Hi Folks,
There may be some delays in getting messages delivered as new members are set to moderate until one sent.
Dave

If you can see this Dave I am there.
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Gregg C Levine gregg.drwho8@...
"This signature fought the Time Wars, time and again."

Hi Dave,

A test post from the web interface

Mike

I can, and you will see as well as groups.io tweaks messages so gmail doesn't hide them
Dave

Dave,

I just received my post via email,

A test reply via email.

Mike

Yes, there was a delay because every one is on moderation for one post, and I was at a presentation evening for a "pub of the season"...

Dave

I am following the crowd from the Yahoo groups. No more real mainframe to work on so I might get some time to play with VM on H390.

/Tom Kern

I like this one better already (the footer is simpler)

Dave,

First post.? Looks pretty good over here.

Thanks,
Bob

First post

Jim

I used the wrong email for the last join to this group. This email is the one I use for Computer topics.

/Tom Kern

Hello!
Yes indeed. All is well. Now we need to encourage the remaining
members on the list to join. By the way? Who delivered the archive of
file items? I'm not worried about the printer output items I've
uploaded. That can be reproduced any time I need to ask about them,
but, ah, who do I thank for it? Oh and Dave W? Did you create the
group next door on MVS? We still need to spin up the one for DOSVS as
it happens.
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Gregg C Levine gregg.drwho8@...
"This signature fought the Time Wars, time and again."

On Thu, Oct 17, 2019 at 8:54 PM Thomas Kern via Groups.Io
<TLK_sysprog@...> wrote:

I used the wrong email for the last join to this group. This email is the one I use for Computer topics.

/Tom Kern

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I have moved some files. Will nominally have until December to move the files and images, but given Yahoos record on file access it may break with the load as every one decamps.
I only created H390-MTS (Which I own) and this one (because love VM and wanted to by-pass the dithering that’s going on in Hercules-390)

Dave

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Thanks for doing the transfer, it certainly looks good.

Eddy Balem

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On October 18, 2019 6:32:24 PM "Dave Wade" <dave.g4ugm@...> wrote:

OK Folks, I have copied the "files" without the annotations, to this group.
I will try and annotate them over the next few days.

Thank you for your efforts!

-Dave

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Dave McGuire, AK4HZ
New Kensington, PA

Hello!
Back when Hercules was still growing up and the original list was not
as big as it is now, I made an interesting suggestion; Basically we
could find out if the list server software from LSoft was still
available from VM, we could track down a copy and get to run on
Hercules running VM/370 Release 6.

Naturally this was before I found out that two things did happen, one
of them was that LSoft made the bad decision to get out of the list
server on the appropriate IBM mainframe that we would be emulating for
VM/370 Release 6. The second was that of how such a mainframe would
find itself connected to the Internet. And naturally running that
release. It's possible that IBM did create a preliminary stack for
networking via TCP/IP protocols but, sadly a lot of the software we
would need is not available.

I found out about LSoft making that mistake at a trade show for the PC
about the same time I met an R/370. The R/370 made a better impression
than the droids from LSoft.

Who here (now) would know which release of VM prior to the Z Branded
releases did have networking available? I do know that Cliff Stoll
mentions what we run and the MVS crowd in his book.

Oh and Dave M? Please stop staring. The group does need all six to
make things work.
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Gregg C Levine gregg.drwho8@...
"This signature fought the Time Wars, time and again."

Gregg Levine wrote:

Back when Hercules was still growing up and the original list was not
as big as it is now, I made an interesting suggestion; Basically we
could find out if the list server software from LSoft was still
available from VM, we could track down a copy and get to run on
Hercules running VM/370 Release 6.

I approached Lsoft about this some years ago. As far as I recall, the
response back then was fairly positive but there were a number of snags.
Firstly, Listserv for VM was archived on old tapes and no working drive
was available to read them. Secondly, it is not going to run on VM/370 R6
without a lot of work. It's about 30 years since I last saw Listserv on
VM but as far as I recall, it is mostly written in REXX. I suspect it
makes a lot of use of EXECIO which I don't think we have at present.
There are other smaller issues but I think this one is the showstopper at
the moment.

Naturally this was before I found out that two things did happen, one
of them was that LSoft made the bad decision to get out of the list
server on the appropriate IBM mainframe that we would be emulating for
VM/370 Release 6. The second was that of how such a mainframe would
find itself connected to the Internet. And naturally running that
release. It's possible that IBM did create a preliminary stack for
networking via TCP/IP protocols but, sadly a lot of the software we
would need is not available.

The good news is that having TCP/IP connectivity on VM/370 R6 is not a
requirement to run Listserv. On VM, Listserv exchanged mail in the form
of spool files with a mail transfer agent (such as Lsoft Lmail or the
Crosswell Mailer) on the same VM system or with an off-system MTA by
sending the spool files over NJE links to other systems. The latter is
possible now on VM/370 R6 so mail can be transferred to an external system
which has TCP/IP connectivity where it can be gatewayed into the SMTP world.

I have an NJE link set up to my VMS system (running HUJI-NJE) which can get
mail to and from the outside by routing it through the PMDF MTA on VMS.
This is a bit fragile yet and there are issues with preventing spam etc but
it seems to work most of the time.

None of this is is likely to turn into a viable replacement for Yahoo
groups before they go away (although Listserv can host files in general as
well as mailing lists) but it is fun to play with.

Regards,
Peter Coghlan.