Re: PL tone missing from Data port

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Don,

Thanks for your response.? You have touched on something (1200) that I haven't tried.? My SignaLink is jumpered for 9600 for high speed VARA FM.? I will try 1200, but it may take a while, as the SL is lashed down in my Go kit.

I'll let you know what happens..

Thanks and 73,
Tony

Re: PL tone missing from Data port

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On 12/6/2021 12:16 PM, kf3ak@... wrote:
My conclusion is that the absence of the PL is a design flaw in the IC-7000.I don't know if it was a design flaw or just engineering for digital communication.

The connector that you are using on the back of the radio is typically not used for repeater operation. They may have chosen to insert the audio for digital communications in a different spot of the transmit audio path then the microphone takes. PL tone requires low frequencies to pass thru to the modulator. Icom may have chosen to pick a spot to inject the digital audio in place in the audio path that does not have the same frequency response requirements.

Joe

Re: PL tone missing from Data port

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Ok, I have been staying out of the discussion but ...

I use an echolink connection through my IC-7000 as one of my echolink deployments.

The transmission audio is sent through the 6 pin mini-din.

I am using the 1200 baud audio connections.

My IC-7000 sends the PL tone and properly triggers the repeater and the tone is produced by the IC-7000.

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On Mon, Dec 6, 2021 at 12:16 PM <kf3ak@...> wrote:

Guys,

Thank you for your responses.

The basic question is: Why do the PL tones not appear in the transmitted FM signal along with the modulation created by the SignaLink? ?

We are all agreed that the PL tones are generated in the 7000, not in the Signalink or elsewhere.

No one has shown how the PL can be injected into the transmitted signal without additional hardware.

My conclusion is that the absence of the PL is a design flaw in the IC-7000.? I have observed the expected response from my IC-208 dual band rig, so Icom knows how to do it but overlooked it in the 7000. I'll just have to live with it...bummer.

Thanks again and 73,
Tony KF3AK

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73,

AB1PH

Don Rolph

Re: PL tone missing from Data port

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Guys,

Thank you for your responses.

The basic question is: Why do the PL tones not appear in the transmitted FM signal along with the modulation created by the SignaLink? ?

We are all agreed that the PL tones are generated in the 7000, not in the Signalink or elsewhere.

No one has shown how the PL can be injected into the transmitted signal without additional hardware.

My conclusion is that the absence of the PL is a design flaw in the IC-7000.? I have observed the expected response from my IC-208 dual band rig, so Icom knows how to do it but overlooked it in the 7000. I'll just have to live with it...bummer.

Thanks again and 73,
Tony KF3AK

Re: PL tone missing from Data port

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To Mark K5LXP:

Thanks for your response.? Your approach of connecting to the mic input will work, but means that I would have to build or buy the interface (I sold my Rig Blaster years ago). ?

I have used the 7000/9600/SignaLink combo with excellent results on VARA FM and Winlink, but the combo doesn't work through the repeater without the PL. You have convinced me that the 7000 won't do what I want without additional, significant expense.

73,
Tony KF3AK
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What I said in my first post and other have said, PL IS GENERATED IN THE RADIO…..

No matter what you use to generate audio and key the radio, PL is generated in the last item in your signal chain, the radio.

If you want significant expense, go to Walmart and buy a doorbell button for $5 and key the radio and open the repeater.

Is the SignaLink on the correct pin for HF or VHF ? See page 12 of the 7000 book.

Pin 3 or 7 on ACC or pin 3 of the data socket.

Re: PL tone missing from Data port

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Tony, apparently you’ve been used to using?

HF and simplex FM for point to point traffic, which no PL is required, but when using a FM repeater a PL tone is required for voice or digital traffic.

Now days ,and for a long time, all programmable radio’s have the capability to have the PL programmed into each FM channel. I hope you get your problem solved.

73,

kc5iaj.extra@...

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On Dec 1, 2021, at 09:00, Robert Blackburn via <kc5iaj.extra@...> wrote:

You guys are confused, the audio from your computer doesn’t have anything to do with the PL tone. The PL tone is generated in the radio, the FM channel used for the repeater must be preprogrammed with the PL tone.
Regardless of what device you use, ie
Signalink Rig Blaster all they do is pass the computer audio to the radio and key up the radio.
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On Dec 1, 2021, at 08:26, kf3ak@... wrote:

To Mark K5LXP:

Thanks for your response.? Your approach of connecting to the mic input will work, but means that I would have to build or buy the interface (I sold my Rig Blaster years ago). ?

I have used the 7000/9600/SignaLink combo with excellent results on VARA FM and Winlink, but the combo doesn't work through the repeater without the PL. You have convinced me that the 7000 won't do what I want without additional, significant expense.

73,
Tony KF3AK

Re: PL tone missing from Data port

Robert Blackburn

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You guys are confused, the audio from your computer doesn’t have anything to do with the PL tone. The PL tone is generated in the radio, the FM channel used for the repeater must be preprogrammed with the PL tone.

Regardless of what device you use, ie

Signalink Rig Blaster all they do is pass the computer audio to the radio and key up the radio.

KC5IAJ?

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On Dec 1, 2021, at 08:26, kf3ak@... wrote:

To Mark K5LXP:

Thanks for your response.? Your approach of connecting to the mic input will work, but means that I would have to build or buy the interface (I sold my Rig Blaster years ago). ?

I have used the 7000/9600/SignaLink combo with excellent results on VARA FM and Winlink, but the combo doesn't work through the repeater without the PL. You have convinced me that the 7000 won't do what I want without additional, significant expense.

73,
Tony KF3AK

Re: PL tone missing from Data port

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To Mark K5LXP:

Thanks for your response.? Your approach of connecting to the mic input will work, but means that I would have to build or buy the interface (I sold my Rig Blaster years ago). ?

I have used the 7000/9600/SignaLink combo with excellent results on VARA FM and Winlink, but the combo doesn't work through the repeater without the PL. You have convinced me that the 7000 won't do what I want without additional, significant expense.

73,
Tony KF3AK

Re: PL tone missing from Data port

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o R Norris:

Thanks for your response.? I have not made clear the need for the SignaLink.? When sending a digital message through the 6-pin data port, the modulation audio and PTT are generated in the SignaLink.? Thus, the PL must be included in that transmission to activate the repeater.

The mic path works FB, as it routes the PL tone with voice audio.

73,
Tony KF3AK

Re: PL tone missing from Data port

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Our local emcomm group practices sending digital messages through the local VHF-FM repeater.That means you're not using 9600 baud data, probably AFSK packet or other soundcard data mode.? ?So that translates you're not bound to using a data port.? If you go in through the mic jack you should be able to encode a PL tone.

Mark K5LXP
Albuquerque, NM

Re: PL tone missing from Data port

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PL (generated in the 7000) is sent out with your transmitted signal to open the repeater receiver.

I can’t think of any need to route it through a Signalink.

Computer keys the Signalink that keys the 7000. 7000 sends PL (subduable tone).

Try setting the tone and open the repeater, with just the radio.

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On Nov 29, 2021, at 08:47, kf3ak@... wrote:

Hello all.? I am new to the group and have an issue with my IC-7000.? Specifically, I cannot find a way to route the TX PL tone through the 6-pin mini-DIN Data port in FM mode (I've tried TONE and TSQL with no joy). ?

Why do I care?? Our local emcomm group practices sending digital messages through the local VHF-FM repeater.? The repeater requires a PL tone to retransmit/repeat.? Without the PL tone, I have nothing to offer but dead air.

It has been suggested that I use the 13-pin ACC port instead of the mini-DIN.? I don't have the cable to connect that port to my SignaLink; before I buy the cable, I'd like to know that it will pass the PL tone.? Further, the ACC port presents another issue ("hot mic") that I would like to avoid.

To cut to the chase:
1. Does anyone know how to get the 7000 Data port to pass the TX PL tone in FM mode? ?
2. If the Data port is a no-go, does the ACC port pass the TX PL tone?

TNX,
Tony KF3AK

PL tone missing from Data port

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#41554

Hello all.? I am new to the group and have an issue with my IC-7000.? Specifically, I cannot find a way to route the TX PL tone through the 6-pin mini-DIN Data port in FM mode (I've tried TONE and TSQL with no joy). ?

Why do I care?? Our local emcomm group practices sending digital messages through the local VHF-FM repeater.? The repeater requires a PL tone to retransmit/repeat.? Without the PL tone, I have nothing to offer but dead air.

It has been suggested that I use the 13-pin ACC port instead of the mini-DIN.? I don't have the cable to connect that port to my SignaLink; before I buy the cable, I'd like to know that it will pass the PL tone.? Further, the ACC port presents another issue ("hot mic") that I would like to avoid.

To cut to the chase:
1. Does anyone know how to get the 7000 Data port to pass the TX PL tone in FM mode? ?
2. If the Data port is a no-go, does the ACC port pass the TX PL tone?

TNX,
Tony KF3AK

Re: Display

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I am so thankful for all of the tips and suggestions by this group. Don't have any of these problems yet but there is always a first time.

73es Richard W3RLO

Re: Display

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I have sprayed the associated ribbon cables with contact cleaner and has been running for the last four days and still going so hope this is the last of the problem.
73 Morrie

On 25/11/2021 2:17 pm, J.D. Barron wrote:

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Have you tried the video output to see if that is working?

Re: No power up

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Thanks for the good advice everyone and details will check into this and post my findings.

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From: [email protected] On Behalf Of J.D. Barron
Sent: Thursday, November 25, 2021 10:26 AM
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: [ic7000] No power up

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Sounds like the dreaded Click - Click failure where a cap shorts in the control head and drops the CPU that has to communicate with the digital unit in the main unit.?
Sometimes this is an easy fix and sometimes not.?
First try cleaning the panel connectors (you may be lucky).
There are two regulators in the head that provide the +5 and 3.3 volts for the head processor.
What happens is you get the power up signal to pull in the relay and then the CPU in the main unit has a few seconds to get a serial signal from the head to turn the rest of the radio on. Without this signal from the head the relay drops out.
This is repairable and is sometimes easy and sometimes not.
Often it is a cap in the regulator circuit that has shorted and this does require some troubleshooting and can (as I have learned) relatively easy or (in my one case) impossible).
If you Google IC-7000 click - click you should get a number of hits that will guide you in your endeavors.

Re: Display

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I've had good success when using DeoxIT D5 for cleaning connections.

Jack - W9JH

Re: No power up

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Sounds like the dreaded Click - Click failure where a cap shorts in the control head and drops the CPU that has to communicate with the digital unit in the main unit.?
Sometimes this is an easy fix and sometimes not.?
First try cleaning the panel connectors (you may be lucky).
There are two regulators in the head that provide the +5 and 3.3 volts for the head processor.
What happens is you get the power up signal to pull in the relay and then the CPU in the main unit has a few seconds to get a serial signal from the head to turn the rest of the radio on. Without this signal from the head the relay drops out.
This is repairable and is sometimes easy and sometimes not.
Often it is a cap in the regulator circuit that has shorted and this does require some troubleshooting and can (as I have learned) relatively easy or (in my one case) impossible).
If you Google IC-7000 click - click you should get a number of hits that will guide you in your endeavors.

Re: Display

#41548

I use DeOxit on all connectors whenever I work on a radio or other electronics.?

Widely used in pro recording studios and other locations where connections are critical.

It is a real problem solver and preventer.?

73
W6RH

No power up

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Have a late production 7K and use this mobile in my truck.

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Even when I don’t drive this truck often, I fire up the rig often and run it.

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Now I hear the relay click inside but there is no power up.

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Any ideas?

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W1JCW

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Re: Display

Charles & Sandra Cohen

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I have found that removing the front panel, then using Q-Tips and alcohol to clean the mating contacts on both the panel AND the transceiver chassis will fix this and other similar problems.? The contact surface area is so small that the slightest amount of dust, muck, etc., can cause problems.? I've had my 7K since 2009 (moving it between a house, car, RV, and boat over the years) and have had to do this a few times.

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That was my experience with an IC-706mk2, which uses the same "remote cable" connectors.? Q-Tips and alcohol is the first thing to try.

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