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Re: Decoder pro cant read decoder
On 3/6/2025 10:31 PM, Marc N Fournier via groups.io wrote:
First off, no DCC System will READ on the Main without additional hardware.Not quite. I own a commercially-available DCC command station which _can_ read mobile decoder CV values "On the Main" from _some_ mobile decoders _without_ additional hardware. Owned it for a few years. There are some other DCC command stations, by different manufacturers, which can do so, too. But _all_ of these systems have limitations for allowing "Programming on the Main CV Reads", including: . Those command stations can support "reading of mobile decoder CVs On the Main" from only certain types of mobile decoders. Some of these solutions only support reading of mobile decoder CVs On The Main when using the DCC system manufacturer's decoders using its special electrical signaling. Other solutions support a different electrical mechanism that is aligned with the NMRA's optional "RailCom" feature. If the mobile decoder does not support the required electrical signaling solution, then the decoder cannot be "read" using the command station's special hardware which can otherwise support CV Reads when performing "programming on the Main". - Those command stations can support "reading of mobile decoder CVs On the Main" when the supported decoder decoder is on a chunk of track that is powered by the command station's DCC Track outputs. If the mobile decoder is located on track powered by a different "booster", it will (probably) not be readable "on the main". - Those command stations can support "reading of mobile decoder CVs On the Main" when the supported decoder decoder is configured to allow Programming on the Main "Read" access. If the decoder supports the Programming on the main Read" feature, but has it "disabled", then the mobile decoder will not be able to perform "programming on the main reads". Other restrictions may apply, like "certain manufacturers' decoders put so much electrical interference onto the DCC track signal that they can prevent Programming on the Main CV Reads from working reliably to _other_ decoders". In this case, it may be necessary to remove those badly-behaving locos from the command station's trackage when trying to perform Programming on the Main CV Reads. FYI - I believe that at least _some_ Tsunami mobile decoders _can_ have their CVs "read" via "Programming on the main" with a certain manufacturer's command station hardware. Check with SoundTraxx and the command station's manufacturer for confirmation. |
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Re: Decoder pro cant read decoder
开云体育You can’t read decoders on the main. You must use the program track.?What command station are you using? This loco probably has a Tsunami-1 decoder, which requires a program track booster like Soundtraxx’s PTB-100 with older Digitrax command stations. ?You’re not using a DB150, by any chance? ?That one doesn’t have a readable program track at all. Mick ________________________________ Mick Moignard Specialising in DCC Sound m: +44 7774 652504 The week may start M,T but it always ends WTF. |
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Re: Decoder pro cant read decoder
开云体育While not impossible, it’s VERY challenging to correctly change addresses on the main. Best avoided at all costs (you can easily end up with your loco misprogrammed!)Set the address ON THE PROGRAMMING TRACK, then you can do everything else on the main
Phil G On 7 Mar 2025, at 01:35, AD via groups.io <bklyns_baseball_club@...> wrote:
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Re: Decoder pro cant read decoder
That means decoder pro is looking for the engine on the programming track when it’s on the main . The ‘program on main’ is selected but whited out. Since i cant read the decoder i cant get the decoder pro to select ‘program on main’ using the big boy.
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Yes it’s an old tsunami decoder but decoder pro lists many versions of that decoder under the title of steam engines and a bunch of different steam engines.. Do you know what version is in the bigboy and the challenger Tony On Mar 6, 2025, at 10:31?PM, Marc N Fournier via groups.io <forfoum@...> wrote: |
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Re: Decoder pro cant read decoder
First off, no DCC System will READ on the Main without additional hardware.
Second These Athearn engines used the older Tsunami decoder and they require a Program Track Booster (PTB-100) to READ on the Program track other wise they will fail on the READ. There is no ACK involved in a WRITE on MAIN, so your last error indicator makes no sense ( no engine on Main ) as the system does a blind write on the main. Marc |
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Re: Help learning automation
#automation
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- thanks. Even that tidbit is great for me - I had not separated out 'operations' from 'dispatch/automation'.? Right now i am more interested in the latter...
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Re: Upgrading
#upgrading
The install program and launch program are 32 bit, that way you dont need 2 jmri installs. At execute time it evaluates the 32/64 conundrum.
Steve G.
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Re: Decoder pro cant read decoder
开云体育Sorry i misread your message.I did place the Athern big boy on the programming track and selected new loco and read the decoder. Got no response and error message about an acknowledgement. Thus i cannot determine what decoder is in the engine. So i use another engine and have decoder pro identify its decoder. I then select programming on the main and put the bigboy on the main. ?I write the long address to the decoder and get message that there is no engine on the mainline. So what do i now do Tony On Mar 6, 2025, at 7:43?PM, thomasmclae via groups.io <mclae5-lists@...> wrote:
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Re: Decoder pro cant read decoder
开云体育Sorry but placing the engine on the main and selecting new loco then ‘read type from decoder’ gives a message that there is no loco on the main line. I can run the engine on the main using address 3 but the decoder pro cant find it.That’s the problem i am trying to solve. How does decoder pro find the engine? Tony On Mar 6, 2025, at 7:43?PM, thomasmclae via groups.io <mclae5-lists@...> wrote:
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Re: Upgrading
#upgrading
On Thu, Mar 6, 2025 at 06:27 PM, Breezlys wrote:
On my Win11 layout computer, the 64-bit Java is in C:\Program Files, and JMRI is in C:\Program Files (x86).? Same for me.
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Re: Decoder pro cant read decoder
First no reading with POM. (Programming on Main)
Place your Lok on the programming track and do new decoder, followed by read type from decoder.
read the main page to get the Lok address. Find the pages with stuff you want to change and read those pages t00. (All is best if you have the time)
Save that as roster entry.
The you can go to POM and select that roster entry, which has the address and other data.
You can now program everything except the address with POM.
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Re: Upgrading
#upgrading
On Thu, Mar 6, 2025 at 02:32 PM, danielb987 wrote:
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Nope!
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On my Win11 layout computer, the 64-bit Java is in C:\Program Files, and JMRI is in C:\Program Files (x86).?
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I (almost!) always use the default paths when installing software, so that's where Windows put them.
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Re: migrating from RR&C Train Controller 5.5 B1
开云体育Dale, Just one comment, and that is that JMRI has full support for the new NMRA LCC standards if you have any interest in that. Getting LCC equipment to interface with Train Controller is convoluted at best, and AFAIK involves converting all messages into LocoNet format. I am not aware of any meaningful TC support for LCC command stations. (existing or future) As of our last conversations a year or so ago, the author of TC had no intention of upgrading TC so that it could support the larger address space used by LCC. (i.e. from 32 bit to 64 bit variables) As a proprietary commercial program, that could change at any
moment without notice. I am just commenting based on my own
experience. Dick :) On 3/5/2025 11:39 AM, Nigel Cliffe via
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Re: ESU 51840 SignalPilot
#definitions
Peter, thanks for your quick answer.
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I felt that SignalPilot was similar to Switchpilot, because when creating a new decoder project in Lokprogrammer, SignalPilot is the first selectable one in the Switchpilot tab of decoder selections.
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I will try to have a look to some of the Switchpilot supported by DecoderPro to have an idea of how to define one for SignalPilot and, in the meantime, if any other colleague is building something specific for SignalPilot I would appreciate any idea of help for doing it.
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Re: Help learning automation
#automation
Peter, "routes, trains, manifests, and operations" are parts of Operations, which is used to move cargo between locations, such as staging, yards and industries. Running trains automatically is normally done using the Dispatcher tools. ?This is implemented by Sections and Transits. ?The initial help page is at? You can also use Jython scripting to automate running trains but that is a lot of programming work. Dave Sand ----- Original message ----- From: "peterparsons.pub via groups.io" <peterparsons.pub=[email protected]> Subject: [jmriusers] Help learning automation Date: Thursday, March 06, 2025 2:05 PM Hi All, ? I decided 3 months ago today to 'dive' into DCC based model railroading for the first time, though I've know about it for 25+ years.? I figured getting started was the best way- and I have a long shelf along the wall behind my home standing desk that I envisioned as the main line for sort of a dog-bone layout.? ? So.. I dove into n scale, Digitrax, Kato Unitrack, and have my training layout built (already on Version2 of it - as you all alluded to here!).? My layout has 16 blocks (BXP88 controlled), 1 auto rev section, one double crossover, about 10 turnouts (all with DS15k1s - don't get me started on that learning curve with BXP88s and shunt resistors).? Scenery is a future vision, after I really understand operations. ? And on to this email. I have installed JMRI - I am a Mac guy , so this is running on Mac Mini.? I have PanelPro running, talking to my LocoNet layout. I built the layout in layout editor, declared all the blocks, turnouts etc. I used the roster editor to enter my 3 engines (one is a consisted F7A-B unit).. And lots of learning - at the basic level I am up an running. I can run trains via throttles in JMRI, and blocks light up and turnout throw - that's all awesome , it was my first goal 'run trains from SW'. ? However, the NEXT step looks like a really steep learning curve - creating, routes, trains, manifests, and operations.? My next goal is that JMRI can run trains on routes I create, and manage them simultaneously - an automated operations setup.? I watch all the videos I can (not too encouraged by what I find on YouTube), and I joined this group a month or two ago which has been great.? ? So my ask is this - any other tutorials, pointers, help with this next part of the journey?? ?Advice, hints, and help greatly appreciated.? -Peter ? |
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Re: Upgrading
#upgrading
开云体育Ken, Isn't that a question of whenever he is using 64bit or 32bit Java? If Java is 64bit, I would assume JMRI to be in C:\Program Files\JMRI and if Java is 32bit, I would assume JMRI to be in C:\Program Files (x86)\JMRI. Daniel On 2025-03-06 15:52, Ken Cameron wrote:
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Re: ESU 51840 SignalPilot
#definitions
The SignalPilot and SwitchPilot are two different things, I assume the SignalPilot can't use the SwitchPilot definition.
Since there is no definition in JMRI for the SignalPilot you will need to wait for someone to create one or create one yourself. -- Peter Ulvestad Linux Mint 22.1, JMRI 5.11.3plus, Java 21.0.5 JMRI Users Group Moderator ( /g/jmriusers ) JMRI Developers Group Moderator ( ) Tam Valley Group Moderator ( ) Sprog-DCC Group Moderator ( ) Edmonton Model Railroad Association ( ) |
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Decoder pro cant read decoder
I have a Athern model big boy model 22900 dcc w sound #4005. I cant read the decoder with digitrax or decoder pro on programming track.
i would like to try on the main.
i put engine on mainline. First i cant choose mainline programming. So i put an engine i can read on the programming track ,read it, select main line programming. Shut off decoder pro. Turn on
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I don’t know what decoder it is so i choose the decoder manually using sound train tsunami -steam and get many to choose from so i pick one at random to open a programming window and go to the motor page. I enter a long address and try writing. ?Get message it cant find a loco on the main but its there and power is on.
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please tell me how to get this one cv changed on the decoder..
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i cant read the decoder type when on the main
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please list a procedure
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also does anyone know what decoder is in this engine.
also same for challenger model 22923?
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ESU 51840 SignalPilot
#definitions
Hi, I am a new user of DecoderPro, I have installed ? Wiundows 11? JMRI 5.10 and later on 5.11.3 installed Java 17 ?Using as central station an Intellibox I, COM=3, Loconet, 19.200bps ? I defined the CVs for a brand new SignalPilot using lokprogrammer software, exported as CSV and imported in DecoderPro as a Switchpilot. ? Started to program SignalPilot in the Programming track, everything goes OK till CV118, after that I get error message: ? Exception during CV write: java.lang.NumberFormatException: For input string: “16.6.306” ? CV118 is just where the indexed CVs in the ESU decoder start. ? I looked for some other CVs till then and they seems to have been correctly programmed, but with this error DecoderPro hungs and the only way is to stop the OpenJava task via Task manager in Windows system. ? Is there any possibility to solve that error and to do the full SignalPilot programming? ? Thanks and regards. ? Javier |
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Help learning automation
#automation
Hi All,
? I decided 3 months ago today to 'dive' into DCC based model railroading for the first time, though I've know about it for 25+ years.? I figured
getting started was the best way- and I have a long shelf along the wall behind my home standing desk that I envisioned as the main line for sort of a dog-bone layout.?
? So.. I dove into n scale, Digitrax, Kato Unitrack, and have my training layout built (already on Version2 of it - as you all alluded to here!).? My layout has 16 blocks (BXP88 controlled), 1 auto rev section, one double crossover, about 10 turnouts (all with DS15k1s - don't get me started on that learning curve with BXP88s and shunt resistors).? Scenery is a future vision, after I really understand operations.
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And on to this email. I have installed JMRI - I am a Mac guy , so this is running on Mac Mini.? I have PanelPro running, talking to my LocoNet layout. I built the layout in layout editor, declared all the blocks, turnouts etc. I used the roster editor to enter my 3 engines (one is a consisted F7A-B unit).. And lots of learning - at the basic level I am up an running. I can run trains via throttles in JMRI, and blocks light up and turnout throw - that's all awesome , it was my first goal 'run trains from SW'.
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However, the NEXT step looks like a really steep learning curve - creating, routes, trains, manifests, and operations.? My next goal is that JMRI can run trains on routes I create, and manage them simultaneously - an automated operations setup.? I watch all the videos I can (not too encouraged by what I find on YouTube), and I joined this group a month or two ago which has been great.?
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So my ask is this - any other tutorials, pointers, help with this next part of the journey?? ?Advice, hints, and help greatly appreciated.?
-Peter
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Peter Ulvestad
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