Maybe not a long term solution
“?The price doubles
every consecutive year, for a maximum of three years“
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On 14 Apr 2025, at 15:31, Ross Kudlick via groups.io <Ross_Kudlick@...> wrote:
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Perry (et. Al.),
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FYI – Microsoft is offering extended security support for WIN10 for at least 3 years.? The annual cost is $61 per device.? Here’s the MS article:
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HI:
A few days ago I asked a question?about upgrading to Win?11, but I have some reservations about doing so due?to risks of hardware compatibility. So I had a thought?about a way to keep Win10 without sacrificing security, but I don't know
if it will work. I use cell phones as throttles, so of course I need to be connected?to WiFi . If I were to get another?WiFi router?and set up a second?SSID that is local only (not connected?to the internet), and connect the cell phones to that WiFi router,
will this work for the cell?phone?throttles?? This would?allow?me to keep my Win 10 machine disconnected?to the internet, eliminating ant security threats.
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Hi Perry,
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I use remote desktop software from my Win 11 laptop to access (via WiFi or Ethernet) JMRI running on an older computer that is compatible with my DCC hardware.
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Perhaps that would provide enough security* for your needs?.
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Perry (et. Al.),
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FYI – Microsoft is offering extended security support for WIN10 for at least 3 years.? The annual cost is $61 per device.? Here’s the MS article:
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From: [email protected] <[email protected]>
On Behalf Of Perry Stephen via groups.io
Sent: Monday, April 14, 2025 10:21 AM
To: [email protected]
Subject: [jmriusers] Question about WiFi & JMRI
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HI:
A few days ago I asked a question?about upgrading to Win?11, but I have some reservations about doing so due?to risks of hardware compatibility. So I had a thought?about a way to keep Win10 without sacrificing security, but I don't know
if it will work. I use cell phones as throttles, so of course I need to be connected?to WiFi . If I were to get another?WiFi router?and set up a second?SSID that is local only (not connected?to the internet), and connect the cell phones to that WiFi router,
will this work for the cell?phone?throttles?? This would?allow?me to keep my Win 10 machine disconnected?to the internet, eliminating ant security threats.
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HI:
A few days ago I asked a question?about upgrading to Win?11, but I have some reservations about doing so due?to risks of hardware compatibility. So I had a thought?about a way to keep Win10 without sacrificing security, but I don't know if it will work. I use cell phones as throttles, so of course I need to be connected?to WiFi . If I were to get another?WiFi router?and set up a second?SSID that is local only (not connected?to the internet), and connect the cell phones to that WiFi router, will this work for the cell?phone?throttles?? This would?allow?me to keep my Win 10 machine disconnected?to the internet, eliminating ant security threats.
Thanks, Perry
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Re: Why are so many sections allocated?
Steve G,
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[I hope the basement didn't flood.]
I changed all the intermediate sections to false and in initial testing it works much better for me and like I'd expect.
However, in further testing I still have a similar issue.
Above are three separate (intermediate=false) sections ending at a ghost block turnout. How can I get dispatcher to only allocate up to the crossing as the first block/section is?
When I dispatcher train (allocate sections=2) it allocates 4 sections to the second turnout (HELD mast) in the transit.
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This allocation is a significant amount of track. How can I allocate just up to the level crossing mast and make this train wait at the crossing until clear?
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Changing virtualsignalmast[intermediateSignal=false] there was no obvious effect.
Changing virtualsignalmast[forwardMast=crossingmast] (was the turnout mast) there was no obvious effect.
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Thank you for your time and consideration. //stevemac
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Re: Trouble with Digitrax PR4 and DS74 switch controllers
#digitrax
On 4/14/2025 7:09 AM, m@... wrote: It was when I started using JMRI. The turnouts worked fine using the DS52 command station, DT602 throttle & the DSXCP1. There are probably two different problems that I can think of. Both are "Digitrax-specific" problems. One problem Digitrax users of JMRI have is turnout control problems. This is a generic problem, made somewhat more difficult by changes in the most-recent Digitrax command station designs. It has been discussed ,, in great detail, and with several different "solutions" depending on your railroad's needs, at: . The second problem is that the DSXPC1 LEDs can get "out of sync" with the controlled switch, _when any other mechanism_ is used to control the switch. The DSXCP1 _does not_ get any information on the switch's actual position. If you fiddle with a switch with a "throttle" or a software package, the DSXCP1 LED can become "wrong". This is a "feature" of the DS74/DS78V hardware. Discussion of this problem should not be taken up with the JMRI list. Instead, the problem should be taken up with Digitrax, who would have to re-design the DS74/DS78V/DSXCP1 !
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You should be able to build that non-standard stuff in the JMRI signal system.
I added modifications to AAR1946 to include semaphores.
Either you could modify a system that's close to your foreign system or build new from scratch.
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Re: Trouble with Digitrax PR4 and DS74 switch controllers
#digitrax
It was when I started using JMRI. The turnouts worked fine using the DS52 command station, DT602 throttle & the DSXCP1.
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Dan,
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I understand that, but these trains perform station switching in the middle of their route.? They are picking up sleepers left from other trains, diners that have been serviced and express reefers.? They need to be placed in the correct blocking order on the train and there is no information about the cars that arrived and where the added cars would be inserted.
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Could the blocking order be another optional field that can be printed like they type, length, etc that we already can choose?
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Greetings!
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Does anyone know if there are decoders on the market that can be programmed by the user to show non-standard aspects?
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I am about to build a non-american model railway where there are ready-made decoders for most but not all signals, and I would like to use off the shelf products wehenever possible.
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All feedback is welcome.
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Re: Using the same car(s) in two trains in the same Op session
#operationspro
John, for the SwitchList, at the Club, I always reset my Switchlists at the beginning of a session, then each build will add to it.? Only after all trains are built do I printout the Switchlist. So, each Yard has just one SwitchList and all the trains through the Yard are listed with all the cars.
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I use Automation in my building of trains, and with 28 trains to be run in an Ops Session, I separate them into four lines (actually 5, but the first is just to build and reset some trains to eliminate all Waits).? Arbitrarily named group A is the first group where I build 12 trains, update my SwitchLists (four Yards), then terminate seven of the trains that have been built.? In group B (second group), I build seven trains then update the SwitchLists, then terminate eight trains (some from group A, and some from group B).? My third step builds seven trains then updates the SwitchLists, then terminates? 11 (all unterminated trains from group A, group B, and group C).? The last step builds two and terminates them (of course, after updating the SwitchLists).? I do this to carefully control when cars are available for the next train, which is as soon as the train that they are assigned to gets terminated.? So for example, if I want a train in group B to pick up a car from a group A train, I have to terminate the A train before building the B train.? However, if I do not want a B train to pick up a car assigned to an A train (usually because the A train wouldn't yet be at the Yard where B is being built), I build B before terminating A.
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Incidentally, after an astute YardMaster showed me how he planned his Yard moves by looking through the SwitchList for any car that is on more than one train, I came up with a tool to use.? I designed an Excel spreadsheet that takes the SwitchList and sorts it by car number, time and train, then sorts it back to train order with notes ("Out on #45", and "From #89") to help the YardMaster be more responsive to cars that need to be sorted out of an incoming train to go out on another train.? I included three macros to do those steps. The screenshot below is from one Yard so the YardMaster can see that train 72 has four cars that will need to be shuffled immediately and the others can go to a storage area for next session
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Micheal,
LogixNG is described here:
I suggest you start with this page:
Dave Sand gave you an example of a simple LogixNG to do what you
want:
/g/jmriusers/message/241314
If something is unclear, feel free to ask. We are here to help
you.
Daniel
On 2025-04-13 21:45, Micheal Hodgson
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JMRI DecoderPro Version 5.10 NO support for QSI TItan Q3 Version 9 GE U50 Dual 16 FDL Sounds Product ID = 1144,
#definitions
1.? In attempt to create a Decoder Pro Version 5.10 Roster Entry to configure and manage a QSI Titan Q3 Version 9 Decoder with the GE U50 Dual 16FDL Prime Mover Sounds - Product ID 1144 - I realized that it is not supported.?
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The Roster command "Create New Loco" with selecting "Read Type From Decoder" is returning a list of decoder choices, none of which was the Dual FDL U50 Sound File (type/model/Product ID =1144).
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While at it:
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2.? The following is a list of QSI Q3 Version9 Sound File Product IDs that may fall in the same category of NOT being supported:
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a. Athearn GE U50 Dual 16 FDL Sounds Product ID : 1144? (already mentioned above)
b. GE U50? Dual 16 FDL Sounds Product ID : 1133
d. GE U50C Dual 12 FDL Sounds Product ID : 1128
e. EMD DDA40X Dual 16 645 Sounds Product ID : 1140
f. ALCO C855 Dual 16 251 Sounds Product ID : 1135
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g. GE Modern 7FDL16 Sounds Product ID : 1142
h. EMD Modern Diesel 710 Sounds Product ID : 1157
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3.? While the support for QSI FX-U F3 EMD567 Product ID : 1115? covers the DD35A and DD35B Dual EMD567 Prime Mover Sounds, the "Dual EMD567" is not Specifically included by name, and the choice might be missed.?
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It would be nice to have support for the above mentioned Product IDs..
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I haven’t admit I don’t even know what logix is. ?
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On Sun, Apr 13, 2025 at 02:34 PM, Dennis Coglianese wrote:
Is there a way to add this to the either?? I'm not sure what purpose this field serves if it's not printed so that crews can take action.
The train's Manifest shows the passenger cars in the blocking order you provide.
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Re: How to efficiently manipulate signal mast aspects?
Vince,
The residual LogixNG references are most likely in the LogixNG clipboard.
Go to "Tools -> Tables -> LogixNG". ?Select "Tools -> Open clipboard".
Remove each entry. ?If you have a lot of entries, use cmd R or ctrl R and enable "Remember this setting for next time" in the confirmation dialog. ?This a quick and easy way to empty the clipboard.
Dave Sand
----- Original message ----- Subject: Re: [jmriusers] How to efficiently manipulate signal mast aspects? Date: Sunday, April 13, 2025 2:01 PM
Dave, ? This works great! Just as I would hope it does. I could have sworn that I tried this first and did not get the "diverging" aspects when the crossover was thrown. Obviously I didn't - I have have done something wrong. I think that what's at play here is my superpower to attack relatively simple problems with unnecessarily complex solutions. Hate it when that happens. Thanks much for pointing this out. This is a ton simpler (no fake signals, no fake blocks with virtual sensors, no NGs to trigger virtual sensors with real sensors). Love it. ? I did run into one problem: unwinding the internal virtual signals. I couldn't delete them directly.? I received an error dialog about "In use by IQDE:AUTO:004"). Looked like NG nodes behind the scenes so I deleted my NGs. Still couldn't delete. I deleted the icons. Still no good. I remembered somewhere in the docs that some dependencies are regenerated on startup so I saved the data, exited PanelPro, and re-entered. On entry, I get a dialog about LogixNG Parent Errors and that the orphans had been moved to the LogixNG clipboard. The console log shows a couple of items that it was not happy about: ? ? These appear to be a couple of remnants of the two NGs I deleted to serve the two virtual signals.? ? In the end, I am still able to move forward as I just tested your configuration by going back to an earlier rev in my development before I started putting signals in. But, for the future, I would like to be sure not to screw up my internals trees. This appears to be related to the NGs I added and not just adding/deleting signals after previously doing "Discover"s. Is there a specific process or sequence I should be following? ? thanks, Vince
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Re: How to efficiently manipulate signal mast aspects?
Thanks, BillyBob. I had no idea this capability existed. Although I looks like I won't need this for the problem I posted (Dave pointed out that I made it needlessly complicated), I definitely have a couple of other areas where repeating the signal for fascia controls will use this.
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Re: How to efficiently manipulate signal mast aspects?
Dave,
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This works great! Just as I would hope it does. I could have sworn that I tried this first and did not get the "diverging" aspects when the crossover was thrown. Obviously I didn't - I have have done something wrong. I think that what's at play here is my superpower to attack relatively simple problems with unnecessarily complex solutions. Hate it when that happens. Thanks much for pointing this out. This is a ton simpler (no fake signals, no fake blocks with virtual sensors, no NGs to trigger virtual sensors with real sensors). Love it.
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I did run into one problem: unwinding the internal virtual signals. I couldn't delete them directly.? I received an error dialog about "In use by IQDE:AUTO:004"). Looked like NG nodes behind the scenes so I deleted my NGs. Still couldn't delete. I deleted the icons. Still no good. I remembered somewhere in the docs that some dependencies are regenerated on startup so I saved the data, exited PanelPro, and re-entered. On entry, I get a dialog about LogixNG Parent Errors and that the orphans had been moved to the LogixNG clipboard. The console log shows a couple of items that it was not happy about:
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These appear to be a couple of remnants of the two NGs I deleted to serve the two virtual signals.?
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In the end, I am still able to move forward as I just tested your configuration by going back to an earlier rev in my development before I started putting signals in. But, for the future, I would like to be sure not to screw up my internals trees. This appears to be related to the NGs I added and not just adding/deleting signals after previously doing "Discover"s. Is there a specific process or sequence I should be following?
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Vince
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I have several passenger trains that perform switching at a station along the route.? These passenger trains have a mix of coaches, sleepers, diners, baggage, express reefers and express box cars.? To help my crews assemble these cars in the correct order when adding and removing cars, I've added the blocking order to the care type.
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I thought this would be available to print on manifests and switchlists so the crew would see them and get the cars in the correct order, but I don't see the option to add them to the manifest/switchlist.??
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Is there a way to add this to the either?? I'm not sure what purpose this field serves if it's not printed so that crews can take action.
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Dennis Coglianese
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An alternitive to dual booting (which can be "inconvient" sometimes), is to use virtual machines (eg Virtual Box, etc.). At Sun, 13 Apr 2025 09:30:35 -0400 "jimalbanowski via groups.io" <jimalbanowski@...> wrote:
Perry:
I'm assuming that if you're being nagged to update it it has passed the
check that in can be updated... The extra security of a TPM 2.0 option
in your CPU and BIOS.
Is this a model railroad only PC? If so "air gaping" that is taking it
off the net will let you keep going with it. JMRI updates can be
downloaded on another machine, copied and installed on the Win10 box.
I'm running a lot of Win11 machines and I'm not happy with some of
changes MS has made but so far no hardware I use has fallen off...
One alternative if this machine needs to stay on the net there's the
possibility of doing what I do on many machines I build for me and my
friends... Add a dual boot with Linux for JMRI... Bring it to Win11 and
then add the Linux...
Sounds scary but a Linux like Mint is very Windows like and quite stable
and very happy with a lot of older hardware. There are a couple issues
like desktop lanuchers that are not as easy for a beginner but help is
here in the group...
Jim Albanowski
-- Robert Heller -- Cell: 413-658-7953 GV: 978-633-5364 Deepwoods Software -- Custom Software Services -- Linux Administration Services heller@... -- Webhosting Services
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