Re: After Windows 11 upgrade I can no longer communicate via NCE USB module
#nce
#windows
Bill, ? That log didn’t have the other run. The session.log gets reset every time you open JMRI. The messages.log is the last ### runs up a meg of file space. ? I think what would be best is a post of the messages.log so I see the history and a snap of the connection profile showing all the settings. ? -Ken Cameron, Member JMRI Dev Team
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Re: After Windows 11 upgrade I can no longer communicate via NCE USB module
#nce
#windows
Ken,
There should be two sequences in there with the latter having it set for SB5 and resulting in the error.
I have three throttles on the bus, my original power cab (with procan cable), a second pro cab and a cab06 as well.
When I set to Pro Cab the system gives me the two green indicators on. Ottom.left and it does seem to read from a loco on the track.
_____________________________________________ Bill Suarez - +1 508-735-7877 - wsuarez@...
Bill, ? This log looks normal. I don’t see it showing any issue with opening the port, getting the id from the NCE USB. But what did you have set in the connection window at this time? ? I’m presuming you have both a PowerCab and a SB5 from what you said. The recommended setup for that combination would be using two profiles. One for the PowerCab as the command station so you have a programming track. The second is with
the SB5 as the command station so you can move around with the PowerCab as a normal throttle. ? But to do that, I suggest you make a change to the NCE USB. I would use it with all jumpers in place. This is the ‘all systems’ setting. That in turn would mean both profiles are set for 19,200 baud. This way you don’t have to change the
jumpers between the two systems. ? But there is a table of the id’s used by the NCE USB and the code cross checks that value with the command station selection. The message you posted would say the selection you had in the connection settings didn’t match the id value returned
by the NCE USB. ? I take it that this last run didn’t give you any popup? ? -Ken Cameron, Member JMRI Dev Team
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Brett,
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On Panel Editor it is straight forward. I used the SIM profile because I'm too lazy to pull my Power Pro out (I can if need be)
First make sure that you can see your AIU and that its Cab Address is correct. Show Cab will query your Power Cab
Mine is blank because I am in Simulation mode. You should see Cab ID 4 for your AIU
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You stated that you were able to add the Sensor. I used the 4:6 method and giving the name of 4(aiu06).
This is for Panel Editor not Layout Editor it has a different process.
The System Name is generated by JMRI and it will appear in the Add Sensor Panel automatically.
I added 2 indicators and you can see that they both work.
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Layout Editor can give the same symptom but that's because we don't make the Block association assignment.
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You Right Click on the Track segment select Edit , Create the Block Name ( I used BLK1)
Then make the assignment.
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Once you make the assignments it will display.
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Hopefully this helps
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Looked at it and started to think about to do it, but I found that the SignalPilot has a lot of indexed CVs and, furthermore, there is no documentation about its CVs (all of them) :( , so, unfortunately, more than difficult to do it.
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Should any one have any information about it, I am ready to help on it, as I already did defining .xml's for including new signals definitions for SignalPilot.
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Regards
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Re: After Windows 11 upgrade I can no longer communicate via NCE USB module
#nce
#windows
Bill, ? This log looks normal. I don’t see it showing any issue with opening the port, getting the id from the NCE USB. But what did you have set in the connection window at this time? ? I’m presuming you have both a PowerCab and a SB5 from what you said. The recommended setup for that combination would be using two profiles. One for the PowerCab as the command station so you have a programming track. The second is with the SB5 as the command station so you can move around with the PowerCab as a normal throttle. ? But to do that, I suggest you make a change to the NCE USB. I would use it with all jumpers in place. This is the ‘all systems’ setting. That in turn would mean both profiles are set for 19,200 baud. This way you don’t have to change the jumpers between the two systems. ? But there is a table of the id’s used by the NCE USB and the code cross checks that value with the command station selection. The message you posted would say the selection you had in the connection settings didn’t match the id value returned by the NCE USB. ? I take it that this last run didn’t give you any popup? ? -Ken Cameron, Member JMRI Dev Team
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Re: After Windows 11 upgrade I can no longer communicate via NCE USB module
#nce
#windows
Ken,
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I am currently using 5.11.3, but this problem existed on the prior released version as well.
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I have a “new” session log attached here for your review. My message log goes back to 2020 so it is much bigger.
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Thanks,
Bill
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On Behalf Of Ken Cameron via groups.io
Sent: Saturday, March 08, 2025 7:35 PM
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: [jmriusers] After Windows 11 upgrade I can no longer communicate via NCE USB module
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Bill S,
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Looking deeper into the code, I see I need to know more things. I’ll recap:
- System console so I can see:
- Version of JMRI
- Version returned by the NCE USB
- The logged error message
- NCE command station firmware version id
- That’s either 1.28something or 1.65something.
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But so far it is looking like you may not have the right jumper settings in the NCE USB and the version ID it is giving doesn’t match what it should be for the SB5 system. But depending on which jumper settings, the baud rate may also need
to change to match what it expects.
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But with the details above, I can guide the right answers.
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-Ken Cameron, Member JMRI Dev Team
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On Sat, Mar 8, 2025 at 10:36 PM, Noel Purdey wrote:
Just wondering, where do I find the ‘track analysis tool’?
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Dan
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Hello All
After a year away im back into it,and starting to put layout into jrmi,thanks to all who devolop it.
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I have added sensors before and had them working but this time not so good
Ihave all? NCE equipment,via usb all good there
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I have added a basic Layout in Panel Editor ,added turnouts now onto sensors
I open sensor tab,give the sensor a name,in this case 4(aui01)and the input 6.
A green tick appears,but when i activate the sensor nothing shows
What step am i missing.I tried manually setting to active but didnt help.
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Is it a case of not getting the right info to jrmi?
Thanks for your time
Brett
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Re: Frequently Asked Questions/Topics/Official Announcements?
Sticky is all very well for people using the group's web interface. I don't, and I'm sure there are many like me who just let the messages arrive in email form, either individually or as digests.
Might be worth a poll.
Personally, I think a faq on the jmri site is a lot more useful, and the standard questions could than be handled with a reply in the form of a single link.
Doing that lists the messages singly, not threaded. Personally, I don't find that a useful format whatsoever.
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I agree with Andy - Move the stickies somewhere else, maybe leaving one sticky with a pointer to the rest. Some of the sticky content is already duplicated in the Wiki, why not put the rest there? Absolutely none of the other fora I follow, either on or elsewhere, whether MRR related or my other hobbies, are similarly cluttered.
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Besides, considering some of the posts I've seen (not just here), I doubt many people look at the stickies anyway.
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Steve
"Breezlys"
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On Sat, Mar 8, 2025 at 01:58 PM, Peter Ulvestad wrote:
I never see those first.
Change topics to messages and at the top right click on date so it shows the newest messages first.
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Re: Frequently Asked Questions/Topics/Official Announcements?
Doing that lists the messages singly, not threaded. Personally, I don't find that a useful format whatsoever.
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I agree with Andy - Move the stickies somewhere else, maybe leaving one sticky with a pointer to the rest. Some of the sticky content is already duplicated in the Wiki, why not put the rest there? Absolutely none of the other fora I follow, either on groups.io or elsewhere, whether MRR related or my other hobbies, are similarly cluttered.
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Besides, considering some of the posts I've seen (not just here), I doubt many people look at the stickies anyway.
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Steve
"Breezlys"
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On Sat, Mar 8, 2025 at 01:58 PM, Peter Ulvestad wrote:
I never see those first.
Change topics to messages and at the top right click on date so it shows the newest messages first.
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Peter Ulvestad
Linux Mint 22.1, JMRI 5.11.3plus, Java 21.0.5
JMRI Users Group Moderator ( /g/jmriusers )
JMRI Developers Group Moderator ( )
Tam Valley Group Moderator ( )
Sprog-DCC Group Moderator ( )
Edmonton Model Railroad Association ( )
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On 3/8/2025 10:10 PM, Leaving DC behind via groups.io wrote: Ok ladies and gents, I have a layout drawn up and in JMRI. I can pull the panel up use all the turnouts from the panel all this works great. My question after operating on a few different layouts. How do I get the panels to load once I select the profile I want for the panels to come up without having to select the file of the panels. I have the start up instructions set but what am I missing. I’ve seen several iterations once the profile is selected it brings up the panels belonging to that profile without actually having to select the files. Fr a given JMRI profile: "Edit"->"Preferences"->"Start Up". operate the "Add" button, and select "Load table content and panels...". Select the appropriate ".XML" file. "Save" the preferences. (BTW: If you will want to open any of the "Tools"->"Tables" windows as part of the JMRI "Start Up" preferences, be sure to add those windows _after_ loading the "XML" file. Why? If you open any of the "Tables" "windows" before loading the ".XML" file, the display of the table will likely re-sort all of the objects _for each and every object_, which can be very slow. instead, if the objects are loaded first, before the Table's window is opened, the process of opening the window only needs to be "sorted" one time.)
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Stewart,
The version you showed is the Java version. ?The JMRI version will be 5.something.
Edge Connector "links" are connections between two blocks. ?For example,
Panel 1 :: ?track segment (block A) -> EC [link] EC -> track segment (block Q) :: Panel 2
Dave Sand
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Subject: [jmriusers] Edge Connectors in Layout Editor. #layouteditor
Date: Saturday, March 08, 2025 9:26 PM
Hi, I am developing two Layout Panels for my two-level layout. I have added an Edge Connector on each Panel for the connecting track between the two panels. When I try to "Edit Link" to connect the Panels, nothing happens. No Dialogue Box appears. Has this occurred to others, and is there a fix? The JMRI version I am using is 17.0.13.
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Gents, ? Just wondering, where do I find the ‘track analysis tool’? ? I do not seem to be able to find it. ? Noel ?
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Subject: Re: [jmriusers] Track Analysis Tool #operationspro? however I do need to add flatcars and gondolas as they were down below 20% in total of all track types.
Not a good reason to add them.? It only means that your flatcars can only take 20% of the available track space, or 1/5 five cars could be a flatcar going to one of those track types.? I wouldn't change a thing. With regards to boxcars, I agree with you, you might have a few too many!
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years ago i backed up my PowerPro command station into JMRI ? It copied any macros and other data from the command station to a file in JMRI. Now I can’t find it
Could someone explain the process to backup the command station?
Thanks Jim Little MMR?
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Hi, I am developing two Layout Panels for my two-level layout. I have added an Edge Connector on each Panel for the connecting track between the two panels. When I try to "Edit Link" to connect the Panels, nothing happens. No Dialogue Box appears. Has this occurred to others, and is there a fix? The JMRI version I am using is 17.0.13.
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Cheers,
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Stewart
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Ok ladies and gents, I have a layout drawn up and in JMRI. I can pull the panel up use all the turnouts from the panel all this works great. My question after operating on a few different layouts. How do I get the panels to load once I select the profile I want for the panels to come up without having to select the file of the panels. I have the start up instructions set but what am I missing. I’ve seen several iterations once the profile is selected it brings up the panels belonging to that profile without actually having to select the files.
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Re: After Windows 11 upgrade I can no longer communicate via NCE USB module
#nce
#windows
I have all of the jumpers removed from the USB board.(I read that in a NCE tech note).
I will get the log data when I get home.
_____________________________________________ Bill Suarez - +1 508-735-7877 - wsuarez@...
Bill S, ? Looking deeper into the code, I see I need to know more things. I’ll recap: - System console so I can see:
- Version of JMRI
- Version returned by the NCE USB
- The logged error message
- NCE command station firmware version id
- That’s either 1.28something or 1.65something.
? But so far it is looking like you may not have the right jumper settings in the NCE USB and the version ID it is giving doesn’t match what it should be for the SB5 system. But depending on which jumper settings, the baud rate may also need
to change to match what it expects. ? But with the details above, I can guide the right answers. ? -Ken Cameron, Member JMRI Dev Team
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Re: After Windows 11 upgrade I can no longer communicate via NCE USB module
#nce
#windows
Bill S, ? Looking deeper into the code, I see I need to know more things. I’ll recap: - System console so I can see:
- Version of JMRI
- Version returned by the NCE USB
- The logged error message
- NCE command station firmware version id
- That’s either 1.28something or 1.65something.
? But so far it is looking like you may not have the right jumper settings in the NCE USB and the version ID it is giving doesn’t match what it should be for the SB5 system. But depending on which jumper settings, the baud rate may also need to change to match what it expects. ? But with the details above, I can guide the right answers. ? -Ken Cameron, Member JMRI Dev Team
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Re: command centre same loconet operation over and over and over and over in a loop
Thanks, Dick Bronson, Would have never thought that would be the issue. If you can have an Unscheduled Disassembly of a rocket mid flight (twice in 2 month)
I guess the New "Buffer Dump" Feature isn't that bad in comparison.
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Is this the beginning of the New Dark Ages?
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Inobu
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Speed testing, Sensors, Speedometer output
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As I posted a few weeks ago, I'm setting up a speed matching loop.? Using 8 BD-20 NCE detectors, 1 AIU, PH-Pro, RS-232 to computer running JMRI (Windows 11 OS).
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Using the Ultimate Speed Matching (USM) scripts as a basis, modifications seem to be working well with the following exceptions:
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Speed measurements can be all over the place due to "bounce" on the detectors.? The JMRI Speedometer Tool seems to not see this as much (doing exit to exit on the tool).? So will adding de-bounce to the 8 sensors help?? Do I use active bounce, inactive bounce, both?? Does this change the factors for calculating speeds since in the script, it's looking for sensors changed?
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Is there a way for the USM script to open up the speedometer windows and provide an output back to the USM script.? In other words, is there a way in the USM script to call the speedometer and get the result back to use rather than the timers used in the USM script?
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Another couple anomalies:
--? After the script is complete, I then run the loco at the speed steps and measure the expected speed and it seems to run a couple mph slower than during the script.
--? Has anyone figured out how to speed match with an ESU decoder where SS28 is always 255 and the top of the curve is adjusted with CV5 and the rest of CV67-94 are proportional?
--? Using the 3rd lowest measured speed seems to be a short cut.? Has anyone taken the measured speeds, throw out the top two and bottom two and return the average speed?
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I have a current methodology to manually set the speed table by running the loco at SS 5, 10, 15, 20, 24, 28 and entering the measured speed into a spreadsheet that then tells me what setting to set each of those to in order to get the desired speeds (my standard is 10, 20, 30, 40, 55, 70 at those SS).? After I get more of the bugs worked out of the modified USM script, I'll take a turn at trying this method.
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Phil Hartung?
Idaho Falls, ID
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Ken Cameron