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Re: Items needed to set up a programming track
On Sun, Feb 16, 2020 at 02:58 PM, John wrote:
If you will NOT be using ESU decoders, then I would suggest a SPROG. I use one
for non-ESU decoders. ESU decoders need the LokProgrammer for installing the
sound files.
I have both, I swear by my SPROG, if SPROG can't program the decoder, the
decoder is dead as far as I'm concerned.
John
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From: "neafus via Groups.Io" <dogbreath312@...>
Date: February 16, 2020 at 1:19 PM
I hope I¡¯m not posting to a worn out topic but I need some information. ?I am
wanting to set a decoder programming track to program decoders from different
manufacturers. With the jmri software what interface will work for most
decoders or do I need multiple interfaces to cover the most manufacturers. I
need this because I rebuild O and HO trains. I only need a programming track
for installing new decoders or reprogramming, no throttles needed.
The sprog can program ESU decoders it just can't load sound files. That is also true of any sound decoder that allows loadable sound files. -- Peter Ulvestad JMRI Users Group Moderator - ( ) Tam Valley Group Moderator - ( ) Sprog-DCC Group Moderator - ( ) Edmonton Model Railroad Association -
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Re: Items needed to set up a programming track
If you will NOT be using ESU decoders, then I would suggest a SPROG. I use one
for non-ESU decoders. ESU decoders need the LokProgrammer for installing the
sound files.
I have both, I swear by my SPROG, if SPROG can't program the decoder, the
decoder is dead as far as I'm concerned.
John
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From: "neafus via Groups.Io" <dogbreath312@...>
Date: February 16, 2020 at 1:19 PM
I hope I¡¯m not posting to a worn out topic but I need some information. ?I am
wanting to set a decoder programming track to program decoders from different
manufacturers. With the jmri software what interface will work for most
decoders or do I need multiple interfaces to cover the most manufacturers. I
need this because I rebuild O and HO trains. I only need a programming track
for installing new decoders or reprogramming, no throttles needed.
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Re: Problems Using NCE USB Interface Version 7 ?
On Sun, Feb 16, 2020 at 12:00 PM, <ktellis68@...> wrote:
I believe I am experiencing the same problem as well.? I have PowerCab
version 1.65 and just recently purchased the NCE USB Interface.? I am using
Windows 10 and have the latest version of Java installed (1.8).? I have also
installed the latest windows version of the driver as well.? I have been
playing around with the jumpers (all off, all on, and a mixture of on and
off).? Still not having any luck recognizing loco's.? The led's for both the
type b port on CAB bus do light when attempting to send commands.? I have the
correct port set and have tried various Baud rates (9600 and 19600).
I continuously get the following error message:
"Stopping due to error: Timeout talking to Command Station (306)"
I have just a simple goal for using this software ¡ speed match DCC loco's
and setup a consist once the speed match is complete.
Any suggestions or help would be appreciated ¡ especially from anyone that
has gone through this and actually got it to work.? Thanks...
Please follow Dave Heaps help as he is the resident NCE expert and a JMRI developer. Otherwise you may get conflicting advice. -- Peter Ulvestad JMRI Users Group Moderator - ( ) Tam Valley Group Moderator - ( ) Sprog-DCC Group Moderator - ( ) Edmonton Model Railroad Association -
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Re: Items needed to set up a programming track
JMRI supports a lot of different hardware
Most of the common systems will program most decoders.
Do you have a DCC command station at present time? If so there may be an interface for it.
If not I would recommend looking at a Sprog which is a DCC programmer / mini command station which uses JMRI.
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Peter Ulvestad
JMRI Users Group Moderator - ( )
Tam Valley Group Moderator - ( )
Sprog-DCC Group Moderator - ( )
Edmonton Model Railroad Association -
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Re: Problems Using NCE USB Interface Version 7 ?
I believe I am experiencing the same problem as well.? I have PowerCab version 1.65 and just recently purchased the NCE USB Interface.? I am using Windows 10 and have the latest version of Java installed (1.8).? I have also installed the latest windows version of the driver as well.? I have been playing around with the jumpers (all off, all on, and a mixture of on and off).? Still not having any luck recognizing loco's.? The led's for both the type b port on CAB bus do light when attempting to send commands.? I have the correct port set and have tried various Baud rates (9600 and 19600).
Power Cab Instructions ================= The best beginner-level settings for a Power Cab (any version) and an NCE USB (any version) ?are: - All USB Jumpers off (or at least 2, 3 & 4. Jumper 1 is ignored). - JMRI preferences are: -- System manufacturer: NCE -- System connection: ?NCE USB -- Serial port: <whatever is appropriate for your system> -- USB version: V7.x.x -- System: PowerCab -- Additional Connection Settings checkbox ON --- Baud rate: 9600.
The JMRI system console log should then report V6.3.0 or V7.3.0. If you don't get a version number in the log or the system does not work, Use Help->System Console...->Copy to clipboard and paste into a post for us to see.
Also please advise the behaviour of the two LEDs (marked USB and CAB BUS) on the NCE USB (normal behaviour is both to flicker briefly when processing commands, either or both stuck on denotes a problem). Also the behaviour of the LED on the Power Cab Panel (normal behaviour is on, with a brief flicker when JMRI switches it into or out of programming mode).
Dave in Australia
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I hope I¡¯m not posting to a worn out topic but I need some information. ?I am wanting to set a decoder programming track to program decoders from different manufacturers. With the jmri software what interface will work for most decoders or do I need multiple interfaces to cover the most manufacturers. I need this because I rebuild O and HO trains. I only need a programming track for installing new decoders or reprogramming, no throttles needed.
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Re: Associating turnout to another horrible results
That¡¯s a great idea! I had done this before JMRI, don¡¯t know why I forgot it this time! Thanks for this solution! ? Terry Cummins S.E. Michigan ? Sent from for Windows 10 ?
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From: splasherSent: Sunday, February 16, 2020 12:19 PM To: [email protected]Subject: Re: [jmriusers] Associating turnout to another horrible results ? Why not use the same power feed to both turnouts, that way they work in unison?
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Ken, this is a great service you guys provide! To this end I have some other issues with my panel that I need to ferret out before I would do this . But if I can¡¯t I would like to do this in the future. These problems are actually a benefit in disguise in so much as they make me more involved in learning the mechanics of the program. I am old and slow but embolden to learn! ? Terry Cummins S.E. Michigan ? Sent from for Windows 10 ?
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From: Ken CameronSent: Sunday, February 16, 2020 12:35 PM To: [email protected]Subject: Re: [jmriusers] Associating turnout to another horrible results ? Terry, ? A lot of this depends on the hardware being used, if feedback is being used, and how you set it up in the panel. We'd need a number of details and seeing the panel file would be the best way. To do that you would have to upload the file to: ? /g/jmriusers/files/ProblemsBeingWorkedOn ? You would create a folder, with your name or layout name and place the panel file in that folder. Then we can look and see if there are better ways for some of the things you are trying to do and offer better answers. ? -Ken Cameron, Member JMRI Dev Team www.jmri.org www.fingerlakeslivesteamers.org www.cnymod.org www.syracusemodelrr.org ? ? ? ? ? ?
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See, this is what makes this site so great! ?Method 1) Rather than using the association of the two turn out I could have just identified them on the panel with the same number. Method 2) make a hard wire change on the DS64 so that they activate as one physical turnout. I don¡¯t know why I forgot about this as I had done this with my layout before I implemented JMRI. I will see which one of these works best for me. Thanks again for the insights! ? Terry Cummins S.E. Michigan ? Sent from for Windows 10 ?
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From: Cliff AndersonSent: Sunday, February 16, 2020 1:24 PM To: [email protected]Subject: Re: [jmriusers] Associating turnout to another horrible results ? In all likelihood, Terry is wiring his layout as indicated in -splasher's response: Why not use the same power feed to both turnouts, that way they work in unison?
However, since he is asking us, the question posed by Peter is important. If the original posting is asking about a PanelPro Panel problem, as I strongly believe, then there are some strange differences between how the different panel editors work with multiple displays of the same Turnout. The most restrictive is Layout Editor which - only allows a crossover or a double crossover to be assigned to a single turnout address using either the System Name or the User Name.
- once any turnout address is assigned to a layout panel, it no longer appears on the list of available turnouts for any future additional turnout glyph.
- any other usage requires the user to innovate a workaround. A short list of simple examples is:
- access to either end of a passing track,
- two turnouts that are spaced some distance apart but perform the function of a crossover,
- two turnouts within a yard ladder, but one of them also allows access to a switching lead track
As Ken has suggested, a lot of the workaround innovation is highly dependent on the circumstances of the situation. That kind of detail is what we cannot surmise without more information. There should be a list of suggestions somewhere on our web help information, but on short notice, it has slipped under my searching. Having done this to help local layout owners, it is clear to me that I must have found some hints or examples. Double feedback leading to an infinite computing loop is an almost expectable mistake with required workarounds. There is no similar restriction in either the Panel Editor or the Layout Panel Editor. The Switchboard Editor is beyond my understanding. Cliff in Baja SoCal
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Re: Problems Using NCE USB Interface Version 7 ?
Some advice I was given was jumpers 3&4 on baud rate 19200. Start NCE Powercab, start computer, plug in usb and then start panel pro. It did work for me.?
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On 16 Feb 2020, at 19:00, ktellis68@... wrote:
?I believe I am experiencing the same problem as well.? I have PowerCab version 1.65 and just recently purchased the NCE USB Interface.? I am using Windows 10 and have the latest version of Java installed (1.8).? I have also installed the latest windows version of the driver as well.? I have been playing around with the jumpers (all off, all on, and a mixture of on and off).? Still not having any luck recognizing loco's.? The led's for both the type b port on CAB bus do light when attempting to send commands.? I have the correct port set and have tried various Baud rates (9600 and 19600).
I continuously get the following error message:
"Stopping due to error: Timeout talking to Command Station (306)"
I have just a simple goal for using this software ¡ speed match DCC loco's and setup a consist once the speed match is complete.
Any suggestions or help would be appreciated ¡ especially from anyone that has gone through this and actually got it to work.? Thanks...
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Re: Problems Using NCE USB Interface Version 7 ?
I believe I am experiencing the same problem as well.? I have PowerCab version 1.65 and just recently purchased the NCE USB Interface.? I am using Windows 10 and have the latest version of Java installed (1.8).? I have also installed the latest windows version of the driver as well.? I have been playing around with the jumpers (all off, all on, and a mixture of on and off).? Still not having any luck recognizing loco's.? The led's for both the type b port on CAB bus do light when attempting to send commands.? I have the correct port set and have tried various Baud rates (9600 and 19600).
I continuously get the following error message:
"Stopping due to error: Timeout talking to Command Station (306)"
I have just a simple goal for using this software ¡ speed match DCC loco's and setup a consist once the speed match is complete.
Any suggestions or help would be appreciated ¡ especially from anyone that has gone through this and actually got it to work.? Thanks...
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Re: Associating turnout to another horrible results
In all likelihood, Terry is wiring his layout as indicated in -splasher's response:
Why not use the same power feed to both turnouts, that way they work in
unison?
However, since he is asking us, the question posed by Peter is important.
If the original posting is asking about a PanelPro Panel problem, as I strongly believe, then there are some strange differences between how the different panel editors work with multiple displays of the same Turnout.
The most restrictive is Layout Editor which
- only allows a crossover or a double crossover to be assigned to a single turnout address using either the System Name or the User Name.
- once any turnout address is assigned to a layout panel, it no longer appears on the list of available turnouts for any future additional turnout glyph.
- any other usage requires the user to innovate a workaround. A short list of simple examples is:
- access to either end of a passing track,
- two turnouts that are spaced some distance apart but perform the function of a crossover,
- two turnouts within a yard ladder, but one of them also allows access to a switching lead track
As Ken has suggested, a lot of the workaround innovation is highly dependent on the circumstances of the situation. That kind of detail is what we cannot surmise without more information.
There should be a list of suggestions somewhere on our web help information, but on short notice, it has slipped under my searching. Having done this to help local layout owners, it is clear to me that I must have found some hints or examples.
Double feedback leading to an infinite computing loop is an almost expectable mistake with required workarounds.
There is no similar restriction in either the Panel Editor or the Layout Panel Editor. The Switchboard Editor is beyond my understanding.
Cliff in Baja SoCal
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Rodney, I've been helping Mark with CATS. I started a panel in Designer to show him how things work and when we tried to bring it up in CATS we got the error message he referenced in his post. When I was there I could not find the misnamed sensor anywhere to correct. We need help in finding the sensor that is named wrong. Before I left I checked every sensor that was define in Designer and they were all correct. When we had CATS open I tried looking in the tables that were in the JMRI window that opens with CATS is accessed. I could not find it anywhere. When I saw the error message I knew immediately what the problem was, but we cannot find out how to fix it. All help is greatly appreciated. Thanks Clay Smith
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Re: Associating turnout to another horrible results
Terry, A lot of this depends on the hardware being used, if feedback is being used, and how you set it up in the panel. We'd need a number of details and seeing the panel file would be the best way. To do that you would have to upload the file to: /g/jmriusers/files/ProblemsBeingWorkedOnYou would create a folder, with your name or layout name and place the panel file in that folder. Then we can look and see if there are better ways for some of the things you are trying to do and offer better answers. -Ken Cameron, Member JMRI Dev Team www.jmri.org www.fingerlakeslivesteamers.org www.cnymod.org www.syracusemodelrr.org
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Re: Associating turnout to another horrible results
Why not use the same power feed to both turnouts, that way they work in unison?
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Re: Associating turnout to another horrible results
Which panel editor are you using?
How did you link the 2 turnouts together?
Not enough information was given to provide a coherent answer.
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Peter Ulvestad
JMRI Users Group Moderator - ( )
Tam Valley Group Moderator - ( )
Sprog-DCC Group Moderator - ( )
Edmonton Model Railroad Association -
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After solving one issue with my panel I was setting a turnout that when thrown another turnout has to be thrown for the train to be able to continue. When I did this the first time I activated the primary turnout they both ended up endlessly cycling back and forth. One would set then the other and then back again! Finally the JMRI went into a non recoverable error and I had to shut the system down completely. What could be causing this??
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S.E. Michigan
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Re: Moved sim JMRI not working on active layout
Updates to the issues I created with the migration of my new panel to an active layout. After many trials and tribulations I removed all my switches from the panels, logix, and tables. Then I rebuilt all of these and then added the elements back on the layout and panels. I now can set the switches through the panel levers. I still have some gremlins that I need to deal with such as the switches sometimes take for ever to actually set, and some even after setting continue to click long afterwards. But these are things that should be easy to deal with now that the major issue has be resolved. Thanks to all who gave insight and direction as it was all helpful in solving the issue!
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Terry Cummins
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Digitrax PR4 blinking lights?
Hi Guys, looking for your thoughts!? I have a digitrax DCS210, using JMRI 4.18 andhave a digitrax PR4 hooked up and all was working fine.? I shut things down last night, now today my PR4 is rapidly blinking green/red, blue is on constant after booting up the PC.? Jmri will not connect and communicate properly with the system but the PC still sees the PR4 as a digitrax device on com port 3 when plugged in so it seems to read it just fine and the same as it always has.? I can't seem to find any literature that explains the blinking light pattern but maybe I just don't know where to look.? If I'm guessing, it looks like the PR4 has something wrong with it.? Any advice from experience is greatly appreciated.
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Jason,
... and have a look at the Preferences - Defaults pane to ensure that all the 'connection default' radio buttons are assigned to 'Loconet' and not another connection e.g. 'internal'.
Regards
Paul
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