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--- In FT817@y..., ve3xj@r... wrote:

In response to David Henn's reply, I think there needs to be
clarification.

I am more than happy to take this to simplex now.

73

Jim, VE3XJ

Hello Jim,

More than glad to.

Rgds
David

David, Jim, et al.,

Kindly stop this thread now. Go simplex. This is not now remotely
on topic on the FT-817.

Thank you,

Barry - W4WB
FT817 Group Co-Moderator

--- In FT817@y..., "Simon Brown" <simon.brown@b...> wrote:

Hi All,
Do 6m 1/4 wave whips exist for the car?..
Simon Brown, HB9DRV
---
Casa Bergenia, 7031 Laax, Switzerland
Tel: +41 81 921 6853, GSM: +41 78 608 3854

Hi Simon,

Ccouple of thoughts:

1. The longer stainless steel CB whips can be cut to work on 6M
Make sure it does not have any loading coils though.

2. There are also the 6M versions of the Hamstik/Pro-Am whips
available.

3. If you can go the extra "DM" there are also Comet & Diamond
antennas.
I think they cover 10,6,2 without any coil bits sticking out.

4. NOT verified but reported. The Hustler(Newtronics?) 2M CGT mobile
colinear,
Not only gives exceptional performance on 2M, but also loads on
10 & 6M.
It's pretty big though at 2.1 Mtrs.

Hope this helps.
Rgds - David - W6DRH/M0DRH

In response to David Henn's reply, I think there needs to be
clarification.

With respect to David's assertions that there is no ambiguity, ("The
Middle East is a defined area, I would never connect it with Asia.")
The Encyclopedia Britannica (EB) would disagree with his assertions.
For example the EB website defines the location of the Middle East
as "the lands around the southern and eastern shores of the
Mediterranean Sea, extending from Morocco to the Arabian Peninsula
and Iran and sometimes beyond." For even greater certainty, it
lists most of the countries as follows:

"... the term Middle East was given to the British military command
in Egypt. Thus defined, the Middle East consisted of the states or
territories of Turkey, Cyprus, Syria, Lebanon, Iraq, Iran, Palestine
(now Israel), Jordan, Egypt, The Sudan, Libya, and the various states
of Arabia proper (Saudi Arabia, Kuwait, Yemen, Oman, Bahrain, Qatar,
and the Trucial States, or Trucial Oman [now United Arab Emirates]."

The EB goes onto say that other countries are also included from as
far east as Lybia and west to Pakistan depending on circumstances.

It is worthy to note that the EB supports my original missive to the
group - the term "Middle East" includes countries from Asia and
Africa. In fact, it could be argued that Middle East could be found
in Europe, because Turkish territory in both Asia and Europe. (I
hadn't realized this myself until I had drafted this reply.) As a
result, I would find it difficult to agree with the notion that the
area of the Middle East is defined.

Lastly, I do not dispute that Belize is located in Central America.
However, it is accepted that Central America is located within the
continent of North America. The EB defines North America as follows:

"North America is bounded on the north by the Arctic Ocean, on the
east by the North Atlantic Ocean, on the south by the Caribbean Sea,
and on the west by the North Pacific Ocean. To the northeast,
Greenland is separated from Iceland by the Denmark Strait, and to the
northwest, Alaska is separated from the Asian mainland by the much
narrower Bering Strait; North America's only land connection is to
South America at the narrow Isthmus of Panama."

Belize, by definition, is located in North America. Furthermore, any
confirmation of amateur radio contacts with Belize for the ARRL's
Worked All Continents awards are classified as North America. As a
result, listing Central America with South America instead of North
Amterican is an error.

I would be pleased if David would be kind enough to list the standard
references so that their information can be compared to that of the
EB.

I am more than happy to take this to simplex now.

73

Jim, VE3XJ

--- In FT817@y..., "David Henn" <drhenn@y...> wrote:

--- In FT817@y..., ve3xj@r... wrote:

David:
At the risk of sounding anal retentive,
I suspect that many have not bothered with your poll because at
best, your choices are ambiguous. For example,
if I were living in Belize, what is the correct answer?
If I was located there, either North America or South America and
Central America are correct because Central America
is part of North America. The same goes with the Middle East.
I believe what we normally think of the Middle East is in Asia,
but there are those who would include bits of Africa.

Hello Jim,,

Many thanks for your comments.

I think for the people who live in the region, I don't think there
is any
ambiguity, maybe only for people who are not familiar with them.

I have used standard references, the only exception being that I

split

"EMEA" into distinct areas for better granularity. The Middle East

is

a defined area, I would never connect it with Asia.

I think you may need to think carefully over "your" statement of

where

is Belize. The following is a statement from the official "Belize"
web site.

"Belize has been recognized as a genuine Central American nation
by its isthmus neighbors"

In terms of poll responses.. It would have been nice to have higher
poll rate, But in terms of surveys 7% is excellent 3-4% is the norm.

If you want to take this simplex.. that's fine by me.
The poll was me being curious.

Rgds - David

Hi All,

I ordered a FT-817 today, having been QRT since 1983/1984. I was GD4ELI, am
now HB9DRV. Do 6m 1/4 wave whips exist for the car? When I was last active
6m wasn't allocated (I think).

I'm off to the Friedrichshaven fest at the end of June, maybe I'll find one
there, but would like to know whether I'm wasting my time.

What do you all use for 6m while mobile?

Simon Brown, HB9DRV
---
Casa Bergenia, 7031 Laax, Switzerland
Tel: +41 81 921 6853, GSM: +41 78 608 3854

In a message dated 6/13/2001 10:19:57 AM Eastern Daylight Time,
simon.brown@... writes:

I ordered a FT-817 today, having been QRT since 1983/1984. I was GD4ELI, am
now HB9DRV. Do 6m 1/4 wave whips exist for the car? When I was last active
6m wasn't allocated (I think).

I'm off to the Friedrichshaven fest at the end of June, maybe I'll find one
there, but would like to know whether I'm wasting my time.

What do you all use for 6m while mobile?

Simon Brown, HB9DRV

Simon,

I use a 102" whip from Radio Shack and cut it down to approx. 54". It
works real well.

Paul

--- In FT817@y..., Nick Marsh <nmar@e...> wrote:

...I figure a 7ah cell for the 237 and small, maybe 1.2ah for
the tuner would be realistic.

For /PP I've been using a 7ah cell on the DX-70TH with a 2.3ah cell
on the AT-11. (Haven't been /PM with it yet, but this week. Kind of
heavy for trail work, but maybe the xcvr cell will give out before I
do :-/)

Also the same 2.3ah cell on the FT-817 with 8 alkalines on the Z-11.

Good combinations both.

Frank
AB2KT

KQ6XA wrote:

I think the best combination for "Transceiver + Amplifier" /PM
operation is with a separate battery feeding the amplifier. That way,
the transceiver can be maintained at good voltage stability. Then, you

are free to let the amplifier run down its battery and still maintain
your barefoot capability.

I have found (the hard way) I need a separate power source for the
SGC237 Porta tuner. Running the SGC2020 and 237 from the same source
leads to problems when voltage dips on voice peaks. (From a 7 amp
Pyramid PS). When this occurs, the 237 loses tune and relays start
clattering. I figure a 7ah cell for the 237 and small, maybe 1.2ah for
the tuner would be realistic.

Thanks for the info also Bonnie. CU on HFpack.....

73

Nick
WB4SQI

Is the THP HL-50B, or other 25-50W amp, available for sale in the
US? Any homebrew designs for an 80-10M no-tune amp?

Tnx/73,
Barry N1EU

John, your post referees to this antenna, could you tell me where I could
view it?

Thanks

--- In FT817@y..., "John O. Newell" <jnewell@m...> wrote:

Just a quick follow-up to Keith N1XTK's report on our NVIS
test. The odd thing was that although Keith had solid copy
on my signal, we had essentially one-way communication
because I could barely copy his signal above the noise on 40
(and couldn't at all, on 80). I'm wondering why? Was one
antenna not correctly configured? Or was there more local
noise at my end? Some antenna/signal polarity issue
(shouldn't be a factor with NVIS, right?)?

Would be interested in any thoughts.

73
John Newell
KB1FPM

Yeah,john,qrm plays a part in it,where i live i found only 2 places
where the noise(in particular 80 m.)is below s1.

They are at least 500 m. away from buildings and when i drive to them
you can see the noise disappear slowly on the s meter,which indicates
tipycally s 6 in the build up area with my vertical mobile antenna on
80 m. on the back of my (diesel,thus fully quiet)car.

Just two weeks ago i had a qso with a fellow ft 817 owner on 40 meters
200 km away with s 8 signals both ways,try a different place where
its nice and quiet. max

--- In FT817@y..., ve3xj@r... wrote:

David:
your inferences that most of us are nomads, as if that were
perjorative, is hardly an incentive to answer the poll.

73
Jim, VE3XJ

Jim,
Sorry I forgot,

My apologies if you(or anybody else) thinks my dry sarcastic
British sense of humor was to much.

Best Rgds - David

BTW..
I think it is Pejorative, from the Latin "Pejor" for worse

--- In FT817@y..., ve3xj@r... wrote:

David:
At the risk of sounding anal retentive,
I suspect that many have not bothered with your poll because at
best, your choices are ambiguous. For example,
if I were living in Belize, what is the correct answer?
If I was located there, either North America or South America and
Central America are correct because Central America
is part of North America. The same goes with the Middle East.
I believe what we normally think of the Middle East is in Asia,
but there are those who would include bits of Africa.

Hello Jim,,

Many thanks for your comments.

I think for the people who live in the region, I don't think there
is any
ambiguity, maybe only for people who are not familiar with them.

I have used standard references, the only exception being that I split
"EMEA" into distinct areas for better granularity. The Middle East is
a defined area, I would never connect it with Asia.

I think you may need to think carefully over "your" statement of where
is Belize. The following is a statement from the official "Belize"
web site.

"Belize has been recognized as a genuine Central American nation
by its isthmus neighbors"

In terms of poll responses.. It would have been nice to have higher
poll rate, But in terms of surveys 7% is excellent 3-4% is the norm.

If you want to take this simplex.. that's fine by me.
The poll was me being curious.

Rgds - David

--- In FT817@y..., df2oo@t... wrote:

David,
Does your FT-817 also show birdies on...

Hello Tom

I did not do an exhaustive search, I just reported the most obvious.
I found the following very loud ones:
3.895Mhz, 7.245Mhz, 28.873Hhz, 50.242Mhz, 144.215Mhz, 432.261

The Radio was connected/terminated into a dummy load.
After a trip to Yaesu they have been reduced by approx 25-50%.
(subjective), the service report indicated that
"chip capacitors added".??

Rgds
David

Nick WB4SQI wrote:

Can you be a bit more specific on your PM hikes?

Yes, Nick... I usually operate for 2 or 3 hours at a time with a
normal QSO style. Overall, maybe 85% receive/standby and 15% transmit.
Maybe a little higher % transmit when there is good propagation or I'm
calling for a sked or ragchewing.

I was thinking along the lines of 7ah

That should be fine for /PM. 7Ah gel cells are the most popular
portable pack size for hams (mostly due to low cost).
There is an interesting survey of portable operators on this subject:


For casual /PM, gel cells are fine, but for backcountry packing,
you'll want Li Ion, NiMH, or better yet Lithium primary cells.

I think the best combination for "Transceiver + Amplifier" /PM
operation is with a separate battery feeding the amplifier. That way,
the transceiver can be maintained at good voltage stability. Then, you
are free to let the amplifier run down its battery and still maintain
your barefoot capability. This sort of setup is easily arranged with
the FT-817 and its isolated internal pack.

Bonnie KQ6XA

Just built this antenna as per his instructions and with a 16' ground
wire hanging off the back of the rig, the antenna is lighting up no
swr bars and it hears very well. A success. So how many turns for the
other bands???

John Ve3ips

KQ6XA wrote:

Mike AC6JA wrote:

What would be the optimal amp hour capacity for a battery
when using 20-50w?
Am looking to put my 817 portable with the THP HL-50B amp.

I'm currently using a 4.8Ah battery with about 25W PEP. That gives me
1 or maybe 2 good Pedestrian Mobile hikes on a charge.

It totally depends how much you transmit, how efficient your amp is,
and how many hours you want to operate.

Bonnie,

Can you be a bit more specific on your PM hikes? How much transmitting
would you think? How much total time is the radio "on"?

I was thinking along the lines of 7ah for use with my SGC2020, based on
your comments above, I may be highly satisfied with my selection.

thanks

Nick
WB4SQI

David:

At the risk of sounding anal retentive, I suspect that many have not
bothered with your poll because at best, your choices are ambiguous.
For example, if I were living in Belize, what is the correct answer?
If I was located there, either North America or South America and
Central America are correct because Central America is part of North
America. The same goes with the Middle East. I believe what we
normally think of the Middle East is in Asia, but there are those who
would include bits of Africa.

You might find a better response if you would remove the ambiguities -
your inferences that most of us are nomads, as if that were
perjorative, is hardly an incentive to answer the poll.

73
Jim, VE3XJ

Didn't find one at 436.025 but I seem to have the others you listed.

73's Julio

Would like to check out my new 817 on ssb. I am on 14.285 +- 4 right
now. My Qth is the North West ,Mill Creek Wa with a in door attic
dipole. Any one on that can point there beam in my direction .
Thanks
Bob , W8MCJ