Re: Jmri panel pro program issues
Tony,
You are starting DecoderPro instead of PanelPro. ?You are seeing the Roster list and DecoderPro does not have a splash screen when it finishes the startup process.
After you get started, go to "Help -> System Console". ?Click on the "Copy to clipboard" button and paste into a reply.
Dave Sand
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Subject: [jmriusers] Jmri panel pro program issues
Date: Sunday, April 06, 2025 8:29 PM
i am using a dell latest window laptop using latest no test version
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i open a profile in the past and all the windows I ask to open does open with a window openning last with the program name and profile name.
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i open that same profile and get all the windows except the last.
instead a window labelled ‘decoder pro: all entries’ which is blank . ?And dont get the final window.
if i close the new window it closes the program
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what has gone wrong with my profile.
i dont want the new window and want the last window back
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what do i do?
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tony
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Re: How to remove block assignments from LE tracks
John,
I assume you have disabled auto block.
Edit each piece of track. ?Scroll the block list to the top and click on the blank entry. ?The old entry will be highlighted. ?Delete it. ? Click on Done.
Due to technical reasons, you need to store and load the xml file two times before you can delete the old entries from the Block table.
Dave Sand
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Subject: [jmriusers] How to remove block assignments from LE tracks
Date: Sunday, April 06, 2025 7:23 PM
My original project was to combine two LE Panels, the Main railroad panel and the 5 track passenger station panel. Knowing there isn’t a quick way to join them, I proceeded to redraw the 5 track station onto the Main panel.?
Without realizing that the ?> Track Options > Automatically Assign Blocks to Tracks was turned on, every piece of track was assigned an AUTOBLK: ##, which I didn’t want nor need. I won’t need block detectors nor signaling. Any signals will be SSL to determine the turnout positions. Now I want to know how to remove block assignments from the newly drawn tracks since, as I see it, nothing can be deleted while they are assigned.?
I attempted to rename the unwanted blocks to a common name so when I could break the assignments I might only need to delete one large block. What I ended up with was, upon restarting JMRI everything opened properly the Main LE panel, The WiThrottle window, and the JMRI (center of screen) logo. The PanelPro control window did _not_. I didn’t have a way to close the program or make any preference changes.?
Since I put in so much work, so far, is there a fix to get JMRI to launch completely or is it easier to cut my losses and go back to a previous .xml file. Still how do I remove block assignments properly? I’m stumped. ?
Thanks in advance for reading.
John ?Bauchiero
-?NCE PH-Pro & PowerCab, RasPi4, DCC-EX
- JMRI 5.11.4
- Java 17.0.12
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Re: Jmri panel pro program issues
Ps: i get error message saying it cant create a throttle?
whats wrong?
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i cant find a way to save the positions and sizes of the windows so it open the same way after shutdown
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tony
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Jmri panel pro program issues
i am using a dell latest window laptop using latest no test version
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i open a profile in the past and all the windows I ask to open does open with a window openning last with the program name and profile name.
?
i open that same profile and get all the windows except the last.
instead a window labelled ‘decoder pro: all entries’ which is blank . ?And dont get the final window.
if i close the new window it closes the program
?
what has gone wrong with my profile.
i dont want the new window and want the last window back
?
what do i do?
?
tony
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How to remove block assignments from LE tracks
My original project was to combine two LE Panels, the Main railroad panel and the 5 track passenger station panel. Knowing there isn’t a quick way to join them, I proceeded to redraw the 5 track station onto the Main panel.?
Without realizing that the ?> Track Options > Automatically Assign Blocks to Tracks was turned on, every piece of track was assigned an AUTOBLK: ##, which I didn’t want nor need. I won’t need block detectors nor signaling. Any signals will be SSL to determine the turnout positions. Now I want to know how to remove block assignments from the newly drawn tracks since, as I see it, nothing can be deleted while they are assigned.?
I attempted to rename the unwanted blocks to a common name so when I could break the assignments I might only need to delete one large block. What I ended up with was, upon restarting JMRI everything opened properly the Main LE panel, The WiThrottle window, and the JMRI (center of screen) logo. The PanelPro control window did _not_. I didn’t have a way to close the program or make any preference changes.?
Since I put in so much work, so far, is there a fix to get JMRI to launch completely or is it easier to cut my losses and go back to a previous .xml file. Still how do I remove block assignments properly? I’m stumped. ?
Thanks in advance for reading.
John ?Bauchiero
-?NCE PH-Pro & PowerCab, RasPi4, DCC-EX - JMRI 5.11.4 - Java 17.0.12
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Re: Signal Controller Board Suggestions
That’s right, I had forgotten about the Light it. Simple enough, it runs off the track bus. ? -Ken Cameron, Member JMRI Dev Team
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JMRI Profile File Written With Zero Bytes
Hopefully this can help others who experience the same problem. This has happened 3 or 4 times in the last 5 years - so not often. When opening JMRI, you get the dreaded unexpected EOF error loading the profile. Sure enough - the profile file is zero bytes.
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Easy fix - in the active jmri-profile folder there is a backupPanels folder under the railroad name. Simply copy that file back under the railroad folder - rename to whatever the profile file is called in your settings. Hopefully it is recent enough you didn't lose much of anything. The backup interval looks like when the profile is saved. All shutdowns have been nominal. No idea why it happens...Maybe it's an RPI thing, maybe it took to long to write and I did a system shutdown before it was ready? Who knows.
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The folder structure is below.
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For more info - Specs: RPI 5 bookworm with all latest updates running JMRI 5.10. The log file is below - it shows whenever this happens there is a compare failure. Guess that writes out 0 bytes and keeps on truckin...
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Re: Help understanding Dispatcher/Transit
Steve,
Direction sensors are required for signal heads/SSL.
Direction sensors are optional for signal masts and SML. ?From my point of view, they are generally used to implement APB (absolute permissive block) signaling.
When you generate SML based sections, the SML and Section are related. ?Transits can start or end with a block based section (such as leaving a yard), but the other sections have to be SML based sections. ?This is why your block based section for Central causes the SML to display Stop when allocated. ?The "linkage" is missing.
Dave Sand
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Subject: Re: [jmriusers] Help understanding Dispatcher/Transit
Date: Sunday, April 06, 2025 1:11 PM
Dave,
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Some additional information...
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I know you advised making each block a separate section. I originally did that but couldn't understand how to create the direction sensors so I deleted and went back to auto-generated.
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Auto-gen combines blocks based on my mast and there's no way to create a mast for the next block since it's attached to the turnout.
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So I manually created a separate section with just Central block.
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Steve
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Re: Help understanding Dispatcher/Transit
Dave,
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Some additional information...
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I know you advised making each block a separate section. I originally did that but couldn't understand how to create the direction sensors so I deleted and went back to auto-generated.
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Auto-gen combines blocks based on my mast and there's no way to create a mast for the next block since it's attached to the turnout.
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So I manually created a separate section with just Central block.
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Steve
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Re: Help understanding Dispatcher/Transit
I wouldn't be able to make it without this group.
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Re: Help understanding Dispatcher/Transit
Steve,
I suspect that there is a SML issue when Dispatcher sets the turnouts. ?If you upload the xml file we take a closer look.
Dave Sand
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Subject: [jmriusers] Help understanding Dispatcher/Transit
Date: Sunday, April 06, 2025 12:33 PM
I have a simple 3 train yard connected to another block with several turnouts as below
My desire is to have a train leave the yard then run another transit continuously.
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Since a continuous transit requires first/last section to be the same it seems this requires two transits. I thought I could create a transit to start in BY1 and end in Central then chain to the next transit.
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My problem is with the leaving yard transit (which is terminate when done for testing). As soon as it allocates the Central section, the mast turns red/red and the train never moves. If I click the mast green the train moves and stops in Central as expected.
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So, how can I make this to allow move train out automatically after allocation?
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Help understanding Dispatcher/Transit
I have a simple 3 train yard connected to another block with several turnouts as below
My desire is to have a train leave the yard then run another transit continuously.
?
Since a continuous transit requires first/last section to be the same it seems this requires two transits. I thought I could create a transit to start in BY1 and end in Central then chain to the next transit.
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My problem is with the leaving yard transit (which is terminate when done for testing). As soon as it allocates the Central section, the mast turns red/red and the train never moves. If I click the mast green the train moves and stops in Central as expected.
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So, how can I make this to allow move train out automatically after allocation?
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Re: Signal Controller Board Suggestions
On 4/6/2025 10:43 AM, Dave Sand wrote: Randall,
It sounds like the NCE "Light-It" meets your requirement. ?It uses signal head decoder commands from the DCC bus. (If you do not mind a signal decoder that might not get its signal aspects/indications when needed... I woud not want that, so I would not use any signaling solution which requires getting information from the DCC track bus.)
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Re: Signal Controller Board Suggestions
Randall,
It sounds like the NCE "Light-It" meets your requirement. ?It uses signal head decoder commands from the DCC bus.
Dave Sand
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Subject: Re: [jmriusers] Signal Controller Board Suggestions
Date: Sunday, April 06, 2025 3:03 AM
Thank you Ken - my system is a NCE system so ideally searching for an NCE based result.? I see the link provided for 6 road yard and in that the NCE option implementing a local Loconet.? Not sure I want this option!
Anyone with a NCE based option?
ArCoMoRa looks like an option, using this already to switch servos very successfully. Anyone with experience with implementing this with Signals?
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Regards
Randall?
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Don, if I have understood your problem correctly, then your locomotive runs after a decoder reset, but if you write your previously used CVs saved in DecoderPro back into the reset decoder, the locomotive no longer runs?
Yes, there may be CVs in the decoder that cannot be displayed with DecoderPro and therefore cannot be read or written. The CVs used are defined in the corresponding decoder template.
To analyze your problem above, perform a decoder reset and then compare your saved CVs with the values in the decoder. You must check all the different CV values and evaluate them using the decoder documentation. Then you should be able to find the cause.
Uli
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Re: Signal Controller Board Suggestions
Randal, ? The problem is a true signal product for the NCE system doesn’t exist. You could use a Switch 8 to drive lamps. But all NCE system users that go for signaling go for a separate system for that need. Like LCC or CMRI is a big favorite and some use a standalone LocoNet. A lot depends on if you just need a few signals or are doing the whole layout. ? -Ken Cameron, Member JMRI Dev Team
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Re: JMRI and LogicX driving Signals
#signals
Hi Ken
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Apologies I missed the details...
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My System is an NCE PowerPro, and I drive the layout from JMRI, I have a ladder with 6 roads all controlled by Tortious machines.? I switch the roads to the 'main' via LogicX and display the selected load on the JMRI panel with a 'light'.? The ladder includes two x three-way turnouts.? All very successful.?
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I do have three Arduino's running ArCoMoRa that are used to run servo's and switch the frog elsewhere on the layout.? Also very successful.
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Further thought today says that if I set the LogicX to switch an address - and use just the relay side then that way I can switch the power to the Leds as the last step in the LocicX.??
* yet to try it!!!!
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Any thoughts and other options most welcome.
Randall
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Re: Signal Controller Board Suggestions
Thank you Ken - my system is a NCE system so ideally searching for an NCE based result.? I see the link provided for 6 road yard and in that the NCE option implementing a local Loconet.? Not sure I want this option!
Anyone with a NCE based option?
ArCoMoRa looks like an option, using this already to switch servos very successfully. Anyone with experience with implementing this with Signals?
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Regards
Randall?
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Re: Experimental "Flatpak" distribution of JMRI
Bad idea: Flatpak will create the desktop entries with icons.
And Flatpak run itself the applications in an isolated environment. User
should not run outside of flatpak the JMRI applications installed by
Flatpak. It must be started from the desktop entries. Or, if the user
really really want, with the command line "flatpak run --command".
"Dave Sand" <ds@...> writes:
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Dave,
Once you find the JMRI install location, you can run "./CreateJmriApps.sh -d" to create the desktop icons and start menu entries.
Dave Sand
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From: "Sandpiper via groups.io" <sandpiper270.dm@...>
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: [jmriusers] Experimental "Flatpak" distribution of JMRI
Date: Saturday, April 05, 2025 10:26 PM
I just tried the flatpak. I am using Linux Mint Cinammon 21.3. The URL did not start any flatpak installer, it just downloaded the file.
After downloading the flatpak to my download folder, I tried to right click it to install it. There was no program associated with it to install it,
even though I have flatpaks installed on my system. I asked chatGPT how to install it, and got some directions on how to open a terminal
window, navigate to where the download file was, and then install it. After some fussing, I was able to do that. I didn't get any indication that it
worked, but doing 'flatpak list', I was able to see it was installed.
There was nothing in the Start menu that would let me run it. I didn't know where it would be on my system, since I am not used to manually
dealing with flatpaks. Using 'which JMRI', or any other name I could think of, did not show anything like that installed. ChatGPT told me that if
I ran 'flatpak run org.jmri.JMRI' in a terminal window, then it would run. When I did that, DecoderPro opened up. I never use DecoderPro,
always use PanelPro. I didn't see any way to make it open to that.
I finally found where on my system it was installed. It was in my home directory at ~
/.local/share/flatpak/app/org.jmri.JMRI/current/active/files/share/JMRI. By navigating there with the Nemo file manager, I found PanelPro and
DecoderPro, and could start them.
That is my experience, it was a bit painful. Much easier to just install the java that you want, and also JMRI. Assuming the flatpak can be made
to 'just work' for the install, I would think for the new user, it will fail to connect to an external DCC system, such as the NCE PowerCab I have
here at the laptop, because JMRI isn't a member of the dialout group.
Dave Morgan
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Re: Experimental "Flatpak" distribution of JMRI
Hello. Flatpak packager here.
# Installation and usage of JMRI Flatpak on Linux Mint Cinammon 21.3
So, I have tested on a fresh installation of Linux Mint Cinammon 21.3
and I can confirm that the system do not know what to do with the
Flatpak bundle file.
Which is strange, because the application manager of Mint Cinammon 21.3
can install Flatpak package from Flathub. So, I guess the installation
on this version of Mint would not require the terminal when JMRI would
be on Flathub.
But after installing the Flatpak bundle of JMRI, I can now start the
different JMRI applications from the start menu of Mint. I just searched
"JMRI" and I can see the applications and launch them.
So, on Linux Mint Cinammon 21.3:
* The installation is a bit rough, due to Linux Mint, I will open a bug
report about it
* It would be "1 click button" to install when JMRI would be on Flathub
* After installation, you can launch the applications from the Start
menu
* I could successfully uninstall JMRI from the application manager of
Mint.
# Installation and usage of JMRI Flatpak on Linux Mint Cinammon 22.1
I also tested with the latest version I can found of Linux Mint
Cinammon: 22.1
This version of Mint still did not recognize the .flatpak file. I still
could install other Flatpak application with the application manager.
Installation of JMRI on Mint would not need the terminal when JMRI
would be published on Flathub.
After installation of JMRI, I could also launch the JMRI applications
from the Start menu.
But I couldn't uninstall JMRI from the application manager: It didn't
found JMRI. Another bug report to open to Mint.
# Launching the JMRI applications
Flatpak is not only a archive containing the applications: It run the
applications in an isolated environment.
You are not supposed to go on the installation directory and run the
applications from there.
You must start the applications from the Start menu.
And if you really really want to use the command line:
/usr/bin/flatpak run --command=/app/share/JMRI/PanelPro org.jmri.JMRI
To run the PanelPro. Or replace the "PanelPro" with the application you
want.
"Sandpiper via groups.io" <sandpiper270.dm@...> writes:
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I just tried the flatpak. I am using Linux Mint Cinammon 21.3. The URL did not start any flatpak installer, it just downloaded the file.
After downloading the flatpak to my download folder, I tried to right click it to install it. There was no program associated with it to install it,
even though I have flatpaks installed on my system. I asked chatGPT how to install it, and got some directions on how to open a terminal
window, navigate to where the download file was, and then install it. After some fussing, I was able to do that. I didn't get any indication that it
worked, but doing 'flatpak list', I was able to see it was installed.
There was nothing in the Start menu that would let me run it. I didn't know where it would be on my system, since I am not used to manually
dealing with flatpaks. Using 'which JMRI', or any other name I could think of, did not show anything like that installed. ChatGPT told me that if
I ran 'flatpak run org.jmri.JMRI' in a terminal window, then it would run. When I did that, DecoderPro opened up. I never use DecoderPro,
always use PanelPro. I didn't see any way to make it open to that.
I finally found where on my system it was installed. It was in my home directory at ~
/.local/share/flatpak/app/org.jmri.JMRI/current/active/files/share/JMRI. By navigating there with the Nemo file manager, I found PanelPro and
DecoderPro, and could start them.
That is my experience, it was a bit painful. Much easier to just install the java that you want, and also JMRI. Assuming the flatpak can be made
to 'just work' for the install, I would think for the new user, it will fail to connect to an external DCC system, such as the NCE PowerCab I have
here at the laptop, because JMRI isn't a member of the dialout group.
Dave Morgan
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John Bauchiero
Ken Cameron
@_Uli_