Re: LogixNG table editor and CSV question
#logixng
Erik,
Does Excel have an option to export using tabs?
Dave Sand
----- Original message ----- Subject: Re: [jmriusers] LogixNG table editor and CSV question Date: Monday, May 26, 2025 1:32 AM
On Sun, May 25, 2025 at 05:04 PM, Dave Sand wrote: When you do the Excel CSV export, specify comma for the separator. ?It looks like you used the semi-colon in the first export. ? ? When you do the LogixNG import, select the proper separator. Dave Sand ?
Hi Dave, I discovered why my .csv file uses a semi-colon. Please see my previous message. ? The only solution (in light of what I described there) is for JMRI to allow a third option (besides tab and comma) namely a semi-colon. I intend on submitting this request to the developpers. ? Erik ?
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Re: Ad Hoc Changing Block Alternate Colour - Means of Showing Cab Allocation with DC Cab Control
Oh and it is good to have seen that block managing script, where and how it is described and syntax. All part of learning.
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Re: Ad Hoc Changing Block Alternate Colour - Means of Showing Cab Allocation with DC Cab Control
On Mon, May 26, 2025 at 12:20 AM, Dave Sand wrote:
Traditionally, cab control consists of a rotary switch that routes the power from a number of cabs to a section of track.
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The goal is to have JMRI handle the power switching using some unspecified type of hardware. ?The power routing would be based on selecting a cab and then a NX route. ?When the NX route is activated, the hardware would be notified of the cab setting for each affected block and the NX route on the panel would have the allocated track color changed based on which cab was selected.
A pithy summation, yes it makes sense, thanks for getting into the depth of this user's head :)
A detail adjustment and splitting the last sentence if I may...
When a cab is selected the allocated track colour associated with that cab is selected for all unallocated blocks. When the NX route is activated, the hardware would be notified of the cab setting for each activated block and the NX route on the panel uses the now cab dependent allocated track colour.
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I feel that reflects, clarifies and separates the selection of the alternate colour and the use of it. This in a similar way to the separation of alternate colour selection in the edit block dialog and use of the alternate colour in NX route setting. The end result is the same as your description, just a slightly different order of getting there.
Is there any advantage/disadvantage you see in either method?
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How to stop auto-train that loses next Signal
#dispatcher
Hi All,
sometimes, fortunately very very seldom, an auto-train running under Dispatcher on our Club layout loses next Signal and so it does not stop although that Signal is set to Stop. I mean there is no next Signal in the? Dispatcher window in those situations.
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On one side I am investigating with the help of System Consolle but on the other side, since our goal is safety first, I would like to stop the train when this behaviour happens.
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Is there a way to use LogixNG or scripts? I am not able to get/drive the decoder address of the running train in the block where it should stop.
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Thanks for help!
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Giuseppe Di Biasi
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JMRI 5.10
MacOS Monterey 12.7.6
Windows 11
Java 17
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Simple way to move any loco between two points (automated)?
I'm looking for a simple way to move any loco from the staging track (siding/yard) to the block where the warrant will start.
Conceptually the solution would:
- Use a loco/consist address supplied (e.g. from a memory variable)
- Drive the train until a sensor (block occupancy) is triggered.
- Assume a clear path has been established (user responsibility)
Thanks.
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H.O. Australia (Layout in Progress)
Digikeijs DR5000 LocoNet
JMRI v5.10 DecoderPro/Warrants/CPE/SML/LogixNG
Java: OpenLogic jre-17.0.12.7 ? Windows 10
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Re: LogixNG table editor and CSV question
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On Sun, May 25, 2025 at 05:04 PM, Dave Sand wrote:
When you do the Excel CSV export, specify comma for the separator. ?It looks like you used the semi-colon in the first export. ?
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When you do the LogixNG import, select the proper separator.
Dave Sand
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Hi Dave, I discovered why my .csv file uses a semi-colon. Please see my previous message.
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The only solution (in light of what I described there) is for JMRI to allow a third option (besides tab and comma) namely a semi-colon.
I intend on submitting this request to the developpers.
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Erik
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Re: LogixNG table editor and CSV question
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On Sun, May 25, 2025 at 03:15 PM, danielb987 wrote:
Erik,
Your CSV file uses semicolon as separator. Try to export the table using TAB as the separator instead.
Daniel
Hi Dani?l, I have one last question:
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I cannot so far seem to save an Excel file as a .csv file useable for LogixNG Tables. At the moment I need to convert my Excel file to an MS-DOS .txt file but that makes the original Excel file disappear into this .txt file.
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One issue I discovered () is that we in the EU use a comma for decimal and a . (dot) for thousands: this makes Excel to convert .csv to ; (semicolon) delimited files.
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It would be a huge advantage for JMRI to also allow a semicolon as separator in the options (besides tbas and comma). Where can I contact JMRI developper to request this addition?
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On Sun, May 25, 2025 at 05:21 PM, Jon Schmidt wrote:
I like the feature in general.? However, It appears that the default is if a location has Pickups AND Setouts, you set "Local moves" to yes. I see that on several of my pre-existing routes.? This is unfortunate.? I have several trains that drop & lift blocks of cars, but do not do any local moves.? Looks like I have to edit either the train or the route to get it to work as I wish.? right?
The default for this upgrade is to set the local moves to yes if previously the pickups and setouts were also yes.? It shouldn't change things for you as you needed both to be true to allow a local move.? You now have the ability to prevent a local move, and still allow both pickups and setouts.? So no editing necessary.
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Dan
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Dan,
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This is a great addition. ?Thank you for working so tirelessly to continue improving Operations Pro!
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-Steve Davis
KCS Heavener Sub
www.kcs1982.com
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Re: Ad Hoc Changing Block Alternate Colour - Means of Showing Cab Allocation with DC Cab Control
Colin,
See if what follows makes sense.
Traditionally, cab control consists of a rotary switch that routes the power from a number of cabs to a section of track.
The goal is to have JMRI handle the power switching using some unspecified type of hardware. ?The power routing would be based on selecting a cab and then a NX route. ?When the NX route is activated, the hardware would be notified of the cab setting for each affected block and the NX route on the panel would have the allocated track color changed based on which cab was selected.
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Don't worry about ManageBlocks2.py. ?For your purpose, a new script integrated with LogixNG would work much better.
Dave Sand
----- Original message ----- Subject: Re: [jmriusers] Ad Hoc Changing Block Alternate Colour - Means of Showing Cab Allocation with DC Cab Control Date: Sunday, May 25, 2025 1:22 PM
Yes Layout Editor, it's all I've used, forgot there are multiple Panel types/editing means. ? Had a look at the "ManageBlocks2.py" script. Wow, that's quite a deep end into which to be thrown! I dabbled very, very briefly with Python also 20 years ago so any understanding is long forgotten! Anyway, hopefully moderately sensible questions below :) ? There appears to me to be setting (or choosing) and using (with changes to release/reserved) the block extra colour (or alternate colour as it is called elsewhere) in that script. If the use bit and changes to release/reserved were avoided leaving only the setting would that avoid NX conflicts? It is that separating of the setting (or choice) of alternate colour from its use that I had envisioned. In a similar way to the existing means of setting a block's alternate colour in the block edit dialog being separate from the use of the alternate colour in the NX process. ? You say: "If I understand the concepts, you need four block colors, two are track colors and two are alternate track colors. - Default
- Cab assigned
- NX allocated
- NX allocated and Cab assigned
Actually there are 12 colors since there are five cabs." ? My vision is simpler (perhaps!) states 2&3 do not exist except perhaps as a transient or unseen/don't care combination of other conditions while the assignment process runs. My cab choice sensor group button (1 of 5) being selected before an NX setting process might set but not use a cab-dependent alternate colour for all unreserved (by NX) blocks. In this state, two above in your example, those blocks will still be displaying their default track colour as there has not been any NX route allocation (or change in actual cab relays) for them. When an NX assignment is made NX uses the alternate colour. That change in block reservation status might be the trigger which then sets a turnout for that block's cab selection relays. i.e. the colours/states for my system are 1&4 only. ? You say "How do you manage the "cab to block" assignments? ?Is there a sensor group for each block or is a set of blocks assigned to a cab?" The latter I think as each block becomes part of an NX set route.
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Re: Keyboard Shortcuts for PC and/or Mac for PanelPro... are there any?
The usual cut, copy, paste for text works on Windows. Cntl-X, Cntl-C, and Cntl-V. ? But it may also be a function of the ¡®look and feel¡¯ selected in the Preferences. I always pick ¡®Metal¡¯ for my systems. You may have to try a few combos. But do a Save and Restart of JMRI after making a change. ? -Ken Cameron, Member JMRI Dev Team
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Build 2365 Fails to Launch on macOS arm64
Bob et al - Looks like the signing issue again. (macOS 15.5, Java 17)
Fred Dalzell
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I like the feature in general.? However, It appears that the default is if a location has Pickups AND Setouts, you set "Local moves" to yes. I see that on several of my pre-existing routes.? This is unfortunate.? I have several trains that drop & lift blocks of cars, but do not do any local moves.? Looks like I have to edit either the train or the route to get it to work as I wish.? right?
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Jon in San Rafael
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Dan, the "local moves" flag needs to be added to the routes export.
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Jon
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Re: LogixNG table editor and CSV question
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If the xml file has a reference to the CSV file, the current data will be loaded from the CSV file.
Dave Sand
----- Original message ----- Subject: Re: [jmriusers] LogixNG table editor and CSV question Date: Sunday, May 25, 2025 3:28 PM
On Sun, May 25, 2025 at 09:59 PM, Dave Sand wrote: Then I start PanelPro and the new CSV data will be loaded. ?Note: ?Once the table definition has been added to the LogixNG Table, subsequent xml data file loading will load the current CSV file. ?The table content is not stored in the layout data xml file. ?A reference to the CSV file name is stored. ? ?
If I understand coorectly, every time Panel Pro is started, and the relevant .xml file is loaded, and there is a valid LogixNG Tables file, this file will load its source csv file including any modifications made prior to loading?
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Re: Keyboard Shortcuts for PC and/or Mac for PanelPro... are there any?
The system default text edit context menu (Right mouse button) for text areas with the LCC windows under Linux are available. I presume these are available with DecoderPro. At Sun, 25 May 2025 12:51:23 -0700 "Gopal Patnaik via groups.io" <gopalpatnaik@...> wrote:
It would be really useful if cut/copy/paste shortcuts were available on the Mac for text fields. For example, in DecoderPro for function labels, which I have to type in from LokSound projects.
Gopal
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Re: LogixNG table editor and CSV question
#logixng
On Sun, May 25, 2025 at 09:59 PM, Dave Sand wrote:
Then I start PanelPro and the new CSV data will be loaded. ?Note: ?Once the table definition has been added to the LogixNG Table, subsequent xml data file loading will load the current CSV file. ?The table content is not stored in the layout data xml file. ?A reference to the CSV file name is stored.
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If I understand coorectly, every time Panel Pro is started, and the relevant .xml file is loaded, and there is a valid LogixNG Tables file, this file will load its source csv file including any modifications made prior to loading?
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Re: LogixNG table editor and CSV question
#logixng
Thank you Dave! That information is what?I need, it puts the whole thing in a broader perspective.
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Re: Keyboard Shortcuts for PC and/or Mac for PanelPro... are there any?
Gopal,
Have you tried using standard shortcuts to paste into text fields?
Dave Sand
----- Original message ----- Subject: Re: [jmriusers] Keyboard Shortcuts for PC and/or Mac for Panel Pro... are there any? Date: Sunday, May 25, 2025 2:51 PM
It would be really useful if cut/copy/paste shortcuts were available on the Mac for text fields. For example, in DecoderPro for function labels, which I have to type in from LokSound projects. ? Gopal
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Re: LogixNG table editor and CSV question
#logixng
There is no "correct" way. ?Whatever works is good enough.
I create the table using a spreadsheet, in my case Apple Numbers. ?That is saved as the master version. ?The spreadsheet export CSV option is used to create the comma separated CSV file. ?This is loaded using the "LogixNG Table" table with the comma option. ?
If changes are needed, I stop PanelPro. ?The spreadsheet is updated and exported as an updated CSV file. ?Then I start PanelPro and the new CSV data will be loaded. ?Note: ?Once the table definition has been added to the LogixNG Table, subsequent xml data file loading will load the current CSV file. ?The table content is not stored in the layout data xml file. ?A reference to the CSV file name is stored.
Dave Sand
----- Original message ----- Subject: Re: [jmriusers] LogixNG table editor and CSV question Date: Sunday, May 25, 2025 1:59 PM
@ Dave Sand : Should I export the Excell file as a CSV file? I save the Excell file as a text file, and then import in LogixNG Tables as a .txt file (with tab separations. ? What is "the correct" way?
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Giuseppe Di Biasi
Erik84750
Ken Cameron
Fred Dalzell