On Sep 1, 2019, at 5:18 PM, Peter Rushworth <peter@...> wrote:

Hi,

I have been running PanelPro for several years and have found a couple of errors when I look at the System Console. ?In particular the following is?reported in the System Console:
2019-09-02 09:54:10,584 automat.Siglet ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?ERROR - Siglet start invoked for "LH29 South A2 4ABlockBossLogic", but no inputs provided?[AWT-EventQueue-0]
2019-09-02 09:54:10,606 automat.Siglet ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?ERROR - Siglet start invoked for "LH25 West Sidings C 4ABlockBossLogic", but no inputs?provided [AWT-EventQueue-0]

and:
2019-09-02 09:54:10,614 configurexml.ErrorHandler ? ? ? ? ? ? ERROR - Unexpected error (Exception) while?load(/Users/peterrushworth/Desktop/My_JMRI_Railroad/7July2016.xml) in adaptor of type jmri.managers.configurexml.DefaultRouteManagerXml?Exception: java.lang.StringIndexOutOfBoundsException: String index out of range: 4
See for possibly more information. [AWT-EventQueue-0]
java.lang.StringIndexOutOfBoundsException: String index out of range: 4

Not being a software expert I don't know the meaning of "automat.siglet' and the "BlockBossLogic" statement that no inputs are provided. However the?signals appear to work correctly, ie when a switch is changed or the track is occupied. (I use a Digtrax system with BDL168's for occupancy detection.)

The second problem is the Exception: java.lang.StringIndexOutOfBounds for adaptor type jmri.managers.configurexml.DefaultRouteManagerXML. I?cannot find any reference to jmri.managers.configurexml.DefaultRouteManagerXml ?in my Panel File. ?I have loaded the Panel File to the Files List. See?File 7July2016.xml

Can anybody please help me understand the errors in my File.

Thanks.
Peter Rushworth
New Zealand

On Sep 1, 2019, at 12:36 PM, Dave Sand <ds@...> wrote:

Steve,

To get the new panel loaded, I had change two entries for?No Entry UP:

? ? ? <inactive url="preference:resources/Vsensorgreen.gif" degrees="0" scale="1.0">
? ? ? ? <rotation>0</rotation>
? ? ? </inactive>
? ? ? <unknown url="preference:resources/Vsensoridle.gif" degrees="0" scale="1.0">
? ? ? ? <rotation>0</rotation>
? ? ? </unknown>

They had?program:resources/icons/misc?in the path.

Item 2: ?With 4.17.3, you can change block names.
Item 4: ?I re-generated the SML and I don’t find any errors. Is there a specific pair that is causing problems?
Item 7: ?SML auto generation is totally dependent on block routing.

I have uploaded a fixed xml file using 4.17.3, to my folder: ?AFarfelu16Fadj1 DS.xml

I have not looked at the dispatcher issues since I have only played a bit in that area.


Dave Sand

On Sep 1, 2019, at 11:34 AM, bluetobits <steve.lomax@...> wrote:


I've had a few parse errors in the past. Usually needed to revert to a previous version and rebuild but this one loads for me ok,
It seems quite a few are having issues with automation. I've been trying for over a year now and invested a lot of time on it, I have had some success?but usually fails allocating blocks after a few circuits or passes a red light. I suspect most use scripting to get automation to work, and I regret not?spending that time learning this approach.?

The layout file is?
AFarfelu16Fadj1.xml?
the resources.zip file just contains a few images I've used as sensor icons in the layout.
and both files can be found here:
/g/jmriusers/files/ProblemsBeingWorkedOn/Steve%20UK%20009
Here is a list of things which would have helped a great deal if I knew from the outset.?
? Solid and reliable block designation is vital
? avoid changing the names of blocks, or indeed anything. The name change does not always carry throughout JMRI.
? every block along the automated route needs an occupancy sensor. A simulated virtual sensor will do. but some real ones are essential. I use?momentary infra red track sensors which in-turn trigger a virtual occupancy sensor.?
? JMRI must internally generate SML (signal mast logic) which must be rock solid along the automated route . The problem I have at present is?that the generated logic is not correct.
? signals only need to be placed at locations that you need them. the last signal will protect all blocks and turnouts between itself and it's paired?signal.
? SML can be auto generated if sufficient signals are correctly placed on the layout.?
? Block logic and signal mast logic are generated independently and may not be the same.
? Simple Signal Logic does not help automation whatsoever and is a 'red herring'.
? Dispatcher and Warrants are two independent systems which bear no relation to each other.
? section direction refers to the sequence that blocks are traversed through the section irrespective of the train direction.
? forward and reverse sensors are virtual and are generated and triggered by the software to report the direction a train is passing ?through a?section. This refers to the direction of travel through the section, not the direction of travel of the train. these can be used in logix for such things as?end of line sensing etc, but otherwise may be ignored.
? Forward and reverse sensors are I believe, for setting the stop point of a train within a section if the next signal or turnout is against it. Omission??of a stop ?sensor will cause the train to stop as it enters the block. It may be possible to cheat this with careful settings of block and train length. I am?yet to get this far with automation.
? a transit must be built from sections to generate the route a train may be assigned to. Only one transit may be active at a time.
? Automatic trains follow a combination of block speeds, turnout speeds, ?signal speeds and ?transit set speeds. It is difficult to determine why the?train speed ?changes along the transit route.
? For some reason within my layout, the default signal speed for passing a red light is 15% throttle.
? If a block already allocated to a train is occupied by another train, that block cannot be re-allocated when later unoccupied. The auto train will?then fail. This makes auto running two trains running opposite directions with passing loops on the same line difficult.
? the help files say that turning loops cannot be automated. I learned that it is possible by splitting the loop into 3 blocks and setting the block?order within the section. It works for my lower loop but I cant yet get it to properly work for my upper loop.
I hope some of these help
Good luck


Steve Lomax


--?
Steve 009 in UK

On Sep 1, 2019, at 3:44 PM, Frank Kenny CPRX Model Railroad <cprxmodelrr@...> wrote:

Hello,

We have multiple old panels that are loading once we fire up JMRI. Something in these old panels are "fighting" or conflicting with the new panel we are creating. We want to permanently delete these old panels to clean up the system and eliminate these conflicts that are occurring.

We have deleted these (or thought we did) many times, only to have them reappear when JMRI is re-started. What are we missing here? How can we get rid of these old panels for good?

Thanks for your help in advance.
Frank Kenny
310-344-9145

On Sep 1, 2019, at 11:34 AM, bluetobits <steve.lomax@...> wrote:


I've had a few parse errors in the past. Usually needed to revert to a previous version and rebuild but this one loads for me ok,
It seems quite a few are having issues with automation. I've been trying for over a year now and invested a lot of time on it, I have had some success?but usually fails allocating blocks after a few circuits or passes a red light. I suspect most use scripting to get automation to work, and I regret not?spending that time learning this approach.?

The layout file is?
AFarfelu16Fadj1.xml?
the resources.zip file just contains a few images I've used as sensor icons in the layout.
and both files can be found here:
/g/jmriusers/files/ProblemsBeingWorkedOn/Steve%20UK%20009
Here is a list of things which would have helped a great deal if I knew from the outset.?

? Solid and reliable block designation is vital

? avoid changing the names of blocks, or indeed anything. The name change does not always carry throughout JMRI.

? every block along the automated route needs an occupancy sensor. A simulated virtual sensor will do. but some real ones are essential. I use?momentary infra red track sensors which in-turn trigger a virtual occupancy sensor.?

? JMRI must internally generate SML (signal mast logic) which must be rock solid along the automated route . The problem I have at present is?that the generated logic is not correct.

? signals only need to be placed at locations that you need them. the last signal will protect all blocks and turnouts between itself and it's paired?signal.

? SML can be auto generated if sufficient signals are correctly placed on the layout.?

? Block logic and signal mast logic are generated independently and may not be the same.

? Simple Signal Logic does not help automation whatsoever and is a 'red herring'.

? Dispatcher and Warrants are two independent systems which bear no relation to each other.

? section direction refers to the sequence that blocks are traversed through the section irrespective of the train direction.

? forward and reverse sensors are virtual and are generated and triggered by the software to report the direction a train is passing ?through a?section. This refers to the direction of travel through the section, not the direction of travel of the train. these can be used in logix for such things?as end of line sensing etc, but otherwise may be ignored.

? Forward and reverse sensors are I believe, for setting the stop point of a train within a section if the next signal or turnout is against it. Omission??of a stop ?sensor will cause the train to stop as it enters the block. It may be possible to cheat this with careful settings of block and train length. I?am yet to get this far with automation.

? a transit must be built from sections to generate the route a train may be assigned to. Only one transit may be active at a time.

? Automatic trains follow a combination of block speeds, turnout speeds, ?signal speeds and ?transit set speeds. It is difficult to determine why the?train speed ?changes along the transit route.

? For some reason within my layout, the default signal speed for passing a red light is 15% throttle.

? If a block already allocated to a train is occupied by another train, that block cannot be re-allocated when later unoccupied. The auto train will?then fail. This makes auto running two trains running opposite directions with passing loops on the same line difficult.

? the help files say that turning loops cannot be automated. I learned that it is possible by splitting the loop into 3 blocks and setting the block?order within the section. It works for my lower loop but I cant yet get it to properly work for my upper loop.

I hope some of these help
Good luck


Steve Lomax


--?
Steve 009 in UK