?So, if the files was modified for this, I would need to work it all out. The Referee job is already a heavy workload, for the sake of your personal life, and the future of the group, is should be kept as low as possible. Salutations, _ _ _LAURENT LECLERC _ DE : [email protected] <[email protected]> DE LA PART DE Francis Marliere ENVOY? : 27 janvier 2021 11:14 ? : [email protected] OBJET : [laguerrenavale] Issue with Harpoon games Bonjour ¨¤ tous, l'arbitrage des parties Harpoon, d¨¦j¨¤ intrins¨¨quement tr¨¨s ³¦´Ç³¾±è±ô¾±±ç³Ü¨¦, est rendu plus difficile encore par des manipulations malheureuses de vos interfaces ods. Je sais bien qu'aucun de vous ne pense ¨¤ mal, mais les erreurs commises me compliquent consid¨¦rablement le travail. Ne touchez svp pas ¨¤ la structure du fichier. Un joueur l'a fait pour personnaliser son interface (ce qui est l¨¦gitime). Le r¨¦sultat est que j'ai du reconstruire le fichier pour g¨¦n¨¦rer les kmz. Ne touchez pas non plus aux donn¨¦es des tours pr¨¦c¨¦dents : lorsque je vous envoie le fichier ods, vous devez ajouter les ordres du tour ¨¤ venir mais en aucun cas modifier les donn¨¦es existantes (celles des tours pr¨¦c¨¦dents). Un joueur l'a fait r¨¦cemment : les changements apport¨¦s ont modifi¨¦ les coordonn¨¦es de l'unit¨¦ concern¨¦e, qui s'est trouv¨¦e ainsi "t¨¦l¨¦port¨¦e" de plusieurs dizaines de nautiques vers l'est. Comme je ne m'en suis pas aper?u tout de suite, cela a cr¨¦¨¦ une situation embrouill¨¦e ¨¤ laquelle je ne comprenais plus rien, et m'a oblig¨¦ ¨¤ g¨¦rer de nouveau le tour apr¨¨s avoir compris d'o¨´ venait le probl¨¨me. Comprenez-bien que je ne jette la pierre ¨¤ personne. Je suis conscient que le syst¨¨me de jeu par correspondance n'est pas parfait et ±è°ù¨¦²õ±ð²Ô³Ù±ð des fragilit¨¦s. Merci donc de faire attention en attendant que je trouve des solutions. Une solution que j'envisage est de restreindre l'usage de l'interface ods ¨¤ l'arbitre, qui la renseignera en fonction des consignes donn¨¦es par les joueurs (dans le document odt). Qu'en pensez-vous ? Francis _Gents,_ _I had serious issues while running both Harpoon games recently. Some of you made some changes to their ods log sheet, with bad consequences._ _One player did change the structure of the document (erasing formulas or lines, etc.). Thereafter, the API no longer worked and I could not generate kmz files untill I rewrite the files._ _Another did change data from past turns. Consequently, it modified the current coordinates of the unit, that was 'teleported' from one point to another. As I did not realise it from the start, I had to manage a confused situation, then re-run the whole turn with the units at their correct position._ _I know that none of you had bad intentions and I am not angry at all. I just ask you to do your best untill I find a solution to the problem. I understand that the tools for PBEM are not perfect and allow easily errors. A possibiity would to let the referee enter data in the ods document. Players would issue their orders in the odt / doc file. Let me know what you think about that._ _Francis_ Links: ------ [1] /g/laguerrenavale/message/92 [2] /mt/80160643/3956191 [3] /g/laguerrenavale/post [4] /g/laguerrenavale/editsub/3956191 [5] /g/laguerrenavale/leave/defanged
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