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I have not had any
trouble but he was using Soundtraxx LC and I don't have those. Not
sure if that makes any difference or not.

Jon & Bob...

Just a note...the CV panel problems I encountered occur no matter
which programmer I use.

Aloha,
Jim

I generally go there to just read CV7 and CV8. I have not had any
trouble but he was using Soundtraxx LC and I don't have those. Not sure if
that makes any difference or not.
Bob, how are things. Is you dad improving?

Jon Miller
AT&SF
For me time has stopped in 1941
Digitrax DCC owner, Chief system
NMRA Life member #2623
Member SFRH&MS

Sorry to have fallen behind in the email, there have been some other things going on at this end.

You're right, the CV pane is really broken. I'm away from my layout until (probably) Wednesday, so can't check everything, there seem to be a number of problems:

a) The "Read Sheet", "Read All", "Write Sheet" and "Write All" buttons just plain don't work.

b) Writing a CV by changing the value on the CV pane and clicking write can sometimes write nothing (no change), or write a zero value.

c) Changes to the CV pane are not always reflected in the other panes.

d) There's something wrong with how the CV pane understands the "state" of a CV's value. On other panes, this is reflected in the color. Here, it shows in the State column (which is not directly editable on purpose). But sometimes that State column is not right, e.g. an edited CV doesn't show as "Edited". And clicking the state column can change that (as if the state really had changed, but the display hadn't updated)

I've been able to reproduce a, b and d, and have no doubt that c happens too.

I'll look in to it soon. Sorry for the trouble. In the meantime, people might want to use the single-CV programmer instead of that pane for changing a single CV. You can (he said optimistically) have one of those and a set of panes open at the same time and use them both, but they won't see each others changes to values.

Has anybody had any problems with _reading_ CVs from the CV pane?

Bob
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Jon...

Another clue might be one other thing I just discovered. The Write All
button on the CVs tab doesn't do anything, whether I change one or more of
the CVs on the tab or not.

Aloha,
Jim

Try this test. Program using the motor tab for those items.
Then close
DecoderPro and open it back up again. Then use the CV tab and see what
happens. If it stay the same as you have previously noted then
we may have
a bug.

Jon...

I performed the above test.

Along the way, I discovered something by accident. After you enter a new
value in the Value column, you click next door on the State column (which
might say "From File" or "Stored") and it changes to "Edited". The good
news: by doing this then clicking the Write button, the Value column now
keeps the new value. The bad news: both the loco performance and the Motor
tab now reflect zero. Closing and opening DecoderPro made no difference at
any point along the way. No matter what I do or how I do it, this tab seems
to only write zeroes. BTW, this was the third type of decoder I tried, so I
think it's not related to any specific programmer.

Aloha,
Jim

There are certain cases on certain panes where one button seems to be an
indicator and the other functional. The AD4 general pane works this way on
one of the numbers. I have not tested the one you are talking about.
Try this test. Program using the motor tab for those items. Then close
DecoderPro and open it back up again. Then use the CV tab and see what
happens. If it stay the same as you have previously noted then we may have
a bug.

3) The tab with individual CVs seems like it may be a little flakey,
but no real proof yet.

Others will want to confirm, but here's what I found. I tried this
with two different locos, one with Soundtraxx and one with Digitrax.
Exactly same behavior of the CV tab.

Here's what I found:

An acceleration value of 4 was written to the loco from the Motor tab
and confirmed by performance. It was changed to 10 and confirmed.
Then I went to the CV tab and noted that 10 was listed for CV3. On
this CV tab, I changed the entry to 4, pressed Write and the number
changed to 0, confirmed by loco performance. Then I changed the 0 to
a 4 and wrote again. The number remained 0 and so did performance. I
had to go back to the Motor tab to write the 4 back into the decoder.
The CV tab then reflected the 4 as did the loco.

I tested this on both locos and with various CVs. The CV tab seems
broken in some way. BTW, my Single CV programmer works fine.

Anybody else?

Aloha,
Jim

Bob...

Got the DecoderPro 1.0.4 and LocoBuffer up and running with little
difficulty and, as a long time PR1 user, let me say this is what I've
been waiting for! You guys have done an outstanding job. Today I
enjoyed reading through most of the messages on this group to gain
some more knowledge and background.

Since constructive criticism is encouraged, here's mine (small ones,
actually):

1) I'd like to see DecoderPro follow the convention where, when you
tab to the next field, it's contents become highlighted so you can
immediately begin typing.

2) The lights tab on the DN140 does not reflect it's FX lighting
options. I have to use the DN142 programmer and ignore it's BEMF section.

3) The tab with individual CVs seems like it may be a little flakey,
but no real proof yet. I noticed that writing one particular CV on
that tab might have affected some others, but not sure. I'll test some
more.

So far I've only experimented with a SW1 w/DN140 and a Bachmann
3-Truck Shay w/Soundtraxx B3TSLC. They program perfectly. I've got
about 10 or 15 more locos with all kinds of decoders -- will report
back. So far I love this setup!!

Aloha,
Jim
Dinkey Creek & Lone Pine RR

Bob I am a little thick head at times I found start here html thank for the help. do I need the pictures that downloaded for anything. I order a loco buffer can wait to try it (little kid in me )Thanks Wendell

At 5:18 PM -0400 8/20/02, Wendell Camp wrote:

Hi mike Bob sent me a cd tha I understood to have the install program for java +decoder pro what I find on cd is 130 pictures that are of ants +decoder pro screens= the same decoder pro information on web site unless I'm not understanding some thing thanks Wendell

----- Original Message -----
From: Mike Davison
Sent: Monday, August 19, 2002 8:16 PM
To: jmriusers@...; Wendell Camp
Subject: Re: [jmriusers] Decoder pro


Wendell,

Bob mentioned that he would be a way from e-mail for a bit so perhaps if you provide a bit more background for your questions others can answer.
Ant is one of the development tools used to build Decoder Pro. You would use ant or Jbuilder if you wanted to modify the Decoder Pro/JMRI software. If you simply want to use the software you do not need ant. You need Decoder Pro, JMRI, Java and, depending on your computer/OS type, a Java serial port library.
cheers,
Mike

On Monday 19 August 2002 02:29 pm, Wendell Camp wrote:

Bob I don't know if I misunderstood but I thought the java install and

decoder pro where on the cd whats with the ant pictures a little confused Wendell

----- Original Message -----
From: Bob Jacobsen
Sent: Tuesday, August 13, 2002 6:49 PM
To: jmriusers@...
Subject: Re: [jmriusers] Decorder pro

>I want to down load decoder pro . can I down load to floppy dis so I
>can load it on to a laptop with only floppy drive
(Sorry, hit send too soon on that last one. I really need to get some sleep...)
If the laptop has a CD drive, write me off-list with your mailing address and I can send you a CD with all the needed installers, including Java.
Bob
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At 5:18 PM -0400 8/20/02, Wendell Camp wrote:

Hi mike Bob sent me a cd tha I understood to have the install program for java +decoder pro what I find on cd is 130 pictures that are of ants +decoder pro screens= the same decoder pro information on web site unless I'm not understanding some thing thanks Wendell

Sorry, have only intermittent email this week.

The CD should have a "Start Here.html" file on it which, when opened in a browser, will show you how its structured.

Basically, there's a directory or folder for each type of computer:

Windows
OS2
MacOS X
Linux
MacOS Classic

Inside each, you'll find the things you need for that type of machine. For example, inside the "Windows" folder, you should find:

Windows install.html - install instructions
j2re-1_3_1_01-win.exe - this installs Java
JMRI.1.0.exe - installer for the program
COPYING - this is the license to use it

Open the "Windows install.html" file with a browser for instructions. Note that the contents of the folders for other computer types will differ.

There are some other directories/folders with reference information:

site - this is a copy of the web site

Source - this is the source code for the program

Tools - installers for tools for building the program

At this stage, you should ignore those and just install the program by following the "Start Here" instructions.

Bob

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Hi mike Bob sent me a cd tha I understood to have the install program for java +decoder pro what I find on cd is 130 pictures that are of ants +decoder pro screens= the same decoder pro information on web site unless I'm not understanding some thing thanks Wendell

Wendell,

Bob mentioned that he would be a way from e-mail for a bit so perhaps if you
provide a bit more background for your questions others can answer.

Ant is one of the development tools used to build Decoder Pro. You would use
ant or Jbuilder if you wanted to modify the Decoder Pro/JMRI software. If you
simply want to use the software you do not need ant. You need Decoder Pro,
JMRI, Java and, depending on your computer/OS type, a Java serial port
library.

cheers,
Mike

On Monday 19 August 2002 02:29 pm, Wendell Camp wrote:

Bob I don't know if I misunderstood but I thought the java install and

decoder pro where on the cd whats with the ant pictures a little confused
Wendell

----- Original Message -----
From: Bob Jacobsen
Sent: Tuesday, August 13, 2002 6:49 PM
To: jmriusers@...
Subject: Re: [jmriusers] Decorder pro

I want to down load decoder pro . can I down load to floppy dis so I
can load it on to a laptop with only floppy drive

(Sorry, hit send too soon on that last one. I really need to get
some sleep...)

If the laptop has a CD drive, write me off-list with your mailing
address and I can send you a CD with all the needed installers,
including Java.

Bob
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Bob I don't know if I misunderstood but I thought the java install and decoder pro where on the cd whats with the ant pictures a little confused Wendell

At 5:28 PM +0000 8/13/02, sixth_rule wrote:

my actual goal in this hole thing is to figure out simply how to make
a java program that
1) acesses the serial ports
2) reads all the loconet packets that come over the system
3) Write packets to the serial ports

Take a look at the jmri.jmrix.loconet.LocoNetInterface and jmri.jmrix.loconet.LocoNetListener interfaces.

Basically, you write a class that implements LocoNetListener, and register it with a LocoNetInterface. Your class will then have its message(...) method called with each LocoNet message that's seen, and will be able to send messages.

For a simple example, you might start by copying the code in the LocoNet turnout implementation, jmri.jmrix.loconet.LnTurnout.

Bob
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There was a comment that the compiler used by JB was different than the

one

used so far. Having dealt with compiler bugs, I wonder if this is a
concern? If so, would that be a reason to standardize on the ANT

approach?

We saw differences when we turned on/off debugging information. Not errors
as such just differences in behaviour, which caused differences in class
signatures, which caused differences in Serialization SerialVers - that's
all.

I would not panic and switch to ANT just because of compiler differences.
Longer term you might want to go the ANT way anyway as you are in explicit
control of the build process, rather than hoping that you clicked on the
right thing in JBuilder to encourage it to do what you want. Usually this is
not a problem but we have already seen the subtle way JB Personal is hobbled
compared to Pro and Ent. Moving to ANT would potentially re-aligh the
process.

However this would require us all to get to know "yet another build process"
as I only have second-hand knowlege of ANT as I had others sort it for us.

Cheers

Alex Shepherd

Alex,

Thanks for filling in the detail. My original comment was intended to be
lighthearted (mostly) :-), hope no offense was taken.

There was a comment that the compiler used by JB was different than the one
used so far. Having dealt with compiler bugs, I wonder if this is a
concern? If so, would that be a reason to standardize on the ANT approach?

Robin

Bob and all,
Read the latest review of the Broadway Limited 4-6-4 on the TTX site.
Looks like Tony may have a fix to make it programmable on the program track
AND it looks like the panes for DecoderPro will be a real challenge<VBG>.

Jon Miller
AT&SF
For me time has stopped in 1941
Digitrax DCC owner, Chief system
NMRA Life member #2623
Member SFRH&MS

Just so I understand the above. Is Alex saying that a more desirable
alternative to JB7 is to use a different Jave IDE along with ANT? So all
the time spent over the last two days working with Bob to get JB7 working
was... a waste of time?! <gulp> Oh well, as my favorite prof in grad
school used to say, "All experiences are bad, some seem good in

retrospect."

No, I'm just saying there are choices, that depending on your pain threshold
and determination, you can choose.

- JB4-7 Pro or Ent don't seem to have a problem building the packages, so
the current project files pretty much work fine. So if you have access to
one of these all is well

- JB7 Ent (and probably Pro, but probably not with Personal) supports
building with ANT. If after these efforts, it turned out that we should move
from the JBuilder Project based build to an ANT based build, then JB7 knows
how to handle ANT projects and does the right thing, so all is still well
for those who like JBuilder.

- For those who want an IDE and don't like the convoluted way you have to do
things with JB Personal then there is another IDE called Eclipse, that IBM
developed and made open source to seed a new extensible IDE in the market to
hopefully allow tool developers to all support a common platform. The
eclipse code base is what IBM release their commercial WSAD IDE. I
understand the free version that is available on the eclipse site is a full
Java IDE that is fully functional. It just doesn't have all the IBM
application server capabilities etc. I think it also supports ANT projects
which is why I mention it as an alternative.

- For those who don't want to learn yet another IDE and just want to make a
few mods and build then they can just get a JDK and the ANT package, which
once installed can build the entire package from the command line. Some may
simply prefer this to having to learn a new IDE and everything that goes
with that. (as you know)

Personally I like the current JBuilder mechanism as I know how it works and
it works for me with my setup. Obviously your mileage may vary....

Cheers

Alex

Bob,

Perhaps this recipe will now work (if so, we should write it out in
more detail):

Start from scratch with a new folder.

check out the source from CVS

move the project/java/lib file to somewhere convenient, away from
the project folder. (This is to avoid confusion later on,
because we're going to make a global config point to the
contents) (_Don't_ move the project/lib file, that's needed at
runtime)

Start JBuilder. Immediately select Project -> Project Properties,
click on the Build pane, then the Required Libraries pane within that.

JMRIlibraries will be shown in red. Click it and hit Edit.

On the resulting "class" tab, click "add" and add each of the
.jar files from your moved lib file. There are seven of them,
and you have to add each one.

click OK, click OK

From the main menu, click Project -> Rebuild

Click the "diamond" to run the JmriDemo program.

At this point, you should have a working app. Configure it, save and
restart.

I tried the procedure and it works! Just one change though - in JB Personal
there is no Library option on Project Properties. Instead you go to
Tools/ConfigureLibraries and then add the files to JMRILibraries there.
(FYI I moved java/lib folder to Windows/jmri/lib)

Hopefully, this all works... Its a pain to set up the libraries, but
apparently the free JBuilder requires absolute path names in its
library-definition file. That makes it really hard for us to provide
one that you can just move into place.

At 10:44 AM +1200 8/15/02, Alex Shepherd wrote:
>If all this turns out to be too difficult, then if we moved to an ANT
based
>build (which is also supported in JB7) then those who do not have JB Pro
or
>Ent could maybe download the Java IDE at and
develop
>using this. Using ANT would be more work but it would give us more
control.
>People could even just download a JDK and ANT and use Notepad to edit the
>code and call ANT from the command line, like many UNIX users have done
for
>the last 30 years...

Mike Davison get this to work a little while back. If you've got ant
installed, you can do a

cvs -d :pserver:anonymous@...:/cvsroot/jmri co ant

ant jmridemo

to checkout, build and run the program. "ant decoderpro" does the
obvious thing too. I've not tried it on Windows, but it worked this
morning on MacOS X and Linux.


Just so I understand the above. Is Alex saying that a more desirable
alternative to JB7 is to use a different Jave IDE along with ANT? So all
the time spent over the last two days working with Bob to get JB7 working
was... a waste of time?! <gulp> Oh well, as my favorite prof in grad
school used to say, "All experiences are bad, some seem good in retrospect."
:-)

Robin