Robert,
Just a few questions on your process. 1. What type of DCC system ? 2. How is it connected to the computer system. (Locobuffer USB for Digitrax or PR ? from Digitrax) or a PB100 from NCE. 3. If it is a Digitrax wimp system with low programming output, are you using the necessary programming track booster. 4. Have you disabled the "decoder talk-back" CV ? If not, the decoder will try to verbally repeat the CV and the following CVs will not get programmed. 5. If you are trying to program a 4-digit address, simply write that into CV 18. 6. What TYPE of BLI decoder ? Is it the OEM QSI decoder, The failure Blue-line from BLI, or one of the newer Paragon versions made by BLI ?
These are important information. Anyone trying to answer your question without basic info is not helping .
====================== HOW to ask your question ======================
One of the most common questions about JMRI is "How do I get it to work?". This isn't really a problem with JMRI itself in most cases, but there are HUGE numbers of possible configurations for DCC systems, and Windows, Linux, and Mac computers out there. Just asking "How do I get it to work" is NOT going to get you any useful help.?
When asking ANY question, you should utilize a meaningful subject line that indicates? the problem and include the following information in the body of the message:
+ If JMRI has started copy and paste the System Console into the body. (its under help on the start screen) + Has JMRI worked before on this computer? + Computer make and model ? + if you have just upgraded, from? which version + Any other DCC devices in use + Specific details of your difficulty including error messages if any,?
Depending on the nature of the problem, you may need to supply even more information, but this is the absolute required for anyone to give you accurate answers.?
Signing you post helps keep the group friendly and personable!
Please supply the required info for accurate answers.
Regards, Nick Kulp
? "I'm not a failure. I started at the bottom and I found it easily attainable. Life is too short to set unattainable goals"- Nick Kulp
Last knight a club member came to me with a Broadway ltd Pennsy K4 and I put it on the program track, It read as short address 174, correct long address but with short bulleted I corrected that and read the decoder all CV¡¯s, saved then it would not find it in the list and came back with short address (I had saved bulleted and wrote long)? redid the whole thing still would not find in list and then we went to the regular track and it had changed not only the short but also the long address as something completely different, made me look real stupid to the member who was kind about it but was really frustrating. ? Any thoughts on what I did wrong? ? Robert J. Richter 283 Elm Street North Reading, MA 01864 ?
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Two examples: If the system letter is M, then: *) MTfoo/bar/biff/21/mine is a turnout that uses foo/bar/biff/21/mine as the MQTT topic *) MSrailroad/stuff/notMentioningSensorsHere/yardOSwest is a sensor that uses railroad/stuff/notMentioningSensorsHere/yardOSwest as the MQTT topic Etc. The first letter (optionally followed by digits) is the system prefix; the following T/S/R/L defines the type, and all that follows is the specific topic for that item. Bob On Jan 8, 2019, at 4:00 PM, Dave <davemc@...> wrote:
Bob mentioned "system names should include a complete, unconstrained topic path (without wildcards)."
-- Bob Jacobsen rgj1927@...
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From: Classic Auto Portraits
Date: Wed, 09 Jan 2019 09:32:45 PST Dear Mark, et. all,
I have a Digitrax DCS240 command station, with an isolated programming track. I have constant issues attempting to program BLI locomotives using JMRI.
Many will not recognize, read or write at all using JMRI.
Regards,
Robert Diepenbrock ? Again, this has nothing to do with JMRI. You probably have the same problems if you bypass JMRI and use your Digitrax throttle to program the loco. Have you tried reading a CV with your throttle to see if it works? ? Mark Granville ? If you are able to successfully program with your throttle, then it may mean there is a need for the JMRI coders to upgrade the DCS240 interface. Be sure you are using the most recent version of JMRI. ? Mark Granville
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Re: DCC++ Audrino current detection and block detection and colour light signalling. DIY Style
On Wed, Jan 9, 2019 at 10:19 AM, Kevin wrote:
Hi David
?
I¡¯m a UK modeller too, and a JMRI user. I¡¯m struggling to work out why you are looking at DCC++ on an arduino when you already have a?Dijikeijs DR5000. The DR5000 will act as the DCC signal supply and will connect directly to a PC running JMRI. The DR5000 already supports various feedback systems so all you need to add will be appropriate feedback detectors to whichever feedback system takes your fancy. I may be wrong here, but I?don¡¯t think the DCC++ solution supports a feedback bus.
?
Block detection is expensive¡The DR4088?isn¡¯t a bad option though, giving 16 channels for around ?50.
?
Another option that might reduce costs is using the Megapoints system for both turnout control and feedback. I¡¯m guessing that since you are planning a loft layout it?won¡¯t be small¡¡.lots of turnouts, blocks and signals? Megapoints can handle 192 turnouts or signals from a single DCC module, and also has a 192 channel feedback system. The feedback currently doesn¡¯t interface to JMRI, but a new computer control module is very close to release. Overall the?mega points?system?isn¡¯t cheap, but on a large layout can reduce the unit cost of powering turnouts and signals.?4 aspect colour lights might be a bit of a challenge. I¡¯m using?mega points to drive UK semaphore signals, but extending this to 4 aspect?·É´Ç³Ü±ô»å²Ô¡¯³Ù be straightforward. However Dave Fenton at Megapoints may have something up his sleeve so its always worth asking him.
?
Have you explored the TrainTech 4 aspect signal system? This would give you an easy route to a working signalling system, but?·É´Ç³Ü±ô»å²Ô¡¯³Ù?report the?signal setting or occupancy to JMRi.
?
Kevin
?Hi Kevin, Many thanks for your reply. I didn't get the Dijikeijs or Digitrax? stuff for Christmas. Santa didn't like me! Hence why I was trying to see if there were Audrino projects that would do a similar job and be cheaper as budget will be a factor sadly for me. I have seen some stuff at Megapoints so will definitely look them up and have a chat. I'm certainly finding out more and more all the time. With Audrino I saw so much online that I was surprised as yet I have not found any block detection or 4 aspect signalling projects of yet. I wanted to be able to drive trains why others were automated hence wanting a system that reported these.
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From: Classic Auto Portraits
Date: Wed, 09 Jan 2019 09:32:45 PST Dear Mark, et. all,
I have a Digitrax DCS240 command station, with an isolated programming track. I have constant issues attempting to program BLI locomotives using JMRI.
Many will not recognize, read or write at all using JMRI.
Regards,
Robert Diepenbrock ? Again, this has nothing to do with JMRI. You probably have the same problems if you bypass JMRI and use your Digitrax throttle to program the loco. Have you tried reading a CV with your throttle to see if it works? ? Mark Granville
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Re: DCC++ Audrino current detection and block detection and colour light signalling. DIY Style
Hi David
I¡¯m a UK modeller too, and a JMRI user. I¡¯m struggling to work out why you are looking at DCC++ on an arduino when you already have a?Dijikeijs DR5000. The DR5000 will act as the DCC signal supply and will connect directly to a PC running JMRI. The DR5000 already supports various feedback systems so all you need to add will be appropriate feedback detectors to whichever feedback system takes your fancy. I may be wrong here, but I?don¡¯t think the DCC++ solution supports a feedback bus.
Block detection is expensive¡The DR4088?isn¡¯t a bad option though, giving 16 channels for around ?50.
Another option that might reduce costs is using the Megapoints system for both turnout control and feedback. I¡¯m guessing that since you are planning a loft layout it?won¡¯t be small¡¡.lots of turnouts, blocks and signals? Megapoints can handle 192 turnouts or signals from a single DCC module, and also has a 192 channel feedback system. The feedback currently doesn¡¯t interface to JMRI, but a new computer control module is very close to release. Overall the?mega points?system?isn¡¯t cheap, but on a large layout can reduce the unit cost of powering turnouts and signals.?4 aspect colour lights might be a bit of a challenge. I¡¯m using?mega points to drive UK semaphore signals, but extending this to 4 aspect?·É´Ç³Ü±ô»å²Ô¡¯³Ù be straightforward. However Dave Fenton at Megapoints may have something up his sleeve so its always worth asking him.
Have you explored the TrainTech 4 aspect signal system? This would give you an easy route to a working signalling system, but?·É´Ç³Ü±ô»å²Ô¡¯³Ù?report the?signal setting or occupancy to JMRi.
Kevin
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I've got a number of BLI engines and no problems programming them using JMRI.? I'm using a Digitrax DCS100 command station with an isolated programming track with a PowerPax programming booster attached.? The only time I have a problem is if the PowerPax is switched out of the circuit, which I need to do when programming Tsunami2 or Econami decoders.? I assume that the Soundtraxx PTB 100 would work just as well.
David Witman
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I totally agree with Bruce, get a Soundtraxx PTB 100, for your programing track. Money well spent.?
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On Jan 9, 2019, at 12:32 PM, Classic Auto Portraits < classicautoportraits@...> wrote:
Dear Mark, et. all,
I have a Digitrax DCS240 command station, with an isolated
programming track. I have constant issues attempting to program BLI
locomotives using JMRI.
Many will not recognize, read or write at all using JMRI.
Regards,
Robert Diepenbrock
On 1/9/19 10:24 AM, Mark Granville
wrote:
From:
Classic
Auto Portraits
Date: Wed, 09 Jan 2019 08:35:59 PST
Dear
Robert,
This seems to be a problem encountered often with many
owners of BLI locomotives. I own a number of BLI N Scale
locomotives, both steam and diesels. BLI locos are
notoriously poor in their response to JMRI. I've contacted
BLI Tech Support regarding this and their stance is that
JMRI is not an NMRA system.? I've been told that using a "Burst Module" to up
the current during programming is the answer, but I've not
pursued this. This may have to do with overcoming any
onboard capacitors. BLI makes fantastic products. The
detailing and sound are great, but this is their one major
drawback. Any one out there with an answer?
Regards,
Robert Diepenbrock?
?
I don¡¯t think this has
anything to do with JMRI. It is a question of what
programming hardware is being used. I have never had a
problem with Paragon 2 or 3 programming with a Sprog IIv3.
Have had problems using a PR3 as standalone, even with 18V
supply and couldn¡¯t program at all with an NCE PowerHouse
unless it had a PowerPax programming booster attached. So
far, the Sprog IIv3 has not failed to deliver (unless there
are keep alives or current keepers attached to the decoder),
even with an MTH decoder. Maybe I¡¯m just lucky.
?
Mark Granville
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Chris...another important item (just in case). You need to load a panel first THEN your tables will show up.
--
Paul Davidson
Washita & Santa Fe RR
N scale:? Southern Oklahoma circa late 70's
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Re: Programming locos with Fleischmann Twin-Center sw ver. 2.000 and DecoderPro 4.14
I have heard of a person with an IB-IR having exactly the same problem on the IBX mailing
list, but they claimed their unit had been working.
?
The obvious first question is what result do you get if you try and read a CV from a
loco using just the Twin-Center, without attempting to use JMRI to initiate the read? If the T-C cannot do that then JMRI is also not going to be able to do it. Read an basic CV like CV7 or 8 and see what value is reported on the T-C.
?
If this reads successfully then the problem MAY be in JMRI.
?
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From:
[email protected] <[email protected]> On Behalf Of
cocco.bill.97@...
Sent: 09 January 2019 12:47
To: [email protected]
Subject: [jmriusers] Programming locos with Fleischmann Twin-Center sw ver. 2.000 and DecoderPro 4.14
?
Hello everybody from Italy, I understand these old command stations may not be the main focus of development at the present time, but, since there are many people who
still use them (they are quite cheap and provide more expansion options than the white Fleischmann z21), I hope this request for help will be useful anyway :).
My first trials date back to 4/5 years ago with JMRI version 3.x running on a laptop with Fedora Linux and the Twin-Center firmware version 1.100. As many users have already reported it was possible to toggle the power on/off switch from DecoderPro, but trying
to select a locomotive address with the throttle was most of the times impossible and eventually the connection would stop working completely. By searching in the newsgroup I understood that the Intellibox/Twin-center LocoNet serial port connection had always
been quite fragile and that there was a bug in JMRI releases after 2.9.1 which prevented the connection from working properly. So in the end I gave up (I didn't want too buy a LocoBuffer-USB at the time since I was not running a serious layout).
Recently I purchased and installed the software upgrade to version 2.000 for the Twin-Center from Fleischmann. Curious to see what the updated firmware + new JMRI combo would give, I downloaded the latest 4.14 production version and set it up again on Fedora
Linux. Connecting the Twin-Center using the instructions provided on the JMRI website seemed to work, toggling power on/off worked both from the PC and the keypad on the command station, so I opened up a throttle in DecoderPro, selected a locomotive address
and... it worked. The connection was stable even trying multiple locos multiple times. Nice! Excited by the improvement I decided to raise the stakes a little bit and try running trains with my smartphone. I fired up the DigiTrains app, opened the firewall
ports in the PC to allow communications with the phone and again everything was peachy. Now I have a setup (almost) on par with the newest command stations for less than a fraction of the cost, yay! :D Congratulations to all the team for the hard work, this
is impressive, thank you.
So far so good, last thing to try out is programming locos, but this his where I hit my snags. Reading CVs seems to be impossible, after I click the "Read type from decoder" I don't hear the typical click noise of the relay powering on the programming track
and DecoderPro hangs, eventually throwing this error on the console:
2019-01-09 13:19:40,086 jmrit.AbstractIdentify ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?WARN ?- Stopping due to error: Timeout talking to command station (306) [AWT-EventQueue-0]
Also manually selecting the decoder type and reading CVs from the comprehensive programmer gives the same effect. Reading on the newsgroup I see that this issue appeared in the past and a user suggested setting Special option 25 to 1 and 907 to 4, but checking
on my command station shows that these options were already set this way from the factory, thus they are making no improvement. As I said, I know that the serial port connection of the Intellibox/Twin-Center has always been a source of problems but since I
noticed these interesting improvements I would like to know if there is any way to get the programming side working properly (without having to use a LocoBuffer-USB) because I know the DecoderPro programmer can do wonders :)
Any help will be much appreciated, I'm available and happy to test any solutions you can provide me :)
Thanks again and keep up the good work,
Best regards
Marco
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Dear Mark, et. all,
I have a Digitrax DCS240 command station, with an isolated
programming track. I have constant issues attempting to program BLI
locomotives using JMRI.
Many will not recognize, read or write at all using JMRI.
Regards,
Robert Diepenbrock
On 1/9/19 10:24 AM, Mark Granville
wrote:
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From:
Classic
Auto Portraits
Date: Wed, 09 Jan 2019 08:35:59 PST
Dear
Robert,
This seems to be a problem encountered often with many
owners of BLI locomotives. I own a number of BLI N Scale
locomotives, both steam and diesels. BLI locos are
notoriously poor in their response to JMRI. I've contacted
BLI Tech Support regarding this and their stance is that
JMRI is not an NMRA system.? I've been told that using a "Burst Module" to up
the current during programming is the answer, but I've not
pursued this. This may have to do with overcoming any
onboard capacitors. BLI makes fantastic products. The
detailing and sound are great, but this is their one major
drawback. Any one out there with an answer?
Regards,
Robert Diepenbrock?
?
I don¡¯t think this has
anything to do with JMRI. It is a question of what
programming hardware is being used. I have never had a
problem with Paragon 2 or 3 programming with a Sprog IIv3.
Have had problems using a PR3 as standalone, even with 18V
supply and couldn¡¯t program at all with an NCE PowerHouse
unless it had a PowerPax programming booster attached. So
far, the Sprog IIv3 has not failed to deliver (unless there
are keep alives or current keepers attached to the decoder),
even with an MTH decoder. Maybe I¡¯m just lucky.
?
Mark Granville
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From: Classic Auto Portraits
Date: Wed, 09 Jan 2019 08:35:59 PST Dear Robert,
This seems to be a problem encountered often with many owners of BLI locomotives. I own a number of BLI N Scale locomotives, both steam and diesels. BLI locos are notoriously poor in their response to JMRI. I've contacted BLI Tech Support regarding this and their stance is that JMRI is not an NMRA system.? I've been told that using a "Burst Module" to up the current during programming is the answer, but I've not pursued this. This may have to do with overcoming any onboard capacitors. BLI makes fantastic products. The detailing and sound are great, but this is their one major drawback. Any one out there with an answer?
Regards,
Robert Diepenbrock? ? I don¡¯t think this has anything to do with JMRI. It is a question of what programming hardware is being used. I have never had a problem with Paragon 2 or 3 programming with a Sprog IIv3. Have had problems using a PR3 as standalone, even with 18V supply and couldn¡¯t program at all with an NCE PowerHouse unless it had a PowerPax programming booster attached. So far, the Sprog IIv3 has not failed to deliver (unless there are keep alives or current keepers attached to the decoder), even with an MTH decoder. Maybe I¡¯m just lucky. ? Mark Granville
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SoundTraxx PTB 100 -- Bruce Petrarca, Mr. DCC; MMR #574
Dear Bruce, et. all,
Can you or one of our members recommend a programming track booster?
Regards,
Robert Diepenbrock
On 1/9/19 10:09 AM, Bruce Petrarca via
Groups.Io wrote:
There is no way to have a short address of 174. Only seven bits of
CV1 are used for the address. Thus, the maximum number is 127.
One thought I had: are you using a programming track booster?
--
Bruce
Petrarca, Mr. DCC; MMR #574
On Jan 9, 2019, at 10:06 AM, Ken Cameron < kcameron@...>
wrote:
I don't know of any system that supports 174 as a
short address.
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Dear Bruce, et. all,
Can you or one of our members recommend a programming track booster?
Regards,
Robert Diepenbrock
On 1/9/19 10:09 AM, Bruce Petrarca via
Groups.Io wrote:
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There is no way to have a short address of 174. Only seven bits of
CV1 are used for the address. Thus, the maximum number is 127.
One thought I had: are you using a programming track booster?
--
Bruce
Petrarca, Mr. DCC; MMR #574
On Jan 9, 2019, at 10:06 AM, Ken Cameron < kcameron@...>
wrote:
I don't know of any system that supports 174 as a
short address.
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There is no way to have a short address of 174. Only seven bits of CV1 are used for the address. Thus, the maximum number is 127. One thought I had: are you using a programming track booster? -- Bruce Petrarca, Mr. DCC; MMR #574
On Jan 9, 2019, at 10:06 AM, Ken Cameron < kcameron@...> wrote: I don't know of any system that supports 174 as a short address.
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Robert,
I don't know of any system that supports 174 as a short address. AFAIK, the
NMRA standard says all with the long mode address from 128 and above.
-Ken Cameron, Member JMRI Dev Team
www.jmri.org
www.fingerlakeslivesteamers.org
www.cnymod.com
www.syracusemodelrr.org
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Chris,
Are you sure the panel file is being loaded at startup time?
-Ken Cameron, Member JMRI Dev Team
www.jmri.org
www.fingerlakeslivesteamers.org
www.cnymod.com
www.syracusemodelrr.org
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Hi Chris,
Apologies if I'm being too obvious, but - you did save your panels before quitting?
Wouter
Hello All,
I am fairly new to JMRI but have used it in the past. I am using V4.14, (Java is updated), Windows 10. I am setting up my new layout and am having issues with all my turnout data disappearing from my table when I quit and reopen the program. This is happening with my sensor table as well. These are the only two I'm trying to set up so I haven't tried the other tables yet. All my operations tables show up just fine. This didn't happen on my old layout. I am using all the same hardware but I did update JMRI a couple weeks ago.
Is there something simple I've missed maybe?
Thank you.
--
Chris
Dogtown & Western N-Scale?
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Hi Robert,
I am totally unsure what you actually did. This is what I get from your description, but I cannot work out the rather important details.
I put it on the program track - Check. It read as short address 174, correct
long address but with short bulleted - Check. I corrected that - Whoah. Corrected what, exactly? Am assuming short to long and nothing else. And also assume you wrote *something* back to the decoder. But what? Individual CVs? Changes? Entire sheet? All sheets?
and read the
decoder all CV¡¯s - Whoah again. That's too late. If you want to program, first get the entire decoder content in your sheets.
saved - Because now you have no real idea of what you saved. None at all.
then it would not find it in the list - What list?
and came
back with short address (I had saved bulleted and wrote long) - So you read the address again? Just the address? Sheet? Indicidual CVs? All sheets?
redid the
whole thing - Hmmm.... WIthout the more exact steps it becomes even more difficult to follow what goes on.
still would not find in list - Glad to hear that - doing the same again on a digital system and getting the same result is in my view a Good Thing
and then we went to the
regular track and it had changed not only the short but also the long
address as something completely different - Intrigued. I have no idea how you read the address on the non-program track?
I fear you need to start over with this decoder, and start with reading all. I hope you'll see more consistency after that.
Wouter
On Wed, 9 Jan 2019 at 16:16, Robert J. Richter < rjr@...> wrote: Last knight a club member came to me with a Broadway ltd Pennsy K4 and I put it on the program track, It read as short address 174, correct long address but with short bulleted I corrected that and read the decoder all CV¡¯s, saved then it would not find it in the list and came back with short address (I had saved bulleted and wrote long)? redid the whole thing still would not find in list and then we went to the regular track and it had changed not only the short but also the long address as something completely different, made me look real stupid to the member who was kind about it but was really frustrating. ? Any thoughts on what I did wrong? ? Robert J. Richter 283 Elm Street North Reading, MA 01864 ?
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Hello All,
I am fairly new to JMRI but have used it in the past. I am using V4.14, (Java is updated), Windows 10. I am setting up my new layout and am having issues with all my turnout data disappearing from my table when I quit and reopen the program. This is happening with my sensor table as well. These are the only two I'm trying to set up so I haven't tried the other tables yet. All my operations tables show up just fine. This didn't happen on my old layout. I am using all the same hardware but I did update JMRI a couple weeks ago.
Is there something simple I've missed maybe?
Thank you.
--
Chris
Dogtown & Western N-Scale?
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Bob Jacobsen
Paul Davidson
Bruce Petrarca
Ken Cameron