Thanks, Ken! Sorry, I should have mentioned that the computer and cable
worked at a friend's house a week or so ago. I usually do plug into the
same jack, but if I don't JMRI has, in the past, found the port I used. Now
JMRI finds the port and appears to connect but eventually fails.

I have a 20-foot or so USB extension cable attached to the adapter, but I
did plug the computer directly into the adapter and got the same result.

Are there serial-USB adapters that are problematic? This one doesn't have
any markings so I'm not sure of the brand, but I think it's an Insignia.

-- Jeff

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I’ll watch for that. ?The only places where I could anticipate this would be in staging where some turnouts were oriented other than normal. ?But in NCE the system relies more on what I tell it is happening instead of looking at, “Is this a Left or Right turnout?”

Jeff M,

My suspects are either how the serial-USB physically connects with the front
of the command station, the USB drivers, and if you are plugging into the
same jack on the computer or not. Some USB will cause a change of port name
if they move around. Some have hardware that doesn't let them plug all the
way into the connector (9 pin) properly for good contact. The driver/USB,
well that depends on which brand and when/where you got it.

Your log shows that we are not getting any answer from the command station.
At startup, the status is presuming the connection worked and it sends the
'AA' command to see the version and that the link is working. It allows 10
seconds for the reply to time out. When that happens, it turns the status to
red. That is what is happening according to the log.

-Ken Cameron, Member JMRI Dev Team
www.jmri.org
www.fingerlakeslivesteamers.org
www.cnymod.org
www.syracusemodelrr.org

Thank you. Frank in Houston.?

Hello Everyone,

I have an NCE PowerPro connected to a Dell laptop (Win10)?using a serial-USB adapter cable.? Command station version is 19:08 Mar 1, 2007C.? I have had intermittent luck connecting to DecoderPro/PanelPro; to try and fix it I just upgraded to JMRI version 4.16 and still have the problem.

When I start PanelPro, if the system finds the COM port (which is about half the time, but I think that's another issue), I get the green "connected" message at the bottom of the DecoderPro/Roster screen.? However, after about 30 seconds it drops the connection and I get the red "not connected" message.? I've checked baud rate (9600 in both the command station and JMRI) and?NCE's AIU Broadcast (off).? JMRI is set to NCE command station version 2006 or later.? I read the recent NCE USB thread but that seemed to apply to the USB-PowerCab system.

Please help!? Here is the system log from my last attempt:

2019-09-18 15:23:03,219 util.Log4JUtil??????????????????????? INFO? - * JMRI log ** [main]
2019-09-18 15:23:03,235 util.Log4JUtil??????????????????????? INFO? - This log is appended to file: C:\Users\Jeffrey Mutter\JMRI\log\messages.log [main]
2019-09-18 15:23:03,235 util.Log4JUtil??????????????????????? INFO? - This log is stored in file: C:\Users\Jeffrey Mutter\JMRI\log\session.log [main]
2019-09-18 15:23:03,250 apps.Apps???????????????????????????? INFO? - PanelPro version 4.16+R6f9aced starts under Java 1.8.0_201 on Windows 10 x86 v10.0 at Wed Sep 18 15:23:03 EDT 2019 [main]
2019-09-18 15:23:06,105 apps.Apps???????????????????????????? INFO? - Starting with profile My_JMRI_Railroad.3ee7110a [main]
2019-09-18 15:23:06,401 node.NodeIdentity???????????????????? INFO? - Using 08fea99e-6b01-44fe-8e8b-1bbc47625414 as the JMRI storage identity for profile id 3ee7110a [AWT-EventQueue-0]
2019-09-18 15:23:06,522 xml.AbstractSerialConnectionConfigXml INFO? - Starting to connect for "NCE" [main]
2019-09-18 15:23:07,309 serialdriver.SerialDriverAdapter????? INFO? - NCE COM3 port opened at 9600 baud [main]
2019-09-18 15:23:07,695 util.FileUtilSupport????????????????? INFO? - File path program: is C:\Program Files (x86)\JMRI\ [main]
2019-09-18 15:23:07,695 util.FileUtilSupport????????????????? INFO? - File path preference: is C:\Users\Jeffrey Mutter\JMRI\My_JMRI_Railroad\ [main]
2019-09-18 15:23:07,695 util.FileUtilSupport????????????????? INFO? - File path profile: is C:\Users\Jeffrey Mutter\JMRI\My_JMRI_Railroad\ [main]
2019-09-18 15:23:07,710 util.FileUtilSupport????????????????? INFO? - File path settings: is C:\Users\Jeffrey Mutter\JMRI\ [main]
2019-09-18 15:23:07,710 util.FileUtilSupport????????????????? INFO? - File path home: is C:\Users\Jeffrey Mutter\ [main]
2019-09-18 15:23:07,710 util.FileUtilSupport????????????????? INFO? - File path scripts: is C:\Users\Jeffrey Mutter\JMRI\My_JMRI_Railroad\ [main]
2019-09-18 15:23:08,080 PanelPro.PanelPro???????????????????? INFO? - Main initialization done [main]
2019-09-18 15:23:17,450 jmrix.AbstractMRTrafficController???? WARN? - Timeout on reply to message: AA consecutive timeouts = 0 in nce.NceTrafficController [nce.NceTrafficController Transmit thread]
2019-09-18 15:23:17,550 nce.NceConnectionStatus?????????????? WARN? - Incorrect or no response from NCE command station [nce.NceTrafficController Transmit thread]
2019-09-18 15:23:17,550 jmrix.AbstractMRTrafficController???? WARN? - sendMessage: Exception: In jmri.jmrix.nce.NceTrafficController port warn:? [nce.NceTrafficController Transmit thread]
java.io.IOException
?at purejavacomm.PureJavaSerialPort$1.write(PureJavaSerialPort.java:642)
?at java.io.DataOutputStream.write(Unknown Source)
?at java.io.FilterOutputStream.write(Unknown Source)
?at jmri.jmrix.AbstractMRTrafficController.forwardToPort(AbstractMRTrafficController.java:690)
?at jmri.jmrix.nce.NceTrafficController.forwardToPort(NceTrafficController.java:494)
?at jmri.jmrix.AbstractMRTrafficController.transmitLoop(AbstractMRTrafficController.java:475)
?at jmri.jmrix.AbstractMRTrafficController$1.run(AbstractMRTrafficController.java:771)
?at java.lang.Thread.run(Unknown Source)
2019-09-18 15:23:17,550 jmrix.AbstractMRTrafficController???? ERROR - run: Exception: java.io.IOException in class jmri.jmrix.nce.NceTrafficController [nce.NceTrafficController Receive thread]
java.io.IOException
?at purejavacomm.PureJavaSerialPort$2.read(PureJavaSerialPort.java:887)
?at java.io.DataInputStream.read(Unknown Source)
?at jmri.jmrix.AbstractMRTrafficController.readByteProtected(AbstractMRTrafficController.java:947)
?at jmri.jmrix.AbstractMRTrafficController.loadChars(AbstractMRTrafficController.java:978)
?at jmri.jmrix.AbstractMRTrafficController.handleOneIncomingReply(AbstractMRTrafficController.java:1050)
?at jmri.jmrix.AbstractMRTrafficController.receiveLoop(AbstractMRTrafficController.java:871)
?at jmri.jmrix.AbstractMRTrafficController$2.run(AbstractMRTrafficController.java:795)
?at java.lang.Thread.run(Unknown Source)
2019-09-18 15:23:17,550 jmrix.AbstractMRTrafficController???? ERROR - Exit from rcv loop in class jmri.jmrix.nce.NceTrafficController [nce.NceTrafficController Receive thread]
2019-09-18 15:23:27,552 jmrix.AbstractMRTrafficController???? WARN? - Timeout on reply to message: AA consecutive timeouts = 1 in nce.NceTrafficController [nce.NceTrafficController Transmit thread]
2019-09-18 15:23:27,652 jmrix.AbstractMRTrafficController???? ERROR - Transmit thread terminated prematurely by: java.lang.NullPointerException [nce.NceTrafficController Transmit thread]
java.lang.NullPointerException
?at jmri.jmrix.AbstractMRTrafficController.getPortName(AbstractMRTrafficController.java:819)
?at jmri.jmrix.nce.NceConnectionStatus.nceEpromPoll(NceConnectionStatus.java:132)
?at jmri.jmrix.nce.NceTrafficController.pollMessage(NceTrafficController.java:430)
?at jmri.jmrix.AbstractMRTrafficController.transmitLoop(AbstractMRTrafficController.java:470)
?at jmri.jmrix.AbstractMRTrafficController$1.run(AbstractMRTrafficController.java:771)
?at java.lang.Thread.run(Unknown Source)

Any help is appreciated!
Jeff Mutter

Klaus,

Thanks.? ? just cleaning, consolidating, sorting and send all VSD to DropBox backup.? 1,800 files!? ?geeez.? Need a course in data management.

Conrad

Am 18.09.2019 um 20:55 schrieb conrad:

I just checked the untouched github file Class64.vsd and the config file does not have <engine-gain>0.8</engine-gain>.? ?hmmm.

Right. Class64.vsd is older than the introduction of "engine-gain". But it's fine. The value is optional.


Klaus

Am 18.09.2019 um 15:55 schrieb conrad:

Yes, I did check that F8 was correct.? Program manager shows it and, more importantly, the loco slows when F8 is activated.? I'll switch all to F3 as a test though.

I'll check it out.

BTY HOW DOES ONE GET THE NICE VERTICAL BAR ON CUT/PASTE QUOTES? I DID THIS BY AN UNKNOWN ACCIDENT

Mark the text you want to quote before you click on "Reply".

"(BTW, in one of my last post, I gave you a false recommendation for engine gain. It's not <gain> but <engine-gain>."
Interesting, for as far as I can tell I have not had?<engine-gain>0.8</engine-gain> in the config file.? I have now put it in and I think it has made throttle "sliding" harder.
What does it do?

OK, I found it. In message /g/jmriusers/message/163562 I recommended to use <gain>, but it should mean <engine-gain>. Please check your config.xml of your NW2 VSD file. The engine sound is a special sound and I have "engine-gain" intended for it.


Klaus

Klaus,

In my previous msg I said:

"Interesting, for as far as I can tell I have not had?<engine-gain>0.8</engine-gain> in the config file.? I have now put it in and I think it has made throttle "sliding" harder.
What does it do?"

I just checked the untouched github file Class64.vsd and the config file does not have <engine-gain>0.8</engine-gain>.? ?hmmm.

Conrad

I'm unsure of what "new" clock functionality you are referring to.

Clocks have been in JMRI for years.

Click on tools followed by Clocks and then Setup Fast Clock.
from that screen you can get online help by click on help followed by window help to get assistance on using the fast clocks screen.

--
Peter Ulvestad

JMRI Users Group Moderator - ( )
Tam Valley Group Moderator - ( )
Sprog-DCC Group Moderator - ( )
Edmonton Model Railroad Association -

To Clock people,

I have tried to keep up with the clocks development but I got lost somewhere -

1. Is the new Clocks functionality in the current test release? If so, can I access the computer clock? Could it be in a REALTIME memory variable? I have need to put real time and fast time on the panel display.

2. Can I start a fast time clock based on the computer clock?

3. Is there a location which has instructions about How To on the above?

Thanks, Tim A

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Hi Steve,

?????? I have uploaded the full file. I do not know about CAN simulation as I have not been involved with that.

?????? I have been adding lights that are used on the club's layout.

?????? Concerning the "Lights Start Operation" starting. I am currently that I am the only one doing the extensive testing of the Lights. I would ask that you go ahead and move this operation for the next test release.?? I can do one more test before we "freeze" things before our show.

Tim A.

Bill,

Are you doing your testing using CAN Simulation?

I was able to re-create the problem using CAN simulation. When I activate a route, JMRI hangs waiting for a response from a CAN command.

If I move T1 and T2 to internal turnouts, the NX routing works as expected.

Sorry, but CAN issues are outside of my knowledge set. If someone does work on this, I can provide a stack trace.


Dave Sand

Bill,

I will review your proposed changes. Those look like very good additions.

Dave Sand

Frank: It's in the Google Playstore where it's fully described.?

Jan

Klaus,

"You can save your throttle layout, see the File menu."

I did save the throttle and that solved the "track slider in real time" problem.? Thanks

I have tried to set up some NX routing, but have found that JMRI crashes after I click the first NX sensor. I know NX routing works because I saw it demonstrated successfully at a cource run by Pete Brownlow a few months ago, I have put a simple example which should demonstrate reasonably succinctly what I am doing wrong in the files area under "NX Routing".

Any help would be appreciated

Bill Fitch

I have found YATT very useful, and have used it in my club to move a train around a timesaver puzzle. Thanks Dave Sands very much.
I found that I needed two enhancements in order to reduce the size of the text file:

• nested if statements
• subroutines

I have written a YATT jython file with these enhancements and would like to submit the file for inclusion in JMRI, but I do not know the procedure, so I have put a working routine in the files section in the folder 'YATT with subroutines' for consideration. If the contribution is acceptable it would need some work to bring it up to standard for inclusion. I would need to

• restore the original example provided by Dave Sands
• remove a lot of print statements which I added while debugging using a self.print5() routine
• maybe include an example of nested ifs and gosubs.

In the YATT with subroutines' folder I have placed

• my version of YATT
• The text file I used to move a train around the layout

I would appreciate it if I could be told what the next step, if any, should be

Bill Fitch

This update worked, it read the decoder, i saw the engine lights flash and the link light on the MRC system flashing too. I also saw the traffic in the MRC monitor.
It did not progress to the "next screen" due to finding MFG 11, NCE decoder but no such decoder defined.

Here is the current log file:
2019-09-18 07:03:53,301 util.Log4JUtil??????????????????????? INFO? - * JMRI log ** [main]
2019-09-18 07:03:53,379 util.Log4JUtil??????????????????????? INFO? - This log is appended to file: C:\Users\ksmerka\JMRI\log\messages.log [main]
2019-09-18 07:03:53,379 util.Log4JUtil??????????????????????? INFO? - This log is stored in file: C:\Users\ksmerka\JMRI\log\session.log [main]
2019-09-18 07:03:53,410 apps.AppsBase???????????????????????? INFO? - DecoderPro version 4.17.5ish+jenkins+20190917T0620Z+R5d9b7ea starts under Java 1.8.0_221 on Windows 7 x86 v6.1 at Wed Sep 18 07:03:53 EDT 2019 [main]
2019-09-18 07:03:57,575 gui3.Apps3??????????????????????????? INFO? - Starting with profile Ken_MRC.3f17a05a [main]
2019-09-18 07:03:58,870 node.NodeIdentity???????????????????? INFO? - Using 315c7515-b5fd-4d2b-ba8b-6f14b357b7e6 as the JMRI storage identity for profile id 3f17a05a [AWT-EventQueue-0]
2019-09-18 07:03:59,728 xml.AbstractSerialConnectionConfigXml INFO? - Starting to connect for "MRC" [main]
2019-09-18 07:04:01,615 serialdriver.SerialDriverAdapter????? INFO? - Serial timeout was observed as: 0 false [main]
2019-09-18 07:04:01,615 serialdriver.SerialDriverAdapter????? INFO? - input buffer 0 [main]
2019-09-18 07:04:01,662 serialdriver.SerialDriverAdapter????? INFO? - COM14 port opened at 38400 baud, sees? DTR: true RTS: true DSR: false CTS: false? CD: false [main]
2019-09-18 07:04:04,392 util.FileUtilSupport????????????????? INFO? - File path program: is C:\Program Files (x86)\JMRI\ [main]
2019-09-18 07:04:04,392 util.FileUtilSupport????????????????? INFO? - File path preference: is C:\Users\ksmerka\JMRI\Ken_MRC.jmri\ [main]
2019-09-18 07:04:04,392 util.FileUtilSupport????????????????? INFO? - File path profile: is C:\Users\ksmerka\JMRI\Ken_MRC.jmri\ [main]
2019-09-18 07:04:04,392 util.FileUtilSupport????????????????? INFO? - File path settings: is C:\Users\ksmerka\JMRI\ [main]
2019-09-18 07:04:04,408 util.FileUtilSupport????????????????? INFO? - File path home: is C:\Users\ksmerka\ [main]
2019-09-18 07:04:04,408 util.FileUtilSupport????????????????? INFO? - File path scripts: is C:\Program Files (x86)\JMRI\jython\ [main]
2019-09-18 07:04:49,991 symbolicprog.CombinedLocoSelTreePane? WARN? - Found mfg 11 (North Coast Engineering) version 11; no such decoder defined [AWT-EventQueue-0]
2019-09-18 07:04:50,132 decoderdefn.IdentifyDecoder?????????? INFO? - Decoder returns mfgID:11;modelID:11;productID:-1 [AWT-EventQueue-0]
2019-09-18 07:04:53,548 mrc.MrcPacketizer???????????????????? WARN? - Message missed 5 polls for message Read CV8 [Mrc transmit handler]
2019-09-18 07:05:05,428 mrc.MrcPacketizer???????????????????? WARN? - Message missed 5 polls for message Read CV7 [Mrc transmit handler]
2019-09-18 07:05:14,555 mrc.MrcPacketizer???????????????????? WARN? - Message missed 5 polls for message Read CV29 [Mrc transmit handler]
2019-09-18 07:05:24,351 mrc.MrcPacketizer???????????????????? WARN? - Message missed 5 polls for message Read CV1 [Mrc transmit handler]
2019-09-18 07:05:32,963 mrc.MrcPacketizer???????????????????? WARN? - Message missed 5 polls for message Read CV17 [Mrc transmit handler]
2019-09-18 07:05:39,780 mrc.MrcPacketizer???????????????????? WARN? - Message missed 5 polls for message Read CV18 [Mrc transmit handler]
2019-09-18 07:05:52,275 mrc.MrcPacketizer???????????????????? WARN? - Message missed 5 polls for message Read CV19 [Mrc transmit handler]


Thanks again, I have other locos to try, I will keep you updated.

Ken