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Re: Full write of stored CVs to restore corrupted decoder

 

The fact that this is affecting 2 locomotives indicates that the problem is not anything to do with the decoders in the locomotives, so as Nigel mentioned above, I don't recommend resetting the decoders or overwriting any settings..? Something has changed since you speed-matched the locomotives.? You need to identify what that change was.? It does feel like something to do with consists.??
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Re: Full write of stored CVs to restore corrupted decoder

 

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Before you even try to go round "resetting" or "replacing every setting",? start to analyse why they don't move.?

Likely reasons are that their is a "consist" involved - either set in the command station, or set in the decoders.? (As to which, depends on the systems you're using).? ?Check for both, and clear them - for the command station look at the manuals for your system, for the decoders, read CV19 and if not zero, set to zero.??


- Nigel



------ Original Message ------
From "Neil Kryder via groups.io" <neilkryder@...>
Date 24/04/2025 13:58:13
Subject [jmriusers] Full write of stored CVs to restore corrupted decoder

I returned to my layout after a lengthy vacation and attempted to Start running a pair of locomotives that I had successfully speed managed to speed match, and found that neither loco would move. The track and wheels are not dirty. The start-up sounds work, and lighting, horn, and bell commands all work.

I am wondering if I can over write motor and speed settings stored in decoder pro. If so, what is the process?
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Neil of Bird Town Minnesota -
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Full write of stored CVs to restore corrupted decoder

 

I returned to my layout after a lengthy vacation and attempted to Start running a pair of locomotives that I had successfully speed managed to speed match, and found that neither loco would move. The track and wheels are not dirty. The start-up sounds work, and lighting, horn, and bell commands all work.

I am wondering if I can over write motor and speed settings stored in decoder pro. If so, what is the process?
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Neil of Bird Town Minnesota -
Coffeeville Line
Re: Disconnect between signal aspect showing on JMRI and ACTUAL signal aspect on layout #nce

 

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Nimble,

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One thing I should have asked was which configuration did you have the Light-It using? My memory seems to say that using it via the signal aspect method is the more reliable way to use it. That means one appearance is one aspect using a single command per board. I recall that when configured as an accessory decoder, and two commands to the same board go out back to back, it tends to miss the second command.

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Others may have a better memory of possible solutions.

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By the ‘NCE List’ I meant the user list on groups.io for NCE. /g/NCE-DCC

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-Ken Cameron, Member JMRI Dev Team

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Re: LogixNG class based show/hide and enable/disable for Senor icons requires web page refresh #layouteditor #logixng

 

Thanks Dave

I like your suggestion about using font = background. I've now moved to a 3 state approach where I use unknown as the 'hidden' state. Inactive means available and active is 'in progress.

One aspect I did find was that if I made the unknown state an empty string this did what was expected when set to that state, but then it was not possible to EVER get the button to display any text again whatever the state - it remained blank. Looking at the xml I found the sensoricon had text = "". If I edited the xml and put any text in this, the sensor then worked again.

Moral of the story seems to be don't have blank strings in the states' text fields, certainly for unknown or inconsistent. I didn't try it for the active/inactive fields as they are in use.

Andy
Re: Disconnect between signal aspect showing on JMRI and ACTUAL signal aspect on layout #nce

 

On Wed, Apr 23, 2025 at 08:46 PM, Nimble Knumblebum wrote:


I'm not sure what you mean by 'NCE list'
/g/NCE-DCC

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Re: Disconnect between signal aspect showing on JMRI and ACTUAL signal aspect on layout #nce

 

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Say Ken, I'm not sure what you mean by 'NCE list'?

Regards,

Nimble


On 23/04/2025 9:14 pm, Ken Cameron wrote:

Nimble,

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Only think I’ve heard that might fit this is that if the commands to the Light-It come too fast, it will see the first command and miss the second command. I’ve not seen it myself but have heard it happen to so. There were comments, either here or on the NCE list, and I recall some solution was found. Around six months ago, I think.

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-Ken Cameron, Member JMRI Dev Team

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Re: Disconnect between signal aspect showing on JMRI and ACTUAL signal aspect on layout #nce

 

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Hi Ken,

Thanks for taking the time to reply to my JMRI user group request.?

What you say appears to be the case: for when a train moves from one sensor [track block] to the next, often several 'commands' are issued by the JMRI logic almost simultaneously; for example, Signal A goes 'red', signal B goes amber, Sig C goes 'clear'.?

Often it is the 'to amber' event that is missed.

I've just sent a query to the NCE Information Station.

I've spent a fair bit of $ and time setting all this up only to run into this issue.?

On 23/04/2025 9:14 pm, Ken Cameron wrote:

Nimble,

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Only think I’ve heard that might fit this is that if the commands to the Light-It come too fast, it will see the first command and miss the second command. I’ve not seen it myself but have heard it happen to so. There were comments, either here or on the NCE list, and I recall some solution was found. Around six months ago, I think.

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-Ken Cameron, Member JMRI Dev Team

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Re: HELP! Power unknown issue with JMRI - Trying to use wifi throttle with JMRI and NCE power cab

 

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The JMRI power button does not know if the track power is on or off. It’s does communicate through the command station to control the power state and receive a confirmation.?

The actual power on / off control is somewhere between the command station and the booster of various brand ?devices. NCEs ph-pro does it by shutting down the output on the command bus going to the booster. The PowerCab can’t do that. External boosters attach at the PC’s track output.?

As for issues with WiThrottle server connections/ control, I can’t help you. There are others on here much more qualified.?

John ?Bauchiero
- NCE PH-Pro & PowerCab, RasPi4, DCC-EX
- JMRI 5.11.4, Java 17.0.12

On Apr 23, 2025, at 5:57?PM, UP-Railroad 844 via groups.io <massimof4033@...> wrote:

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i may very well be.?
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Like i said im not sure whats going on or how exactly how to do this
Re: Multiple RFID tags in one block

 

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Jerry
no not on Git or anywhere currently public.? ?If you want to try the current version, I could mail it.?

It really needs some tidying, and more documentation so people can edit it to suit their use.? Which I plan to get into JMRI at some point.??
As it stands, it was for a particular demonstration track showing RFID on cars at a train show.?
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The simple version just needs the "reporters" which have user-names ("block") which receive tag reports, and records them in the IDTag table. It runs from the JMRI Webserver.? ??
(? Though I use the term "block" I'm not using the data structure of "block" from PanelPro - my "block" is only in the webpage, and the user-name of the Reporter.? ? )
The more complicated version connects with OperationsPro.??

The simpler page currently does useful things such as:

Locations (blocks) are positioned on the webpage by coordinates, so can be positioned anywhere on the webpage.? A background graphic can be loaded, and items are displayed over that graphic.? (Typically a layout diagram, but could be any graphic).??
When a car passes a reporter, it is added to the?left or right of existing cars in the block, appropriate to illustrate train order (depends on which way a train moves over the reader).??
A block can have readers at both ends, so can add a car to either left or right, depending which reader is passed.? ?If a block has two readers, or if a car passes the reader in the block for a second time, it does not duplicate the car in that block.??
Clears a car from a block when it reports and displays in another block (including any block not displayed on the webpage).?
Can have a folder containing images of cars, and display those in the relevant block instead or as well as text such as the IDTag User-name.? (Assumes images are a standard size, and have filename matching the User-name).??




- Nigel


------ Original Message ------
From "JerryG via groups.io" <jerryg2003@...>
Date 23/04/2025 13:41:46
Subject Re: [jmriusers] Multiple RFID tags in one block

Nigel -
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Your web pages sound very interesting. ?Would they be available on Git or somewhere to try?
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Torgrim -
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See also the RFID group: groups.io/g/RFID4MRR
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Jerry
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Re: HELP! Power unknown issue with JMRI - Trying to use wifi throttle with JMRI and NCE power cab

 

i may very well be.?
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Like i said im not sure whats going on or how exactly how to do this
Re: HELP! Power unknown issue with JMRI - Trying to use wifi throttle with JMRI and NCE power cab

 

Are you confusing track power on with starting the WiThrottle server?
That’s under Actions.

Mick
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Re: Reading CVs #zimo #mxulf

 

I can confirm the strange behavior of the MXULF. The first time a CV is read, the previously read value is displayed. Only when a CV is read twice is the correct value displayed. I know that it worked at an earlier time. I have since carried out a firmware update on the MXULFA. Maybe this is the reason for the strange behavior.
Perhaps someone still has an MXULF with an earlier version and can carry out a read test with it.
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JMRI 5.11.4
Java 11.0.13
MXULF?00.84.112
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Re: HELP! Power unknown issue with JMRI - Trying to use wifi throttle with JMRI and NCE power cab

 

After testing the throttle on panel pro. I experienced something very odd.?
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As usual, the power button (that is labeled layout power State) is still yellow and says: layout power State unknown. Click to turn off.?
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Now on the panel pro tab, the power button is basically unresponsive as I've tried numerous times to click on it to turn on to try to use the Wi-Fi.
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Now on the throttle, there's that same power button, which again was unresponsive. This however changed after doing certain steps.?
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I tried clicking on the power button after I tested the throttle with the locomotive I had on my layout and nothing happened. I did happen to then click on one of the function buttons after and noticed that the power button then turned red to the off position. I thought that was odd so I clicked on the power button again to try to see if it turned on (green) but it only turned back to yellow.?
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I then clicked on a function button once again to try to test the sequence again but upon pressing the power it actually turned green to the on position. I also happen to still have the panel pro server screen still open to which the power button on. There was also changing and corresponding with the one on the throttle. Now I didn't test it, but I'm hoping that the server at least turned on like the power button is indicating.
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I tested the sequence a couple times and the same thing happened every time.
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Now I'm not sure what's going on. Is it working? Is something still kind of messed up? So far this is the only way that I've been able to get the power button to change at all (on or off). This would be a really odd way to have to turn on the Wi-Fi every single time.?
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Re: HELP! Power unknown issue with JMRI - Trying to use wifi throttle with JMRI and NCE power cab

 

When starting panel pro I do get the connected message on the splash -
active profile: My jmri railroad
nce: USB on com4
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The order in which I did things was turn on the layout with all connections to the board plugged in except for the USB end into the computer. Once the layout was on and had power, I plugged in the USB into the computer and then opened panel pro. (Just adding this because I'm not sure if the order of connections matter).
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All functions work as normal using the power cab and when using a controller through panelpro everything worked fine as well.
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I have the Wi-Fi throttle app on an Android phone. After setting up the app, I can see my railroad server on it. My issue however is I can't turn on the server so I cannot connect my phone to the railroad and thus cannot use the Wi-Fi controller (my phone).
Re: HELP! Power unknown issue with JMRI - Trying to use wifi throttle with JMRI and NCE power cab

 

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I forgot to mention the soft power switch on JMRI, even with the auto switch on the PowerCab, can NOT control track power. It’s not an option. ?

John ?Bauchiero
- NCE PH-Pro & PowerCab, RasPi4, DCC-EX
- JMRI 5.11.4, Java 17.0.12

On Apr 23, 2025, at 11:32?AM, John Bauchiero via groups.io <john4dhmr@...> wrote:

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As far as I know. Only the ph-pro has the on/off option. The powercab needs the auto switch to turn off track power by diverting power to another output (Program Track).?

John ?Bauchiero
- NCE PH-Pro & PowerCab, RasPi4, DCC-EX
- JMRI 5.11.4, Java 17.0.12

On Apr 23, 2025, at 7:34?AM, Ken Cameron via groups.io <kcameron@...> wrote:

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My memory says that NCE doesn’t have a track power on/off option. Shifting in and out of programming mode will turnoff track power while programming. But that’s not like a number of other systems.

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-Ken Cameron, Member JMRI Dev Team

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Re: HELP! Power unknown issue with JMRI - Trying to use wifi throttle with JMRI and NCE power cab

 

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As far as I know. Only the ph-pro has the on/off option. The powercab needs the auto switch to turn off track power by diverting power to another output (Program Track).?

John ?Bauchiero
- NCE PH-Pro & PowerCab, RasPi4, DCC-EX
- JMRI 5.11.4, Java 17.0.12

On Apr 23, 2025, at 7:34?AM, Ken Cameron via groups.io <kcameron@...> wrote:

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My memory says that NCE doesn’t have a track power on/off option. Shifting in and out of programming mode will turnoff track power while programming. But that’s not like a number of other systems.

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-Ken Cameron, Member JMRI Dev Team

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Re: Multiple RFID tags in one block

 

Nigel -
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Your web pages sound very interesting. ?Would they be available on Git or somewhere to try?
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Torgrim -
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See also the RFID group: groups.io/g/RFID4MRR
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Jerry
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Re: Ghost Block Issue? #signalmasts #autotrain #blocks

 

I built a scheme prior to "Ghost Block" with a virtual block and debounce timing that works the same way.
I had the same issue.
I solved at "safe section" meeting points using a virtual sensor for "Allocation Hold" specified in the current transit step of the waiting train.
I used LogixNG to control the "Allocation Hold" sensor.
Whenever the "Ghost" or my "turnout occupied" sensor is active, the "Allocation Hold" is set active.
When the "Ghost" or my "turnout occupied" sensor goes inactive, LogixNG makes "Allocation Hold" inactive after a five second delay.
"Allocation Hold" will prevent allocation and thus the turnout action until cleared.
The caveat is that "don't stop the train with the last car within the turnout's fouling point".
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Re: HELP! Power unknown issue with JMRI - Trying to use wifi throttle with JMRI and NCE power cab

 

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My memory says that NCE doesn’t have a track power on/off option. Shifting in and out of programming mode will turnoff track power while programming. But that’s not like a number of other systems.

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-Ken Cameron, Member JMRI Dev Team

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