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Re: Microscopes for SMD soldering etc

 

I called AmScope and talked to teck/customer service and ended up getting this one:


Ordered a LED light ring too...
I am happy. :)


Re: Duplicate messages?

 

I have been getting some but worst of all is that I stop receiving replies forwarded to my email address at home. Then I log on to the newsgroup and see that people are actually answering my questions/replies. Anybody else getting this and if so, how to fix or who to notify to check into it?
Thanks,
Dave


Re: This PCB Microscope looks good, I think.

 

I ordered this one and a LED ring. They also make a 0.25 lens if I ever need it.



Thanks,
Dave


Re: This PCB Microscope looks good, I think.

 

I ended up calling the support people at AmScope and told them what I needed /wanted and ended up buying this one:



I also ordered the LED light ring.
I think I will be happy with the purchase.
Thanks


Re: Microscopes for SMD soldering etc .....5 DIOPTER reading glasses

stefan_trethan
 

I actually have a trial lens?set, so I went and made up some 5 dipoter reading glasses just to see how it would be.
You are right that this could work in a pinch, like pulling out a bee sting or a soldering a quick repair, but I wouldn't want to use them for any length of time.?

It's too bad I don't actually understand optics, but I feel there is a limit as to how well you can do with a single lens.
Also the distance from the eye to the lens is too short in glasses to get really decent magnification.
(Actually I think the magnification effect in glasses might just be an unwanted artefact, because you can't put the lens close enough to the eye, unless you wear contacts.)
Sure it does look bigger, but maybe twice or three times, and my face has to be _right_ up against the object to still see sharp.

By the way for cheap glasses (reading or prescription) I can recommend
It's so great to have dirt cheap (but surprisingly good quality) glasses I can now wear for any work without?fear of damaging them.
You can use this link and get $5 off:
(I will also get $5 off my next purchase), or just search with google, they usually always have some sort of discount code active.

ST

On Fri, Nov 1, 2019 at 4:54 PM Rob via Groups.Io <roomberg=[email protected]> wrote:
On this topic of binocular microscopes.......

I learned a wee bit about high power reading glasses.

The ones they sell over the counter have lenses that are defined as 1 or
1.25 or 1.5 or 1.75 or 2 or 2.25 etc all the way up to 3.5 diopters.

So.... I asked

what the heck is a diopter?

and

I found that I could mail order up to 7 diopter full size lens reading
glasses from READERS.com and a dozen other online glasses stores.


SO

next ...learn this:

EACH DIOPTER SIZE will make things look bigger to you

and

EACH DIOPTER SIZE will have a closer focal distance from your eyeballs
to your hand.... think about reading a book...

with 1.5 diopter reading glasses where at arms length the letters on the
page are clear...not blurry... but tiny

and

2.5 diopter glasses makes everything look bigger ...but the focal length
os more like the distance to a computer screen on a desk

and 3.5 would be bigger and clear if you huddled over that computer
screen.... OR A SOLDERING IRON

and then

here is where it gets fun.....??? 4 diopter is closer and so big that
you CAN solder SMD parts

?? and 5 diopter is bigger...but starts pushing the limit of how close
you want to put your eyeballs to a soldering iron flux splatter....

so

I use 5 more for inspection than soldering.

and

I also have 6 and 7 diopter glasses.... which make short work of
removing a bee sting......

and I use all of them for different bench tasks ....much much more than
I use my binocular microsope.


There are

$25?? Headband Magnifier Headset - Magnifying Visor with 4 Real Glass
Optical Lens Plates (1.5X, 2X, 2.5X, 3.5X)

that? are cumbersome and I never liked them


so perhaps some 5 diopter reading glasses will work for you guys.







Re: Duplicate messages?

Stuart Schaffert
 

No.? I wonder if you somehow got two accounts.

On 11/1/2019 8:56 AM, Donald H Locker wrote:
I seem to get duplicate messages (same timestamp; identical content) both in body and headers.

Anyone else experiencing this?

Donald.
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This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software.


Duplicate messages?

 

I seem to get duplicate messages (same timestamp; identical content) both in body and headers.

Anyone else experiencing this?

Donald.
--
*Plain Text* email -- it's an accessibility issue
() no proprietary attachments; no html mail
/\ <>


Re: Microscopes for SMD soldering etc .....5 DIOPTER reading glasses

 

On this topic of binocular microscopes.......

I learned a wee bit about high power reading glasses.

The ones they sell over the counter have lenses that are defined as 1 or 1.25 or 1.5 or 1.75 or 2 or 2.25 etc all the way up to 3.5 diopters.

So.... I asked

what the heck is a diopter?

and

I found that I could mail order up to 7 diopter full size lens reading glasses from READERS.com and a dozen other online glasses stores.


SO

next ...learn this:

EACH DIOPTER SIZE will make things look bigger to you

and

EACH DIOPTER SIZE will have a closer focal distance from your eyeballs to your hand.... think about reading a book...

with 1.5 diopter reading glasses where at arms length the letters on the page are clear...not blurry... but tiny

and

2.5 diopter glasses makes everything look bigger ...but the focal length os more like the distance to a computer screen on a desk

and 3.5 would be bigger and clear if you huddled over that computer screen.... OR A SOLDERING IRON

and then

here is where it gets fun.....??? 4 diopter is closer and so big that you CAN solder SMD parts

? and 5 diopter is bigger...but starts pushing the limit of how close you want to put your eyeballs to a soldering iron flux splatter....

so

I use 5 more for inspection than soldering.

and

I also have 6 and 7 diopter glasses.... which make short work of removing a bee sting......

and I use all of them for different bench tasks ....much much more than I use my binocular microsope.


There are

$25?? Headband Magnifier Headset - Magnifying Visor with 4 Real Glass Optical Lens Plates (1.5X, 2X, 2.5X, 3.5X)

that? are cumbersome and I never liked them


so perhaps some 5 diopter reading glasses will work for you guys.


Re: Microscopes for SMD soldering etc

 

A good 'scope will be equipped with one adjustable ocular. Even if both eyes are different (but not too much; I think +/-2), you should be able to focus with one eye, then adjust the other eyepiece until both are good. As long as you are the only one using the microscope, the adjustment never (for a few years, anyway) need be changed.

Donald.
--
*Plain Text* email -- it's an accessibility issue
() no proprietary attachments; no html mail
/\ <>

On 2019-11-01 11:08 a.m., stefan_trethan wrote:
With both eyes the same you don't really need to wear the reading glasses, since you can probably just adjust the focus of the microscope.
You may still want to though, if you need the glasses for other stuff and don't want to take them off all the time. They make special glasses compatible eyepieces for that (higher focal plane, usually have a glasses symbol or H etched into them).
Even if one eye needs a different prescription most microscopes allow you to dial in a spherical correction.
I have never seen an eyepiece with cylinder correction, but would very much expect they exist as a specialty item.
A good quality stereo microscope can offer the same or better vision as the mantis.
It's just more comfortable and efficient to use.
ST
On Fri, Nov 1, 2019 at 2:32 PM Dave <theschemer@... <mailto:theschemer@...>> wrote:
Hi Stefan,
? That Mantis looks great but way out of my price range. My eyes
are fairly functional but I am far-sighted and use reading glasses.
Both eyes are the same so figure 20-20 but far-sighted. By the way,
can you wear reading glasses when using a microscope or does the
scope take away that problem and you just dial it in? I did enough
research not to want a digital microscope for various reasons.
Thanks,
Dave
On 10/31/2019 11:13 PM, stefan_trethan wrote:
I use a Mantis Elite at work every day for soldering.
It resolves exactly what you mentioned, that the view disappears,
because it has very wide field eyepiece area (you look into a
single "screen").
Of course it costs real money, but I wouldn't want to miss it.

You definitely want an optical stereo microscope, at least if both
of your eyes are still somewhat functional.
A 2D digital image does not compare for soldering.

ST

On Fri, Nov 1, 2019 at 1:24 AM Dave <theschemer@...
<mailto:theschemer@...>> wrote:

Anybody using a microscope made for soldering? I finally
realized I need
to be able to see better, and I will pay for the needed fix. I
don't
think I want a USB style that has the little monitor/display
but rather
something like these:



Anyone use one? The only con I see often complained about is
if you
don't hold your head just right, the view disappears, kind of
like with
a rifle scope on high power.

Thanks


Re: This PCB Microscope looks good, I think.

stefan_trethan
 

Sounds perfect, but even with the .5 Barlow lens you may still sometimes want less.
I usually solder with x4 and then flip to x8 for inspection as needed.

But you can always get another lens or eyepieces later, the question you need to answer _now_ is if you want zoom.
None of my microscopes have that - but I'm hearing mostly good things, and one of these days I think I'm going to pick up a nice used Zeiss or Leica MZ to play with.

ST


On Fri, Nov 1, 2019 at 3:59 PM Dave <theschemer@...> wrote:
I am studying this one:



I can get the LED Light:



And a 0.5 Barlow lens:




For about $375 total. And I can add a USB camera later if I want. Any
reason not to buy this setup?

Thanks,

Dave






Re: This PCB Microscope looks good, I think.

 

Dave,

This model has the little lever next to the left eyepiece. When using the camera, you'll need to flip the lever to the camera losing viewing with your left eye. Also you'll need a .5 Barlow lens, 2x that comes with it will be too much magnification.

73! Mark KA6WKE

Website:
YouTube Live!:
Author: 4NEC2 The Definitive Guide


On Fri, Nov 1, 2019 at 7:59 AM Dave <theschemer@...> wrote:
I am studying this one:



I can get the LED Light:



And a 0.5 Barlow lens:




For about $375 total. And I can add a USB camera later if I want. Any
reason not to buy this setup?

Thanks,

Dave






Re: Microscopes for SMD soldering etc

stefan_trethan
 

With both eyes the same you don't really need to wear the reading glasses, since you can probably just adjust the focus of the microscope.
You may still want to though, if you need the glasses for other stuff and don't want to take them off all the time. They make special glasses compatible eyepieces for that (higher focal plane, usually have a glasses symbol or H etched into them).
Even if one eye needs a different prescription most microscopes allow you to dial in a spherical correction.
I have never seen an eyepiece with cylinder correction, but would very much expect they exist as a specialty item.?

A good quality stereo microscope can offer the same or better vision as the mantis.?
It's just more comfortable and efficient to use.?

ST

On Fri, Nov 1, 2019 at 2:32 PM Dave <theschemer@...> wrote:

Hi Stefan,

? That Mantis looks great but way out of my price range. My eyes are fairly functional but I am far-sighted and use reading glasses. Both eyes are the same so figure 20-20 but far-sighted. By the way, can you wear reading glasses when using a microscope or does the scope take away that problem and you just dial it in? I did enough research not to want a digital microscope for various reasons.

Thanks,
Dave

On 10/31/2019 11:13 PM, stefan_trethan wrote:
I use a Mantis Elite at work every day for soldering.
It resolves exactly what you mentioned, that the view disappears, because it has very wide field eyepiece area (you look into a single "screen").
Of course it costs real money, but I wouldn't want to miss it.

You definitely want an optical stereo microscope, at least if both of your eyes are still somewhat functional.
A 2D digital image does not compare for soldering.

ST

On Fri, Nov 1, 2019 at 1:24 AM Dave <theschemer@...> wrote:
Anybody using a microscope made for soldering? I finally realized I need
to be able to see better, and I will pay for the needed fix. I don't
think I want a USB style that has the little monitor/display but rather
something like these:



Anyone use one? The only con I see often complained about is if you
don't hold your head just right, the view disappears, kind of like with
a rifle scope on high power.

Thanks





Re: Microscopes for SMD soldering etc

 

I've got several scenarios that I use.? One is that I need to have a field of view big enough to handle a 20x20 144 pin TQFP. That's needed to center and sit on pins.

Secondly, I need as much of a closeup as possible needed for each individual (or group of 5) pins.? Intermediate settings do individual parts.

You do want the closeup if at all possible to look for shorts (don't ask).

Ring lights are very very good, and I'd recommend them.? Mine's fiber optics and I use an auxiliary side light.? I'll have to get an LED replacement when the bulb goes or find another bulb (may be easy).? Using it on the lowest setting gives me the proverbial immortal light bulb (a good thing).

Mine are american optical made, quite used.? A boom stand is an excellent idea if you can find one.

That, and the metcal tips (oddly enough, the finest tip is not all that useful), do well.

I'm busy putting together PC boards and writing (rewriting) low level graphics drivers at the moment.

Harvey

On 11/1/2019 9:17 AM, Dave wrote:
Hi Harvey, how's it going? I have done a crash course yesterday and learned from my early findings that I need distance to work with plenty of access. And that a 0.5 objective lens for a wider view is a good thing to have. I will be searching for a while but not too long. I don't want to have to buy this thing twice after making the wrong decision first.

Thanks,

Dave

On 10/31/2019 8:28 PM, Harvey White wrote:
I do.? An old american optical, 5 different powers, boom stand. Old fashioned fiber optics light (bulb set on low).

Make sure that if you buy one used, that it's not made for chip examination, and that the working distance between the work and the lens is fairly large.? Chip microscopes have almost no working distance.

You'll want a good fan as well.

As for the "hold your head just right, mine doesn't seem to have that problem.

Harvey




This PCB Microscope looks good, I think.

 

I am studying this one:



I can get the LED Light:



And a 0.5 Barlow lens:




For about $375 total. And I can add a USB camera later if I want. Any reason not to buy this setup?

Thanks,

Dave


Re: Microscopes for SMD soldering etc

w9ran
 

I bought the same scope several years ago and am totally addicted to it.?? With the scope I can do any SMT work I need to do, without it was endless frustration.? I find myself using it whenever I need to take a close look at something tiny, and intend to add the video camera option.

You'll develop your own style but having real optics in my opinion greatly facilitates the learning process as the mapping between eye and hand is direct.?? You'll probably need to rig up a suitable work stand to position the board in the field of view. I made one out of scrap wood with a shallow lip around the perimeter that helps to keep parts from flying too far (sometimes) and which is easy to rotate to get the angle I prefer for hand soldering.

I also have one of the $40 video scopes with a built-in LCD monitor and I could get by with it if I had to, but I much prefer real optics.

73, Bob W9RAN


Re: Microscopes for SMD soldering etc

 

Dave,

You are correct, the view with the camera isn't exactly what you'll see through the eye pieces. The problem is that sliding barrel that's used to attach the camera to the body. I've purchased one of these to fix that problem: . There are plenty of times during a video where I'm working away on a board that's fine in scope view but it's out of the scene with the camera.

If you're going the route of using a camera, be sure to get a scope that's Simulview or something like that. Some of the lower end scopes with a camera are listed as trinocular but what they have is a lever that flips the image from an eyepiece to the camera leaving you with just one eye to view what you're working on.

73! Mark KA6WKE

Video Blog:
Author: 4NEC2 The Definitive Guide


On Fri, Nov 1, 2019 at 6:13 AM Dave <theschemer@...> wrote:
Thanks for the info. I checked out your website and looked at the view.
Don't know if I need the camera but I guess it wouldn't hurt to have
that option. I read that the camera's vie isn't in the same place as the
binoculars view. Is that true?

Dave

On 10/31/2019 7:45 PM, Mark Schoonover wrote:
> I have the trinocular version of this scope. I needed the camera for
> creating YouTube videos. See website.
>
> You are correct on viewing angle you need to see exactly through the
> center of the eye piece. Also the little fluorescent light isn't
> bright enough under higher mag so splurge for the led version. The
> other issue you'll have is solder fumes if you're working on a board.
> Get a good fume extractor too. You can see the quality of the view in
> some of my videos to give you an idea what you'll see.
>
> 73! Mark KA6WKE
>




Re: Microscopes for SMD soldering etc

 

Hi Rob,

? My PD is 62 as I measured once to get some reading glasses online, so I could use the lenses in an Occulus Rift. I checked out these scopes and they get good reviews. It gives me something to think about. I just know I read that a 0.5 objective lens really makes a big difference on how much (FOV) you can see. And some manufacturers may or may not offer that lens as an option. If I replied twice it is because I didn't see a returned message and I have been replying to all that commented.

Thanks,

Dave

On 10/31/2019 9:47 PM, Rob via Groups.Io wrote:
Do an EBAY search for Binocular Stereo Microscope

and you will be surprised by the number of solutions you CAN afford.

I have bought them in the past for children and have found that many of the dirt cheap binocular microscopes... $35 .....

have no problem at all being the right magnification and distance for SMD free hand soldering.

The ONLY? "gotcha" I found was that some binocular microscopes have a child sized PUPILLARY DISTANCE (PD) .....? the distance between

your two pupals and no way to adjust that distance.

So shop carefully to learn that distance.


I've been using this one for many years...... they sell now for $87




20X Binocular Stereo Microscope
SKU: SE204-A


and I suspect this is just as good for $53



AMSCOPE 20X Portable Sharp Binocular Stereo Microscope LED PCB Repair Dissecting


There are huge price differences for these microscopes and I don't know about you guys but

so far I have not been disappointed by any of the cheap binocular microscopes.


Re: Microscopes for SMD soldering etc

 

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Hi Leon,

?? I looked at those too but they seem more expensive that the electronics scopes. I couldn't get their site to come up either.

Thanks,

Dave

On 11/1/2019 5:10 AM, Leon via Groups.Io wrote:

I use a dissecting microscope from Lakeland Microscopes. Their seems to be something wrong with their website.

Get



Re: Microscopes for SMD soldering etc

 

Hi Les,

? I thought your name was familiar. You are the SheetCam guy. :) I looked at this particular scope initially when I started my research but after more research it seems a 0.5 objective lens would be much better. Is one available for it? Also, thanks for the links and the one to the LED light too.

Dave

On 11/1/2019 4:36 AM, Les Newell wrote:
I use one of these <>

The built in light is a bit rubbish so you'll need a ring light as well <>

The base is not really heavy enough so it is best to clamp it down but otherwise it works reasonably well. Forget the included 20x lenses - they are too powerful for PCB work. You do need to hold your head just right but that goes for pretty much any optical microscope. You get used to it and having binocular vision makes such a difference.

Les


Re: Microscopes for SMD soldering etc

 

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Hi Stefan,

? That Mantis looks great but way out of my price range. My eyes are fairly functional but I am far-sighted and use reading glasses. Both eyes are the same so figure 20-20 but far-sighted. By the way, can you wear reading glasses when using a microscope or does the scope take away that problem and you just dial it in? I did enough research not to want a digital microscope for various reasons.

Thanks,
Dave

On 10/31/2019 11:13 PM, stefan_trethan wrote:

I use a Mantis Elite at work every day for soldering.
It resolves exactly what you mentioned, that the view disappears, because it has very wide field eyepiece area (you look into a single "screen").
Of course it costs real money, but I wouldn't want to miss it.

You definitely want an optical stereo microscope, at least if both of your eyes are still somewhat functional.
A 2D digital image does not compare for soldering.

ST

On Fri, Nov 1, 2019 at 1:24 AM Dave <theschemer@...> wrote:
Anybody using a microscope made for soldering? I finally realized I need
to be able to see better, and I will pay for the needed fix. I don't
think I want a USB style that has the little monitor/display but rather
something like these:



Anyone use one? The only con I see often complained about is if you
don't hold your head just right, the view disappears, kind of like with
a rifle scope on high power.

Thanks