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Re: Multiple turnouts on one address using functions?
Dave,
Please do the upload. It will save me alot of time as a start point. I've only got 15 points to change on this small layout. I count crossovers as one point, even though they throw two turnouts.
Thanks for taking an interest.
Don
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Re: Multiple turnouts on one address using functions?
Dave,
I appreciate the follow up. I started out to do this with Geoff Bunza's 17 function decoder, but had the TF-4's sitting around. If I'm going to script it, I may just see if I can write a routine to assign a different address to each function on that.
Might be fun, but will probably take me a while.
More when I make some progress. If it works, I'm happy to share.
Don
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Re: Multiple turnouts on one address using functions?
Don,
Based on my understanding of your setup, for the fun of it I have created a script that will send function key commands based on internal turnout changes.
If you would like it, I can upload it to the group¡¯s file area.
Dave Sand
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On Aug 11, 2018, at 10:43 AM, Don Babcock via Groups.Io <donbab48@...> wrote:
Bob,
I can't tell you how to do it from a Digitrax throttle. I'm not a Digitrax guy and don't wnat to start a war by explaining why.
From any other system, I set the address for the decoder and press the function key that controls that turnout. Both NCE and Engine Driver ( the two systems I use at home) give me an indication of the state of the turnout.
What I want to do is set up a graphic indication under panel pro. I blindly assumed that a decoder for multiple turnouts used functions when I was building. It's my fault that I didn't check earlier that they used separate addresses for separate turnouts. Just trying to find a workaround.
Thanks for pointing to scripting. I'll take a look to see if I can handle that. It's been a few years since the days when I taught low level programing.
Don
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There is no inherent reason why you were unable to set a long address in a LokSound Select decoder, unless you were trying to do it in Program on Main. Changing long address in Program on Main is unlikely to work.
The Speed Table behaviour you see is by design. It is explained on the Speed Table Pane of the ESU decoder definitions and also at this link: <>
Did you actually use Read Type from Decoder in JMRI to determine the correct model? You should always do this for ESU decoders.
What version of JMRI are you using? Always use the latest version with ESU (or other modern) decoders.
Please read (or reread) the entire message I posted a few hours ago: That message has important information about ESU V4 and Select decoders.
The New England Convention 2018
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On 11 Aug 2018, at 11:06 PM, Gary Ray < gerber1926@...> wrote: A friend of mine brought over an Atlas RS-3 to be programmed and I was able to give it a 2 digit address but not 4 digit.? It has the ESU LokSound Select Sound-Decoder.? Also speed curve could not be changed other than readjusting the end value and the linear (straight) line speed is reduced.? Any ideas about 4 digit addressing? ?
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Thanks Rick, found f45, like the engine sound, but it seems to not start at power on, only when engine starts up, changed back and forth with read, write, but does not action, changes cv116, and when I look at the Tsunami 2 users manual, it says should be cv198, go to cv¡¯s page but don¡¯t know what to change 198 to manualy, any thoughts ? Robert J. Richter 283 Elm Street North Reading, MA 01864 ?
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From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Richard Knight
Sent: Saturday, August 11, 2018 1:04 AM
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: [jmriusers] Athern Genesis F45? Bob, That is the way it is for Soundtraxx decoders. There has been no indentifier that decoder pro could use to pick out the actual decoder, so you end up with a list that YOU have to pick out the right decoder or in the case of the Genesis loco the FP45 is in the list. So just select it? and continue on. Open programmer and read-write whatever. Again that is how it works with soundtraxx Tsunami decoders. That is the conundrum that we all face. There is very little uniformity among the various manufacturers. The NMRA should have addressed this issue years ago. Every decoder could get an identifier. Lok sound decoders have a serial number so they can be traced back to manufacture. The NMRA specs were written up 20-25 years ago long before decoders got so complicated. My wish is that all decoders would have the same functions F0-F10. Above that do what they want to make their decoders special. ??? When I get a chance i will sort out the headlight and rotary beacon wires. As? Dan said "it doesn't make any sense". ??? ??? ??? ??? ??? ??? ??? ??? ??? ??? ??? ??? ??? ??? ??? ??? ??? ??? ??? ??? ??? ??? ??? ??? ??? ??? ??? ??? ??? ??? ??? ??? ??? ??? Rick. Will need a sympathetic ear so i can vent my frustrations. ? On 8/10/2018 7:54 PM, Robert J. Richter wrote: have an Athern Genesis F45 with Tsunami 2 diesel factory installed, when i hit Identify it says it could be any one of over 20 products, is this model not in the system on JMRI?
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Re: Multiple turnouts on one address using functions?
Hi all
Yep, did it by the book for those 8 mainline locations and it's worked well for ops sessions over about 7 years
However,
We've learned that switching my steel mill and related yard is too far to reach, but I was never willing to sink $$ into solution
Now, like you I have project to power 27 hard to reach single turnouts using Arduinos and SG90 servos. Have prototype working with a lot of cribbing from YouTube etc.
Haven't even tried to think how to interface with JMRI... But we have about 65 other hand thrown sites.
But am making panels with single pushbutton and bi-color LED indicators
In aiming for $5 per site and should be able to do that
Good luck and keep us posted on your progress.
John Stewart
Birmingham AL
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Gary, The LokSound Select is a very versatile decoder. It should take 4 digit addresses just fine and the speed curve setting functions perfectly for me.? Did you have decoder pro auto identify the decoder as in a new loco? ?After that you need to go to the cv pane and read full sheet. It takes a while. There are over 1000 cvs. Depending on how your programming preferences are set up it can take 20 minutes to over an hour.? Then you can change speed table, etc. If you read Dave Heap's instructions in the same thread you referenced in your question, you can set your preferences following his instructions before reading the decoder and it will minimize the time needed.?
A friend of mine brought over an Atlas RS-3 to be programmed and I was able to give it a 2 digit address but not 4 digit.? It has the ESU LokSound Select Sound-Decoder.? Also speed curve could not be changed other than readjusting the end value and the linear (straight) line speed is reduced.? Any ideas about 4 digit addressing? ? Gary Ray ? From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Tom Wilson
Sent: Friday, August 10, 2018 9:07 PM
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: [jmriusers] ESU Loksound Intermountain Loco for Decoder Pro ? If those are the ESU Essential Sound Unit model decoders, I dont think they are in the JMRI system yet. I think the developer that is working on that is trying to clarify with ESU some fine points. If they are LokSound v4.0 or Loksound Select, they should be in there.? The Essential Sound Unit model has limited programmability. But I dont know any of the specifics as I dont own any.
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Unable to select command station consist in consist manager
I Unable to select command station consist in the consist manager. The selection button is greyed out. I am running JMRI 4.12 on a raspberry pi. My commanf station isa digitrax DCS 240. All of my preferences are set to loconet. I am able to create advanced consisting. I'm thinking im missing something simple.
Steve
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Brad, I had a semi-same experience. I finally had to delete my Com3 port.
Have you retained all of your "God given" er...MS ports?
Bob
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Re: Multiple turnouts on one address using functions?
Bob,
I can't tell you how to do it from a Digitrax throttle. I'm not a Digitrax guy and don't wnat to start a war by explaining why.
From any other system, I set the address for the decoder and press the function key that controls that turnout. Both NCE and Engine Driver ( the two systems I use at home) give me an indication of the state of the turnout.
What I want to do is set up a graphic indication under panel pro. I blindly assumed that a decoder for multiple turnouts used functions when I was building. It's my fault that I didn't check earlier that they used separate addresses for separate turnouts. Just trying to find a workaround.
Thanks for pointing to scripting. I'll take a look to see if I can handle that. It's been a few years since the days when I taught low level programing.
Don
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Re: Multiple turnouts on one address using functions?
Bob,
The TF-4 is a mobile decoder with transponding and 4 functions. The 4 function keys can be set to a group of 4 in the F0-F12 range. The four outputs which normally drive LEDs drive a relay which drives a Kato turnout circuit. The TF-4 is normally added to an exiting engine to add additional function outputs and transponding.
A script could be written to acquire the appropriate DCC address and respond to internal turnout commands to change the related function key.
Dave Sand
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On Aug 11, 2018, at 10:12 AM, Bob Jacobsen <rgj1927@...> wrote:
I¡¯m still not understanding how you have this wired.
Could you give an example of what you have to do from a Digitrax throttle to change a particular turnout?
If you can do it routinely from a Digitrax throttle, JMRI can be set up to do it via Logix or script.
Bob
On Aug 11, 2018, at 10:19 AM, Don Babcock via Groups.Io <donbab48@...> wrote:
Dave,
I'm using Digitrax TF-4's to control some of those cheap chinese relay boards which in turn control Ray Stillwell's BCD circuit to run Kato turnouts.
Works well when contolling from handset ( I use NCE or Engine Driver). I wanted to build out the layout with Panel Pro and facia mounted android tablets as control panels.
Wanted to utilize the touch features for throwing turnouts instead of changing the handset readout to get to them. Didn't realize I would run into trouble until I tried to put them into the turnout database.
I've got the whole layout wired for about 4 dollars per turnout and hate to think about redoing it with individual decoders at the associated cost. Don't even want to think about going back to toggles, but that may be the short term fix.
Thanks for any insght you may have. I think I've built myself into a corner. Should have looked at the database before I started. I love JMRI, but the documentation could be better. I know it's all volunteer and most software developers are not great tech writers. Not complaining, just hoping someone else may have solved it and save me some fustration.
Don
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Bob Jacobsen
rgj1927@...
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Re: Decoder pro V4.12.1, WOW diesel V4 quill
Thank You Michael,? Rick.
On 8/11/2018 11:26 AM, Michael Mosher
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It will be added.? Documentation I got from TCS had CV4.1 listed
as not used, thou on their web site 4 CV programmer does show it.
Michael Mosher
Webmaster, ECSFM
Member SFRH&MS
DCC Master PVSMR
On 8/11/2018 10:56 AM, Richard Knight
wrote:
Greg, Thanks, I may give that a try. On the steam wow I
usually uncheck the med. and log. quills but discovered that
option is missing form the Diesel Sound pane or has been moved
to the sound function pane as was mentioned. Rick.
On 8/11/2018 7:07 AM, Greg Komar
wrote:
Rick,
?
FWIW¡ ?The West Virginia
Northern isn¡¯t long enough to handle the Long and
Medium quills for crossings. ?I¡¯m still on JMRI
4.11.3, but I¡¯ve never been convinced that I could
reliably select ¡°short quill¡± in DP. I¡¯ve found
using the 4CV pane in DP more reliable. Diesel v3
& v4, use 4-1-0-1, Steam v4, use 4-25-0-1 for
CV¡¯s 201-201-203-204.
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Greg
Komar
gkomar@...
"The
nicest thing about the future is that it always
starts immediately."
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Hi, In the SOUND pane there
are no options for selecting short, medium, or long
quill. I checked with J.D. at TCS and the decoder
has those options. I checked three different diesel
prime movers and that option is not there. Any
comments ? Thanks, Rick.
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Re: Decoder pro V4.12.1, WOW diesel V4 quill
It will be added.? Documentation I got from TCS had CV4.1 listed as
not used, thou on their web site 4 CV programmer does show it.
Michael Mosher
Webmaster, ECSFM
Member SFRH&MS
DCC Master PVSMR
On 8/11/2018 10:56 AM, Richard Knight
wrote:
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Greg, Thanks, I may give that a try. On the steam wow I usually
uncheck the med. and log. quills but discovered that option is
missing form the Diesel Sound pane or has been moved to the
sound function pane as was mentioned. Rick.
On 8/11/2018 7:07 AM, Greg Komar
wrote:
Rick,
?
FWIW¡ ?The West Virginia
Northern isn¡¯t long enough to handle the Long and
Medium quills for crossings. ?I¡¯m still on JMRI
4.11.3, but I¡¯ve never been convinced that I could
reliably select ¡°short quill¡± in DP. I¡¯ve found using
the 4CV pane in DP more reliable. Diesel v3 & v4,
use 4-1-0-1, Steam v4, use 4-25-0-1 for CV¡¯s
201-201-203-204.
?
Greg Komar
gkomar@...
"The
nicest thing about the future is that it always
starts immediately."
?
Hi, In the SOUND pane there are no
options for selecting short, medium, or long quill. I
checked with J.D. at TCS and the decoder has those
options. I checked three different diesel prime movers
and that option is not there. Any comments ? Thanks,
Rick.
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Re: Multiple turnouts on one address using functions?
I¡¯m still not understanding how you have this wired. Could you give an example of what you have to do from a Digitrax throttle to change a particular turnout? If you can do it routinely from a Digitrax throttle, JMRI can be set up to do it via Logix or script. Bob On Aug 11, 2018, at 10:19 AM, Don Babcock via Groups.Io <donbab48@...> wrote:
Dave,
I'm using Digitrax TF-4's to control some of those cheap chinese relay boards which in turn control Ray Stillwell's BCD circuit to run Kato turnouts.
Works well when contolling from handset ( I use NCE or Engine Driver). I wanted to build out the layout with Panel Pro and facia mounted android tablets as control panels.
Wanted to utilize the touch features for throwing turnouts instead of changing the handset readout to get to them. Didn't realize I would run into trouble until I tried to put them into the turnout database.
I've got the whole layout wired for about 4 dollars per turnout and hate to think about redoing it with individual decoders at the associated cost. Don't even want to think about going back to toggles, but that may be the short term fix.
Thanks for any insght you may have. I think I've built myself into a corner. Should have looked at the database before I started. I love JMRI, but the documentation could be better. I know it's all volunteer and most software developers are not great tech writers. Not complaining, just hoping someone else may have solved it and save me some fustration.
Don
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It¡¯s saying that the panel file has two SignalHeads defined with the same user name "YELLOW SIG-5¡±. The most straight-forward way to resolve this, I think, is to *) Set JMRI Preferences -> Startup Items to run the "jython/TurnOffXmlValidation.py¡± script _before_ loading your file. That¡¯ll let it go past the error. *) Load your file, fix the error, save a new file *) Them remove the script, because that validation step is protecting you against bad things and bypassing it could well result in future trouble. Bob On Aug 11, 2018, at 1:34 AM, pjmattson@... wrote:
I down loaded the latest JMRI update on a newer laptop. I tried to transfer my Panels to the newer computer. When I ran the panel I got the message below. What am I doing wrong?
Parse error
while parsing file /C:/Users/P.%20j.%20Mattson/JMRI/RVR%208-2018-2.xml
Exception: org.jdom2.input.JDOMParseException: Error on line 3334: cvc-identity-constraint.4.1: Duplicate unique value [YELLOW SIG-5] declared for identity constraint "signalHeadUserName" of element "layout-config"
See http:jamri.org/help/en/package/jmri/configurexml/ErrorHandler.shtml for more information.
I went to this web site but it didn't help.
PJ
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Re: I am unable to read what type of decoder from the program track and mainline on LokSound and Broadway Limited decoders. I can read the Digitrax decoders.
Right. So focusing on the difference between _them_ is unlikely to resolve this. Netter would be to focus on findings something different in the two surrounding installations: wiring, power supply, computer, JMRI. And you can narrow that down a lot by trying to read CV7 and CV8 from a Digitrax throttle on each setup. Have you done that test? Bob eOn Aug 10, 2018, at 9:03 PM, AD <bklyns_baseball_club@...> wrote:
DIGITRAX says the two dcs 100 and 200 are identical except for three power components used to get 8 instead of 3 amps. -- Bob Jacobsen rgj1927@...
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Re: Engine Driver Consists & functions
Do Engine Driver consists exist within Engine Driver or does Engine Driver use the command station to set-up consists?
Consists created in Engine Driver only exist in ED. They are transient, and go away when you exit ED. All commands are duplicated to each consist member. As for why the functions aren't working as you expect, Robin could provide more insight into that area, as he wrote it. --SteveT
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Re: Decoder pro V4.12.1, WOW diesel V4 quill
Greg, Thanks, I may give that a try. On the steam wow I usually
uncheck the med. and log. quills but discovered that option is
missing form the Diesel Sound pane or has been moved to the sound
function pane as was mentioned. Rick.
On 8/11/2018 7:07 AM, Greg Komar wrote:
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Show quoted text
Rick,
?
FWIW¡ ?The West Virginia
Northern isn¡¯t long enough to handle the Long and Medium
quills for
crossings. ?I¡¯m still on JMRI 4.11.3, but I¡¯ve never
been
convinced that I could reliably select ¡°short quill¡± in
DP. I¡¯ve
found using the 4CV pane in DP more reliable. Diesel v3
& v4, use 4-1-0-1,
Steam v4, use 4-25-0-1 for CV¡¯s 201-201-203-204.
?
Greg
Komar
gkomar@...
"The
nicest thing about the future is that it always
starts immediately."
?
Hi, In the SOUND pane there are no
options for selecting short, medium,
or long quill. I checked with J.D. at TCS and the
decoder has those options. I
checked three different diesel prime movers and that
option is not there. Any
comments ? Thanks, Rick.
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Re: Multiple turnouts on one address using functions?
John,
Sounds like you're using it exactly how it was designed. It does it well. I'm pretty much trying to roll my own.?
Thanks for the reply.
Don
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Re: Multiple turnouts on one address using functions?
Dave,
I'm using Digitrax TF-4's to control some of those cheap chinese relay boards which in turn control Ray Stillwell's BCD circuit to run Kato turnouts.?
Works well when contolling from handset ( I use NCE or Engine Driver). I wanted to build out the layout with Panel Pro and facia mounted android tablets as control panels.
Wanted to utilize the touch features for throwing turnouts instead of changing the handset readout to get to them. Didn't realize I would run into trouble until I tried to put them into the turnout database.
I've got the whole layout wired for about 4 dollars per turnout and hate to think about redoing it with individual decoders at the associated cost. Don't even want to think about going back to toggles, but that may be the short term fix.
Thanks for any insght you may have. I think I've built myself into a corner. Should have looked at the database before I started. I love JMRI, but the documentation could be better. I know it's all volunteer and most software developers are not great tech writers. Not complaining, just hoping someone else may have solved it and save me some fustration.
Don
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Robert J. Richter
Michael Mosher
Bob Jacobsen