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Bob,
Is it possible that when Decoder Pro initializes for the software to read the slots in the command station and store that information. If this could be accomplished then the slot information would be available at anytime.
Just a thought. Yes, that's what the active Slot Manager does. But that's a lot of LocoNet traffic, and it can cause problems if you start the program while the layout is running. I have to teach it to be a little smarter about which slots are interesting, so that when it sees one being used, only then does it request the contents. Bob -- -------------- Bob Jacobsen (Bob_Jacobsen@..., 510-486-7355, fax 510-495-2957) Am working off a huge email backlog, call if it's urgent.
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At 12:26 PM +0000 7/4/02, dale_gloer wrote: My guess is that the installer is a 32 bit program. So, I am trying
to figure out how to get W2K to give me a 32bit VDM to run the
installer in. Will update you if I find a solution. The installer _is_ a 32 bit program. I don't know much about Windows, so left most of the installer-builder settings as they were. It's got an option called "Generate a 32-bit setup" which is checked by default. The help text is "If checked, a 32 bit setup .exe will be generated. This file will only run on Windows 9.x, Windows NT or Windows 2000." That makes me think that it should be working for you, but it's clearly not. How does Windows decide whether a .exe file is 32-bit or not? Could something have been mis-set in the .exe that confuses it, either at my end or in transmission? Sourceforge has the file listed as "32-bit Windows", so should have used that Mime-type when downloading it. Is there another way to install this version?
Not today. As part of the deal for getting the piece of comm code I needed to talk at the MS100 baud rate on Windows, I had to agree to not allow separate downloading of the parts that make it up. That includes making a .zip file available for download. I can't push too hard, because he's already been quite flexible in letting us use his commercial product. He generously let me use the $50 "one-user" license instead of the $1500 "commercial distribution" license. Investing money for a component of something that's then freely available is interesting economics... I'm still hoping that we can get a non-commercial implementation of the comm code. But that's also a free-ware project, which means that it moves at its own rate. When it's done, I can make that available like the older versions of DecoderPro, where you copy some files into specific places. But it might be a couple weeks. Bob -- -------------- Bob Jacobsen (Bob_Jacobsen@..., 510-486-7355, fax 510-495-2957) Am working off a huge email backlog, call if it's urgent.
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My laptop is an IBM Thinkpad T20 with an Intel Pentium III processor running about 800mHz - don't know exactly. The error happens immediately that the Command Line window opens after selecting the installer. There is nothing displayed in the Command Line window. Another piece of information which I got from observing more carefully this morning. The error popup box has a title line that says: 16 Bit MS DOS Subsytem My guess is that the installer is a 32 bit program. So, I am trying to figure out how to get W2K to give me a 32bit VDM to run the installer in. Will update you if I find a solution. Is there another way to install this version? Dale. PS: I appreciate what you are doing with this program. It is the only thing that available that can give me what I want for decoder programming. Maybe I will just have to break down and buy a locobuffer. --- In jmriusers@y..., Bob Jacobsen <Bob_Jacobsen@l...> wrote: At 6:48 PM +0000 7/3/02, dale_gloer wrote:
I also have a laptop with W2K on it which doesn't work with the
prvious version of Decoder Pro. I downloaded the installer to it and when I try to start the installer I get a nasty message in a popup
box as follows:
The NTVDM CPU has encountered an illegal instruction,
CS:053c IP:02b7 OP:63 65 6e 74 65 Choose 'Close' to terminate the
application.
There is a Close and an Ignore button at the bottom of the box. That's not a good sign...
Does this happen _before_ the installer splash screen comes up?
And what type of laptop (e.g. what processor) is this?
I'll ask the Mindvision people if they've seen this before once I
get those details.
Bob
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Bob,
Is it possible that when Decoder Pro initializes for the software to read the slots in the command station and store that information. If this could be accomplished then the slot information would be available at anytime.
Just a thought.
Al,
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From: Bob Jacobsen
To: jmriusers@...
Sent: Wednesday, July 03, 2002 12:57 PM
Subject: Re: [jmriusers] MS100 connections from the PC
At 12:46 PM -0400 7/3/02, Al Silverstein wrote:
>Jon,
>
>I do not know how to express this very well so please try and follow
>my reasoning.
>
>Each time a locomotive speed message is sent from the throttle to
>the locomotive the packet includes the locomotives address.
>
>It is there for reasonable to assume that the locomotive address can
>be extracted from the packet by the Decoder Pro software and
>displayed in the LocoNet Debug window. I use long (extended)
>addressing. When I saw slot 1 in the LocoNet Debug window I was
>controlling a locomotive with address 8127.
>
>I hope that this answers your question.
Thanks, I think I understand.
The answer is "yes and no". The LocoNet message we're displaying
doesn't carry the locomotive address, just the slot number. But the
program does have a SlotManager, which in many cases knows the
locomotive number. It's a good idea to add that info to the monitor
display, I'll do that.
But it won't be 100% present without some work. In DecoderPro, the
slot monitor is passive; it just looks at the information it sees go
by on the LocoNet. The way it knows what's in a slot is to see the
contents go by in an acquire, dispatch or update operation. So the
monitor will only have the address available after it's been watching
for a little while. I'll have to see whether that's a real problem or
not; I'll do some tests later today.
The full JMRI library has an active slot monitor, which asks the
command station when it needs info. I'd left that out of DecoderPro
because it wasn't really needed, and because it causes some extra
LocoNet traffic. But I should look into whether it would be good to
add it.
Thanks for the suggestion!
Bob
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At 6:48 PM +0000 7/3/02, dale_gloer wrote: I also have a laptop with W2K on it which doesn't work with the
prvious version of Decoder Pro. I downloaded the installer to it and
when I try to start the installer I get a nasty message in a popup box
as follows:
The NTVDM CPU has encountered an illegal instruction,
CS:053c IP:02b7 OP:63 65 6e 74 65 Choose 'Close' to terminate the
application.
There is a Close and an Ignore button at the bottom of the box. That's not a good sign... Does this happen _before_ the installer splash screen comes up? And what type of laptop (e.g. what processor) is this? I'll ask the Mindvision people if they've seen this before once I get those details. Bob -- -------------- Bob Jacobsen (Bob_Jacobsen@..., 510-486-7355, fax 510-495-2957) Am working off a huge email backlog, call if it's urgent.
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Bob, I downloaded the installer and it ran clean on my W95 machine. The new version appears to work OK. Unfortunately it is not near teh railroad and I have no loco net connection to it to try at the moment. I also have a laptop with W2K on it which doesn't work with the prvious version of Decoder Pro. I downloaded the installer to it and when I try to start the installer I get a nasty message in a popup box as follows: The NTVDM CPU has encountered an illegal instruction, CS:053c IP:02b7 OP:63 65 6e 74 65 Choose 'Close' to terminate the application. There is a Close and an Ignore button at the bottom of the box. Too bad because I really hoped that Decoder Pro wopuld run on this machine. Dale. --- In jmriusers@y..., Bob Jacobsen <Bob_Jacobsen@l...> wrote: Sorry to have been so out of touch; I've been working on the PC <->
MS100 connections.
To make a long story short, I've uploaded a test installer to:
for a DecoderPro version that should be able to talk to an MS100 on
most(?) PCs.
I would greatly appreciate it if people could give it a try and let
me know whether it works. I've tried it with an HP PC under Win95
and XP Personal Edition. I'm particularly interested to know if it
installs properly and works on other windows versions, and if there's any particular hardware that it has trouble with.
Thanks in advance.
Bob
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At 12:46 PM -0400 7/3/02, Al Silverstein wrote: Jon,
I do not know how to express this very well so please try and follow my reasoning.
Each time a locomotive speed message is sent from the throttle to the locomotive the packet includes the locomotives address.
It is there for reasonable to assume that the locomotive address can be extracted from the packet by the Decoder Pro software and displayed in the LocoNet Debug window. I use long (extended) addressing. When I saw slot 1 in the LocoNet Debug window I was controlling a locomotive with address 8127.
I hope that this answers your question. Thanks, I think I understand. The answer is "yes and no". The LocoNet message we're displaying doesn't carry the locomotive address, just the slot number. But the program does have a SlotManager, which in many cases knows the locomotive number. It's a good idea to add that info to the monitor display, I'll do that. But it won't be 100% present without some work. In DecoderPro, the slot monitor is passive; it just looks at the information it sees go by on the LocoNet. The way it knows what's in a slot is to see the contents go by in an acquire, dispatch or update operation. So the monitor will only have the address available after it's been watching for a little while. I'll have to see whether that's a real problem or not; I'll do some tests later today. The full JMRI library has an active slot monitor, which asks the command station when it needs info. I'd left that out of DecoderPro because it wasn't really needed, and because it causes some extra LocoNet traffic. But I should look into whether it would be good to add it. Thanks for the suggestion! Bob -- -------------- Bob Jacobsen (Bob_Jacobsen@..., 510-486-7355, fax 510-495-2957) Am working off a huge email backlog, call if it's urgent.
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Jon,
I do not know how to express this very well so please try and follow my reasoning.
Each time a locomotive speed message is sent from the throttle to the locomotive the packet includes the locomotives address.
It is there for reasonable to assume that the locomotive address can be extracted from the packet by the Decoder Pro software and displayed in the LocoNet Debug window. I use long (extended) addressing. When I saw slot 1 in the LocoNet Debug window I was controlling a locomotive with address 8127.
I hope that this answers your question.
Al
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>One quick suggestion. It would be nice to see the locomotive address in
the LocoNet Monitor screen<
Al,
Not sure this would be possible until we have a feedback scheme in
place, like the current Digitrax or what NMRA is looking at? Or do I
misunderstand this?
Jon Miller
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One quick suggestion. It would be nice to see the locomotive address in the LocoNet Monitor screen< Al, Not sure this would be possible until we have a feedback scheme in place, like the current Digitrax or what NMRA is looking at? Or do I misunderstand this? Jon Miller AT&SF For me time has stopped in 1941 Digitrax DCC owner, Chief system NMRA Life member #2623 Member SFRH&MS
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Bob,
I just tried the lastest version Decoder Pro (0.9.3.4) with Java package (1.4.0_01) real quickly on a Dell GX1, PIII 600 mhz, 256MB ram, Com1, and Windows 98SE.
This is a very quick test.
1) Installed then booted latest version of Decoder Pro
2) Set Layout Cnnection to LocoNet MS100
3) Set Serial Port to COM1.
4) Set Command Station to DSC100
5) Set GUI to Windows
6) Saved Preferences.
7) Restarted Decoder Pro.
8) Started Debug LocoNet Monitor.
9) Saw messages as I turned the knob of a throttle.
10) Messages indicated that slot 1 speed was changing. My engine with address 8127 changed speeds with the throttle.
The basic test indicates that Decoder Pro is communicating.
One quick suggestion. It would be nice to see the locomotive address in the LocoNet Monitor screen.
Al
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From: Bob Jacobsen
To: jmriusers@...
Sent: Wednesday, July 03, 2002 11:20 AM
Subject: [jmriusers] MS100 connections from the PC
Sorry to have been so out of touch; I've been working on the PC <->
MS100 connections.
To make a long story short, I've uploaded a test installer to:
for a DecoderPro version that should be able to talk to an MS100 on
most(?) PCs.
I would greatly appreciate it if people could give it a try and let
me know whether it works. I've tried it with an HP PC under Win95
and XP Personal Edition. I'm particularly interested to know if it
installs properly and works on other windows versions, and if there's
any particular hardware that it has trouble with.
Thanks in advance.
Bob
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Sorry to have been so out of touch; I've been working on the PC <-> MS100 connections.
To make a long story short, I've uploaded a test installer to:
for a DecoderPro version that should be able to talk to an MS100 on most(?) PCs.
I would greatly appreciate it if people could give it a try and let me know whether it works. I've tried it with an HP PC under Win95 and XP Personal Edition. I'm particularly interested to know if it installs properly and works on other windows versions, and if there's any particular hardware that it has trouble with.
Thanks in advance.
Bob
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Dear bob,
with your install program I?ve installed the Decoder Pro
part of the J/MRI project. The JAVA version is 1.4.0_01.
Conected via(non selected)
On port (non selectet).
Begining the installation I?ve great problems to understand it
but in the morning it works.
It works on a Max-Data computer with WINDOWS 98. On the same
Computer works C/MRI Interface without 8255, with new input
and outputcards for Pentium. The 8255 works there not good.
I see you are also in the C/MRI group. Lets now begin to laborate
with DCC, I?ve never work before.
best regards
dieter
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Aleksandar,
in Germany there are some sites: Der_Moba.
They have PC and they do the same. PC connection with
layout an monitoring it.
Dieter
Model Railroad Electronics: C/MRI-Compatible Protocol for SECSI ...
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Thanks Bob and David.
Yes there is so many sites with DCC at real DIY base.
There is one problem. Those gays are mainly electronic experts, they
cannot bear that PC software do something instead of them.
And there is no just one DIY solution for connecting PC with layout for
monitoring it, mean PC connection with layout feedback.
Is my knowledge OK?
Best regards,
Aleksandar
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from germany, many greetings to all
and bob
in post 101 I want to give an information: is here every boddy
from Europe?
I have translated the introduction to this Group:
Modellbahnbetriebsysteme.
Das J/MRI wurde gestartet um Modellbahnbetriebsysteme mit dem
Computer einzusetzen. Wir wünschen uns dies, um für eine
m?glichst
gro?e Anzahl von Anwender es bereitstellen zu k?nnen.
So haben wir die Plattform in JAVA geschrieben um es irgendwo auf
einem beliebigen Computer einsetzen zu k?nnen. Es ist also die
Plattform, um es unabh?ngig zu machen von einer spezifizierten
Hardware und Software. Es geht um die Beseitigung der
Flaschenh?lse,
also um alle Systemfehler der früheren Generationen der Hardware
von
Rechner- und ?bertragungs- system (Motorola und DCC), die
auszumerzen
sind.
Es ist der Ausgangspunkt für Amateure, welche ihre Modellbahn von
einem Rechner steuern wollen, ohne selbst ein Baukasten-System
aufbauen zu müssen. ?hnlich wie beim C/MRI zuvor, ohne Umbau von
Lok und Wagen, soll es jetzt mit DCC Komponenten umgehen k?nnen
und über Bussysteme oder UBS mit der zus?tzlich notwendigen
Elektronik
verbunden werden. Es soll die schnellere Installation und preiswerte
Systemanpassung f?rdern.
Durch offene Programme und Betriebssysteme wie LINUX ist dies
m?glich
und investitionssicher. Auch die Protokollsprachen des Internets und
der Austausch über Client Server und UBS erm?glichen mit
robusten BUS-
Systemen wie LocoNet die ?bertragung an die Ger?te, die
Modellbahnen steuern. Für Modulanlagen hat hier FREMO bereits
Vorleistungen bereit gestellt.
Um dieses zu verwirklichen haben wir die Probleme in zwei Teile aufge-
teilt, die im dazwischen befindlichen Teil im Interface Protokoll
liegen.
In der unteren Schicht ist der Code für die Anschlüsse der
spezifizierten
Anlagen – Hardware.
Darüber liegt das Interface Protokoll für die Programme die
Anwender
飞ü苍蝉肠丑别苍.
Die langfristige angelegte Strategie ist die Konstruktion eines Sets
von
?ffentlichen Programmen für jede Art von Typ der Anlage und Typ
von
Computer.
Bob Jacobsen
translate dieter
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I want to make all as DIY, again all DCC part for full DCC system.
Do you have any advice?
Is there on www all to reach for DIY?
It depends on how much you want to do yourself. If you want to assemble a command station and booster from parts, you can get an EasyDCC system in either a kit form, or as a bare PC board <> The MERG group is made-up of real do-it-yourself types, including writing their own code for the internal processors, etc. They can help you design something yourself, and have various items available for you to build from parts. <> There's a similar club in Germany, but I don't have a URL for it handy. The "Model Railroading with DCC" webring has some other sites that might be interesting. <> On the layout software end, the idea behind JMRI is to create a library that makes that type of software easier to write. I got distracted by the decoder programming stuff, so that part is much further along at the expense of basic layout automation, but there is a bit available (turnout control, power control, simple display panels, etc). Unfortunately, there's little documentation, but the JmriDemo program lets you play with the tools a little, and I'd be happy to help you get started. Bob -- -------------- Bob Jacobsen (Bob_Jacobsen@..., 510-486-7355, fax 510-495-2957) Am working off a huge email backlog, call if it's urgent.
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Hi- Check out these: Bob Backway's list of sites: Some selected sites: MERG: MERG DCC: Robert Cote: Stefano Curtarolo AuroTrains GNU-DCC projects @ MIT: TMWDCC Hardware: OmniPort, MRR project development board: Linux: LinTrain: LinTrain Home Page: Another good DIY: And another: They are on my model railroad FAQ at --- if you find any more, please add them to that site. Cheers, David Aleksandar Vukalovic wrote: Now, I have one (few) mor question.
I want to make all as DIY, again all DCC part for full DCC system.
Do you have any advice?
Is there on www all to reach for DIY? -- David Harris OmniPort Home Page: Discussion egroup: Swiki:
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Dear Bob,
thanks for very much quolity and smart info.
I do and all and all is OK.
Now, I have one (few) mor question.
I want to make all as DIY, again all DCC part for full DCC system.
Do you have any advice?
Is there on www all to reach for DIY?
Best regards,
Aleksandar
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