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Re: [hammond_zone] question
Jeff,
The Hockey m,usic we refer to would be something bery similar to this. A very, very brassy sounding organ with great depth of the vibrato and tremolo. Don't know how old you are, but think back to the days of General Hospital. Lets say through the sixties. The background music was a Hammond in the studios. It';s sound was very brassy and had a severe depth in vibrato as well as tremolo. The depth of these modulations was so great at one time it would'nt even sound like an A minor chord. Just pulsating white noise. But when the soap got to a romantic part, no distortion and a simple full organ sound that seemed to rise in volume as the soap neared the end. At the very end , the chord would be held and the organist would quickly lower the volume on the expression pedal and then once more at the cresendo bring it quickly back up to full volume , almost to distortion, and at the same time with the left hand , bring the 4', 2', 1', 1/2 drawbars all the way out. Such, I always thought they were trying to imitate a theatre organ on a Hammond. Lets not forget the game show background music about that time frame as well. Let's make a deal show included that brassy sound, with a player with some darn fast footwork on the bass pedals. Ok, someone help me out on this one. Who were those keyboardists? Dang good job, I thought. Jimmy |
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Re: [hammond_zone] Re: Tone Geneator Theory of Operation.
Laddie Williams
Here we go again!!!
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From: Gandert De Boo To: hammond_zone@... Sent: Monday, March 04, 2002 2:34 PM Subject: Re: [hammond_zone] Re: Tone Geneator Theory of Operation. Hi zoners, Maybe my imagination is to little, but how does this 'dingle arm' look? Where can I find it? My L100 is from 1969/1970. Does it have one at all? And what's to be done with it? I knbow a lot of questions, but I'm still learnig, you know. Gandert ----- Original Message ----- From: dug5037 To: hammond_zone@... Sent: Friday, March 01, 2002 5:17 PM Subject: [hammond_zone] Re: Tone Geneator Theory of Operation. --- In hammond_zone@y..., "Raul de Jalapeno" <raul_de_jalapeno@h...> wrote: > Doug: > A special tool is required to remove the dingle arm. This is because it's buried under the lower udatulator plate. This tool, which was Hammon part # B2-02T564, consisted of a stratifed pentagrid plate modulator that would maintain the algebraic relationship of the generator coil flux to the magnetic field set up by the nofer trunnions. With this relationship maintained, the dingle arm can be withdrawn through the fennel orifice with out fear of excessive skor motion. Good News--I found the dingle arm under the plate just as you said and I bent it slightly while playing a C AUG chord on the upper manual with all the drawbars out--I could hear the growl increase as I bent it--I stopped at exactly 15 degrees 30 minutes as measured with a laser refractor doo-hickey otoscope. This is the optimum setting for just enough growl and mininum distortion. Be aware that bending to far will raise the emitter levels of the two torsional bias transistors to a dangerous level and could result in a complete meltdown. As with any modification--"your results will vary" Doug T582 with a bent dingle that now sounds like a B3 Ain't this fun? BTW I got a piezo tweeter with dual drivers in one rectangle horn housing that I am going to wire into my Homemade Leslie to bring out the key click and sharpen up the percussion--I will not stop until my ears start to bleed! Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ADVERTISEMENT Visit The Hammond Zone To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: hammond_zone-unsubscribe@... Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ADVERTISEMENT Visit The Hammond Zone To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: hammond_zone-unsubscribe@... Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. |
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Re: [hammond_zone] a-100/47 hookup
Laddie Williams
Jeff,
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Get some rest.. that is a big job. Laddie ----- Original Message -----
From: jlc7184@... To: hammond_zone@... Sent: Monday, March 04, 2002 11:40 PM Subject: [hammond_zone] a-100/47 hookup Well we got the a-100 hooked up to the 47 turned it on and got NO smoke.BUT,i do have a few other problems.First when i put the switch to main instead of getting the console speakers i get hum.When i put switch to ensemble i get signal to the leslie and the console,but the console has very little volume, the 47 has alot.The when i put switch to echo i get no signal to console and signal to leslie.Also i have somehow got reverb to the leslie,which what i was trying to avoid.As far as the speed switching that is working fine. OH one thing i did notice.I turned over the 47 amp to check the plug wiring and noticed (2) 1000vdc somethings that were cracked(split lengthwise down the seam)should i be concerned.To me it don't look good but i don't really know what i'm lookin at.Any help would be GREATLY appreciated.. I have a huge headache and alittle more than tired,think i'll call it a night. JEFF Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ADVERTISEMENT Visit The Hammond Zone To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: hammond_zone-unsubscribe@... Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. |
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Re: [hammond_zone] Re: Looke here: Bob
Laddie Williams
I think so too. The "name your price...I think used to be a joke, because he wanted it more than anybody.
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Now, that he is going to move and has capital needs, it is seen as a cash flow producer. What he really wants is a conscensus on the max dollar possible.. like where should he set the reserve??? Laddie ----- Original Message -----
From: jlc7184@... To: hammond_zone@... Sent: Monday, March 04, 2002 4:28 PM Subject: Re: [hammond_zone] Re: Looke here: Bob No,are you kidding.How rare would that be if this is true.I'd say name your price.Some high dollart collector would snap it up.Certainly not me though.But i'd like to look at it just to say "I saw brand new 1973 B3". This is a pretty amazing find. !!!!!!!!! jeff Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ADVERTISEMENT Visit The Hammond Zone To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: hammond_zone-unsubscribe@... Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. |
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Re: [hammond_zone] Re: Tone Geneator Theory of Operation.
Ron Bell
Hi Gandert,
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Did you read the article?(the link is posted below) Your imagination can not be as big as the authors ;). As for he dingl-arm, I have yet to run into one inside a Hammond, but have met quite a few connected to a Les Paul. Ronnie ----- Original Message -----
From: "Gandert De Boo" < Hi zoners,Where can I find it? My L100 is from 1969/1970. Does it have one at all? And what's to be done with it? I knbow a lot of questions, but I'm still learnig, you know. |
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Re: [hammond_zone] question
daz
Yes, Klaus USED to do this... he died a while ago. Brilliant organist, but
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not a very nice man. I watched him on many occasions ignore children who wanted his autograph, saying to a friend of mine "I am not at work, I have finished my concert... I now go to my hotel, please leave and bother someone else" So I shouted after him, "when do you plan to perform a LIVE concert Klaus? Instead of playing over multitracking and cheating the public. This society has just paid ???2000 to listen to a CD" He returned a mouth full of abuse which I cannot write here because it would look like this **!"???$%%^&*&* I think you get the massage... As the Swedish prime minister once said!! LOL! The Wersi organ had quite a good electronic tremolo, called Wersi voice... very effective. I was offered a Wersi Galaxy last week for ???100... left it alone cause they can be big trouble, if you think the RT's and Model E's are big... they are bugger all to a Galaxy. Daz -----Original Message-----
From: Ron Bell [mailto:worthogis@...] Sent: 04 March 2002 08:36 To: hammond_zone@... Subject: Re: [hammond_zone] question I am far from an orginist(jazz and rock organ players are not organists right ;) but when I feel like playing a little "Hockey Music" on my X-77 the extra drawbars add quite a bit to the over all sound. "Cheesy" organ music is not my thing but I hear Klaus Wunderlich uses the extra drawbars when he rips it up!! Cheers, Ronnie. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Chris Clifton" Decoration? I've never seen anyone actually use it! Same for the extra Visit The Hammond Zone To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: hammond_zone-unsubscribe@... Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to |
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Re: [hammond_zone] question
daz
The reason that the very early M's only had 12 pedals is because Hammond
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decided that they needed a smaller home organ for sale to the general public. So the engineers were asked to produce a spinet model with ONE octave of pedals and 44 note offset manuals... the engineers, not being musicians decided in their infinite wisdom to only give EXACTLY one octave... 12 notes C-B! Hence the birth of the rather strange bass unit! Some people find it impossible to play them and keep stamping on the floor. The reason that the 16' and 5 1/3' are not added to the lower manuals of the spinets is because you would theoretically only have a very small useable part of the manual while they were being registrated. Single notes would sound OK, but chords would sound terrible... try it, play some chords in the lowest octave of the upper manual with the 16' and 5 1/3' mixed in. That will show you the result, AARRGGHH!! Muddy as the depths of hell! Also it did save them money I suppose! They would be of no value unless playing bass lines, but then they would fold back anyway, so what would be the point. I remember someone asking a while ago about the X5 registration on the demo track (on a website).. it is the Tibias preset - Leslie fast/slow to suit, no vibrato, foot to the floor, screaming away, ears bleeding! End of story time. Daz -----Original Message-----
From: Ron Bell [mailto:worthogis@...] Sent: 04 March 2002 07:47 To: hammond_zone@... Subject: Re: [hammond_zone] question The M, M-2 and M-3 were the first spinets made, why they had 12 pedals I don't know but they added the high C to all the later spinets.. These organs had the start run swiches under the console and 12 pedals, but they had eight lower drawbars, one pedal drawbar and nine upper drawbars. The only tonewheel spinets with the start run switches I have ever heard of(and I am almost certain that I know of them all) are M, M-2 ,M-3 and the M-100 series (the M-100's have the swiches in the normal spot).You have found an odd organ indeed, if you have a chance to see it again double check the number of drawbars and look at the name plate on the back. Did the organ look like this one? Cheers, Ronnie. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Carlo Pietroniro" < Thanks Bill! By the way, why only 12 pedals? Why not add the C like allother spinets? Also, what's that other drawbar? What's the pitch? Is it a mixture, or the 8/9 harmonic?
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Re: [hammond_zone] T500 Noisy amp
Chris Clifton
GG,
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If the noise gets louder with the expression pedal it's definitely not the power transistors. Do any other controls affect the noise? Volume soft, Brilliance, Vibrato, Rhythm Volume? A common cause of noise on the T-500 is the edge connector on the auto-acc. board. The one on top of the generator shelf at your right as you look in the back, see if moving the connector slightly makes any difference. Chris Clifton There is a theory which states that if anyone discovers exactly what the Universe is for and why it is here, it will instantly disappear and be replaced by something even more bizarre and inexplicable. Douglas Adams ----- Original Message -----
From: "ggowing" <ggowing@...> To: <hammond_zone@...> Sent: Monday, March 04, 2002 10:25 PM Subject: [hammond_zone] T500 Noisy amp Hi --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (). Version: 6.0.330 / Virus Database: 184 - Release Date: 28/02/02 |
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Re: [hammond_zone] leslie 251
Jeff,
Yes, it is a two speed very similar to a 122 but is a two channel and has fixed speakers along with the two speed motors for upper and lower...Eddie From: jlc7184@... _________________________________________________________________ MSN Photos is the easiest way to share and print your photos: |
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Re: [hammond_zone] Re: Looke here: Bob
Laddie Williams
Truthfully, I don't know.
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He has had the B3 in a box for some time and is an aftermarket Hammond/Organ dealer in Orlando, Florida. He has used it to promote his business, but is moving his business. He will probably put it on e-bay, but to sell it for the best realistic price to his advantage. He asked me what I thought it was worth in the market and I told him I was not sure, but that I would ask around. He is a business man who has a good reputation, but runs his business every day.. I am retired, so I have time to ask (stupid) questions and collect answers. I also own two Hammonds and might even buy a third if my wife doesn't put her foot down. I just am interested in what fellow Hammond owners and lovers think the "right person" would pay for a brand new tone-wheel B3S? ----- Original Message -----
From: jlc7184@... To: hammond_zone@... Sent: Monday, March 04, 2002 4:29 PM Subject: Re: [hammond_zone] Re: Looke here: Bob Laddie, Where was this found.In a warehouse ???? Visit The Hammond Zone To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: hammond_zone-unsubscribe@... Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. |
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Re: [hammond_zone] T500 Noisy amp
Richard B. Ahlvin
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From: "ggowing" <ggowing@...> To: <hammond_zone@...> Sent: Monday, March 04, 2002 4:25 PM Subject: [hammond_zone] T500 Noisy amp HiIt won't be the power transistors...they are after the expression control in the signal chain. You will need a schematic. Use some small amp as a signal tracer (or and oscilloscope) and locate the amplifier stage causing the noise. You will find a noisy transistor (likely) or a noisy resistor (less likely.) But they will be in the preamplifiers before the expression pedal. If you don't know how to trace through an amplifier circuit, it's a job for a service technician. R. Ahlvin |
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Re: [hammond_zone] T500 Noisy amp
Randall Bush
Welcome aboard, GG!
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refinishing
Julian St Martin
Hello guys,
As some of you know I had an awful accident with my B3 some time ago. It got burned by a flaming drink! I did however do the repairs myself and it turned out pretty good. My question now is.........I have recently purchased a CV and will be adding the Trek 2 perc to it. Is this perc all it is cut out to be? I am working on getting a cheap mans version of the C3. Can I instal the perc myself? (little electronics experience) One other point......this new CV I am getting has quite a few little dings in the finish. I would like to refinish the whole unit but am curious if this will seriously harm the resale value. Is original finish with nics worth more than a nicely done aftermarket finish...btw I would try and keep the finish as close to original as possible. Thanks, Julian |
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