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Re: Printing, just printing PCB layouts

 

At 05:43 PM 2/26/02 +0000, caveteursus wrote:
I was wondering if anyone had a better way of "printing" PCB outlines
for reproduction.

I use Ultiboard as my design, routing program. It allows saving the
document to Adobe through Distiller. When I open the document (in
Acrobat) and magnify it, however, it looks as if the doc has been
saved as a somewhat rough bit-mapped file. If I just print the
diagram to my laserjet, everything looks great.
PrintGL from Cary Ravitz. <>

dwayne


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Printing, just printing PCB layouts

caveteursus
 

I was wondering if anyone had a better way of "printing" PCB outlines
for reproduction.

I use Ultiboard as my design, routing program. It allows saving the
document to Adobe through Distiller. When I open the document (in
Acrobat) and magnify it, however, it looks as if the doc has been
saved as a somewhat rough bit-mapped file. If I just print the
diagram to my laserjet, everything looks great.

For now, I have been fixing up the jaggies in a drawing program.
Time consuming.

Anyone have a better way -- scanning in hi-res produces too big a
file btw.
Re: ultrasonic cleaners

J Mitchell
 

Thanks, checking it out now!

No part numbers on the schematic :o( but its a very simple looking circuit.... will try the 101 group.

jon

----- Original Message -----
From: Steve Greenfield
To: Homebrew_PCBs@...
Sent: Sunday, February 24, 2002 12:58 AM
Subject: Re: [Homebrew_PCBs] ultrasonic cleaners


Some good places to look for links to tutorials:



A good place for links and to ask for help learning
electronics:


The ultrasonic cleaner schematics should have part
numbers for the transistors. I'd suggest going to the
Electronics_101 list, post the schematic to the files
section and ask for help there. I'm on that list also,
there are over 1000 members.

Steve Greenfield

--- J Mitchell <jonster_man@...> wrote:
> Hi,
>
> I have been lurking on this list for ages, as I want
> to learn more about electronics (especially
> interfacing pic chips to the real world), but as of
> yet I am still learning and mostly confused! :o)
>
> Although I can assemble small project PCBs and
> roughly understand how they work, my understanding
> of why "that" resistor is "there" is next to zero.
>
> I have a couple of questions for the group.
>
> 1. are there any good basic electronic foundation
> tutorials on the net? all the ones I find are too
> basic (like what a resistor is)
>
> 2. Anyone here have any experience of ultrasonic
> cleaning baths? I have the schematic for the
> electrical side, with an explanation of many of the
> components, but I have no idea what specific
> components to use, anyone interested in looking at
> the schematic, helping me make one of these and
> furthering my electrical experience and
> understanding?
>
> thanks in advance
>
> Jon
>
> PS: Anyone here ever known someone to buy one of
> the cheap (under $300) fibrescopes? (also known as a
> borescope or endoscope)... I would love one of
> these, but I suspect they are trash.


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Re: ultrasonic cleaners

 

Some good places to look for links to tutorials:



A good place for links and to ask for help learning
electronics:


The ultrasonic cleaner schematics should have part
numbers for the transistors. I'd suggest going to the
Electronics_101 list, post the schematic to the files
section and ask for help there. I'm on that list also,
there are over 1000 members.

Steve Greenfield

--- J Mitchell <jonster_man@...> wrote:
Hi,

I have been lurking on this list for ages, as I want
to learn more about electronics (especially
interfacing pic chips to the real world), but as of
yet I am still learning and mostly confused! :o)

Although I can assemble small project PCBs and
roughly understand how they work, my understanding
of why "that" resistor is "there" is next to zero.

I have a couple of questions for the group.

1. are there any good basic electronic foundation
tutorials on the net? all the ones I find are too
basic (like what a resistor is)

2. Anyone here have any experience of ultrasonic
cleaning baths? I have the schematic for the
electrical side, with an explanation of many of the
components, but I have no idea what specific
components to use, anyone interested in looking at
the schematic, helping me make one of these and
furthering my electrical experience and
understanding?

thanks in advance

Jon

PS: Anyone here ever known someone to buy one of
the cheap (under $300) fibrescopes? (also known as a
borescope or endoscope)... I would love one of
these, but I suspect they are trash.

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ultrasonic cleaners

J Mitchell
 

Hi,

I have been lurking on this list for ages, as I want to learn more about electronics (especially interfacing pic chips to the real world), but as of yet I am still learning and mostly confused! :o)

Although I can assemble small project PCBs and roughly understand how they work, my understanding of why "that" resistor is "there" is next to zero.

I have a couple of questions for the group.

1. are there any good basic electronic foundation tutorials on the net? all the ones I find are too basic (like what a resistor is)

2. Anyone here have any experience of ultrasonic cleaning baths? I have the schematic for the electrical side, with an explanation of many of the components, but I have no idea what specific components to use, anyone interested in looking at the schematic, helping me make one of these and furthering my electrical experience and understanding?

thanks in advance

Jon

PS: Anyone here ever known someone to buy one of the cheap (under $300) fibrescopes? (also known as a borescope or endoscope)... I would love one of these, but I suspect they are trash.
Re: ultrasonic cleaners

[email protected]
 

Jon:

Here are some various electronic links. Perhaps one or more will be of
interest/use to you. I realize Radio Shack is a Yank firm, but I have seen
them there in smaller towns outside London, so perhaps there is one near you.
The ones here, at least, carry "basic" books, and if you can find one with a
helpful/friendly staffer, you might become a PhD in a week!

Regards, and good luck! Jan Rowland, Old Ugly Yank with attitude.

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Re: How I make Pcbs

High Tech
 

This was bounced back so I am posting it here.


Sean
I actually purchased my tank at Circuit Specialists.
Here is the spec sheet on it.

As you can see it uses a standard fish tank heater and pump. The air is
pumped into the side at the top and it travels down the side to small holes
in the bottom its that simple.
You just want gentle agitation of the ferric chloride. Pick up the FeCl at
any radio shack. The heater need to be set till the tank is warm to the
touch. It takes only about 3-5 mins to etch the board. Use gloves and other
safety equipment.
Hope this helps
Derek

-----Original Message-----
From: duzallcnc [mailto:duzallcnc1@...]
Sent: Sunday, February 17, 2002 2:29 AM
To: High Tech
Subject: Re: How I make Pcbs


Hi Derek,
I made a tank like you described with a heater. while I was at the
store buying the heater I wondered about the pump. Is there a
particular arraingement for the output? Can you give detials of your
solder tank and its operation.
Thanks
Sean




- In Homebrew_PCBs@y..., "High Tech" <hightechsystems@a...> wrote:
Hi everyone
I thought I might share how I have been making circuit boards for
years.
I have made 1000's of boards using a method that some do not like
but I have
had excellent results with. First I design the board on my computer
using an
old program that runs in dos but is very easy to use.
I then print this out on my HP970 ink jet and make multiple copies
of the
board.
Then I use the blue sheets from Techniks Inc. using a copier to lay
the
final trace to the blue sheet.
Iron on the copper board using a setting on my iron of 3 yours
might very,
for 1min. till the traces can be seen through the back of the blue
sheet.
Use little pressure let the iron do the work if traces are smearing
or
spreading then the heat is too high or your applying too much
pressure.
You then peel the blue sheet off when it barely warm not yet cold.
If you
have a bad trace such as a cross over this can be corrected very
easily by
using a dental tool to scrape off the connected traces.

After that I just put it in the tank that has a heater and aquarium
pump
3min. and you have a board.
I dip my finished boards in a solder tank to coat the traces never
had a bad
board.
My boards are used on lots of equipment you don't need fancy
lettering or
green coating, my boards are put in a box and never seen. They have
been
working for 7years on equipment so I must be doing it right.
There are other things I do to protect the trace such as electrical
coating
etc.
Hope this helps some out there get started.
Derek B.
High-Tech Systems
Re: Thick PCB

caveteursus
 

If you have to do it yourself, you can laminate two boards with epoxy
resin -- won't be fireproof anymore, however.

--- In Homebrew_PCBs@y..., JanRwl@A... wrote:
In a message dated 20-Feb-02 11:00:13 Central Standard Time,
jim.ubersetzig@l... writes:


How thick can you make a PCB ?

Jim: I haven't "looked ahead" to see if someone with more cerebral
mass has
already more intelligently answered, already, but here's MY
2? "hobby
experience" worth toward this question:

"FR-4", the Fire Retardent green epoxy-glass presently more common
than the
previously-popular G-10 "same thing" comes in 1/64" through 1/8"
thick
versions with NO copper at all, copper only on ONE side, copper on
BOTH
sides, 1/2, 1.0, and 2.0 oz. "weights) (the copper-thickness; I
never learned
how thick an "ounce" is!). The 1/8" is plenty tough! But if you
needed
something as thick as 1/4", to drive Sherman tanks across (that'd
mess up the
nicest solder-masks and PTH!!!), I THINK you would have to do one
of TWO
things: Order some SPECIAL-made, or find who may have already
done so, and
still has some on hand, he's willing to sell, or two, GLUE-UP some,
putting
non-copper-sides together. I have never learned the howzits of
multi-layer
PCB-makin', but in that, layers are heat-laminated in a 'spensive
press, once
the inner-layers of copper are etched. Drilling is last. Whew,
a 'spensive
mess!

Anyway, the PRESS for glueing that up to make thicker (multi-layer)
boards is
not only expensive, but incredibly powerful in terms of PSI on the
laminate,
and I THINK they can also heat the layup. Find a jovial PCB firm
near yoy
and go hassle 'em!

Jan Rowland, old troll


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Re: Thick PCB

[email protected]
 

In a message dated 20-Feb-02 11:00:13 Central Standard Time,
jim.ubersetzig@... writes:


How thick can you make a PCB ?

Jim: I haven't "looked ahead" to see if someone with more cerebral mass has
already more intelligently answered, already, but here's MY 2? "hobby
experience" worth toward this question:

"FR-4", the Fire Retardent green epoxy-glass presently more common than the
previously-popular G-10 "same thing" comes in 1/64" through 1/8" thick
versions with NO copper at all, copper only on ONE side, copper on BOTH
sides, 1/2, 1.0, and 2.0 oz. "weights) (the copper-thickness; I never learned
how thick an "ounce" is!). The 1/8" is plenty tough! But if you needed
something as thick as 1/4", to drive Sherman tanks across (that'd mess up the
nicest solder-masks and PTH!!!), I THINK you would have to do one of TWO
things: Order some SPECIAL-made, or find who may have already done so, and
still has some on hand, he's willing to sell, or two, GLUE-UP some, putting
non-copper-sides together. I have never learned the howzits of multi-layer
PCB-makin', but in that, layers are heat-laminated in a 'spensive press, once
the inner-layers of copper are etched. Drilling is last. Whew, a 'spensive
mess!

Anyway, the PRESS for glueing that up to make thicker (multi-layer) boards is
not only expensive, but incredibly powerful in terms of PSI on the laminate,
and I THINK they can also heat the layup. Find a jovial PCB firm near yoy
and go hassle 'em!

Jan Rowland, old troll


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Re: Thick PCB

 

At 04:58 PM 2/20/02 +0000, juberset wrote:

How thick can you make a PCB ?

I want to use one for mechanical strength as well as
electrical wiring.
We routinely get PCBs made 1/8" thick (by a production house) for that very purpose. Its not cheap - they cost 3 or 4 times the cost of a standard 1/16" board. But the customer wanted it that way and paid for it. So - no problem!

dwayne


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sam_jiangs
 

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juberset
 

How thick can you make a PCB ?

I want to use one for mechanical strength as well as
electrical wiring.

Jim Ubersetzig
Re: EasyTrax DOS drivers for HP LaserJet 1100

Wolfgang Maier
 

As far as I can recall, EasyTrax came with DOS drivers for a HP Laserjet Printer, Epson compatible Printers, and several pen plotters. I'm pretty certain I still have my disks, so if you get stuck, I can probably get you a copy of the drivers.

As the original driver was for a Laserjet 1, I think this should still be suitable as new Laserjets just use a superset of the original PCL driver language.

Regards,

Wolf Maier

At 10:18 PM 18-02-02 -0600, you wrote:
Hello,

Has anyone come across drivers to print form EasyTrax? Or is there a way
to get the file into Windows to print it?

Thanks,
Brian Gracia



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Cheap CAD

Russell Shaw
 

Hi,

Just found some pcb cad that works in linux:
EasyTrax DOS drivers for HP LaserJet 1100

Brian Gracia
 

Hello,

Has anyone come across drivers to print form EasyTrax? Or is there a way to get the file into Windows to print it?

Thanks,
Brian Gracia
OT: Where's the HV webring?

caveteursus
 

seems to be a broken or non-existent link.
Re: Re Plotters

 

And that link is in fact already on the links pages.

Please check out the Bookmarks pages on the group
page. I went to some trouble to set it up so all can
use it.

And guess what I found in my misc. pen drawer? A
Steadler 313!

Steve

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--- In Homebrew_PCBs@y..., "marble_h"
<marble_h@y...> wrote:
I want to get a plotter what would be the right
one I now have a
calcomp 1034 and it can not be used for this type
of work . What
would be the best one to get.Thank you group I
have seen a lot up
for
bid on E-bay

Take a look this link

maybe can help you to get the right one.

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Re: Re Plotters

 

--- In Homebrew_PCBs@y..., "marble_h" <marble_h@y...> wrote:
I want to get a plotter what would be the right one I now have a
calcomp 1034 and it can not be used for this type of work . What
would be the best one to get.Thank you group I have seen a lot up
for
bid on E-bay

Take a look this link

maybe can help you to get the right one.
Re: Ads banned or allowed?

Hans
 

Thank goodness someone figured out what I really intended... yes it is a
warning. I am not the only person that feels like this about Easy-PC. I
really don't care if I sell it or not !
I truly tried giving these people every opportunity to fix the well
documented bugs and even spent another $75 on the Version 5 upgrade,
only to find to a large extend the bugs are still there.

According to another eGroup a Company called West Dev purchased
NumberOne (Easy-PC) and are now selling a different program, it is
called Pulsonix...... the Schematic drawing portion of the program is
free, but the PCB layout portion costs several 1000 dollars... !
If you know Easy-PC and download the Pulsonix you will notice they are
very similar.

The point I'm trying to make is exactly as Harry saw it... its a
warning.

OK, I know I should not have purchased it. But 20/20 hind sight works
well for most people.

I gave them 15 months to fix the problems and have documented each and
every email, and phone call to these people, they simply do not make the
effort to fix bugs. They chose not to do so, and that's why they
ended up on my other web site

COS (Change Of Subject)
As it happens this crusade of mine has a positive side, I found
HomeBrew_PCB ....
I have been making my own PCB's for the last 35 years, from the early
days of painting copper clad boards by hand, to today when I make 8 mil
traces as an everyday affair. Examples of my home made PCB's are
scattered all over my web site. I silver plate my
boards, I expect you all know how to do that.

So I look forward to asking a few questions, mostly about how to do
through hole plating at home, other than conductive ink and electro
copper plating in sulfuric acid baths, does anyone have a good simpler
solution..

If I offended anyone, I'm sorry, and I apologize.

Best Regards
Hans W




"Harry W. Lewis" wrote:

I didn't take that message as an ad but as a warning. Someone
seriously
trying to sell something usually doesn't start out with calling the
product
"trash".

CAD programs are expensive in both money and in time to learn and
really
evaluate them. An early heads up can save a lot of both.

Commercials of the type "My product is wonderful - buy it from me now"

probably should be banned. As I said earlier, I didn't take that
particular
email as a commercial.

Harry


----Original Message Follows----
From: Steve Greenfield <alienrelics@...>
Reply-To: Homebrew_PCBs@...
To: Homebrew_PCBs@...
Subject: [Homebrew_PCBs] Ads banned or allowed?
Date: Thu, 7 Feb 2002 08:10:08 -0800 (PST)

Although it is nice to get an honest opinion of
EasyPC, I don't want this to turn into a group for
ads.

What does everyone think? Ban ads? Ads allowed only on
one day a month, like some other lists? Free-for-all?

A quote from the auction: "I'm hoping I'm not the only
idiot in the world for buying this trash! I don't
know, may be you think Easy-PC is the best thing since
sliced bread, in which case you now have the
opportunity to waste your money and help me recover
some of my loss. The Easy-PC program sucks. ! I want
rid of it."

Steve

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wrote:



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Re: Ads banned or allowed?

 

I didn't take that message as an ad but as a warning. Someone seriously trying to sell something usually doesn't start out with calling the product "trash".

CAD programs are expensive in both money and in time to learn and really evaluate them. An early heads up can save a lot of both.

Commercials of the type "My product is wonderful - buy it from me now" probably should be banned. As I said earlier, I didn't take that particular email as a commercial.

Harry


----Original Message Follows----
From: Steve Greenfield <alienrelics@...>
Reply-To: Homebrew_PCBs@...
To: Homebrew_PCBs@...
Subject: [Homebrew_PCBs] Ads banned or allowed?
Date: Thu, 7 Feb 2002 08:10:08 -0800 (PST)

Although it is nice to get an honest opinion of
EasyPC, I don't want this to turn into a group for
ads.

What does everyone think? Ban ads? Ads allowed only on
one day a month, like some other lists? Free-for-all?

A quote from the auction: "I'm hoping I'm not the only
idiot in the world for buying this trash! I don't
know, may be you think Easy-PC is the best thing since
sliced bread, in which case you now have the
opportunity to waste your money and help me recover
some of my loss. The Easy-PC program sucks. ! I want
rid of it."

Steve

--- electronic_workshop <hans@...>
wrote:



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Polymorph Digital Photography // and photomorphing to your specs.
253/318-2473 voice // We use the best little computer in
polymorph@... // the world, the Amiga!
// Based in Tacoma, WA, USA

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