Re: [hammond_zone] B4-Reverb-Hammonds future
"Weak at best". Ok, but Bob, I suppose you listen to the your XB-2 through a
good speaker? What speaker did you listen to the B4 through?
And the B4 has no integral reverb so you have to add that somehow. I've got
a Midiman soundcard that I put it through but that doesn't give real time
reverb. I then put it through a couple of Mackie HR824 studio speakers, but
they crack up at a reasonable volume, but up to that the sound is good, but
to get reverb I put the B4 throught a Peavey KB60 speaker with spring
reverb. That sort of does the job.
I mean listen to Jimmy Smith's Organ Grinder Swing, that's got lots of
reverb on it. I suppose it was put on 'post production'? Or do you think it
was created real? So Jimmy could hear it when he played?
I wonder whether there is way to get real time reverb through SoundBlaster
Live. I mean so you can hear it when you play.
Ron.
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----- Original Message ----- From: <zakemo@...> To: <hammond_zone@...> Sent: Tuesday, June 05, 2001 5:03 AM Subject: Re: [hammond_zone] Hammonds future I think the B4 sounds weak at best! I had a Farfisa that had more balls. I
don't mean to be a purist but lets get real. The closest thing I've heard is the XB-2 (which I use for small gigs) and even that can readily be identified as a clone. If anyone takes exception to my opinion, sound off, I can take
it. But lastly, a hammond clone is better than no hammond at all. Bob, an old hippie fart.
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Re: [hammond_zone] Hammonds future
I think the B4 sounds weak at best! I had a Farfisa that had more balls. I
don't mean to be a purist but lets get real. The closest thing I've heard is
the XB-2 (which I use for small gigs) and even that can readily be identified
as a clone. If anyone takes exception to my opinion, sound off, I can take
it. But lastly, a hammond clone is better than no hammond at all. Bob, an
old hippie fart.
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Re: [hammond_zone] Hammonds future
Lars Karstensen - Infinity Trading ApS
I have one myself, and I have been doing service on this model ever since I started. What do you want to know?
Best regards
Lars
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Til: hammond_zone@... <hammond_zone@...>
Dato: 5. juni 2001 13:59
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I've been checking out an M-3. Does anyone have any
experience with this unit?
--- zakemo@... wrote:
I think the B4 sounds weak at best! I had a Farfisa
that had more balls. I
don't mean to be a purist but lets get real. The
closest thing I've heard is
the XB-2 (which I use for small gigs) and even that
can readily be identified
as a clone. If anyone takes exception to my opinion,
sound off, I can take
it. But lastly, a hammond clone is better than no
hammond at all. Bob, an
old hippie fart.
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I've got it bad....this hammond thing. Thanks for
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Re: [hammond_zone] Hammonds future
Lars Karstensen - Infinity Trading ApS
The funny thing about the XB-2 is that despite it is somewhat older than the new XB-1 and XK-2, it does sound a lot better. You do not have all the edit-possibilities, and you even have some stupid ways of programming, but analyzing the sound it is actually better.
The XB-1 and big brother XK-2, does have a lot of usefull and nice features, but the sound is different. Some like it better than the XB-2. Again a matter of taste.
If you put the keyboards through a leslie the result does become a lot better.
And there you are, for me the XK-2 on a Leslie 147 was an amazing experience.
As a back-saving Hammond these keyboard organs does it very well. Also the double manual version - XB-5 - or just the top of the XB-3, has had great success through leslie. I have seen several XB-3's top only in flight design, that really did an amazing job.
I also do recall that Mr. McGriff played the XB3 on a 722 solid state leslie at a festival, and everybody talked about the good sound from the old Hammond and tupe-leslie. They where very surpriced when they learned that the this was the new digital stuff and solid state leslie.
I believe that it is very much a matter of hooking up a good combination and do the job on the registrations etc.
Best regards
Lars
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I think the B4 sounds weak at best! I had a Farfisa that had more balls. I
don't mean to be a purist but lets get real. The closest thing I've heard is
the XB-2 (which I use for small gigs) and even that can readily be identified
as a clone. If anyone takes exception to my opinion, sound off, I can take
it. But lastly, a hammond clone is better than no hammond at all. Bob, an
old hippie fart.
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--- In hammond_zone@y..., coyote-1@r... wrote: I happen to prefer the look and feel of the console to the
spindle-legged organs. My A-100 fits the bill, and with effort I can move up & down my basement stairs by myself - without destroying the walls! I cannot imagine ANYONE managing this with a B3 or C3. And yeah the A-100 sounds great. I have an A-100 myself. It's fairly easy to move for one person on Roll-Or-Carries, but I cannot imagine moving it up and down basement steps alone! How do you do it? The worst problem I have is getting the organ into my mini-van from ground level. The person inside the van must hunch over and can only use their arms for leverage. I looked at getting my A-100 chopped. It would make it much easier to carry and load in/out of the van. $7500US was a bit too steep for me. But if the day ever comes that Korg makes a two-manual version of the CX3 I would probably not resist someone offering me enough money for the A100/Pro3T/Leslie I currently have. To me the CX3 is damn close to the real thing soundwise, and I'd love to not have to rent a van &
break my back to move the thing. PEAC Have to agree with you about the CX-3. They are getting much closer to making the perfect Hammond clone, but I need a two manual organ with a 25 pedal manual. How do you like the Pro3T compared to a tube and/or solid stae Leslies? -Brian
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I'm totally aware of what's an A-100 and what's an
original model A. Surely some people are not, but I am though I've never played
anyone of them. You're such a lucky man to own an A, Lars. Anyway, I agree with
you the model A is thiner than the B-3. But as I already said, though?the
cabinets are different, their shape kind of look alike.
Anyway, I'd like to control the rate of distorsion
of the sound, without playing loudly. It would be a sort of a john Medeski's
sound, does anyone know how to do it?
Thanks in advance,
?
Marc.
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Re: [hammond_zone] Hammond Model A is different to Hammond A-100s
Lars Karstensen - Infinity Trading ApS
Dear Jimmy,
?
What is the serie no. of the A you got. And is it 117V powered
or 234? I assume the cabinet you got is the A-20?
?
best regards
Lars
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Hey Hammond lovers!
??? Yes the " A " is a different beast and very
dear to
my heart as not only it is the prototype Hammond
tonewheel
available to consumers, it it also my first
organ and the one I learned
to play on. I bought it
out of a showroom window in 1971 for $1089.00
every penny of which I earned at Pizza Hut as a
14 year-old boy at
$1.45 per hour. Man, did I ever
WANT this Hammond! ....and I still have
it. The
cabinet is much slimmer ( kinda' cute, actually ) but
that's
largely because it has only tremulant and not
the lush split-vibrato (
line box ) that we console
players have come to love over the years. The
different
degrees of? C1 - , C-2, and C-3 vibrato are subtle but
I use them all in every performance as well as
occasionally V-1 too.
( the V's are a little too warbly
for me for contemporary music. )
??? Hey guys, we're not at war on this B-3 thing and yes
the A-100 series consoles are fine Hammonds. I just
like the look of
the B for stage. For recording, any of
the consoles are fine and I love
the old BC...ever play
one of those thru two Leslies? It will curdle
your milk!!
?????????????????????
Peace, Love & all things Hammond,
???????????????????????????????????????
Jimmy
Guillermo Garcia Huidobro wrote:
Dear Lars,?Again you are right.The model A, first designed by Hammond is more
gracious than the last B3Perhaps some people when they say A, they mean the A-100, which
is like the C3Different
things !!!Lenny Dee had a
white Hammond Model A with an incredible Hi Fi Sound, since the fifties
!!!?You can visit my
Web Sites:???
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Thursday, May 31, 2001
3:26 AM
Subject: Sv: [hammond_zone]
further explainations ?Well Marc,?I understand
your feelings, but you are wrong on some of the details regarding
the simularities of the various model, though I get your
point.?Looking on the
model A, well you are right that the B-3 is a copy-cat of that
original design. Though it is more plump than the original A.
Actually the difference in size is substantial as the A is slimmer
and far more elegante than the B-3.?Best regardsLars?-----Oprindelig
meddelelse-----
Fra: Marc Saint-Félix <marc.saint-felix@...>
Til: Hammond Zone <hammond_zone@...>
Dato: 31. maj 2001
16:57
Emne:
[hammond_zone] further explainations
?In my opinion the name
"B-3" gathers every Hammond organ with the same kind of
tonewheel generator like A, B, C, RT series. I am a fanatic of those
and am proud of it. But when I wanna talk about them, I have to
admit I use the word B-3 as a kind of a shortcut, and I think a lot
of people do the same. I even know artists who use C-3's or A-100's
in studio and write "Hammond B-3" on the booklet of their
CD's. Maybe It's a kind of a label which involves a type of
tonewheel generator. Keeping in mind that the RT-3 is a little
different, we all know the inside of all those organs are exactly
the same : the keyboard, motor, and generator of a unit were all
built independently from the model. Then each unit was assigned to a
wood cabinet. Once again, I have to admit my favorite cabinet is the
B-3 : the thin legs, the curves, the body... just a matter of taste.
By the way, take a look at the very first Hammond organ ever built,
the model A number 1 and the B-3 cabinet kind of look alike, don't
they?...Please don't
say a love affair is absurd, the B-3 is the most famous organ ever,
the longest production of the Hammond factory, there must certainly
be a good reason. I live in a small appartment, no tons of money, an
old car, but I don't care at all, the world could crumble, I thank
God every day for giving me a Hammond and a Leslie. I thank Him
twice it's a B-3 and a 122.Best regards,?Marc.
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3:26 AM
Subject: Sv: [hammond_zone]
further explainations ?Well Marc,?I understand
your feelings, but you are wrong on some of the details regarding
the simularities of the various model, though I get your
point.?Looking on the
model A, well you are right that the B-3 is a copy-cat of that
original design. Though it is more plump than the original A.
Actually the difference in size is substantial as the A is slimmer
and far more elegante than the B-3.?Best regardsLars?-----Oprindelig
meddelelse-----
Fra: Marc Saint-Félix <marc.saint-felix@...>
Til: Hammond Zone <hammond_zone@...>
Dato: 31. maj 2001
16:57
Emne:
[hammond_zone] further explainations
?In my opinion the name
"B-3" gathers every Hammond organ with the same kind of
tonewheel generator like A, B, C, RT series. I am a fanatic of those
and am proud of it. But when I wanna talk about them, I have to
admit I use the word B-3 as a kind of a shortcut, and I think a lot
of people do the same. I even know artists who use C-3's or A-100's
in studio and write "Hammond B-3" on the booklet of their
CD's. Maybe It's a kind of a label which involves a type of
tonewheel generator. Keeping in mind that the RT-3 is a little
different, we all know the inside of all those organs are exactly
the same : the keyboard, motor, and generator of a unit were all
built independently from the model. Then each unit was assigned to a
wood cabinet. Once again, I have to admit my favorite cabinet is the
B-3 : the thin legs, the curves, the body... just a matter of taste.
By the way, take a look at the very first Hammond organ ever built,
the model A number 1 and the B-3 cabinet kind of look alike, don't
they?...Please don't
say a love affair is absurd, the B-3 is the most famous organ ever,
the longest production of the Hammond factory, there must certainly
be a good reason. I live in a small appartment, no tons of money, an
old car, but I don't care at all, the world could crumble, I thank
God every day for giving me a Hammond and a Leslie. I thank Him
twice it's a B-3 and a 122.Best regards,?Marc.
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Re: [hammond_zone] Hammond Model A is different to Hammond A-100s
Hey Hammond lovers!
??? Yes the " A " is a different beast and very dear
to
my heart as not only it is the prototype Hammond
tonewheel available to consumers, it it also my first
organ and the one I learned to play on. I bought it
out of a showroom window in 1971 for $1089.00
every penny of which I earned at Pizza Hut as a
14 year-old boy at $1.45 per hour. Man, did I ever
WANT this Hammond! ....and I still have it. The
cabinet is much slimmer ( kinda' cute, actually ) but
that's largely because it has only tremulant and not
the lush split-vibrato ( line box ) that we console
players have come to love over the years. The different
degrees of? C1 - , C-2, and C-3 vibrato are subtle but
I use them all in every performance as well as
occasionally V-1 too. ( the V's are a little too warbly
for me for contemporary music. )
??? Hey guys, we're not at war on this B-3 thing and
yes
the A-100 series consoles are fine Hammonds. I just
like the look of the B for stage. For recording, any of
the consoles are fine and I love the old BC...ever play
one of those thru two Leslies? It will curdle your milk!!
?????????????????????
Peace, Love & all things Hammond,
???????????????????????????????????????
Jimmy
Guillermo Garcia Huidobro wrote:
Dear
Lars,?Again you are
right.The model A, first
designed by Hammond is more gracious than the last B3Perhaps
some people when they say A, they mean the A-100, which is like the C3Different
things !!!Lenny Dee had
a white Hammond Model A with an incredible Hi Fi Sound, since the fifties
!!!?You can visit my
Web Sites:???
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Thursday, May 31, 2001 3:26
AM
Subject: Sv: [hammond_zone] further
explainations
?Well Marc,?I
understand your feelings, but you are wrong on some of the details regarding
the simularities of the various model, though I get your point.?Looking
on the model A, well you are right that the B-3 is a copy-cat of that original
design. Though it is more plump than the original A. Actually the difference
in size is substantial as the A is slimmer and far more elegante than the
B-3.?Best regardsLars?-----Oprindelig
meddelelse-----
Fra: Marc Saint-Félix
<marc.saint-felix@...>
Til: Hammond Zone <hammond_zone@...>
Dato: 31. maj 2001 16:57
Emne: [hammond_zone] further
explainations
?In my opinion the name "B-3"
gathers every Hammond organ with the same kind of tonewheel generator like
A, B, C, RT series. I am a fanatic of those and am proud of it. But when
I wanna talk about them, I have to admit I use the word B-3 as a kind of
a shortcut, and I think a lot of people do the same. I even know artists
who use C-3's or A-100's in studio and write "Hammond B-3" on the booklet
of their CD's. Maybe It's a kind of a label which involves a type of tonewheel
generator. Keeping in mind that the RT-3 is a little different, we all
know the inside of all those organs are exactly the same : the keyboard,
motor, and generator of a unit were all built independently from the model.
Then each unit was assigned to a wood cabinet. Once again, I have to admit
my favorite cabinet is the B-3 : the thin legs, the curves, the body...
just a matter of taste. By the way, take a look at the very first Hammond
organ ever built, the model A number 1 and the B-3 cabinet kind of look
alike, don't they?...Please
don't say a love affair is absurd, the B-3 is the most famous organ ever,
the longest production of the Hammond factory, there must certainly be
a good reason. I live in a small appartment, no tons of money, an old car,
but I don't care at all, the world could crumble, I thank God every day
for giving me a Hammond and a Leslie. I thank Him twice it's a B-3 and
a 122.Best regards,?Marc.
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----- Original Message -----
Sent: Thursday, May 31, 2001 3:26
AM
Subject: Sv: [hammond_zone] further
explainations
?Well Marc,?I
understand your feelings, but you are wrong on some of the details regarding
the simularities of the various model, though I get your point.?Looking
on the model A, well you are right that the B-3 is a copy-cat of that original
design. Though it is more plump than the original A. Actually the difference
in size is substantial as the A is slimmer and far more elegante than the
B-3.?Best regardsLars?-----Oprindelig
meddelelse-----
Fra: Marc Saint-Félix
<marc.saint-felix@...>
Til: Hammond Zone <hammond_zone@...>
Dato: 31. maj 2001 16:57
Emne: [hammond_zone] further
explainations
?In my opinion the name "B-3"
gathers every Hammond organ with the same kind of tonewheel generator like
A, B, C, RT series. I am a fanatic of those and am proud of it. But when
I wanna talk about them, I have to admit I use the word B-3 as a kind of
a shortcut, and I think a lot of people do the same. I even know artists
who use C-3's or A-100's in studio and write "Hammond B-3" on the booklet
of their CD's. Maybe It's a kind of a label which involves a type of tonewheel
generator. Keeping in mind that the RT-3 is a little different, we all
know the inside of all those organs are exactly the same : the keyboard,
motor, and generator of a unit were all built independently from the model.
Then each unit was assigned to a wood cabinet. Once again, I have to admit
my favorite cabinet is the B-3 : the thin legs, the curves, the body...
just a matter of taste. By the way, take a look at the very first Hammond
organ ever built, the model A number 1 and the B-3 cabinet kind of look
alike, don't they?...Please
don't say a love affair is absurd, the B-3 is the most famous organ ever,
the longest production of the Hammond factory, there must certainly be
a good reason. I live in a small appartment, no tons of money, an old car,
but I don't care at all, the world could crumble, I thank God every day
for giving me a Hammond and a Leslie. I thank Him twice it's a B-3 and
a 122.Best regards,?Marc.
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Re: [hammond_zone] Hammonds future
?
Hello,
?
?
I just downloaded the Demo Version of The Native
Instruments B4... I think when recorded, even the biggest Hammond addict won't
tell you the difference from a real B3. This?program?is very
realistic... I played a real B3two times in my life and a A 100 about 5
times... So i don't know about the feeling, but I think I would feel better
behind the big console instread of the MIDI keyboard...
My opinion: nice work of the programmers: I love
the sound, it's the best clone I?ever played. You can change a lot of
parameters in realtime (which?cannot be done on the XK2 or the
VK7)...
?
Regards,? Wim?
?
?
?
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Sent: Tuesday, May 29, 2001 8:43 PM
Subject: Re: [hammond_zone] Hammonds
future
Have you tried the Native Instrument's B4? I'd be
interested to know what
Hammond owners think of it. I think it's extremely
good.
Ron.
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> Dear Lars,
> I don`t think Hammond will ever
die.? Its sound fits in
> too many places for it to ever be
replaced.? I`m a
> newbie to keyboards but I can tell a clone from
the real
> thing even when I can`t tell you what chord is being
>
played. I don`t think me and my XK2 are gonna be
> together for
long.? Its something about sitting behind
> that big hunk of wood
and playing Gods music that makes
> me and angels cheer.? Somebody
else said in another
> post, Having a Hammond is a love affair.?
I`m gonna have
> me a real B3 soon and a house to go with it.? My
XK2
> will be gathering dust!? Casey
>
>
>
P.S.? I`m also an electronic technician.? I`m gonna
> start
repairing Hammonds, too.
>
>
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I happen to prefer the look and feel of the console to the spindle-legged organs. My A-100 fits the bill, and with effort I can move up & down my basement stairs by myself - without destroying the walls! I cannot imagine ANYONE managing this with a B3 or C3. And yeah the A-100 sounds great. But if the day ever comes that Korg makes a two-manual version of the CX3 I would probably not resist someone offering me enough money for the A100/Pro3T/Leslie I currently have. To me the CX3 is damn close to the real thing soundwise, and I'd love to not have to rent a van & break my back to move the thing. PEACE --- In hammond_zone@y..., "Lars Karstensen - Infinity Trading ApS" <Hammond@h...> wrote: Dear Guillermo,
I believe you are right too, that people take the A as being the A-100. Though A-100 is not the same cabinet as the C-3, except for the A-105 which comes close in cabinet design, becourse of the locking top. A-100 again is slimmer than the B-3 as they - the factory - managed to squezze the electronics together tight in a more home-friendly cabinet, even with additional amps and speakers! Talking about the sound, the A-100 gives you - due to the output amp - a fare fatter and warmer sound than the B-3. You can kind of say that the A-100 is the final result, as it finishes the job done on the B-3. If you ever try the combination of A-100 two tupe leslies and two Hammond tonecabinets, you will be surpriced.
Best regards
Lars
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Is that a pedal bass boat, or a left-hand bass boat? :)
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Re: [hammond_zone] Re: Native Instruments B4
Well, Brad, I've managed to reduce the latency in my B4 system to an
indistinguishable level by putting the Buffer slider at 544 samples.
But I have a P ll 550 computer with 128 RAM. Is your's less powerful?
What do you think of the sound? Compared with the real Thing?
The graphics are fun don't you think?
I've tried for many years to get a good Hammond sound out of my Korg M1 but
never been satisfied, in spite of all sorts of layering with sines, Digitech
Effects and whatnot, and I've played all the clones I've been able to find,
but the B4 does it for me. I still want to know what the owners of the real
Thing think of it.
Ron.
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----- Original Message ----- From: "Fetter, Brad" <brad.fetter@...> To: <hammond_zone@...> Sent: Wednesday, May 30, 2001 3:55 PM Subject: [hammond_zone] Re: NativeInstruments B4 I have worked with it, but had trouble with Delay or latency when using it, how about yourself?
Brad
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From: Ron Newman [mailto:ron.newman2@...]
Sent: Tuesday, May 29, 2001 11:43 AM
To: hammond_zone@...
Subject: Re: [hammond_zone] Hammonds future
Have you tried the Native Instrument's B4? I'd be interested to know what
Hammond owners think of it. I think it's extremely good.
Ron.
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From: <kcbass1@...>
To: <hammond_zone@...>
Sent: Monday, May 28, 2001 11:32 PM
Subject: Re: [hammond_zone] Hammonds future
Dear Lars,
I don`t think Hammond will ever die. Its sound fits in
too many places for it to ever be replaced. I`m a
newbie to keyboards but I can tell a clone from the real
thing even when I can`t tell you what chord is being
played. I don`t think me and my XK2 are gonna be
together for long. Its something about sitting behind
that big hunk of wood and playing Gods music that makes
me and angels cheer. Somebody else said in another
post, Having a Hammond is a love affair. I`m gonna have
me a real B3 soon and a house to go with it. My XK2
will be gathering dust! Casey
P.S. I`m also an electronic technician. I`m gonna
start repairing Hammonds, too.
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Re: [hammond_zone] To all concerned, I`m sorry
Lars,
Your right it is a 412. Thanks for your insight!!!!!!!!
best regards,
Charles
Lars Karstensen - Infinity Trading ApS wrote:
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Super B with 410 (412?) is a nice set-up. Very powerfull leslie and fundamentally a good organ sound. Even looks nice in this B-3 deco style.
I played one some years ago, all high polished black even the Leslie. Very nice. And as a practise instrument it is just great, and I agree with you 100%. The B-3 fever is most likely not to find a normal level, but that is OK, it will leave so many more of the other models for the non-inflicted.
Don???t get me wrong - I have a B-3 myself - but it is not put at higher rang than my model A, which I still believe is the only real Hammond, as this was the very first one Mr. Hammond ever made!!! It is kind of an Adam for the organs.
Best regards
lars
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Til: hammond_zone@... <hammond_zone@...>
Dato: 31. maj 2001 23:12
Emne: Re: [hammond_zone] To all concerned, I`m sorry
I'm primarily a pianist and just bought a Hammond Super B and a leslie 410.
I'm very aware of the love that many hammond players feel for the
B3/leslie122 combination. But some people (like myself) only want to
practice on a similar setup or situation to the B3/122. So you really can't
rule all this other gear out because it's not as heavy, it's more versatile,
and not nearly as expensive. If your a collector or just have to have the
original sound........great more power to you!!!!!! But if you just want to
play without spending an arm and a leg these other options are very
attractive.
regards,
Dr. Charles P.
kcbass1@... wrote:
I`m sorry that my fanatical attitude towards Hammond
organs has helped inflate the prices. I`m struggling
right now just to own an XK2. I have to sell my bass
boat in order to own this thing. None of these things
have happened yet.
My love of Hammonds is based on my belief in God. I
haven`t seen or heard anything that brings harmony to
the spirit of Christ like the sound of an Hammond
organ. I`ve attended churches that had real pipe
organs, complete bands, etc. Nothing produced
that "Love of God" feeling like that 'B3" screaming off
like they do.
My love of God will not decrease if all Hammonds
disappeared tomorrow. But I cannot deny its effect on
God`s people. In the right hands, its effect can
overshadow the preacher. I know this is not what God
intended, only 1 chapter in the Bible is devoted to
song. But God I thank you for letting the "B3" exist.--
Jesus is my KIng.
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Hammond Model A is different to Hammond A-100s
Guillermo Garcia Huidobro
Dear Lars,
?
Again you are right.
The model A, first designed by Hammond is more
gracious than the last B3
Perhaps some people when they say A, they mean the
A-100, which is like the C3
Different things !!!
Lenny Dee had a white Hammond Model A with an
incredible Hi Fi Sound, since the fifties !!!
?
You can visit my Web Sites:
?
?
?
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Sent: Thursday, May 31, 2001 3:26
AM
Subject: Sv: [hammond_zone] further
explainations
Well Marc,
?
I understand your feelings, but you are wrong on some of the
details regarding the simularities of the various model, though I get your
point.
?
Looking on the model A, well you are right
that the B-3 is a copy-cat of that original design. Though it is more plump
than the original A. Actually the difference in size is substantial as the A
is slimmer and far more elegante than the B-3.
?
Best regards
Lars
?
In my opinion the name "B-3" gathers every
Hammond organ with the same kind of tonewheel generator like A, B, C, RT
series. I am a fanatic of those and am proud of it. But when I wanna talk
about them, I have to admit I use the word B-3 as a kind of a shortcut, and I
think a lot of people do the same. I even know artists who use C-3's or
A-100's in studio and write "Hammond B-3" on the booklet of their CD's. Maybe
It's a kind of a label which involves a type of tonewheel generator. Keeping
in mind that the RT-3 is a little different, we all know the inside of all
those organs are exactly the same : the keyboard, motor, and generator of a
unit were all built independently from the model. Then each unit was assigned
to a wood cabinet. Once again, I have to admit my favorite cabinet is the B-3
: the thin legs, the curves, the body... just a matter of taste. By the way,
take a look at the very first Hammond organ ever built, the model A number 1
and the B-3 cabinet kind of look alike, don't they?...
Please don't say a love affair is absurd, the B-3
is the most famous organ ever, the longest production of the Hammond factory,
there must certainly be a good reason. I live in a small appartment, no tons
of money, an old car, but I don't care?at all, the world could crumble, I
thank God every day for?giving me a Hammond and a Leslie. I thank Him
twice it's a B-3 and a 122.
Best regards,
?
Marc.
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----- Original Message -----
Sent: Thursday, May 31, 2001 3:26
AM
Subject: Sv: [hammond_zone] further
explainations
Well Marc,
?
I understand your feelings, but you are wrong on some of the
details regarding the simularities of the various model, though I get your
point.
?
Looking on the model A, well you are right
that the B-3 is a copy-cat of that original design. Though it is more plump
than the original A. Actually the difference in size is substantial as the A
is slimmer and far more elegante than the B-3.
?
Best regards
Lars
?
In my opinion the name "B-3" gathers every
Hammond organ with the same kind of tonewheel generator like A, B, C, RT
series. I am a fanatic of those and am proud of it. But when I wanna talk
about them, I have to admit I use the word B-3 as a kind of a shortcut, and I
think a lot of people do the same. I even know artists who use C-3's or
A-100's in studio and write "Hammond B-3" on the booklet of their CD's. Maybe
It's a kind of a label which involves a type of tonewheel generator. Keeping
in mind that the RT-3 is a little different, we all know the inside of all
those organs are exactly the same : the keyboard, motor, and generator of a
unit were all built independently from the model. Then each unit was assigned
to a wood cabinet. Once again, I have to admit my favorite cabinet is the B-3
: the thin legs, the curves, the body... just a matter of taste. By the way,
take a look at the very first Hammond organ ever built, the model A number 1
and the B-3 cabinet kind of look alike, don't they?...
Please don't say a love affair is absurd, the B-3
is the most famous organ ever, the longest production of the Hammond factory,
there must certainly be a good reason. I live in a small appartment, no tons
of money, an old car, but I don't care?at all, the world could crumble, I
thank God every day for?giving me a Hammond and a Leslie. I thank Him
twice it's a B-3 and a 122.
Best regards,
?
Marc.
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Guillermo Garcia Huidobro
Dear Lars,
?
Again you are right.
The model A, first designed by Hammond is more
gracious than the last B3
Perhaps some people when they say A, they mean the
A-100, which is like the C3
Different things !!!
Lenny Dee had a white Hammond Model A with an
incredible Hi Fi Sound, since the fifties !!!
?
You can visit my Web Sites:
?
?
?
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----- Original Message -----
Sent: Thursday, May 31, 2001 3:26
AM
Subject: Sv: [hammond_zone] further
explainations
Well Marc,
?
I understand your feelings, but you are wrong on some of the
details regarding the simularities of the various model, though I get your
point.
?
Looking on the model A, well you are right
that the B-3 is a copy-cat of that original design. Though it is more plump
than the original A. Actually the difference in size is substantial as the A
is slimmer and far more elegante than the B-3.
?
Best regards
Lars
?
In my opinion the name "B-3" gathers every
Hammond organ with the same kind of tonewheel generator like A, B, C, RT
series. I am a fanatic of those and am proud of it. But when I wanna talk
about them, I have to admit I use the word B-3 as a kind of a shortcut, and I
think a lot of people do the same. I even know artists who use C-3's or
A-100's in studio and write "Hammond B-3" on the booklet of their CD's. Maybe
It's a kind of a label which involves a type of tonewheel generator. Keeping
in mind that the RT-3 is a little different, we all know the inside of all
those organs are exactly the same : the keyboard, motor, and generator of a
unit were all built independently from the model. Then each unit was assigned
to a wood cabinet. Once again, I have to admit my favorite cabinet is the B-3
: the thin legs, the curves, the body... just a matter of taste. By the way,
take a look at the very first Hammond organ ever built, the model A number 1
and the B-3 cabinet kind of look alike, don't they?...
Please don't say a love affair is absurd, the B-3
is the most famous organ ever, the longest production of the Hammond factory,
there must certainly be a good reason. I live in a small appartment, no tons
of money, an old car, but I don't care?at all, the world could crumble, I
thank God every day for?giving me a Hammond and a Leslie. I thank Him
twice it's a B-3 and a 122.
Best regards,
?
Marc.
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Re: [hammond_zone] Hammond Porta B and Leslie 760
Lars Karstensen - Infinity Trading ApS
Dear Wim,
?
Old Hammond and especially Old leslies that are not taken care
of, tend to get worn down. I assume that this is also what happened with these
two leslies.
?
I have been onto several leslies during my many
years with hammond, and some where even close to scrap, but still. Once we had
them tuned up they where as good as new.
?
I tried many things also to improve the sound of the solid
state leslies in the direction of the Valved sisters. Putting a tupe-preamp in
between did help alot to the warmth of the sound. If you do not push the Solid
state leslies to fare, you can still get a very decent sound.
?
By the way the X-5 was one of the best portabels Hammond made,
especially if you go for the rough and direct sound. The B-200 where more into
soft and sustain.
?
Best regards
lars
?
Hi everybody,
?
Last week I did a recording in a small private studio in my
neighbourhood... As a dedicated Hammond player a was?surprised because of
the Hammond¨PortaB standing there, together with two Lesie's a 760 and
antoher one (don't know the number, but it also was a solid state)
I?couldn't wait to hear that organ, but when I did,?it was not as cool
as I thought...?The Leslie had a lot of ground noise,?there was an
awful lot of mechanical?noise... and the typical Leslie sound
characteristics where lacking...
?
Anyway, what I wanted to say?is that a good Leslie is in
many cases the first concern for a?pleasing Hammond sound.?When I hear
my setup on recordings (X5 solid state Hammond through a?Leslie-clone with
a tube amp) it?has a lot more?of?roarin' and screamin' than a
real solid state Leslie...?
?
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