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Locked Re: Number of cars on layout #operationspro

 

On Thu, Oct 24, 2024 at 08:08 AM, Mark P. wrote:
I'll know I have enough when the refinery begins receiving and shipping capacity cuts of cars (14-16 per session). I'm betting that will be pushing a total of 100 cars.
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If you're expecting the refinery to be handled in one cut, be sure that the route that services the refinery allows for (a) the correct number of moves, and (b) the correct maximum length.
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You might also find that running into and out of the refinery as a single group (what JMRI Ops calls a ) is of use to you. You could start with a low number of cars in the kernel and then run a number of simulated sessions in JMRI to ensure everything cycles as needed.
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Locked Re: Difference between Transit and Route?

 

Since you are new to JMRI, I recommend that you look at?

That will provide an introduction to Layout Editor, setting up blocks and implementing signaling. ?These are prerequisites for creating Sections and Transits for use by Dispatcher.

Dave Sand


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From: Dave Sand <ds@...>
Subject: Re: [jmriusers] Difference between Transit and Route?
Date: Thursday, October 24, 2024 12:33 PM

You can define Routes for other purposes. ?Dispatcher uses transits which uses sections which uses blocks.

Dave Sand


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From: "tour-mayors.0e via groups.io" <tour-mayors.0e=[email protected]>
Subject: Re: [jmriusers] Difference between Transit and Route?
Date: Thursday, October 24, 2024 12:23 PM

Thanks
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So do I need to define routes at all? ?Will only transits do I want to run trains via dispatcher?
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Locked Re: Difference between Transit and Route?

 

You can define Routes for other purposes. ?Dispatcher uses transits which uses sections which uses blocks.

Dave Sand


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From: "tour-mayors.0e via groups.io" <tour-mayors.0e=[email protected]>
Subject: Re: [jmriusers] Difference between Transit and Route?
Date: Thursday, October 24, 2024 12:23 PM

Thanks
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So do I need to define routes at all? ?Will only transits do I want to run trains via dispatcher?
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Locked Re: Difference between Transit and Route?

 

Thanks
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So do I need to define routes at all? ?Will only transits do I want to run trains via dispatcher?
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Locked Re: Difference between Transit and Route?

 

A "Route" is used to set a group of turnouts and/or sensors to specific states. ?For example, you can have a Route for each yard track the sets the yard ladder turnouts to the correct states. ?Another common use is to set the initial states of turnouts and sensors after loading the layout data xml file.

"Transits" are built from "Sections" which contain "Blocks". ?The Layout Editor block topology defines the block relationships and turnout states. ?A transit contains two or more sections and defines sequence of blocks to be used by a train controlled by Dispatcher. ?Dispatcher can be used by a person to manage a set of trains by preventing conflicting moves. ?Dispatcher can also be used to automatically run computer controlled trains. ?When Dispatcher allocates a section, it can set the turnouts within the section.

Dave Sand


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From: "tour-mayors.0e via groups.io" <tour-mayors.0e=[email protected]>
Subject: [jmriusers] Difference between Transit and Route?
Date: Thursday, October 24, 2024 10:35 AM

I am new to JMRI and while reading the manual, I came across the concepts of Route and Transits.?
I am a bit confused about why we need these two different concepts.?
Doesn't defining a transit also sets the states of turnouts and sensors? ?What exactly is a Route needed?
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Do the route and transit have to match each other?
Thanks for clarifying.
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Locked Re: WiThrottle protocol issue at low speed steps #withrottleserver #enginedriver

 

George,

can you verify two things for me?

1) What's your command station setting?
2) What does the Loconet Slot Monitor say about the speed step mode?

(You don't happen to have a DCC protocol analyzer to verify what's actually happening on the tracks, do you?)

I believe what you see is intentional for Digitrax command stations in 28 speed step mode. For Uhlenbrock Intellibox it shouldn't be. And I have no idea about the DR-5000.

You could try switching the command station configuration to one of the Intelliboxes and see if that helps. Or your python code could use the 's' command to set the speed step mode to 128:

The reason we do this: The Loconet protocol always uses speed settings 0-126. But for 28 (and 14) speed step mode, the translation from loconet speed to track speed is... weird. Apparently (I never verified), a loconet speed of 0-15 will cause a Digitrax command station to send 0 to the track, and 16 will cause a Digitrax command station to send speed 1 to the track (in 28 speed step mode).

So to have a reasonably linear translation from WiThrottle speed (or JMRI throttle speed) to track speed, we distort the loconet speed. For Digitrax command stations in 14- and 28 speed step mode.

Hope this helps,
Heiko

On 10/24/24 17:06, George Hofmann via groups.io wrote:
JMRI v5.6
ED v2.37.187
CS DR5000
Linux Mint 21
Some time ago I wrote a Python program that acted as a throttle, communicating with JMRI. It worked fine but recently I noticed an anomaly when commanding very low speed steps. Then I verified that the same behavior is observed when using Engine Driver. So I'm thinking that the issue is on the server side.
The problem is that when incrementing speed steps by 1 (out of 128) the actual speed step sent to the command station jumps from zero to 16 as soon as the request changes from 0 to 1. It remains at 16 until speed step 6 is requested at which point it changes to 17. Subsequent steps upward result in expected behavior, i.e. monotonically increasing by one although off by 11 with respect to what is requested. In the reverse direction the commanded value sticks at 16 as I step down from 6 to 5, changing to zero only when zero is requested. If I were in 28 step mode then the first step would be 16. So it looks like the system acts like it's in 28 step mode for the first step and then 128 thereafter.
The behavior can be observed by monitoring Loconet as shown below. The request was being changed by one each time in this example.
The requests for values 2 through 5 don't even show up.
07:29:40.806: [A0 02 10 4D] ?Set speed of loco in slot 2 to 16. /Request SS 1 of 128 (from 0)/
07:29:46.336: [A0 02 11 4C] ?Set speed of loco in slot 2 to 17. /Request SS 6/
07:29:47.343: [A0 02 12 4F] ?Set speed of loco in slot 2 to 18./Request SS 7, etc./
07:29:48.370: [A0 02 13 4E] ?Set speed of loco in slot 2 to 19.
07:29:49.212: [A0 02 14 49] ?Set speed of loco in slot 2 to 20.
07:29:51.265: [A0 02 15 48] ?Set speed of loco in slot 2 to 21.
07:29:53.471: [A0 02 14 49] ?Set speed of loco in slot 2 to 20.
07:29:54.959: [A0 02 13 4E] ?Set speed of loco in slot 2 to 19.
07:29:55.970: [A0 02 12 4F] ?Set speed of loco in slot 2 to 18.
07:29:56.954: [A0 02 11 4C] ?Set speed of loco in slot 2 to 17. /Request SS 6/
07:29:57.827: [A0 02 10 4D] ?Set speed of loco in slot 2 to 16. /Request SS 5 (lower values ignored until 0)/
07:30:02.515: [A0 02 00 5D] ?Set speed of loco in slot 2 to 0. /Request SS 0/
A JMRI throttle in 128 step mode works properly. Of course in that throttle I can specify 128 ss mode directly and the Loconet log verifies that state. When using ED I don't appear to have the option of specifying 128 ss mode. I guess the server has to infer it. The log shows 28 ss mode, even though ED is sending 128 steps and the server seems to figure it out when I get to step 6. But still the log doesn't show 128 ss mode at that point.
Clues would be appreciated.
Thanks
George
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Locked Difference between Transit and Route?

 

I am new to JMRI and while reading the manual, I came across the concepts of Route and Transits.?
I am a bit confused about why we need these two different concepts.?
Doesn't defining a transit also sets the states of turnouts and sensors? ?What exactly is a Route needed?
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Do the route and transit have to match each other?
Thanks for clarifying.
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Locked WiThrottle protocol issue at low speed steps #withrottleserver #enginedriver

 

JMRI v5.6
ED v2.37.187
CS DR5000
Linux Mint 21
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Some time ago I wrote a Python program that acted as a throttle, communicating with JMRI. It worked fine but recently I noticed an anomaly when commanding very low speed steps. Then I verified that the same behavior is observed when using Engine Driver. So I'm thinking that the issue is on the server side.
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The problem is that when incrementing speed steps by 1 (out of 128) the actual speed step sent to the command station jumps from zero to 16 as soon as the request changes from 0 to 1. It remains at 16 until speed step 6 is requested at which point it changes to 17. Subsequent steps upward result in expected behavior, i.e. monotonically increasing by one although off by 11 with respect to what is requested. In the reverse direction the commanded value sticks at 16 as I step down from 6 to 5, changing to zero only when zero is requested. If I were in 28 step mode then the first step would be 16. So it looks like the system acts like it's in 28 step mode for the first step and then 128 thereafter.
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The behavior can be observed by monitoring Loconet as shown below. The request was being changed by one each time in this example.
The requests for values 2 through 5 don't even show up.
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07:29:40.806: [A0 02 10 4D] ?Set speed of loco in slot 2 to 16. Request SS 1 of 128 (from 0)
07:29:46.336: [A0 02 11 4C] ?Set speed of loco in slot 2 to 17. Request SS 6
07:29:47.343: [A0 02 12 4F] ?Set speed of loco in slot 2 to 18. Request SS 7, etc.
07:29:48.370: [A0 02 13 4E] ?Set speed of loco in slot 2 to 19.
07:29:49.212: [A0 02 14 49] ?Set speed of loco in slot 2 to 20.
07:29:51.265: [A0 02 15 48] ?Set speed of loco in slot 2 to 21.
07:29:53.471: [A0 02 14 49] ?Set speed of loco in slot 2 to 20.
07:29:54.959: [A0 02 13 4E] ?Set speed of loco in slot 2 to 19.
07:29:55.970: [A0 02 12 4F] ?Set speed of loco in slot 2 to 18.
07:29:56.954: [A0 02 11 4C] ?Set speed of loco in slot 2 to 17. Request SS 6
07:29:57.827: [A0 02 10 4D] ?Set speed of loco in slot 2 to 16. Request SS 5 (lower values ignored until 0)
07:30:02.515: [A0 02 00 5D] ?Set speed of loco in slot 2 to 0.?? Request SS 0
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A JMRI throttle in 128 step mode works properly. Of course in that throttle I can specify 128 ss mode directly and the Loconet log verifies that state. When using ED I don't appear to have the option of specifying 128 ss mode. I guess the server has to infer it. The log shows 28 ss mode, even though ED is sending 128 steps and the server seems to figure it out when I get to step 6. But still the log doesn't show 128 ss mode at that point.
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Clues would be appreciated.
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Thanks
George
Locked Re: #scripting #scripting

 

Dave,
Yes this is the idea
Regards Doron
Locked Re: Number of cars on layout #operationspro

 

I'm still trying to figure this one out.
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I'm woefully short of cars so far, but I'm finding I need many more than I thought I did. For example, I have a refinery with loading rack spots for 16 cars, I have about 10 other spots scattered around the layout, with ten or twelve more to come (not counting staging).
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I currently have 31 tank cars on the layout.?
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I had six empties in the yard for OperationsPro to move to the loading racks at the last session. I'm going to need a LOT more tank cars! When I start using custom loads (kerosene, gasoline, light machine oils, asphalt, heavy residuals, etc.) I suspect that will balloon even more.
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I'll know I have enough when the refinery begins receiving and shipping capacity cuts of cars (14-16 per session). I'm betting that will be pushing a total of 100 cars.
Locked Re: Importing an AnyRail layout #anyrail

 

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Thank you all.? I'll get started on the Anyarail files.


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Locked Re: path speeds between signal masts

 

Not yet! should I see loco speed commands on these?
Locked Re: Atlas Decoder

 

I'm using my house computer and jmri with a pr3


On Wed, Oct 23, 2024, 7:16 AM Ross Kudlick via <Ross_Kudlick=[email protected]> wrote:
Louis,
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What command station/programming hardware are you using??
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Atlas decoders were manufactured by Lenz.? ?Lenz decoders need extra resistance across the rails to create the? 'ACK' with some service mode programmers.? A 1K ohm resistor across the rails often 'did the trick.'? Note this is 1K, not 1,000K; and it is between the rails, not in series with the programmer connections.
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Digitrax describes this in relation to the original Zephyr here:
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Also, if this an Atlas 'dual mode' decoder is the jumper in the DCC position?
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HTH,
Ross
Locked Re: path speeds between signal masts

 

Andy,

Have you looked at the JMRI system console? ?Have you tried looking at the NCE Command Monitor?


Dave Sand


----- Original message -----
From: Andy Keane <andy.keane@...>
Subject: Re: [jmriusers] path speeds between signal masts
Date: Wednesday, October 23, 2024 1:54 PM

Dave (and others)
Thanks for all the input, I think I have what I now need by adding some hand coded logic to set the distant signal to what I want.
I have however hit a very odd issue. On one particular block when the signal is against the train the dispatcher sets the speed to zero but this instruction fails to make it to the loco - its only on one particular block though and seems repeatable. Is there any way that you can think off that dispatcher would set zero speed, the auto control window shows zero speed but the message not get sent?
thanks
Andy
Locked Re: Still questions about dispatcher #dispatcher

 

#5 - Last transit step (variation of #2 no more allocated sections)
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Locked Re: Importing an AnyRail layout #anyrail

Tim Kelley
 

Here's a youtube video someone put together.
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Good luck!
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Tim
Locked Re: Struggles with warrants - cont'd #warrants

 

Keith,

In "Preferences -> Warrants" there is "Trace warrant activity on console" option. ?If you enable the option, you will get useful information on the system console.

Here is the result from a test configuration.

15:51:16,702 jmri.jmrit.logix.Warrant????????????? INFO? - Train "1243" on warrant "Left to Right" launched. runState= Running [AWT-EventQueue-0]
15:51:16,706 jmri.jmrit.logix.Warrant????????????? INFO? - Train "1243" sets Signal "Alpha-Left-A" for block "OB::Alpha-Left". [AWT-EventQueue-0]
15:51:44,727 jmri.jmrit.logix.Warrant????????????? INFO? - Train "1243" entering block "OB::Alpha-Left". [AWT-EventQueue-0]
15:51:44,728 jmri.jmrit.logix.Warrant????????????? INFO? - Train "1243" sets Signal "Alpha-Right-B" for block "OB::Alpha-Right". [AWT-EventQueue-0]
15:51:55,506 jmri.jmrit.logix.Warrant????????????? INFO? - Train "1243" entering block "OB::Alpha-Main". [AWT-EventQueue-0]
15:51:55,511 jmri.jmrit.logix.Warrant????????????? INFO? - Train "1243" decrease speed to "Medium" in 1,692ms due to Signal at block "OB::Alpha-Main". [AWT-EventQueue-0]
15:51:57,257 jmri.jmrit.logix.Engineer???????????? INFO? - Train "1243" begins ramp to speed "Medium" in block "OB::Alpha-Main". [CommandDelay(1243-Medium)]
15:52:00,277 jmri.jmrit.logix.Engineer???????????? INFO? - Train "1243" ends ramp to speed "Medium" at block "OB::Alpha-Main". [Ramp(1243)]
15:52:07,772 jmri.jmrit.logix.Warrant????????????? INFO? - Train "1243" entering block "OB::Alpha-Right". [AWT-EventQueue-0]
15:52:07,774 jmri.jmrit.logix.Warrant????????????? INFO? - Train "1243" sets Signal "Beta-Left-A" for block "OB::Beta-Left". [AWT-EventQueue-0]
15:52:13,662 jmri.jmrit.logix.Warrant????????????? INFO? - Train "1243" entering block "OB::Middle". [AWT-EventQueue-0]
15:52:13,664 jmri.jmrit.logix.Warrant????????????? INFO? - Train "1243" decrease speed to "Stop" in 2,048ms due to Signal at block "OB::Middle". [AWT-EventQueue-0]
15:52:15,760 jmri.jmrit.logix.Engineer???????????? INFO? - Train "1243" begins ramp to speed "Stop" in block "OB::Middle". [CommandDelay(1243-Stop)]
15:52:22,554 jmri.jmrit.logix.Engineer???????????? INFO? - Train "1243" ends ramp to speed "Stop" at block "OB::Middle". [Ramp(1243)]
15:52:37,513 jmri.jmrit.logix.Warrant????????????? INFO? - Train "1243" can proceed. Signal "Beta-Left-A" sets aspect "Normal". [AWT-EventQueue-0]
15:52:39,564 jmri.jmrit.logix.Engineer???????????? INFO? - Train "1243" begins ramp to speed "Normal" in block "OB::Middle". [AWT-EventQueue-0]
15:52:49,374 jmri.jmrit.logix.Engineer???????????? INFO? - Train "1243" ends ramp to speed "Normal" at block "OB::Middle". [Ramp(1243)]
15:52:55,410 jmri.jmrit.logix.Warrant????????????? INFO? - Train "1243" entering block "OB::Beta-Left". [AWT-EventQueue-0]
15:52:55,412 jmri.jmrit.logix.Warrant????????????? INFO? - Train "1243" sets Signal "Beta-Right-B" for block "OB::Beta-Right". [AWT-EventQueue-0]
15:52:55,412 jmri.jmrit.logix.Warrant????????????? INFO? - Train "1243" decrease speed to "Medium" in 54ms due to Signal at block "OB::Beta-Main". [AWT-EventQueue-0]
15:52:55,517 jmri.jmrit.logix.Engineer???????????? INFO? - Train "1243" begins ramp to speed "Medium" in block "OB::Beta-Left". [CommandDelay(1243-Medium)]
15:53:00,799 jmri.jmrit.logix.Engineer???????????? INFO? - Train "1243" ends ramp to speed "Medium" at block "OB::Beta-Left". [Ramp(1243)]
15:53:04,957 jmri.jmrit.logix.Warrant????????????? INFO? - Train "1243" entering block "OB::Beta-Main". [AWT-EventQueue-0]
15:53:09,403 jmri.jmrit.logix.Warrant????????????? INFO? - Train "1243" entering block "OB::Beta-Right". [AWT-EventQueue-0]
15:53:15,165 jmri.jmrit.logix.Warrant????????????? INFO? - Train "1243" entering block "OB::Right-Approach". [AWT-EventQueue-0]
15:53:32,222 jmri.jmrit.logix.Warrant????????????? INFO? - Train "1243" ends warrant "Left to Right". Now occupying block "OB::Right-Approach". [Engineer(1243)]

The "sets Signal" lines indicate that the signal mast will be the controlling signal mast. ?It is not changing the aspect.

The "decrease speed" lines indicate the speed will need to be decreased, but the ramp down will be delayed by some time value. ?In theory, the delay and ramp down should result in a stop near the end of the block. ?NOTE: ?There is a bug that causes the message to always display "1ms". ?I have submitted a fix to display the correct value. ?That will be available in the 5.9.6 test release. ?

When testing with your layout, the ramp down delays tend to be in 20 to 60 second range.

Dave Sand



----- Original message -----
From: Keith Williams <directorsixfive@...>
Subject: Re: [jmriusers] Struggles with warrants - cont'd #warrants
Date: Wednesday, October 23, 2024 1:01 PM

Dave,
Very interesting.? To answer your questions:
1.? I tried both - created with an N-X and also with the learning?route.? The learning?route is the current one.? In learning?mode (auto run) the train runs at full "normal" speed, causing the late arrival messages to the next block when it is run at the real?"normal" speed for that block..
2.? Yes the loco roster has speed profiles for most of the loco's.? I was using 8235 (part of a consist w/8241) for my tests.

Comments about your results:
1.? I was not aware you could (should) revise the elapsed time, as the instructions say that if changes in the block require changes in the individual timing of a line, the overall timing of the block should?stay the same.
2.? Your?third point is where I am having difficulty.? The down ramp time may in fact be correct, but it starts at the wrong time
3.? Regarding Block 3 testing: when you say "When the time expired, I would get a delayed arrival for SM55.? If I did nothing, eventually it would ramp down and stop for the signal."? Where exactly did it ramp down for the red?? Normally (without messing with?the elapsed time values) it would enter the block, ramp up to the "normal speed, then realize that this was a siding block between divirging?points, and ramp back down to the required speed, normally "medium", then stop, usually only 15% or 20% into the block.? This would imply that the timing is fixed, based on the warrant "teach" speed, rather than?dynamic, based on the current speed.? This leads to your comment about changing the timing of the sidings.? I?will work on that.....!
4.? 60 Seconds is about 3 times the normal timing.? My "normal" speed is 50 sMPH, and "medium" is 25 sMPH
5.? This problem also occurs when running lap 1 or lap 2, which does not traverse any of the passing sidings. For example, if in MB1, traveling?toward MB2, and SM45 is thrown, giving a red signal, the train will stop about 20% into MB1, (Varies from 20% to 60%, but always very short of the signal) and send a message that it is waiting for the signal to clear before?it can proceed.

I will continue to test, to see if I can improve it.? Thank you?very?much for your efforts!? I do appreciate this!

On Tue, Oct 22, 2024 at 1:35?AM Dave Sand via <ds=[email protected]> wrote:

Keith,

I did a simulated test of Cleaner 3rd Lap.? Was this created using learning mode or as a NX warrant?? Does the loco roster entry have a speed profile?

I used Side Block 3 as the test case where the train has to stop for a Stop signal indication.

The general behavior is that when a train enters a block it ramps up to the block speed if necessary.? If a reduced speed is required at the end of the block, the down ramp time is calculated based on the current speed and the target speed.? The ramp values are in Preferences -> Warrants. ?

The elapsed time for Side Block 3 in the Warrant was about 22 seconds.? When the time expired, I would get a delayed arrival for SM55.? If I did nothing, eventually it would ramp down and stop for the signal.? Based on that clue, I tried several elapsed times. ?60 seconds worked.? The train ran at normal speed for 45 seconds and then spent 11 seconds ramping down to stop.

These are preliminary results and are not consistent from run to run.

Dave Sand



----- Original message -----
From: Keith Williams <directorsixfive@...>
Subject: Re: [jmriusers] Struggles with warrants - cont'd #warrants
Date: Sunday, October 13, 2024 1:38 PM

Dave, I just uploaded? it.? See if you can see anything im doing?wrong or not doing right, lol!

On Sat, Oct 12, 2024 at 2:54?PM Dave Sand via <ds=[email protected]> wrote:

Keith,

If you upload your current xml file to the group's ProblemsBeingWorkedOn file folder and indicated which warrant is not behaving as expect, we might be able to figure out what is happening.

Dave Sand


----- Original message -----
From: Keith Williams <directorsixfive@...>
Subject: Re: [jmriusers] Struggles with warrants - cont'd #warrants
Date: Saturday, October 12, 2024 8:18 AM

Nags,
this statement "The default is to incrementally slow the train before reaching the end of the approach block." is what I want to happen!? It does not.

On Fri, Oct 11, 2024 at 7:32?PM Nags via <snowy999=[email protected]> wrote:
Maybe this?
The checkbox Don't Ramp Speed changes Sets an option on how to change the speed when a signal or rogue occupation is detected ahead. The default is to incrementally slow the train before reaching the end of the approach block. Selecting the option will make an immediate speed change upon entering the approach block.
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Locked Re: Inconsistent state of turnouts #turnouts

 

Jean-Louis,
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To capture a log file with additional detail of commands sent/received, you may want to enable DEBUG in the default.lcf.xml file in the
C:\USERS\username\JMRI directory
.. if the file does not already exist, copy the one from C:\Program Files (x86)\JMRI?
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Once JMRI is started and you see the inconsistent status, upload the
C:\USERS\username\JMRI\log\session.log file to problems being worked on
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Note that the messages.log file can grow very large if this DEBUG is left enabled.
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Regards,
Ash__
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Locked Re: Cannot read decoder type #digitrax

 

SUCCESS!? the clue was in Steve observing that JMRI was not hearing back from the PR4.? I think that has to do with the very poor job I have done in connecting to my programming track.? I did a somewhat better job and now I am getting the various decoder possibilities. Mark Granville's observations are completely on point:? but I am now more confident in using the PR4 for programming CV's and thank all of you for your time and thoughts.
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Locked Re: Parse Error: Reporter (Which I don't need) #reporters

 

Thanks.? I'll workon that the next time I get on that computer, probably later today.
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