Eric,

You did not answer my question about the initial turnout states after starting PanelPro and loading the xml file.

There is another step. ?Before starting PanelPro, start the NCE command station from a power off. ?After the command station is running, turn on track power. ?Now start PanelPro and load the xml file. ?Before doing anything else, what are the turnout table states?

Dave Sand

I should add that the newer iPads work just fine.

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Michael
Modeling the CNW low line

Eric,

How do you know that it queries the physical turnout. ?Do you see a turnout message in the NCE Monitor?

Dave Sand

Hello -

I recently upgraded JMRI to 5.10 running Java 11.0.11. I've been using the webserver to run panels on multiple iPADs using Safari:

The two older iPads do not render the panel graphics correctly: Part of the panel is showing part is not. I've done the usual fixes (restarts, refresh). The operating system and browser cannot be further updated on the older iPads.

Any help you can provide would be greatly appreciated.

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Thanks!,

Michael

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Michael
Modeling the CNW low line

Dave,

That is exactly what I was talking about. When you do that click on the turnout, either on the Main Panel graphic or the Turnout Table, JMRI first queries the physical turnout. If the physical turnout state is different than the digital twin in JMRI, JMRI updates the digital twin's state in Panel Pro to reflect reality.

If you click a second time, a command is issued to change the state and then Panel Pro updates to reflect the new state.

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I wanted to know if that functionality is, or could be, exposed somewhere as a function that could be called by a program.? If so, one could periodically run a polling program and update the panel for anything that got changes locally. Since most turnouts are not being actually changed, the power / bandwidth used should be minimal.

Hi Peter

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Just saw this now. I will connect via discord.

- John

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On Thu, Jan 9, 2025 at 11:04 AM, jngeddes wrote:

1. Re load

- Does the indicator of 1.00 == no extra load?

no.? ?0 = no extra load.? Remember it is exponential, so on a five point scale, 1 is only a bit more 2 as a fair bit more ... 5 is a hell of a lot.

- Load indicator seems to positive and negative but I can't determine why or whether this matters

- I can't figure out the load algorithm (3 load steps, load multiplier 100) load goes from 1.00 to 1.30 to 2.20 to 3.70

That is not a load indicator.? That is, behind-the-scenes, a momentum calculation.? It is combination of the load and brake. I intend to hide it in the final versions.

- When I set the load multiplier to 20 or 200, I get the same progression. A bug? Or am I doing something wrong?

umm... I see a huge difference in the momentum calculation.

Setting up these parameters for reasonable loco performance is requires a fair bit of "try it and see" given that I am also working with decoder momentum, so understanding the relationship of load step to throttle impact would be really helpful. I am assuming that that is what the load indicator is intended to provide.

Ok, I'll document it.

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2. Re brakes

- I have been using the ESU three brake option - functions 4, 5, and 6.

- To keep it simple I have 3 brake steps

- Brake steps 1, 2 and 3 activate F4, F5 and F6 as expected. I like how it highlights the function in the normal function button section of the throttle.

- What is the slider bar to the immediate left of the brake panel showing?

That is an attempt to represent the air reservoir. If the reservoir is empty You can't apply brake, or full brake.

i.e. if you dump the brakes, the reservoir empties.? You can't fully reapply till it fills.

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3. Re Accel/Decel settings

- The Repeat Delay setting implies it goes up from 1 msec. But it seems like there is some slower minimum speed step repeat delay. about 1 sec? True?

I don't see that. For me it steps at about the rate set. It won't be exactly that as it sends then receives a response, so there can be a little bit of delay.

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The combination of the repeat delay(s) and the step effectively set the base momentum (no load) on the loco.

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If you want to work with me on this I am happy for you to email me or contact me on the DCC-EX Discord server. ?? ?'flash62au (Peter)'

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Peter Akers?
[Brisbane - Queensland - Australia]?

On Wed, Jan 8, 2025 at 08:05 PM, Jon Schmidt wrote:

Are you saying that the same schedule could be assigned to Spur A in match mode, and Spur B in sequential mode?? How?

For any given spur, select the schedule you want, and then select which mode to run it.

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Dan

Hi George,

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re Onboard Loco Simulator

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Quite the project. Interesting. I agree -- wouldn't it be nice if such functionality could be built in to all decoders (assuming it didn't add a lot more cost). Perhaps it will come someday. The functionality of the ESP32-based technology is very impressive.

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In terms of your idea for ED buttons, in my limited experimentation, I came to the conclusion that your idea of using the DOWN button to invoke a given function (brake) would be handy. I might still lean to a horn-like momentary action rather than a latching action but that is hard to confirm without actually being able to try it.

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- John

I did see that the schedule and mode are in the location export.? I'm confused, tho.? Are you saying that the same schedule could be assigned to Spur A in match mode, and Spur B in sequential mode?? How?

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Thanks for enhancing the schedule export.

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Jon

Hi Peter,

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Some questions after several hours of playing around ...

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1. Re load

- Does the indicator of 1.00 == no extra load?

- Load indicator seems to positive and negative but I can't determine why or whether this matters

- I can't figure out the load algorithm (3 load steps, load multiplier 100) load goes from 1.00 to 1.30 to 2.20 to 3.70

- When I set the load multiplier to 20 or 200, I get the same progression. A bug? Or am I doing something wrong?

Setting up these parameters for reasonable loco performance is requires a fair bit of "try it and see" given that I am also working with decoder momentum, so understanding the relationship of load step to throttle impact would be really helpful. I am assuming that that is what the load indicator is intended to provide.

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2. Re brakes

- I have been using the ESU three brake option - functions 4, 5, and 6.

- To keep it simple I have 3 brake steps

- Brake steps 1, 2 and 3 activate F4, F5 and F6 as expected. I like how it highlights the function in the normal function button section of the throttle.

- What is the slider bar to the immediate left of the brake panel showing?

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3. Re Accel/Decel settings

- The Repeat Delay setting implies it goes up from 1 msec. But it seems like there is some slower minimum speed step repeat delay. about 1 sec? True?

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Thanks

John

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Eric,

After starting PanelPro and loading the layout xml data file, go to the turnout table. ?What is the current state for the turnouts?

Now do one click and see if anything changed in the turnout table.

Dave Sand

In the transit definition there are transit section actions for each section in a transit.

One of? the available? triggers is "on stop". So on stop set estop.

Steve G.

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That makes sense, Mike.? Thanks for explaining that.? However, I can confirm everything is always written on the mainline correctly as I do sound volume changes and speed matching and have yet to have any issues.

When you write on the main there is no feedback checking the writing so it will not cause an error if it fails to write as command station doesn't know.

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Mike

Peter, Robin & James,

To end my input into this message thread, after watching Peter’s YT videos on their setup, I today found the simple BT joystick gamepads I purchased probably 5-6 years ago, charged one up, updated to todays latest Beta version of ED and ran a JMRI Ops generated switchlist. I had the gamepad wrist strapped in my left hand and switched cars for 1-1/4 hours straight using my right hand for the clipboard and uncoupling pic. I never once looked at the gamepad and my arm hung down the entire time. I switch slowly with my momentumed loco and never lost control. ?This is exactly what I’ve been looking for. I’ll forgo the BT knob idea for now. Thanks all.?
Ken

I don't know if this will sow any seeds, Peter, but in the days of Loksound v3.5 I was fudging a working brake by using a combination of the Acceleration/Brake time and Shunting Mode to simulate braking.

Acceleration/Brake Time cuts out all momentum and Shunting Mode halves the speed. In my case there is still some manual work pressing a function button and working the throttle knob but I imagine that could be programmed into Engine Driver.

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Later Loksounds, of course have a working brake.

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Peter

Jean Louis,

The last selection at the bottom of the block table is retained in the user-interface.xml file within the profile directory.

Dave Sand