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Re: Yaesu FT-718 power conditioner

 

I added a toggle switch to my power conditioner. Never a question about any drain issues. Easy.

Joe N1KHB?



On Thu, Jul 25, 2024 at 2:05 PM, Steve W2SGM
<steve@...> wrote:

Mike, that power conditioner looks great. Without knowing how you have designed the circuits in the device, I am wondering if you have also (intentionally or otherwise) solved the excessive power-off battery drain that happens in the FT-817/818 when there is something plugged into the barrel connector. I felt I should share the attached schematic that details one potential fix.

The often-seen phenomenon of the overnight dead-battery is caused by a CPU-controlled sense on the DC jack that changes the radio's behavior. Anything connected to the jack, even an unpowered lead, will cause excessive power draw when the radio is off. The current drain is from the CPU; it's not a passive current draw.

You can tell a fix is needed with your powerpole adapter if the backlight (when set to Auto in settings) stays on all the time when there is a connector in the jack. This means the power-off draw is ~4 mA instead of the usual .5-1 mA. If your powerpole adapter is connected and the auto-backlight times out as it should, no further fix is needed.


On 25 Jul 2024, at 8:42, Mike Bryce wrote:

Hey, gang...
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Things have been slow in the shack, so I've raised from the dead a project I started back in 2018. This is a power conditioner for the 718/818.
?
Unlike Phil's design, I can't remember his call, this is an external box.
?
The photos show a early proof build unit.?
?
There are Anderson power poles for input supply.
A field replaceable fuse
Reverse polarity protection
All kinds of noise and spike suppression
Can do 3A output all day long without adding heat to the 718's chassis
the whole shebang mounts into a cast aluminum Hammond box.
?
A new design is being worked on, and if there is enough interest, I might move forward with this project.
Might have a need for a few beta testers soon.
?
I'm Mike, WB8VGE
?
?


Re: Yaesu FT-718 power conditioner

 

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Mike, that power conditioner looks great. Without knowing how you have designed the circuits in the device, I am wondering if you have also (intentionally or otherwise) solved the excessive power-off battery drain that happens in the FT-817/818 when there is something plugged into the barrel connector. I felt I should share the attached schematic that details one potential fix.

The often-seen phenomenon of the overnight dead-battery is caused by a CPU-controlled sense on the DC jack that changes the radio's behavior. Anything connected to the jack, even an unpowered lead, will cause excessive power draw when the radio is off. The current drain is from the CPU; it's not a passive current draw.

You can tell a fix is needed with your powerpole adapter if the backlight (when set to Auto in settings) stays on all the time when there is a connector in the jack. This means the power-off draw is ~4 mA instead of the usual .5-1 mA. If your powerpole adapter is connected and the auto-backlight times out as it should, no further fix is needed.


On 25 Jul 2024, at 8:42, Mike Bryce wrote:

Hey, gang...
?
Things have been slow in the shack, so I've raised from the dead a project I started back in 2018. This is a power conditioner for the 718/818.
?
Unlike Phil's design, I can't remember his call, this is an external box.
?
The photos show a early proof build unit.?
?
There are Anderson power poles for input supply.
A field replaceable fuse
Reverse polarity protection
All kinds of noise and spike suppression
Can do 3A output all day long without adding heat to the 718's chassis
the whole shebang mounts into a cast aluminum Hammond box.
?
A new design is being worked on, and if there is enough interest, I might move forward with this project.
Might have a need for a few beta testers soon.
?
I'm Mike, WB8VGE
?
?


Re: Ft-817 power connector

 

3d print version... you still need anderson power pole and plug
do the short one so you can see the ends of the anderson power poles


On Thu, Jul 25, 2024 at 11:25?AM Mike Bryce via <prosolar=[email protected]> wrote:
Hi, gang...
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well the subject says it all. I'm looking for the little coaxial power jack for the 718. I've searched Amazon and eBay. I don't want to spend $25 for a connector with a hunk of wire on it.?
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The plug in the back Anderson power pole thingiee would be okay, but apparently there's some rather nasty ripoffs floating around.
?
Is there a Mouser part number handy?
?
Thanks..
?
Mike WB8VGE


Re: Ft-817 power connector

 

There is a problem with these connectors. I was using one and the connector got yanked while it was plugged in. It pulled the DC jack loose from the pc board. I had an awful time repairing it. Now the jack connection is very flimsy and I have to treat it with care. I find that the one I pictured, with the screw connecting it to the radio, is a very solid and stable connection. It's not going to pull out or damage the jack on the radio.

Zack W9SZ

On Thu, Jul 25, 2024 at 12:06?PM Ken N2VIP via <ken=[email protected]> wrote:
The proper Yaesu part, EDC-6, is $9

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Power pole to 1.7mm is $10

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If you want just the connector, it's a 1.7mm coaxial connector, $1.39 at digikey

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Hope that helps,

Ken, N2VIP

On Jul 25, 2024, at 10:25, Mike Bryce <prosolar@...> wrote:

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Hi, gang...
?
well the subject says it all. I'm looking for the little coaxial power jack for the 718. I've searched Amazon and eBay. I don't want to spend $25 for a connector with a hunk of wire on it.?
?
The plug in the back Anderson power pole thingiee would be okay, but apparently there's some rather nasty ripoffs floating around.
?
Is there a Mouser part number handy?
?
Thanks..
?
Mike WB8VGE


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Re: Ft-817 power connector

 

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The proper Yaesu part, EDC-6, is $9

?

Power pole to 1.7mm is $10

??

If you want just the connector, it's a 1.7mm coaxial connector, $1.39 at digikey

?

Hope that helps,

Ken, N2VIP

On Jul 25, 2024, at 10:25, Mike Bryce <prosolar@...> wrote:

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Hi, gang...
?
well the subject says it all. I'm looking for the little coaxial power jack for the 718. I've searched Amazon and eBay. I don't want to spend $25 for a connector with a hunk of wire on it.?
?
The plug in the back Anderson power pole thingiee would be okay, but apparently there's some rather nasty ripoffs floating around.
?
Is there a Mouser part number handy?
?
Thanks..
?
Mike WB8VGE


Re: Yaesu FT-718 power conditioner

 

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Mike,

Thanks, your explanation answers my questions.

Note: you seem to keep referring to the FT-817 as 718, which brings to mind a competitor's radio, the IC-718.

Thanks,

Ken, N2VIP

On Jul 25, 2024, at 11:08, Mike Bryce <prosolar@...> wrote:

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Hi, Ken,
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There is/will be a pigtail that runs from the conditioner to the radio. It simply was installed when these photos were taken.
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The active device is a low dropout adjustable regulator that will do 3A.?
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I use my 718 with internal batteries all the time, however just not for very long. You can suck 'em dry in a few hours depending on your operating style and mode of operation. This allows for an external power source that you can adjust to 10 V or so, that way the 718 won't get upset with higher input voltages, the heat ends up in the rear heatsink. ?The 718 will be much happier with 10V input.
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Or flip the switch and get full 13.8V ?to recharge the internal batteries or go full hog with 5 W of RF.
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Of course there is built in over current protection as well as reverse polarity protection. The new version has over voltage protection, too
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Mike WB8VGE


Re: Ft-817 power connector

 

Do you mean the FT817? Not 718? Sometimes you just have to spend the money. I would stay away from the Windcamp adaptors. For one thing, I bought one and the plug into the radio didn't fit properly (too long). For another, I have an SMA connector on the rear of mine for an output to an SDR dongle for a spectrum monitor. The Windcamp one covered this up. I used something like this one:



See my photo attached.

Zack W9SZ

Virus-free.


On Thu, Jul 25, 2024 at 10:25?AM Mike Bryce via <prosolar=[email protected]> wrote:
Hi, gang...
?
well the subject says it all. I'm looking for the little coaxial power jack for the 718. I've searched Amazon and eBay. I don't want to spend $25 for a connector with a hunk of wire on it.?
?
The plug in the back Anderson power pole thingiee would be okay, but apparently there's some rather nasty ripoffs floating around.
?
Is there a Mouser part number handy?
?
Thanks..
?
Mike WB8VGE


Re: Ft-817 power connector

 


On Thu, Jul 25, 2024, 11:25?AM Mike Bryce via <prosolar=[email protected]> wrote:
Hi, gang...
?
well the subject says it all. I'm looking for the little coaxial power jack for the 718. I've searched Amazon and eBay. I don't want to spend $25 for a connector with a hunk of wire on it.?
?
The plug in the back Anderson power pole thingiee would be okay, but apparently there's some rather nasty ripoffs floating around.
?
Is there a Mouser part number handy?
?
Thanks..
?
Mike WB8VGE


Re: Yaesu FT-718 power conditioner

 

Hi, Ken,
?
There is/will be a pigtail that runs from the conditioner to the radio. It simply was installed when these photos were taken.
?
The active device is a low dropout adjustable regulator that will do 3A.?
?
I use my 718 with internal batteries all the time, however just not for very long. You can suck 'em dry in a few hours depending on your operating style and mode of operation. This allows for an external power source that you can adjust to 10 V or so, that way the 718 won't get upset with higher input voltages, the heat ends up in the rear heatsink. ?The 718 will be much happier with 10V input.
?
Or flip the switch and get full 13.8V ?to recharge the internal batteries or go full hog with 5 W of RF.
?
Of course there is built in over current protection as well as reverse polarity protection. The new version has over voltage protection, too
?
Mike WB8VGE


Re: Yaesu FT-718 power conditioner

 

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Mike,

Looks nice, but I've got a couple questions:

I only see one external connection, how is this unit connected to the radio? A jumper that passes thru the lid?

I suspect most FT-817/818 users power their radios from batteries, what is the use case for a power conditioner like this?

Thanks,

Ken, N2VIP

On Jul 25, 2024, at 10:42, Mike Bryce <prosolar@...> wrote:

?
Hey, gang...
?
Things have been slow in the shack, so I've raised from the dead a project I started back in 2018. This is a power conditioner for the 718/818.
?
Unlike Phil's design, I can't remember his call, this is an external box.
?
The photos show a early proof build unit.?
?
There are Anderson power poles for input supply.
A field replaceable fuse
Reverse polarity protection
All kinds of noise and spike suppression
Can do 3A output all day long without adding heat to the 718's chassis
the whole shebang mounts into a cast aluminum Hammond box.
?
A new design is being worked on, and if there is enough interest, I might move forward with this project.
Might have a need for a few beta testers soon.
?
I'm Mike, WB8VGE
?
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Re: Ft-817 power connector

 

I use the Yaesu cable: I think it came with the radio. It also fits my Yaesu HTs.

73, Leon
G1HSM


Yaesu FT-718 power conditioner

 

Hey, gang...
?
Things have been slow in the shack, so I've raised from the dead a project I started back in 2018. This is a power conditioner for the 718/818.
?
Unlike Phil's design, I can't remember his call, this is an external box.
?
The photos show a early proof build unit.?
?
There are Anderson power poles for input supply.
A field replaceable fuse
Reverse polarity protection
All kinds of noise and spike suppression
Can do 3A output all day long without adding heat to the 718's chassis
the whole shebang mounts into a cast aluminum Hammond box.
?
A new design is being worked on, and if there is enough interest, I might move forward with this project.
Might have a need for a few beta testers soon.
?
I'm Mike, WB8VGE
?
?


Re: 60dbm Neptune Amplifier + or -

 

Hi Steve,

The issue I'm having seems to be different, but close attention to your reply makes me wanting to expend some euros on a dummy load for further debug this.

Meanwhile, I also engaged with Neptune crew (Pawel) and I'm preparing to follow his suggestion on firmware upgrade.

73, Anaxi, CS7BGW


Ft-817 power connector

 

Hi, gang...
?
well the subject says it all. I'm looking for the little coaxial power jack for the 718. I've searched Amazon and eBay. I don't want to spend $25 for a connector with a hunk of wire on it.?
?
The plug in the back Anderson power pole thingiee would be okay, but apparently there's some rather nasty ripoffs floating around.
?
Is there a Mouser part number handy?
?
Thanks..
?
Mike WB8VGE


Re: 60dbm Neptune Amplifier + or -

 

Hi Anaxi, I replied twice but the web page kept freezing towards the end of an extended post and I lost heart!
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It happens as soon as the radio is turned on.
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Connect mic only- all OK.
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Connect key only- all OK.
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Connect mic and key- OK to use key.
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Connect mic and key- PTT and it locks up for hours.
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This is on internal NiMh pack, various external battery packs, ProAudio Engineering PSU and other PSUs.
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This is with a selection of dummy loads including a Bird 300 watts example. Chokes everywhere didn't work.
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Because it only happened when I PTT, I naturally suspected the mic. I tried three Yaesu mics (one having a replacement Racal insert) but still no good. I would try a choke on the mic and different mics and think I had a cure, but then it would lock up again. Eventually I realised I was trying to cure the mic and so did not have the key connected. Sure enough, when I also connected a key it locked up on PTT. I tried a screened key lead and it seemed to work. Then it locked up again. I tried two chokes on the screened lead and it seemed OK, but then it locked up again. What I had failed to do was record the power levels whenever it happened and my "fix" nay have been at a lower power level. As of now I cannot be bothered with it any more. It's clearly an RF issue, but off grid on a dummy load? Really? I'm sick of this radio, no one should have to tolerate this, least of all all the folks who have had to put up with me going on about it.
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Phew!
--
Steve, G4VRR.


Re: 2024 Flight of the Bumblebees

 

Any contact from a POTA park counts as a POTA contact.? POTA has no required exchange.? Whether you are doing POTA or FOBB just upload everything to the POTA web site.
--
Mark
AA3K


Re: 60dbm Neptune Amplifier + or -

 

I’m still seeing such behavior on the IC-705 (different radio)... when on SSB/voice, randomly, when I press the PTT, I see the TX light on the amp, but as soon I say something the TX light turns off and stays off until I release the PPT and try again.

When using FT8/digital it seems to work 100% of time.


Re: 2024 Flight of the Bumblebees

 

Flight of the Bumblebees is now just 1 Week Away.? ??July 28th is nearly here.? ? ? ?21JUL24

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Bumblebee Number requests are still coming in.? As of this morning, there are 166 Bumblebees signed up to go out and operate portable in some fresh air location. ?The Bumblebees will be everywhere from Maine to California and Florida to Washington.? Not in every state, but pretty darn close.? We will also have Bumblebees in Canada, and at least two in a DX location.? They will be operating from mountain tops, parks, beaches, local fields, back yards, etc.

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Wow, that is sure a lot of Bumblebees for the FOBB Home Stations to find and work. ?Remember, you can work each Bumblebee once on each band that you can find them on.

And Bumblebee to Bumblebee contacts are rewarding when it comes to the Total Score.

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Bumblebees and POTA

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When the ARS was organized and the FOBB event was created back in the 1990-1995 time frame, the notion of getting out to operate a portable ham station was a novelty.?? With the popularity of POTA, that is not quite so novel today.

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It is not surprising that lots of folks who routinely Activate POTA have obtained a Bumblebee Number and have said they expect to be operating from a POTA park.? Remember that the FOBB event is a 5W QRP event and that you cannot rely on your vehicle for anything other than getting you there,?

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Some have indicated that they may split their time between being a POTA Activator and? being a Bumblebee.?? That is certainly acceptable.? As long as Bumblebees do not exceed 5W CW output , and they are not relying on their vehicle in any way, then all CW QSOs that they make from their portable location within the designated 4 hour FOBB window will count as FOBB 'Contacts'.

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Discussing this with one of my local club members who is a POTA Activator,, he replied:

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I think I'll prioritize to be a BB.? At some point in time I may devote an hour as a POTA operator.? After all I can be a POTA operator whenever I want, but being a BB only comes once a year.

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Give that come consideration.? Keep calling CQ BB during the 4 hour FOBB window..

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Also remember that being a FOBB Bumblebee or being a FOBB Home Station is a individual effort, not a team effort.

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Good Luck.? And have a good buzzy time.

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Adventure Radio Society – Rules are at :

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73,

Jody – K3JZD
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On Wed, Jul 17, 2024 at 12:47 PM, Jody - K3JZD wrote:

Based on some questions that ?I have received, I have added the following to the FOBB Rules on
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POTA/SOTA OPERATIONS AND HIGHER POWERED HUNTERS/CHASERS:
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Many of the Bumblebees have indicated that they will be operating from POTA or SOTA locations. ?
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Many Bumblebees have said that they will also be responding to POTA Hunters and/or SOTA Chasers.
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As long as a Bumblebee Number is sent in the Outgoing Exchange, that will be a Bumblebee FOBB Contact.?
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FOBB Home Stations are expected to be running 5W QRP.
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However most POTA Hunters and SOTA Chasers will be running more than 5W QRP.
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A Bumblebee should strive to obtain and log the Power of the POTA Hunter or SOTA Chaser.
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?However, that is not always going to be possible - do not dwell on it - move on.
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?(POTA Hunters and SOTA Chasers running more than 5W QRP cannot Submit FOBB Results)
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72,
Jody - K3JZD
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On Sun, Jul 14, 2024 at 08:46 PM, Jody - K3JZD wrote:

Flight of the Bumblebees is 2 Weeks Away.? ??July 28th will soon be here.??

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Bumblebee Number requests are still coming in.? As of today, there are 120 Bumblebees signed up to go out and operate portable in some fresh air location. ?The Bumblebees will be everywhere from Maine to California and Florida to Washington.? Not in every state, but pretty darn close.? We will also have Bumblebees in Canada, and at least one in a DX location.? They will be operating from mountain tops, parks, beaches, local fields, back yards, etc.

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Let me address this to the Home Stations:

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Your challenge is to work as many of these Bumblebees as possible using 5W CW.? On as many bands as possible.? You have the advantage of having better permanent antennas, but you may encounter pileups since Home Stations will outnumber Bumblebees..?

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You can work the same Bumblebee once on each band – each band will count as another Contact and another Bumblebee worked.?? While you can also work other Home Stations from your Home Station, the scoring is weighted toward working Bumblebees.

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Let me give you an example:

-????????? Working 1 Bumblebee and 9 other Home Stations results in a Total Score of 30?

-????????? Working 10 Bumblebees results in a Total Score of 300

Not everyone will be in it for the Score, but it is always nice to have bragging rights.

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Of course propagation will not support it, but with 120 Bumblebees, and 5 bands available (10-15-20-40-80), a Home Station theoretically has 600 Bumblebees out there to find and work.? Chasing Bumblebees will easily fill up the whole 4 hours of this event.

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Good Luck.? And have fun.

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Adventure Radio Society – Rules are at :

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73,

Jody – K3JZD


On Sun, Jun 30, 2024 at 05:54 AM, Jody - K3JZD wrote:

FT-817's set the world on fire for Portable QRP Operation.? ?Now would be a good time to get your FT-817/FT-818 out there and turn it into a Bumblebee !!?

2024 Flight of the Bumblebees

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The annual Flight of the Bumblebees will be held on Sunday, July 28, 2024.

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The event ?will be in a four hour daytime window, from 1700 to 2100 UTC.

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This casual QRP CW event consists of 'Bumblebees' who are operating portable stations at outdoor locations, and 'Home Stations' who try to work as many of these 'Bumblebees' as possible.

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This event is open to all operators.? Anywhere.? Being at the top of the sunspot cycle, this year's? event has the potential to be very interesting.

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Operators who want to go out and setup a portable station at some outdoor location, and be a highly sought after 'Bumblebee', need to obtain a "Bumblebee Number".?

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The window for obtaining your 2024 'Bumblebee Number' is now Open.

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The web site will explain the whole process.

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I'll be out there as a 'Bumblebee' - hoping to work you during the event.

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72,

Jody - K3JZD


Re: 60dbm Neptune Amplifier + or -

 

Hi Steve,

Long time since no groups.io-thread-interaction ?

...commencing about one month after the warranty expired.

That is a bummer...

I key the supplied Yaesu mic. and the RF collapses, and in my case it takes 6-8 hours before the radio is functional once again.

How often do you face this? Any clue of the scenarios (temp, uptime...) when it happens?

Have you established whether the zero output from the amplifier is caused by zero drive from the radio? Maybe try the amp with a different radio as well.

Excellent tip, I'll try with another radio. Is there any other thread where I can read more about that 818 RF drop issue? Or suggestions on how to debug such issue?

73 Anaxi, CS7BGW


Re: 60dbm Neptune Amplifier + or -

 

Strange behaviour but it is familiar to me with my '818 and has been a nagging issue for several years, commencing about one month after the warranty expired. I key the supplied Yaesu mic. and the RF collapses, and in my case it takes 6-8 hours before the radio is functional once again. It is possibly due to RF pick up via the morse key's lead, even into a dummy load and on off-grid power, and I still haven't found a solution that doesn't revert to this behaviour. Have you established whether the zero output from the amplifier is caused by zero drive from the radio? Maybe try the amp with a different radio as well.
--
Steve, G4VRR.