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Re: Lightening Storm w/ Digitrax - How to Protect for G Scale
Well probably the cheapest solution then is to disconnect the Loconet cable (6 conductor flat wire) at the entry / exit from each of the metal boxes. Easy to do but a pain. That way if there is a surge somewhere it will only locally affect the electronics in an individual box.
I was hoping for some surge network protector like my whole house surge protector for electricity.
Interesting enough, during this same storm I had failures on my house internet wired components too. None of these connections exit the house and are only wired in the house. My Netgear switch, Apple Wifi Base Extreme, Apple TVs, and Apple Expresses. Somehow the surge came in through the house ethernet cables. None of these cables are connected to any train components.
The Loconet and home ethernet cables are not connected through any common components.
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Dispatcher, transits and sections. Trying to stop engine using stopping sensors.
I have a Lenz based system using signal mast logic and full occupancy detection using Lenz and LDT kit. I can run dispatcher and autotrains on a simple loop, turnout and signal heads all change and show the correct aspect, so Signal mast logic must be OK, certainly the aspects appear to be correct. I am using basic signal heads/masts. I am only running a single engine so no issue with resistant wheels. I have not set up block lengths, and forward/reverse sensors so that may be the issue. But I thought that I did not need these as dispatcher would detect forward/reverse direction.
I have set up LDT RS-16 to enable station stopping with a push-button and have set the sensor up in the sensor table so that it is inactive/active when I press the pushbutton. I have set the section up so that the forward stop sensor is the system name of this sensor.
When the engine enters the block/section (block name=section name, 1:1 relationship) I activate the sensor using the pushbutton but nothing happens, the engine just runs on. If I don't use the stopping sensor in the section then the autotrain /transit allows an action to pause the engine on section entry.
What am I doing wrong with forward/reverse stopping sensors?
I have also tried to set up an action which uses ON SESOR ACTIVE to pause the train, but I cannot find a way to select the appropriate sensor., What am I missing?
My transits have a minimum of 7 sections (1 block to 1 section) and there is no issue with allocation. It seems that I am just missing something.. I am running 4.6.
Thank for reading this.
Simon K
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Re: Lightening Storm w/ Digitrax - How to Protect for G Scale
same solution. Total isolation with fiber optic.
I do not know what locket uses for a transmission media.
RS485 2 wire, ???
There are isolators for all industrial networks.
If nothing can be found for locket then the only remaining solution is live with it.
Jim
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On Aug 2, 2017, at 8:26 AM, alan.b.pearce@... [jmriusers] <jmriusers@...> wrote:
No, he is using Loconet through the piping.
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The only way to stop this is with total isolation.
It sounds like you are using ethernet for the network connections.
NEVER EVER leave a structure ( house ) and go to any other structure and run
copper ethernet to anything else.
You want to solve this problem you will need to replace all you outside
copper ethernet with fiber otic cables and then install fiber to ethernet
converters at each of you end points.
Will cost a lot of money.
I say this with 50 years of industrial experience.
You can run a 2 inch diameter copper wire between every device and drive
ground rods till you are bankrupt and it will not solve the problem.
Jim
On Aug 2, 2017, at 3:26 AM, alan.b.pearce@... [jmriusers] <jmriusers@...> wrote:
Below is my track configuration. This is an outdoor layout with
fulll Digitrax electronics. I have all of the Digitrax electronics
installed in 4 major metal enclosures. All of the wires connecting
the metal enclosures are connected via plastic conduit, with many
minor connections from the boxes to smaller boxes connected via
conduits.
As a first hit (no pun intended) I would run an earth wire down the inside of
the conduit and use it to connect the metal boxes together. Use a heavy
gauge wire such as used for connecting house grounds to a grounding stake.
This will minimise the possible voltage difference between boxes during
lightning strikes, and hence the possibility of damage.
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Those system names ( IH:SE8C:"LT257";"LT258", IH:SE8C:"LT259";"LT260"...) are correct.
Peter
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I am new to model railroading, and in the beginning stages of setting up an N scale system. I will be using Digitrax products so I will be using the SE8C for signal control. I have finished R. Bucklew's three part tutorial for using Panel Pro to setup a layout and to control signals. I have been trying to figure out to setup signals using JMRI and the SE8C. I found an example in the JMRI help; however, in the signal head table the System Names are LH257, LH258...No matter what I do, my System Names come out IH:SE8C:"LT257";"LT258", IH:SE8C:"LT259";"LT260"... Is this how it should look or am I doing something wrong? I am working a stand alone PC not connected a Loconet. I do not have a SE8C card and would like to figure this out before I buy one.
Larry Bergeron
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While the Sound Value decoders have reduced features than a Tsunami, I wouldn't say it has very limited capabilities. They are actually very good decoders.
That said, the OP is talking about the DCC Onboard decoders which aren't the same as Sound Value decoders and are more limited.
Peter
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Harry, I have 1 Bachmann soundvalue locomotive, a GP40-2, it came with a Tsunami OEM, and VERY limited capabilities, but it does support speed tables.It has pre loaded ones, as well as user defined, which is what I use. John
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No, he is using Loconet through the piping.
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The only way to stop this is with total isolation.
It sounds like you are using ethernet for the network connections.
NEVER EVER leave a structure ( house ) and go to any other structure and run
copper ethernet to anything else.
You want to solve this problem you will need to replace all you outside
copper ethernet with fiber otic cables and then install fiber to ethernet
converters at each of you end points.
Will cost a lot of money.
I say this with 50 years of industrial experience.
You can run a 2 inch diameter copper wire between every device and drive
ground rods till you are bankrupt and it will not solve the problem.
Jim
On Aug 2, 2017, at 3:26 AM, alan.b.pearce@... [jmriusers] <jmriusers@...> wrote:
Below is my track configuration. This is an outdoor layout with
fulll Digitrax electronics. I have all of the Digitrax electronics
installed in 4 major metal enclosures. All of the wires connecting
the metal enclosures are connected via plastic conduit, with many
minor connections from the boxes to smaller boxes connected via
conduits.
As a first hit (no pun intended) I would run an earth wire down the inside of
the conduit and use it to connect the metal boxes together. Use a heavy
gauge wire such as used for connecting house grounds to a grounding stake.
This will minimise the possible voltage difference between boxes during
lightning strikes, and hence the possibility of damage.
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Thank you everyone!
I found it!!
Jay
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Harry,?I have 1 Bachmann soundvalue locomotive, ?a GP40-2, it came with a Tsunami OEM, ?and VERY ?limited capabilities, ?but it does support speed tables.It has pre loaded ?ones, as well as user defined, ?which is what I use.?John
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On Tue, Aug 1, 2017 at 2:24 PM, dareese51 dareese51@... [jmriusers]<jmriusers@...> wrote: ? Harry I only have one Bachman Locomotive and the decoder that came with it was a very poor quality decoder. ?I wanted to add sound to the locomotive anyway so I replaced the decoder with a Soundtrax decoder that supported speed step programming. ?I do recall that the Bachman decoder did not support speed steps. ? David On Tuesday, August 1, 2017 1:39 PM, "Model Railroad Builder modelrailroadbuilder@... [jmriusers]" <jmriusers@...> wrote: ? Harry, It may be that the specific decoder that you have does not implement speed tables. Can you give us the details on the decoder model and make. Bachman has used SoundTraxx decoders in many of their models and to my knowledge most of those do allow speed tables. Mark Juett Ace Services LLC Your First Choice www.modelrailroadbuilder.com Begin forwarded message: From: "harry_kane2000@... [jmriusers]" <jmriusers@...>
Date: July 31, 2017 at 8:59:30 PM MDT
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I'm very new to this JMRI stuff so bear with me. I have successfully loaded JMRI and have successfully run trains from my laptop, I've even managed to run two trains at a time from my smart phone using the Engine Driver app. However the main reason I started with JMRI was to use the nifty speed table page to adjust the speed curves on my locos. I have 4 locomotives, all Bachman with DCC on board, and none of these will allow that table to come up. It says this page is not available and suggests I choose another tab. I this a problem with Bachman decoders not allowing the setting of these tables? Help!
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The only way to stop this is with total isolation. It sounds like you are using ethernet for the network connections. NEVER EVER leave a structure ( house ) and go to any other structure and run copper ethernet to anything else. You want to solve this problem you will need to replace all you outside copper ethernet with fiber otic cables and then install fiber to ethernet converters at each of you end points. Will cost a lot of money. I say this with 50 years of industrial experience. You can run a 2 inch diameter copper wire between every device and drive ground rods till you are bankrupt and it will not solve the problem. Jim On Aug 2, 2017, at 3:26 AM, alan.b.pearce@... [jmriusers] <jmriusers@...> wrote:
Below is my track configuration. This is an outdoor layout with fulll Digitrax
electronics. I have all of the Digitrax electronics installed in 4 major metal
enclosures. All of the wires connecting the metal enclosures are connected
via plastic conduit, with many minor connections from the boxes to smaller
boxes connected via conduits. As a first hit (no pun intended) I would run an earth wire down the inside of the conduit and use it to connect the metal boxes together. Use a heavy gauge wire such as used for connecting house grounds to a grounding stake. This will minimise the possible voltage difference between boxes during lightning strikes, and hence the possibility of damage.
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Below is my track configuration. This is an outdoor layout with fulll Digitrax
electronics. I have all of the Digitrax electronics installed in 4 major metal
enclosures. All of the wires connecting the metal enclosures are connected
via plastic conduit, with many minor connections from the boxes to smaller
boxes connected via conduits. As a first hit (no pun intended) I would run an earth wire down the inside of the conduit and use it to connect the metal boxes together. Use a heavy gauge wire such as used for connecting house grounds to a grounding stake. This will minimise the possible voltage difference between boxes during lightning strikes, and hence the possibility of damage.
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Look Here: On Wed, Aug 2, 2017 at 2:08 PM, Kurt kurt.konrath@... [jmriusers] < jmriusers@...> wrote: WiThrottle is an iPhone app.
As listed below Androids use Engine Driver.
Both work with JMRI software
Kurt
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On Aug 1, 2017, at 11:00 PM, mvwilson mvwilson@... [jmriusers] <jmriusers@...> wrote:
Engine driver
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I can't find WiThrottle for my Android phone.
Is there an equivalent for Android?
Thanks!!
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Re: WiThrottle for Android
WiThrottle is an iPhone app. As listed below Androids use Engine Driver. Both work with JMRI software Kurt On Aug 1, 2017, at 11:00 PM, mvwilson mvwilson@... [jmriusers] <jmriusers@...> wrote:
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-------- Original message --------From: "[email protected] [jmriusers]" <jmriusers@...> Date: 2/8/17 13:43 (GMT+10:00) To: jmriusers@... Subject: [jmriusers] WiThrottle for Android
I can't find WiThrottle for my Android phone.
Is there an equivalent for Android?
Thanks!!
Jay
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Yes it,s called engine driver.
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I can't find WiThrottle for my Android phone.
Is there an equivalent for Android?
Thanks!!
Jay
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Lightening Storm w/ Digitrax - How to Protect for G Scale
This may not be related to JMRI but I am sure some of you are using the Digitrax Loconet electronics and some may have experienced this so I am putting this on the board for discussion.
I have have been building my train G-Scale layout for the past 18 months. Everything was running fine and I had a big electrical storm 3 weeks ago that basically fried all of the Digitrax electronics. My house including the layout power supplies are protected via a a whole house surge protection system. The only item that failed during the storm were network type devices including my wifi router, netgear switch, apple TVs, and wifi extenders. The major point of failure seems to be the Locotnet network connection for the Digitrax components. All Digitrax power supplies for the electronic boards were fine. No power was on during the storm. There was no sign of burned wires of any entry of a surge into the system.
I have had no problems for the past 15 years at this house with any type of electrical storm but of course it hit as I was finishing up my G-Scale layout.
Below is my track configuration. This is an outdoor layout with fulll Digitrax electronics. I have all of the Digitrax electronics installed in 4 major metal enclosures. All of the wires connecting the metal enclosures are connected via plastic conduit, with many minor connections from the boxes to smaller boxes connected via conduits.
Any advice on how to prevent this in the future would be great. I have added grounding rods (8' in the ground) for each of my electrical boxes. When not running the layout I am isolating the Loconet connections into and out of the boxes so if there is a problem it won't affect all components.
Digitrax has been great and I am returning many of the components for repair and I have asked them for help too but I thought maybe someone has been through this here and could offer some advice. I realize that having an outdoor layout fully electronic is probably not the best situation but I suspect that even if this was inside my house the same problem could have happened. The storm fried many of my components connected to my internal ethernet cabling system of which the Digitrax system was not connected too.
Again, this may not happen again for the next 15 years and this is why I have insurance but I would like to protect my system as best I can for any future electrical storms.
Thanks,
Michael Carney
Details of my System
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Track Electronics
Digitrax,
DCS200 ¡.. just upgraded to DCS240
powered by PS2012
PR3 Xtra (2)
One connected to Macbook Pro
One connected to Raspberry Pi
UR92 (2)
BDL168 (6)
AR1 (3)
SE8C (5)
DS64 (9)
Track
LGB G-Scale track
(90) track detection zones using BDL168
(20) ID detection section using DBL168 and RX4s
LGB Turnouts
(50) LGB turnouts
Signal Heads from South Bend Signal
controlled by SE8Cs
Wiring
Loconet
split into 3 sections
one connected to DCS and half of BDLs, DS64s, SE8Cs
one connected to DCS and other half of components and (2) UR92s
track fore Train control
BDL168, SE8C, DS64 are not connected to track for Loconet
Wiring Locatons (4 major boxes connected via plastic conduit)
Pool Area
2 exterior boxes
West Mountain
1 exterior box
Circus City
1 exterior box
West City
1 exterior box
All connected via conduit
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Re: Locobuffer locking up from data overload?
Steve,
I've done some SE8c bench-testing for the concept to use the "LDT LS-DEC" signal head type. The concept is sound, and seems to work well. I tried the concept with the SE8c in "fourth aspect flashing yellow" setting, and the Southern 1981 "signal system". It was the only "signal system" (in 4.7.4) which only used one color of "flashing" head appearance and did not use "dark".
In the head settings, I used two "internal" turnouts for the "Dark", "Flashing green" and "Flashing red" items, with unique encoding across the three aspects. I used the _same_ internal turnouts for each head I defined - this was ok since the "signal system" never made use of those head appearances, so there was never a conflict.
When setting a mast aspect (or head aspect) which included a flashing head, the only LocoNet traffic involved was to set the appropriate switch for the appropriate state. JMRI did not generate the repetitive sequence of LocoNet traffic which is normally associated with SE8c flashing (with the "fourth aspect is dark" setting). LocoNet traffic was just about as minimal as it could be, and the SE8c was allowed to perform its own "flashing".
With all this in mind, I think that this concept could be applied to a signaling system like what you've proposed - where the only "flashing" aspect defined in the JMRI "signal system" is "flashing red", and where the SE8c is used in "fourth aspect is flashing red" mode.
Regards,
Billybob
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Re: Odd problems with latest test version 4.9.1 Windows 10
Really glad you found some issues Dave. I am also seeing a 'null' when
trying to set routes and it seems to have stopped working again... maybe
something I edited wrong in the XML... I hope not. I have been seening
random <comment/> entries (by themselves!) other things... but enough for
now! It is a test version after all! John
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Re: Locobuffer locking up from data overload?
Bob,
Thank you for this explanation, I've never seen it explained that way! You're right, I assumed 4 states meant 2 bits, either of which might be 0 or 1, every time.
I truly appreciate your contribution to our hobby: not only your stewardship of JMRI itself, but the depth of knowledge you've had to gain in order to provide this fantastic tool and the unbelievably good support. In fact I'm going right now to the site to donate to the JMRI project.
Thanks again!
Sincerely,
Steve Davis
KCS 3rd Sub
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