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X-5 manual
¿ªÔÆÌåÓýHi,
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can anyone scan me an X-5 manual or
tell me if there are any pdfs with it?
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Re: [hammond_zone] B4-Reverb-Hammonds future
I use the NI B4 and think it is exceptionally good. At the price, it is nothing short of incredible.
Whether it is the cat's meow of the Hammond sound depends on the usage. For recording, it is fablous. If you have a tonewheel console and a 122 in a studio and know how to deal with issues like mic placement and phase cancellation, then that is still the ideal. But for anyone else, I would use the B4 over any of the clone options currently available. No contest in my opinion. The ideal solution is not as clear for live sound, at least at this time. A real Leslie is going to sound best in small spaces where the direct sound can be heard. A real rotating horn has such a complex sonic signature that it is very hard to duplicate it. Candidly, it is not as clear to me that a miked Leslie is going to be the best sound if the audience hears it indirectly, through a PA. I know that is heresy, but a mic on a Leslie is going to pick up a bunch of stage volume bleed and there are going to be phase issues that may impact the sound a lot. I would not be shocked if in an absolute blind A/B test, the B4 was actually prefered to a miked Leslie when run through a PA for live sound. The B4 will certainly beat out all the current crop of clones. That said, there are other issues in live sound that make other clones potentially better than the B4. They include latency (you can get it down to about 10 milliseconds under good conditions but it takes some work), the need for a well equiped laptop (and the risks of crashes and tendencies to walk away during breaks), and simple stage presence. Don't discount the latter comnpletely - I saw Billy Joel a few months back playing a beautiful 9 foot concert grand. Impressive, until I picked up by binocs and saw that he was actually playing a Kurzeil K2500 that was built into a hollow concert grand case. Not criticizing that decision - lots of reasons the Kurz provides better sound - but he would have looked a lot less impressive on stage sitting behind the Kurzweil without the hollow piano shell. I still hesitate to use a B4 live, but I know that some do it and if you can get it to work reliably, the sound is better than other clones. Just my $.02. Dan |
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Re: [hammond_zone] B4-Reverb-Hammonds future
Ron Newman
Yeah Peter. Take your good points.
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B4 does give all drawbars, and all manuals, but you need two keyboard controllers to work it, or, as I do, split one keyboard. But yeah, for you, what you can see through your window gives you itchy tips of your fingers. Ron. ----- Original Message -----
From: "Peter Blue & Elisabeth Star aka Blue Star" <blue@...> To: <hammond_zone@...> Sent: Thursday, June 07, 2001 9:27 AM Subject: Re: [hammond_zone] B4-Reverb-Hammonds future Hello Ron!that it is only a question of time when the virtual instruments get as good asto me with the virtual instruments. |
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Re: [hammond_zone] B4-Reverb-Hammonds future
Hello Ron!
I have no experience with the B4 although we run a Mac in the studio and could run the B4 as VST plugin. But as long as I can see the C3 / leslie right through the window to our live room I???ll use that. But I???m shure that it is only a question of time when the virtual instruments get as good as their originals. At least soundwise. Then comes the handling in. You want two manuals, 2 sets of drawbars and preset keys. That???s the main problem to me with the virtual instruments. Take care, Peter |
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Re: [hammond_zone] Leslie 147
Ron Newman
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From: <SimpsonDan@...> To: <hammond_zone@...> Sent: Wednesday, June 06, 2001 5:16 PM Subject: [hammond_zone] Leslie 147 <The leslie 147 looks and sounds like the 147 but the preamp is different.It has a unbalanced input and the slow fast relay is switched directly> that a 147 looks and sounds like the 147 is fairly obvious. :o) was made to be used with a wide variety of other organs from other manufacturers. The cabinets and most of the main components (horn, speaker, etc.) are identical so you need to look at the amp in order to tell which is which. As Peter points out, the 147 is unbalanced, which means is does not have the same common mode rejection (noise filtering in long cable runs) as the 122. The amp is also slighly different. the 147 amp produced more high-frequency content than a 122, so the sound is somewhat more "shrill" (word implies a huge difference, which is not the case). Whether the difference is important is a matter of taste. People who play in rock bands tend to like the 147 over the 122 because it cuts a bit better. Those who play jazz tend to like the 122 because it is a bit mellower. The differences are reasonably subtle, especially if you consider that a clone tends to have a LOT more high frequency content than any tonewheel Hammond. Frankly, those who are not used to tonewheel Hammonds probably won't be able to tell much difference between the 122 and 147. different so you cannot use a 122 and a 147 interchangably. They each require unique connections.
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Hi all
Paul Mylchreest
¿ªÔÆÌåÓýI have just aquired a Hammond XH 200 my first good
organ? previously I have had keyboards ie (Yamaha,Technics,Roland,Goldstar)
What I am looking for are some styles and registration settings on floppy disc
to get me started till I understand the intricacies of the instrument and I am
able to do better myself.? I will be happy to reimburse any postage or
other costs involved if anyone can help me.
????????? Thanks in
advance.????
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Paul Mylchreest
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Re: [hammond_zone] B4-Reverb-Hammonds future
Ron Newman
Ok, so you got lots experience, and the right stuff, so what do you think
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about the B4? Ron. ----- Original Message -----
From: "Peter Blue & Elisabeth Star aka Blue Star" <blue@...> To: <hammond_zone@...> Sent: Tuesday, June 05, 2001 2:58 PM Subject: Re: [hammond_zone] B4-Reverb-Hammonds future Hello Jimmy!plate) it is the swirl of the reverb tail thru the leslie 147 that makes thingssocket plug in. We love it.amount of reverb during monitoring as it really affects the mood and hence thewith organ sounds to Korg cx3, dynacord leslie simulator, Hammond L 100,Allsound Leslie, Hammond C3 and finaly Leslie 147. |
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Re: [hammond_zone] Hammonds TWG and the new Leslie line by Suzuki
Hi Guillermo,
I'm no expert, particularly on the solid-state Leslies, but here's my guesses: I would like to buy the new Leslie (the most powerful one) that is usedThat the Leslie 771, I think. An 11-pin model. In short, would it be possibel to connect such a Leslie to my A-105?Ted Thompson has a schematic which shows how to do this. It's near the bottom of his "Leslie Pinout" page at Jeff |
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Hammonds TWG and the new Leslie line by Suzuki
Guillermo Garcia Huidobro
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I am happy to meet someone that knows about Leslie connections to Hammonds. I own a Hammond A-105 Tone Wheel Generator. I would like to buy the new Leslie (the most powerful one) that is used together with the Hammond-Suzuki XB3 Our dealer down here in Chile has this wonderful combinattion (XB3+Leslie-SolidState-HammondSuzuki) but he thinks that it is not possible to use that Leslie with our old tone wheel generator models, since the Leslie goes through the MIDI and all that new electronic parapharnalia of the XB3 In short, would it be possibel to connect such a Leslie to my A-105? How could I do it? I am inclined to electronics. ggha@... ----- Original Message -----
From: "Jeff Dairiki" <dairiki@...> To: <hammond_zone@...> Sent: Tuesday, June 05, 2001 8:53 PM Subject: Re: [hammond_zone] Re: 9 vs 6 pin For the electronically inclined, the source book for all leslieAlso, Bob Schleicher provides schematics for his modular "Universal |
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Leslie 147
<The leslie 147 looks and sounds like the 147 but the preamp is different. It has a unbalanced input and the slow fast relay is switched directly>
I believe Peter meant to say "looks and sounds like the *122*" The fact that a 147 looks and sounds like the 147 is fairly obvious. :o) The 122 was made by Don Leslie to be connected to Hammond organs. Teh 147 was made to be used with a wide variety of other organs from other manufacturers. The cabinets and most of the main components (horn, speaker, etc.) are identical so you need to look at the amp in order to tell which is which. As Peter points out, the 147 is unbalanced, which means is does not have the same common mode rejection (noise filtering in long cable runs) as the 122. The amp is also slighly different. Techs can provide a more detailed description, but the net effect is that the 147 amp produced more high-frequency content than a 122, so the sound is somewhat more "shrill" (word implies a huge difference, which is not the case). Whether the difference is important is a matter of taste. People who play in rock bands tend to like the 147 over the 122 because it cuts a bit better. Those who play jazz tend to like the 122 because it is a bit mellower. The differences are reasonably subtle, especially if you consider that a clone tends to have a LOT more high frequency content than any tonewheel Hammond. Frankly, those who are not used to tonewheel Hammonds probably won't be able to tell much difference between the 122 and 147. One important note, though. The wiring in the connectors is indeed different so you cannot use a 122 and a 147 interchangably. They each require unique connections. Hope that helps. Dan |
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Ron Newman
I mean I know what a Leslie is. What's a 147?
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Sorry. Ron. ----- Original Message -----
From: "Ron Newman" <ron.newman2@...> To: <hammond_zone@...> Sent: Wednesday, June 06, 2001 9:43 AM Subject: Re: [hammond_zone] B4-Reverb-Hammonds future You gonna tell me what a Leslie 147 is?things thesocketinteresting. It is a unit that could easily be installed via a tubeamountplug in. We love it. thatfollowingperformance. To hear the C3 with the reverb you can play thesong that is currently nr. 11 in the mp3 Blues Rock Charts. thethatsite as well kindgospel charts nailed.withhelp with our little noise problem. toNot true until we got the c3 with leslie 147 in 1993. Didn???t change have that sound in a mobile package.
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Re: [hammond_zone] B4-Reverb-Hammonds future
The leslie 147 looks and sounds like the 147 but the preamp is different. It
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Re: [hammond_zone] B4-Reverb-Hammonds future
Ron Newman
You gonna tell me what a Leslie 147 is?
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Ron ----- Original Message -----
From: "Jimmy Lange" <jlange@...> To: <hammond_zone@...> Sent: Tuesday, June 05, 2001 3:06 PM Subject: Re: [hammond_zone] B4-Reverb-Hammonds future Hey Blue Star,we plate)have modern and vintage reverb machines in the studio (EMT gold foil socketit is the swirl of the reverb tail thru the leslie 147 that makes things amountplug in. We love it. followingof reverb during monitoring as it really affects the mood and hence the thatsong that is currently nr. 11 in the mp3 Blues Rock Charts. withis not cecognized immediately (yes, we use more registrations than Allsoundorgan sounds to Korg cx3, dynacord leslie simulator, Hammond L 100, Leslie, Hammond C3 and finaly Leslie 147.
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Re: [hammond_zone] B4-Reverb-Hammonds future
Ron Newman
Jeez, 2,500 watts!
But that aside. Yeah, we play because we want to hear what we play, reverb and all, and the audience gives us an excuse to do that. Something to work to. Same when recording. You got to hear what you're playing, reverb and all, otherwise you can't do it the same. So, that question still outstands, did Jimmy hear that big reverb when he recorded Organ Grinder? Or did he imagine it and then they put it on after? I ALWAYS have a touch of verbYou got some kind of phones that give you reverb? It is commonlyNor do I, you got to hear it when you play. Ron. Hey Hammond-lovers,through a gotgood speaker? What speaker did you listen to the B4 through? timea Midiman soundcard that I put it through but that doesn't give real butreverb. I then put it through a couple of Mackie HR824 studio speakers, butthey crack up at a reasonable volume, but up to that the sound is good, itto get reverb I put the B4 throught a Peavey KB60 speaker with spring SoundBlasterwas created real? So Jimmy could hear it when he played? balls. ILive. I mean so you can hear it when you play. hearddon't mean to be a purist but lets get real. The closest thing I've takeisthe XB-2 (which I use for small gigs) and even that can readily beidentifiedas a clone. If anyone takes exception to my opinion, sound off, I can Bob,it. But lastly, a hammond clone is better than no hammond at all. anold hippie fart. Visit The Hammond Zone
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Re: [hammond_zone] Leslie 147
Lars Karstensen - Infinity Trading ApS
The discussion whether to take the 147 or 122 to hook-up with your B-3 is tricky. It is a matter of taste, as they do sound slightly different. I experienced that the 15" speaker is not the same in the two Leslies, and that the sound starts to distord/crank earlier in the 122 than the 147. Also the 122 sounds warmer.
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If you look at it from the history, the B-3 stops in a balanced output wherefor it would be most correct to have the B-3 122 combination. If you have a bit of technical skilles you can actually rewire the 147 into a 122. It works! Best regards Lars -----Oprindelig meddelelse----- Fra: SimpsonDan@... <SimpsonDan@...> Til: hammond_zone@... <hammond_zone@...> Dato: 6. juni 2001 19:17 Emne: [hammond_zone] Leslie 147 <The leslie 147 looks and sounds like the 147 but the preamp is different. It has a unbalanced input and the slow fast relay is switched directly> |
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Re: [hammond_zone] Hammonds TWG and the new Leslie line by Suzuki
Lars Karstensen - Infinity Trading ApS
Dear Guillermo,
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If you want to buy a new Leslie to go along with your old Hammond A-105 it is no problem. They do produce the new leslies with connections to the old models of organs. You just have to order this specific at your dealer. If he can not help you contact the leslie production facility at Hammond Suzuki USA and ask for Mr. Brunsting. He sure can help you in this matter. The thing about the MIDI and the XB-3 is that you can control the speed of the rotators in the new leslies by aftertouch on the keyboard. A function rarely used by "normal" organ players, but still it is there if you like to. You can also by an adapter use the new 11-pin leslie connection with you A-105. Just need a bit of electronic in between but that is no big problem. Best regards Lars Karstensen -----Oprindelig meddelelse----- Fra: Guillermo Garcia Huidobro <ggha@...> Til: hammond_zone@... <hammond_zone@...> Dato: 6. juni 2001 18:46 Emne: [hammond_zone] Hammonds TWG and the new Leslie line by Suzuki Dear Jeff, |
Geoffrey Dairiki
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