On Thu, Jan 9, 2025 at 11:35 AM, Roger Booth wrote:
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Still don't understand why 5.10 behaves differently to 4.26 though - puzzling!!
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I hate to be Captain Obvious here, but considering all the fixes/changes/additions/(sometimes) subtractions that have been made by the developers in the three years since 4.26 was released, I'd be surprised if any given part of JMRI didn't behave differently. After all, that's why they release new versions!
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Re: Getting latest decoder definitions vs. JMRI release vs. Java version
Perhaps you meant Uninstall...
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On 09/01/2025 12:54, Phil G via groups.io wrote: Oh and be sure to install ANY existing JAVA first.
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Re: Getting latest decoder definitions vs. JMRI release vs. Java version
All,
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I think Phil G means to UNinstall any existing Java version before installing the latest one.
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Re: Getting latest decoder definitions vs. JMRI release vs. Java version
Ian,
Azul does NOT have a sign up requirement. ?Just click on "Download Now". ?They do offer other services, but you don't need them.
Dave Sand
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Subject: Re: [jmriusers] Getting latest decoder definitions vs. JMRI release vs. Java version
Date: Thursday, January 09, 2025 11:50 AM
Peter, thanks for the signposts. I wasn't aware that Java was available from anyone other than Oracle; also the distinction between JRE and JDK is valuable. It appears to be necessary to sign up with Azul to get the download. When I find my lucky rabbit's foot, I'll set about the task.
Thanks, all, for comments.
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Ian Wheeler
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Re: Getting latest decoder definitions vs. JMRI release vs. Java version
You only need to sign up if you want update reminders. I don¡¯t, so I didn¡¯t
Just be sure you download the .msi file. ?When it¡¯s downloaded, double click to ?install. Oh and be sure to install ANY existing JAVA first. If in doubt run ¡°Java -version¡± in a command windows. If JAVA is uninstalled you¡¯ll get an error
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On 9 Jan 2025, at 17:50, Ian W via groups.io <ian@...> wrote:
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Peter, thanks for the signposts. I wasn't aware that Java was available from anyone other than Oracle; also the distinction between JRE and JDK is valuable. It appears to be necessary to sign up with Azul to get the download. When I find my lucky rabbit's
foot, I'll set about the task.
Thanks, all, for comments.
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Ian Wheeler
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Re: Getting latest decoder definitions vs. JMRI release vs. Java version
On Thu, Jan 9, 2025 at 09:10 AM, Ian W wrote:
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If Java is available from other vendors (I had no idea), and if Phil G is able to run Java 17 on Windows 8 (!), then there's something here to be investigated.
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It's mentioned, with a link, in bold even, with the release notes for each release. You DO read the release notes, right?
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Steve
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Re: Getting latest decoder definitions vs. JMRI release vs. Java version
Peter, thanks for the signposts. I wasn't aware that Java was available from anyone other than Oracle; also the distinction between JRE and JDK is valuable. It appears to be necessary to sign up with Azul to get the download. When I find my lucky rabbit's foot, I'll set about the task.
Thanks, all, for comments.
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Ian Wheeler
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Oh, and you only need to rebuild the decoder index ONCE per new decoder family. Any edits you make do NOT require another rebuild
Until you upgrade JMRI anyway
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On 9 Jan 2025, at 17:35, Roger Booth via groups.io <rbooth123@...> wrote:
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Thanks for your response. Yes I use My_Jmri_Railroad directory so I put my decoder profile in there and used "Import Decoder Profile" within DecoderPro.
It worked fine with version 4.26 but not with 5.10. I have uninstalled everything again and re-installed 5.10 but still could not get it to work. I will look at your way of doing it using "rebuild decoder index" but as you say that would take much longer
as it will be looking at all the decoders, not just my new one!
Still don't understand why 5.10 behaves differently to 4.26 though - puzzling!!
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Roger
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Ditto
No need or reason to ¡°import¡± anything
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On 9 Jan 2025, at 16:00, Nigel Cliffe via groups.io <nigel.cliffe@...> wrote:
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How are you importing your home-written decoder profile ?
The way I've always done locally developed decoder files is as follows:?
a)? Place my home-written decoder file in the folder for local decoders for the specific JMRI connection profile.? On Windows, this is typically:?
C:\users\myname\jmri\JMRI-Profile-Name\decoders
( The default "JMRI-Profile-Name" is "My_JMRI_Railroad" )
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b)? From the JMRI menus, run the command "rebuild decoder index".? ?This can take quite a while to complete - several minutes.? ?That installs the decoder file into the list of decoders known to JMRI.??
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Date 09/01/2025 08:28:24
Subject Re: [jmriusers] Decoderpro version 5.10 #definitions
Hi,
Thanks for the responses. I wanted to import my own decoder profile not one of the standard ones already supplied with the software and yes I followed the import procedures.
I did not update version 4.26 to 5.10, but did a fresh install in both cases. My previous version (I think) was 4.16 and I uninstalled this first, then installed 5.10. When I couldn't import my decoder profile, I uninstalled it, and then installed 4.26
and everything worked fine. So still puzzled why 5.10 would not work properly.
Regards
Roger
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Hi Nigel,?
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Thanks for your response. Yes I use My_Jmri_Railroad directory so I put my decoder profile in there and used "Import Decoder Profile" within DecoderPro.
It worked fine with version 4.26 but not with 5.10. I have uninstalled everything again and re-installed 5.10 but still could not get it to work. I will look at your way of doing it using "rebuild decoder index" but as you say that would take much longer as it will be looking at all the decoders, not just my new one!
Still don't understand why 5.10 behaves differently to 4.26 though - puzzling!!
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Roger
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Re: Problem with Dispatcher and 'Head Only' auto trains
#dispatcher
Malcolm
Just run it. with entire train, which will work as it did before. The head only does all the releasing without adding you own logic.
Head only uses train length for releasing.
Steve G.
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Problem with Dispatcher and 'Head Only' auto trains
#dispatcher
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I have recently updated to run 5.11.1 from 4.26, both on Java 11. I use Dispatcher extensively to run 'Auto Trains' around my loft layout. After much effort a I had a comprehensive set of transits and saved 'Train Info' files set up to run many permutations of starting point, end point, direction around layout, DCC address and loco direction.
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I run dispatcher with 'no signals', but use section allocations (the direction sensors) via logix to set signals ahead active only when the line is allocated. I do not use conductive wheel sets and instead use logix, train length and transit actions to make blocks active/inactive. This works well but admittedly doesn't capture train breaks, but those are rare.
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So the problem is, when I now create a new train info file under 5.11.1 I have to choose the 'Head Only' train detection option and this operates a very different allocation/ release routine than the previous and trains become grid-locked.
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My old train info files run correctly, so for me a quick fix would be to have a train detection option which retains the original allocation/release routine. Is that possible please? It could be called 'Head Only - quick release'?
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Malcolm
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Java 11
Merg DCC via CBus
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How are you importing your home-written decoder profile ?
The way I've always done locally developed decoder files is as follows:?
a)? Place my home-written decoder file in the folder for local decoders for the specific JMRI connection profile.? On Windows, this is typically:?
C:\users\myname\jmri\JMRI-Profile-Name\decoders
( The default "JMRI-Profile-Name" is "My_JMRI_Railroad" )
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b)? From the JMRI menus, run the command "rebuild decoder index".? ?This can take quite a while to complete - several minutes.? ?That installs the decoder file into the list of decoders known to JMRI.??
- Nigel
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Date 09/01/2025 08:28:24
Subject Re: [jmriusers] Decoderpro version 5.10 #definitions
Hi,
Thanks for the responses. I wanted to import my own decoder profile not one of the standard ones already supplied with the software and yes I followed the import procedures.
I did not update version 4.26 to 5.10, but did a fresh install in both cases. My previous version (I think) was 4.16 and I uninstalled this first, then installed 5.10. When I couldn't import my decoder profile, I uninstalled it, and then installed 4.26
and everything worked fine. So still puzzled why 5.10 would not work properly.
Regards
Roger
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Re: Getting latest decoder definitions vs. JMRI release vs. Java version
Been using Azuls for the last 3 or 4 years
8 then 11 now 17 ??
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On 9 Jan 2025, at 15:10, Ian W via groups.io <ian@...> wrote:
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To Bob: I'm running Windows 10 on an Intel i5-8500T @ 2.11 GHz, supported by 16 GB RAM; 64-bit OS, which doesn't seem too shabby to me.
If Java is available from other vendors (I had no idea), and if Phil G is able to run Java 17 on Windows 8 (!), then there's something here to be investigated.
Phil G: exciting! Can you tell us whose Java 17 you're using?
Thanks, guys.
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Re: Getting latest decoder definitions vs. JMRI release vs. Java version
Ian, Please have a look at this page. -- Peter Ulvestad Linux Mint 22, JMRI 5.11.1plus, Java 21.0.5 JMRI Users Group Moderator ( /g/jmriusers ) JMRI Developers Group Moderator ( ) Tam Valley Group Moderator ( ) Sprog-DCC Group Moderator ( ) Edmonton Model Railroad Association ( )
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Re: Getting latest decoder definitions vs. JMRI release vs. Java version
(Further reply while my previous is being moderated)
Phil G, thanks for mentioning Azuls Java 17. I'll investigate that.
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Re: Getting latest decoder definitions vs. JMRI release vs. Java version
To Bob: I'm running Windows 10 on an Intel i5-8500T @ 2.11 GHz, supported by 16 GB RAM; 64-bit OS, which doesn't seem too shabby to me.
If Java is available from other vendors (I had no idea), and if Phil G is able to run Java 17 on Windows 8 (!), then there's something here to be investigated.
Phil G: exciting! Can you tell us whose Java 17 you're using?
Thanks, guys.
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Hi,
Thanks for the responses. I wanted to import my own decoder profile not one of the standard ones already supplied with the software and yes I followed the import procedures.
I did not update version 4.26 to 5.10, but did a fresh install in both cases. My previous version (I think) was 4.16 and I uninstalled this first, then installed 5.10. When I couldn't import my decoder profile, I uninstalled it, and then installed 4.26 and everything worked fine. So still puzzled why 5.10 would not work properly.
Regards
Roger
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Re: Panels not rendering well on older iPads
#webserver
What is the URL of the page that isn't working? That looks like it is still going to a /panel page, instead of a /frame page, but I can't see the URL in the screenshot.?
I'd also like to see the websocket.org page, as this symptom looks 99.9% like a WebSocket issue.
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Re: Panels not rendering well on older iPads
#webserver
Hello SteveT -
The websocket protocol works on the older iPads (I checked on echo.websocket.org). I also enabled "frames" and this didn't solve the problem. See the attached pictures for a panel that worked and one that doesn't work.
I appreciate any other suggestions you or others have.
Thanks!
Michael
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Michael
Modeling the CNW low line
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Ian W
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