Reserving Modification Numbers
Beloved Members,
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Sorry to impose upon your day of rest and relaxation, but subsequent to the discussion on Modification Numbers, and prompted by todays note on DMKGRF I am reminded that most developers felt changing modification numbers was a BAD idea, and would like to be able to reserve numbers for your modifications in advance.
So to assist in this I have created some pages in the Wiki
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where you can reserve numbers. If there are any clashes please let me know.?
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Dave G4UGM
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Re: Support for 3066 Graphic Terminal
Hello,
I dislike removing support from the product, but I'm not against removing 3066 console support.? Just some questions.
?When did IBM remove support for the 3066?
Is it possible to add an additional register for addressability?
How did IBM handle the addressability issue for DMKGRF?
As I said, I'm not against removing the support for the 3066 console, but the future does concern me.? I suspect there will be other changes in the?future for DMKGRF, and removing device support won't be the solution.? Maybe adding a register now is a consideration.?
Thank you.
On Sun, Sep 22, 2024, 02:15 William Denton via <williamedenton= [email protected]> wrote: Would anyone have any heartache about deleting support for the 3066 terminal (370/168 console)???? I have mixed personal experiences with the device but, as far as I can see, there in not a single 168 still under power and no emulators address the 3066 quirks. As an aside, sitting at that console with its "not" microfiche viewer was quite something... but its keyboard was crap.? But... nostalgia aside, I would like to open up some addressability in DMKGRF for other things I am working on... namely dynamic screen sizes.? Thoughts?? Cheers, William
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Support for 3066 Graphic Terminal
Would anyone have any heartache about deleting support for the 3066 terminal (370/168 console)???
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I have mixed personal experiences with the device but, as far as I can see, there in not a single 168 still under power and no emulators address the 3066 quirks. As an aside, sitting at that console with its "not" microfiche viewer was quite something... but its keyboard was crap.
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But... nostalgia aside, I would like to open up some addressability in DMKGRF for other things I am working on... namely dynamic screen sizes.
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Thoughts?
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cheers, William
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On Sat, Aug 17, 2024 at 07:11 PM, Gregg Levine wrote:
I see that Mark. There's a good reason waiting for it. What say that
when all of this is settled, and you've got the two systems seeing
each other, can you present all of this as a good example of
documentation?
I've written down my experiences as a How-To. I will post that in the Files section.
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On Thu, Sep 12, 2024 at 05:45 PM, Bob Polmanter wrote:
The other thing is that our systems are small and generally just single user, so the number of i/os issued by XNET across the channel isn't going to be much of an impact.? XNET doesnt do any "heartbeat" i/o, so if you are not doing anything at your 3270 terminal dialed to XNET, then there is no idle-time CTC i/o.
Does the lack of a "heartbeat" help or hinder? I don't know. I have kept my two KVMs up and running for 8 days, and sessions dialed to/through each XNET, and it doesn't drop.
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What I did discover, is if one VM system goes down, planned or otherwise, you can not reestablish the XNET connections without re-IPLing the XNET on the surviving machine.
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I tried to use the V cuu ACT/INACT to reestablish the connections, but that didn't work. Is it supposed to?
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I would ask, for consideration the following:
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0. Don't clear the stack, but read it, so when you IPL XNET you could stack D NODES and D TASKS to show up in your spooled console?
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1. SMSG capability, so I could SMSG D NODES and get the response back.
2. A restart capability, via SMSG? to reconnect systems when a failure happens.
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Thanks for providing this utility!
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SX20-4400-0 IBM Virtual Machine/System Product,Quick Guide for Users
I have preserved SX20-4400-0 IBM Virtual Machine/
System Product Quick Guide for Users which I did not see in BitSavers.? There is a later version but sometimes one a couple years earlier is better for the release that is being used especially with retro-computing under emulation.? I let Al know so he could add it to BitSavers.? I added a copy to the Internet Archive here scanned at 600 dpi.
Notice: The term VM/SP, as used in this
publication, refers to VM/SP when used in
conjunction with VM/370 Release 6.
First Edition (September 1980)
This edition, SX20-4400, applies to the IBM
Virtual/System Product, and to all
subsequent releases unless otherwise
indicated in new editions or Technical
Newsletters.
Changes are periodically made to the
information herein; before using this
publication in connection with the
operation of IBM systems, consult the
latest IBM System 370 and 4300 Processors
Bibliography, Order No. GC20-0111, for the
editions that are applicable and current.
--
Best Regards,
Sam Knutson
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I think is this one¡ ? This tape contains the contributions from the attendees of the 1991 VM??? Workshop held June 4 through 7 on the campus of the University of???????? Kentucky in Lexington.??????????????????????????????????????????????????? ?????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????? This tape may be freely copied, and the tools used without charge.??????? There should be no charge for copies of the tape other than charges to??? recover copying and mailing costs.? The tools should not be included????? in for-charge products without the prior permission of the author.??????? ? Dave ?
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Subject: [h390-vm] TOOLSTAPE Contents? Way back in 2019, you uploaded TOOLSTAPE.zip which has a bunch of interesting files, but I didn't find any e-mail reference as to what or why. Do you remember that far back, that you can explain what the tape was intended for?
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Re: Workshop Tapes - was Re: Examine RDR Files
On Fri, Sep 20, 2024 at 10:19 AM, Dave Wade wrote:
My fault, should have said, but sometimes things feel obvious.
The idea was that in the days before the Internet you could put the BLOCKTAP module in the first file, so you could then read the rest of the tape.
Strange ... I had to click " Show quoted text" to see that there is comething new in your message.
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Martin
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Re: #VMCE #rexx EE goes XEDIT - compiling a wish list
#VMCE
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I just have played around with the ZOC TN3270 emulator ... 3270 type DYNAMIC . EE V1.2.5 can make good use of physical screen size 81 lines and 200 columns (allows LRECL/WORKL 193 plus prefix area) just out of the box on an untouched VM/370 Community Edition V1R1.2 ... and I have not broken that because of my modifications and extensions.
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Martin
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Mark, Copied from the Yahoo Group¡ Can¡¯t find the original announcement. I¡¯ll see if I can find the original announcement. Dave ?
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Subject: [h390-vm] TOOLSTAPE Contents? Way back in 2019, you uploaded TOOLSTAPE.zip which has a bunch of interesting files, but I didn't find any e-mail reference as to what or why. Do you remember that far back, that you can explain what the tape was intended for?
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Re: Workshop Tapes - was Re: Examine RDR Files
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Subject: Re: [h390-vm] Workshop Tapes - was Re: Examine RDR Files
Mark A. Stevens wrote:
On Tue, Sep 17, 2024 at 04:02 PM, Fish Fish wrote:
Do you (or anyone else) have such a tape that I could get a copy of?
The other part of your requested changes have been completed.
The only thing remaining is the support for BLOCKTAP format request.
I'd like to have one I could test with. Thanks. In Files, in the folder VMWORKSHOP is a zip file of the 1987 VM
Workshop Tools Tape. You would need to have BLOCKTAP ON to view any of
the files beyond the first one, using vmfplc2. I wasn't aware that a tape could contain mixed formats! That throws a whole
new monkey wrench into things. The Hercules VMFPLC2 utility isn't currently
designed to handle that situation. I guess I have more work cut out for me than I
originally anticipated. :(
My fault, should have said, but sometimes things feel obvious. The idea was that in the days before the Internet you could put the BLOCKTAP module in the first file, so you could then read the rest of the tape. In any case, thank you Mark. Much appreciated.
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"Fish" (David B. Trout)
Software Development Laboratories
mail: fish@...
Dave
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Re: #VMCE #rexx EE goes XEDIT - compiling a wish list
#VMCE
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Support for the XEDIT "SET SCREEN" command, particularly in its generalized form, will be particularly attractive when I finish my CP mod to support arbitrary (almost) 3270 screen sizes... it's pretty cool when you have nice 40" 4K monitor and put up a 160x200 3270 window divided into several logical screens... the CP part is a lot of code but pretty straight forward.? For EE, the challenge might be dealing with enhanced Diag8C results and the generalized screen management.. and the new work dealing with:
- multiple "view ports" into a file's logical screens
- input to multiple files on a single keypress
- different screen configs in each "view port" (cmdline, prefix, etc)
All in all.. a bunch of work but.. what a cool result when it works
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cheers,
William
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Re: #VMCE #rexx EE goes XEDIT - compiling a wish list
#VMCE
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I cannot promise when I might be able to roll out the split screen feature, but I have to prepare for it now.
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Quote from "KEDIT for Windows 1.6.1 Help", Mansfield Software Group:
The description of each SET option indicates the "level" at which the option takes effect. Some SET options are at the Global level, affecting your entire KEDIT session. Some options are at the File level, affecting only the current file. Other options are at the View level, and can be different for each view you have of a file that is displayed in multiple windows.?
At the Global level are options like STATUSLINE, which determines whether KEDIT displays a line of status information at the bottom of its frame window, and MACROPATH, which controls which directories KEDIT searches when looking for a macro. Most options at the File level affect how a file is read from or written to disk, such as LRECL and TABSOUT. This is because if you have several files in the ring, you might want them all to be written to disk with different record lengths. But if the same file is displayed in multiple windows, it is unlikely that you would want it to be written to disk with different record lengths depending on which window the save operation was initiated from. The largest number of options are at the View level, since you might well want to have, for example, different VERIFY settings in different views of the same file.
EE currently handles the setting for the prefix area at the Global level but it should be at the View level as it works in XEDIT/THE/KEDIT. The data structures for the View level simply do not exist in EE yet. There are a lot more of SET options that have to be migrated from Global level to View level, or to File level at least. If we might see multiple views of the same file in the future, it makes sense to define data structures for the View level now, even if we have to live with one view per file only for some time.
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Martin
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Re: Workshop Tapes - was Re: Examine RDR Files
Mark A. Stevens wrote: On Tue, Sep 17, 2024 at 04:02 PM, Fish Fish wrote:
Do you (or anyone else) have such a tape that I could get
a copy of?
The other part of your requested changes have been completed.
The only thing remaining is the support for BLOCKTAP format
request. I'd like to have one I could test with. Thanks.
I am uploading a zipped AWS tape which requires BLOCKTAP ON
for vmfplc2 to scan beyond the first file. Look for 1987.87TL.AWS.zip in a VMWORKSHOP folder. Found it! THANK YOU, Mark! -- "Fish" (David B. Trout) Software Development Laboratories mail: fish@...
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Re: Workshop Tapes - was Re: Examine RDR Files
Mark A. Stevens wrote: On Tue, Sep 17, 2024 at 04:02 PM, Fish Fish wrote:
Do you (or anyone else) have such a tape that I could get
a copy of?
The other part of your requested changes have been completed.
The only thing remaining is the support for BLOCKTAP format
request. I'd like to have one I could test with. Thanks. In Files, in the folder VMWORKSHOP is a zip file of the 1987 VM
Workshop Tools Tape. You would need to have BLOCKTAP ON to view
any of the files beyond the first one, using vmfplc2. I wasn't aware that a tape could contain mixed formats! That throws a whole new monkey wrench into things. The Hercules VMFPLC2 utility isn't currently designed to handle that situation. I guess I have more work cut out for me than I originally anticipated. :( In any case, thank you Mark. Much appreciated. -- "Fish" (David B. Trout) Software Development Laboratories mail: fish@...
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Re: #VMCE #rexx EE goes XEDIT - compiling a wish list
#VMCE
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Personally, I like the split screen feature in XEDIT. ?It is especially handy when I use a 43 line terminal definition. ?For copy/paste operations it is really nice to be able to navigate different sections of the files. ?I only have ever used two virtual screens though.
I really do appreciate your efforts in incorporating XEDIT functions into EE. ?Keep up the good work.
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On Sep 19, 2024, at 5:33 PM, Martin Scheffler via groups.io <San-Lorenzo@...> wrote:
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I need your feedback: is it important to have XEDIT's SET SCREEN command in EE ?
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XEDIT allows to divide the physical screen into multiple logical screens. Multiple files are visible at the same time, or a file is visible in multiple views. THE (The Hessling Editor) has implemented this, KEDIT for Windows partially.
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This is a big change to EE's infrastructure, the question is to do it now or to do it never.
Martin
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Further reading:
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VM/SP 5 at SDFVM ( planet.sdf.org:24 ) : HELP SET SCREEN
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http://bitsavers.informatik.uni-stuttgart.de/pdf/ibm/370/VM/SP/Release_1/
? ? SC24-5220-0_VM_SP_System_Product_Editor_Users_Guide_Jul80.pdf
? ? ? ? ? IBM VM/SP System Product Editor User's Guide : Multiple Logical Screens p. 5-3
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http://bitsavers.informatik.uni-stuttgart.de/pdf/ibm/370/VM/SP/Release_2_Jun82/
? ? SC24-5221-1_VM_SP_System_Product_Editor_Command_and_Macro_Reference_Rel_2_Mar82.pdf
? ? ? ? ? IBM VM/SP: System Product Editor Command and Macro Reference p. 3-149
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https://www.vm.ibm.com/library/730pdfs/73633800.pdf
? ? SC24-6338-73 z/VM: 7.3 XEDIT User's Guide : Multiple Logical Screens p. 87
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https://www.vm.ibm.com/library/730pdfs/73633700.pdf
? ? SC24-6337-73 z/VM: 7.3 XEDIT Commands and Macros Reference : SET SCREEN p. 349
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Re: Workshop Tapes - was Re: Examine RDR Files
On Tue, Sep 17, 2024 at 04:02 PM, Fish Fish wrote:
Do you (or anyone else) have such a tape that I could get a copy of?
The other part of your requested changes have been completed. The only thing remaining is the support for BLOCKTAP format request. I'd like to have one I could test with. Thanks.
In Files, in the folder VMWORKSHOP is a zip file of the 1987 VM Workshop Tools Tape. You would need to have BLOCKTAP ON to view any of the files beyond the first one, using vmfplc2.
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I Hope This Helps.
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On Thu, 19 Sept 2024, 21:36 Mark A. Stevens via , <marXtevens= [email protected]> wrote: Dave Wade,
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Way back in 2019, you uploaded TOOLSTAPE.zip which has a bunch of interesting files, but I didn't find any e-mail reference as to what or why.
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Do you remember that far back, that you can explain what the tape was intended for?
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?... Mark S.
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Re: Workshop Tapes - was Re: Examine RDR Files
On Tue, Sep 17, 2024 at 04:02 PM, Fish Fish wrote:
Do you (or anyone else) have such a tape that I could get a copy of?
The other part of your requested changes have been completed. The only thing remaining is the support for BLOCKTAP format request. I'd like to have one I could test with. Thanks.
I am uploading a zipped AWS tape which requires BLOCKTAP ON for vmfplc2 to scan beyond the first file.
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Look for 1987.87TL.AWS.zip in a VMWORKSHOP folder.
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?... Mark S
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Re: #VMCE #rexx EE goes XEDIT - compiling a wish list
#VMCE
#rexx
I need your feedback: is it important to have XEDIT's SET SCREEN command in EE ?
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XEDIT allows to divide the physical screen into multiple logical screens. Multiple files are visible at the same time, or a file is visible in multiple views. THE (The Hessling Editor) has implemented this, KEDIT for Windows partially.
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This is a big change to EE's infrastructure, the question is to do it now or to do it never.
Martin
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Further reading:
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VM/SP 5 at SDFVM ( planet.sdf.org:24 ) : HELP SET SCREEN
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http://bitsavers.informatik.uni-stuttgart.de/pdf/ibm/370/VM/SP/Release_1/
? ? SC24-5220-0_VM_SP_System_Product_Editor_Users_Guide_Jul80.pdf
? ? ? ? ? IBM VM/SP System Product Editor User's Guide : Multiple Logical Screens p. 5-3
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http://bitsavers.informatik.uni-stuttgart.de/pdf/ibm/370/VM/SP/Release_2_Jun82/
? ? SC24-5221-1_VM_SP_System_Product_Editor_Command_and_Macro_Reference_Rel_2_Mar82.pdf
? ? ? ? ? IBM VM/SP: System Product Editor Command and Macro Reference p. 3-149
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https://www.vm.ibm.com/library/730pdfs/73633800.pdf
? ? SC24-6338-73 z/VM: 7.3 XEDIT User's Guide : Multiple Logical Screens p. 87
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https://www.vm.ibm.com/library/730pdfs/73633700.pdf
? ? SC24-6337-73 z/VM: 7.3 XEDIT Commands and Macros Reference : SET SCREEN p. 349
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Mark A. Stevens
Sam Knutson
Martin Scheffler
Jim Snellen