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Re: HELP 817 Off Freqency-WHOOPS 100Hz

 

--- In FT817@y..., "Richard B Drake" <rich@w...> wrote:
Oh my goodness man. 10 Hz at 50MHZ is .2 Parts Per Million (PPM) and 4Hz at
14MHZ is .28 PPM.
WHOOPS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Sorry guys I ment to write 100Hz.
It must be the holiday,
Bill W9WCR
Re: HELP 817 Off Freqency

 

Oh my goodness man. 10 Hz at 50MHZ is .2 Parts Per Million (PPM) and 4Hz at
14MHZ is .28 PPM. That's excellent considering the spec calls for 1 PPM. So
you are well within spec. You could perhaps achieve some improvement by
adding the optional TXCO but even that is only speced at .5 PPM, so you're
better than that. I think you are expecting lab standard accuracy from a
$700 transceiver - don't be silly.

----
73, Rich - W3ZJ

-----Original Message-----
From: baranger1@... [mailto:baranger1@...]
Sent: Monday, May 28, 2001 2:51 PM
To: FT817@...
Subject: [FT817] HELP 817 Off Freqency


I just noitced the display on my 817 reads 10Hz low on 6 meters and 4Hz
low+/- on the lower bands.
Does anyone know is there is a way to adjust this via software or the how
to adjust this via a trim
pot?
Its not off a lot but it does bug me!
Thanks,
Bill W9WCR



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HELP 817 Off Freqency

 

I just noitced the display on my 817 reads 10Hz low on 6 meters and 4Hz low+/- on the lower bands.
Does anyone know is there is a way to adjust this via software or the how to adjust this via a trim
pot?
Its not off a lot but it does bug me!
Thanks,
Bill W9WCR
Re: Birdies on VHF/UHF of the FT-817

[email protected]
 

I have noticed birdies on 70cm (432.625, 433.400, 434.175, 434.950, 435.725, 436.025 (strongest), 436.525, 437.300, 438.100, 438.900, 439.700) and so. They get weaker beyond 440 MHz. The ones on 436.025 MHz, 438.100 MHz and 438.900 MHz do open the squelch, all others are relatively weak. The 438.900 MHz is in particular annoying as it is a repeater output in Germany. The birdies are rather broad, resulting from the synthesizer and all occur with all antennas disconnected, PC switched off etc... I have noticed above birdies with 4 different units so far. I haven't checked VHF. It seems that we have to leave with these birdies so far or go back in time and carry the FT-290, FT-790, FT-690 and a K-2 over our shoulders.....Personally I prefer the FT-817, even with those birdies (and the other 29 on the shortwave bands...).

Tom DF2OO

Demetre Valaris - SV1UY wrote:

Hello all,
Has anyone found a fix or cure to this problem? I get quite a few
birdies on both VHF and UHF bands on my FT-817 when I use the rubber
duck antenna, and some are also present when you use an external
antenna or no antenna at all. Same thing happens when I put a 50 OHM
terminator on the BNC connector.
Has YAESU acknowledged this problem yet?
Has anyone noticed this problem or is it just me?
73 de Demetre SV1UY
Re: 1st Day with the ATX

[email protected]
 

Rich,

I'm glad that you and a couple of others have found the settings I
posted useful. On 10 - 17m I now use a 5m lockable steel measuring
tape. I went through the same procedure as before, noting down the
reading on the tape that gave best results. I didn't publish the
settings because I guess they might vary from one make of tape
measure to another.

Contrast this with the trouble I have had getting the MP-1 to work.
In view of the comments by others on this list that the MP-1 is the
best thing since sliced bread I have put in many more hours trying to
discover the secret but I have still not observed anything to suggest
it works more efficiently than the ATX in practice, and the best SWR
I can get on several bands is no better than 2.5:1.

Before anyone starts shouting at me for being obsessed with this SWR
issue let me share with you the results of some tests I did to
determine how the FT-817 reacts to high SWR.

On the 2.5W setting "L)))" the transceiver appears to put out the
full 2.5W regardless of SWR.

On the 5W setting full power is output up to three bars of SWR. As
soon as the fourth bar appears power is reduced by about 20%. When
the fifth bar appears power is reduced to about half.

So if you are running off the battery and accepting the default 2.5W
maximum power setting, and have a short co-ax feed, the SWR probably
doesn't matter very much and you can just tune by ear. On 5W however,
you should try to get 3 bars or less.

Julian, G4ILO
www.qsl.net/g4ilo

--- In FT817@y..., "Rich Casey (N5CSU)" <n5csu@y...> wrote:

After reading this newsgroup for quite a while, I ordered an ATX
last weekend from Great Britain. There was a knock at the door
Sunday
(!) afternoon- the postman delivering my ATX! I was heading over to
my YL's soon, so I grabbed my 817 (preprogrammed with loads of
freqs
via FTBasic), packed up everything into my $5 carrying case, and
took
it over to the YL's house. In her loft computer room, I plugged in
my
$3 power supply, and used a 90 degree connector to plug the ATX
into
the SO-239 on the back of the rig. I set out the whip length for 20
meters and the Radio Shack counterpoise length per Julian's
recommendations, and was happy to see a flat SWR.

I then checked into the Maritime Mobile Service Net freq (14.300)
on
first call. NCS at the time was in Alabama, I'm in Dallas. Later I
worked a Colo Springs ham on 20. Nicely built whip; will try it on
the other bands today.

Two points: the radio and antenna are loads of fun, and most, if
not
all, of the info I needed to make this work was received through
this
newsgroup. It is a GREAT resource for the 817 operator.

73
Rich/n5csu
Dallas TX

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Re: Loop antenna

Ray Goff
 

Hi,

I have just got back from a week in a hotel in Belgium where I have been
testing my 40-30-20m portable loop antenna with the FT817.

Scattered in the 350 or so emails waiting for me from this reflector was a
discussion thread on loop antennas, so I thought I would add my
experiences...

My loop consists of 16 feet of hook up wire in a diamond shape. Across the
diagonal of the diamond is a spreader made from three 20 inch lengths of
dowel which are fitted together to give 60 inches by pieces of plastic
tubing made from old felt-tip pens. Incidentally, twenty inches was chosen
because it fits into my suitcase.

At the top of the loop is the suspension point, made from a piece of MDF
about 3 inches square. This also mounts a three position slide switch switch
and four bee-hive trimmers. The feedpoint, at the bottom of the loop,
consists of a toroidal transformer housed in a 35mm film canister. The
aerial is fed from a length of 50 Ohm coax cable terminated in a BNC
connector.

The three position switch selects a different capacitor for each band (I
found I needed two in parallel for resonance on 40). At first I tried
paralleling the capacitors to tune the lower bands, but the tuning became
too interactive, so I now use different capacitors for each band.

By adjusting the turns ratio on the toroidal transformer I have been able to
achieve 1:1 SWR on all bands.

The aerial worked surprisingly well in Belgium, so I decided to test it
further in the WPX contest over the weekend. I hung it from the light
fitting in the ground floor kitchen of my house and worked loads of stations
on 40 and 20. Best DX on 20m was NW7R in Arizona, easily 7000 miles from my
QTH in Oxford, England. On 40, I worked several Asiatic Russian stations.
All with 5 Watts from the FT817...

You may also be interested to know that the aerial was originally resonated
at the QRP frequencies for each band, but during the contest I worked the
entire CW section of each band without bothering to retune.

If there is an interest in the aerial, I would be happy to write it up
further.

Ray g4fon

-----Original Message-----
From: Glyph [mailto:bbp@...]
Sent: 28 May 2001 01:28
To: FT817@...
Subject: Re: [FT817] Loop antenna


It would be interesting to design a "fold-up" loop of some sort that could
be very compact but expandable into a really efficient size. Of couse, the
design perameters usually call for a very good conductor with no purely
mechanical connections if at all possible. They're usually built out of
copper pipe (anyone got gold pipe?). Here's someone's mission impossible.

-- Bil KD6JUI

----- Original Message -----
From: Bill Walker <kd7jzb@...>
To: <FT817@...>
Sent: Wednesday, May 23, 2001 8:19 AM
Subject: Re: [FT817] Loop antenna


True, the efficiency of mine calculates to be around 35% at 14.1Mhz and of
course various factors will reduce it to less than that. The thing you
have
to remember is that it was designed to be small, not efficient. the actual
diameter of a 1/10 wave loop at this design frequency is less than 2 feet
3
inches. If you start getting larger in diameter the radiation pattern
changes from directional, on the plane of the loop, to omni-directional
then back to directional, perpendicular to the plane of the loop, as you
approach the diameter of a full wave loop. At 14.1Mhz the full wave loop
would not fit in the back of my pickup truck. :-)

72,

At 20:56 5/22/01 -0700, you wrote:
There are optimal loop sizes for various frequencies. Yours seems too
small
to have good radiation efficiency on 20 meters. Maybe 10 meters or 6
meters
would be optimal. I'm too lazy to look up the optimal sizes in the ARRL
antenna handbook.

I'm going on a 4-day fishing trip with my sons. They fish, I fish for
contacts. This will be my first time to really put the 817 through its
paces
with various field-type antennas -- specifically, hamsticks, G5RV-type
inverted V and 110' long wire with counterpoise. See ya at the lake!

-- Bil KD6JUI

----- Original Message -----
From: Bill Walker <kd7jzb@...>
To: <FT817@...>
Sent: Monday, May 21, 2001 11:10 PM
Subject: Re: [FT817] Loop antenna


Check out the following web page and brows the "Antennas" link for
"Small
HF Transmitting Loop Antennas".



Steve has a loop design program free to download which works very
well.
Actually loops are very simple to build. I have a 2 foot 6 inch
diameter
loop which tunes 20M thru 12M and appears to be comparable in
performance
to my half wave dipole.
After completing construction of my loop I set it on top of a cheap
camera
tripod in the shack about 4 feet above the floor and using my trusty
FT-817
at 5 watts, answered N8LWV calling CQ on 20M (ssb) from Grand Rapids
Michigan. I really didn't think he would hear me but he came back with
a
339 signal report! Not bad from Tucson Arizona!
I built my loop out of half inch soft copper tubing made for water
lines.
I
purchased the tubing at Home Depot in a 10 foot coil for a little over
$10.
The small 6 inch diameter primary loop is made from #6 copper wire.
I like my loop for portable operation like when I want to grab the
radio
and go to the park, and it seems to work pretty well 7 or 8 feet above
the
ground. I'm sure it would work better up higher, I use mine oriented
vertically. The loop has a very high Q resulting in a narrow bandwidth
of
only a few Khz. This means that you must retune the loop if you vary
your
frequency very much. This is fine when using CW or PSK31 but is to
narrow
for SSB unless you have a motorized tuning capacitor so that you can
retune
easily. I believe that MFJ has a loop with some form of automatic
tuning
mechanism which would help immensely but from what I remember they
want a
premium price for such an otherwise simple antenna. I spent less than
$20
building mine but I have to manually tune it.
If you are interested, let me know and I'll put some images on my web
page
for you to look at for ideas.

At 21:45 5/21/01 +0000, you wrote:
I remember an article some years back in PW that had a 2 merte loop
about 4 inches in diameter and it worked quite well.
Any one have a copy as I want to make a loop for 20metres for my
FT817. Any other ideas or perhaps we should have a group for portable
antennas.
Bill Walker - KD7JZB




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Newbie Question,

John Grow
 

Hello to all,

I just bought a FT817 yesterday, it great, I got it home, listened to some freq, then tackled the manual. I have two questions to ask the good persons on the group.

1. I'm having trouble to use the radio on 2 m FM, with some repeaters that I entered. I can't change the repeater shift. I'm following the manual, I believe. So far I have made a contact using the FT 817.

2. I bought some RS MiNh rechargable batteries. To use them and charge them in the radio, do I have to cut a wire. I have the Wall wart that goes with the FT 817. If I cut the wire, if I wanted to use another battery pack, will I still be able to do so.

I cheked the past postings, and I did not find anything that looked like it ould help me.

Regards,

John
Re: RT Systems Cat software is out!

 

--- In FT817@y..., "Brian Frobisher" <flingit@l...> wrote:
I paid the $25.00 and the $5.00 shipping.
Wanna know what I got?

BUGGY BETAWARE that does NOT work!
Yes, I got mine too. It is able to read the data from the radio, but when you try to send data back to the radio the program crashes every time. I've sent an e-mail to RT Systems tech support, but so far no response (although this could be because of the holiday...)
1st Day with the ATX

Rich Casey (N5CSU)
 

After reading this newsgroup for quite a while, I ordered an ATX
last weekend from Great Britain. There was a knock at the door Sunday
(!) afternoon- the postman delivering my ATX! I was heading over to
my YL's soon, so I grabbed my 817 (preprogrammed with loads of freqs
via FTBasic), packed up everything into my $5 carrying case, and took
it over to the YL's house. In her loft computer room, I plugged in my
$3 power supply, and used a 90 degree connector to plug the ATX into
the SO-239 on the back of the rig. I set out the whip length for 20
meters and the Radio Shack counterpoise length per Julian's
recommendations, and was happy to see a flat SWR.

I then checked into the Maritime Mobile Service Net freq (14.300) on
first call. NCS at the time was in Alabama, I'm in Dallas. Later I
worked a Colo Springs ham on 20. Nicely built whip; will try it on
the other bands today.

Two points: the radio and antenna are loads of fun, and most, if not
all, of the info I needed to make this work was received through this
newsgroup. It is a GREAT resource for the 817 operator.

73
Rich/n5csu
Dallas TX

PS: Check the Bookmarks list on this newsgroup for all links to the
items mentioned in this e-mail.
Re: Another Amp for the '817'

 

With regard to, no need for amps, last night I had my first opportunity to
operate my new FT-817 from aboard my boat (a 30 Ft Bayliner cruiser). Since
I don't have any HF antennas installed on there yet, I mounted a 20 meter
Maldol whip on the back of my Z11 tuner with a coax elbow and a BNC adaptor.
I set the tuner with the whip attached on top of the bridge (probably 6 or 7
feet above the water and draped an 11 foot radial over the captains chair
toward the stern letting the end just fall onto the fiberglass deck. Then I
went down into the cabin plugged FT-817 into a cigarette lighter jack (no
special wiring required for this little rig) to see if this would work at
all. As soon as I turned the power switch on, there was Dan, S52KA calling
CQ on 20 CW. Not really expecting him to hear me I answered his call and
much to my surprise and delight he came back and gave me a 579. I went on to
make several more DX contacts on 20 CW all of whom answered on the first
call. Yes there may be times when an amp would help but you aren't going to
just plug that into a cigarette lighter jack and what a thrill it is to do
it with 5 watts and a makeshift antenna!

---
73, Rich - W3ZJ

-----Original Message-----
From: Steve Hajducek [mailto:n2ckh@...]
Sent: Monday, May 28, 2001 8:16 AM
To: FT817@...
Subject: Re: [FT817] Another Amp for the '817'


At 08:37 AM 5/28/01 -0400, you wrote:
>Wow! This looks like THE amp for the '817' Full output from 2-30 mHz
with
>only .2watts of drive! Personally I like QRP fine but for those of you
>that MUST have an amp this looks like it would be GREAT!
>
>Check it out at:
>
>
>73, Paul K3PG
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Nah... To big, takes 380v etc., I'll stick with my Collins 204F as it is
light and
compact and runs off lower voltage and has more than enough output... hi
hi


/s/ Steve, N2CKH




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Re: Another Amp for the '817'

[email protected]
 

--- In FT817@y..., "Paul Gerhardt" <pgerhardt@h...> wrote:
Wow! This looks like THE amp for the '817' Full output from 2-30
mHz with
only .2watts of drive! Personally I like QRP fine but for those
of you
that MUST have an amp this looks like it would be GREAT!

Check it out at:

m

73, Paul K3PG
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Gee, I wonder, how long will it run from a 6 Ah gel-cel? Does it
include a charger? It looks like you could carry it on your bicycle...
Re: New Version of the RATS FT-817 GUI Available - It Has A New Look

 

-----Original Message-----
From: Don [mailto:k7ugq@...]
Sent: Monday, May 28, 2001 9:52 AM
To: FT817@...
Subject: Re: [FT817] Re: New Version of the RATS FT-817 GUI Available - It
Has A New Look

> The FT-817 does take a little getting used to, but so do the IC706,
> the FT-100, the FT-847, etc. and so will any program to control any
> of these radios. Personally, I really dislike some of the cryptic
> abbreviations that the manufacturers have used in the menus - but
> we're stuck with them until something better comes along.
>
> 73.
> Rick (VE3CVG)
>

Yes! Case in point, Intercept Point Optimization "IPO", which is really
just turning the preprocessor on and off but on is off and off is on. I
wonder if whoever came up with that one was standing on his head at the
time? But, as you say, it just takes a little getting used to :-)

73, Rich - W3ZJ
Single short counterpoise for FT-817

 

I have experimented with a single short counterpoise of 6metres in
length which I have found works well with the ATX walkabout on all
bands from 6m to 20m.

Julian in his message number 6378 mentions the whip lengths he found
for best swr using severate radials for each band, I have found the
exact same whip lengths as Julian using my single counterpoise.

For 40m and 80m my counterpoise is too short, however on the end is a
small crocodile clip which I attached later to a nearby wire fence
and then the ATX tuned great on 40m as per Julians message and also
with 8 sections whip length required on 80m.

The 5 amp crocodile clip, 8 amp insulated wire and male and female
bullet connectors for the counterpoise were all purchased very
cheaply from a nearby high street car accessory shop. Using the
bullet connectors I only have about 2" of wire attached full time to
the back of the Ft-817.

Regards

Philip G0ISW
Re: New Version of the RATS FT-817 GUI Available - It Has A New Look

Don
 

Well put Rick. Ay first I too was a little miffed. I wanted an exact
replica of the ft-817 on the screen. However, once I got over it I began to
enjoy the features I normally use.

----- Original Message -----
From: <ve3cvg@...>
To: <FT817@...>
Sent: Sunday, May 27, 2001 11:05 PM
Subject: [FT817] Re: New Version of the RATS FT-817 GUI Available - It Has A
New Look


Does it matter if the program looks like another radio, as long as it
is well layed out, looks presentable and performs well?

I like FTBasic. It works well, doesn't lock up my machine, has a nice
GUI, and the cost is trivial. Besides ... I know Bob Freeth will be
adding as many features as he can think of for the next while. Talk
about incredible value.

The FT-817 does take a little getting used to, but so do the IC706,
the FT-100, the FT-847, etc. and so will any program to control any
of these radios. Personally, I really dislike some of the cryptic
abbreviations that the manufacturers have used in the menus - but
we're stuck with them until something better comes along.

73.
Rick (VE3CVG)




--- In FT817@y..., "Steve Howell" <AB8JC@y...> wrote:
Am I the only person who thinks that it's amazing that users
of software sold for the FT-817 are being asked to learn the
physical interface (in plain English, the front panel) of
another rig?
Nope. I haven't had an HF rig in 10+ years, so I'm *definitely*
confused enough by the '817, let alone another rig!


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tokyo hy-power amp with LDG Z-11

 

is anyone using the tokyo hy-power HL-50B amp with the LDG Z-11 tuner? was
wondering what the output of the amp is before performing the attenuator
mods? i'd hate to fry the Z-11.
any info would be appreciated.

mike ac6ja
Re: Another Amp for the '817'

[email protected]
 

--- In FT817@y..., "Paul Gerhardt" <pgerhardt@h...> wrote:
Wow! This looks like THE amp for the '817'
Cool! I wonder if Target sells a bag to carry it? Also, do you
know if you can unsolder a jumper for full UHF/VHF TX?

7/3 =paul= w8kc
Another Amp for the '817'

 

Wow! This looks like THE amp for the '817' Full output from 2-30 mHz with only .2watts of drive! Personally I like QRP fine but for those of you that MUST have an amp this looks like it would be GREAT!

Check it out at:

73, Paul K3PG
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MFJ VHF WX Converter

Curtis, Tony
 

The postings about the MFJ WX converter jogged my memory so I dug around in
the junk box. I found a very small black box with a female BNC connector on
top and and a male BNC on the bottom and a three-position togle switch
labeled:

160-164 MHz
154-158 MHz
OFF

I believe it converts those frequency ranges to 144-148 MHz.

It measures 1.5" wide, 1.5" deep, and 2" tall. The clamshell case is held
toghether by four screws. Inside is one AAA battery.

The item is model MFJ-313 and probably is the converter we have been talking
about.

--Tony K3RXK
k3rxk@...
Re: Another Amp for the '817'

Steve Hajducek
 

At 08:37 AM 5/28/01 -0400, you wrote:
Wow! This looks like THE amp for the '817' Full output from 2-30 mHz with
only .2watts of drive! Personally I like QRP fine but for those of you
that MUST have an amp this looks like it would be GREAT!

Check it out at:


73, Paul K3PG
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Nah... To big, takes 380v etc., I'll stick with my Collins 204F as it is
light and
compact and runs off lower voltage and has more than enough output... hi hi


/s/ Steve, N2CKH
Re: New Version of the RATS FT-817 GUI Available - It Has A New Look

Mark A. Smith
 

The reason I decided to use the RATS FT-847 display for the RATS FT-817, and
deviate from my original plan to make each RATS interface look similar to
and function like the actual radio, was that I thought it might be better to
have most of the functions displayed on the radio face or menu for quicker
access.

I also asked for input during the development stage on what users preferred
for an interface for this radio, and most everyone wanted the full featured
display with dual frequency readouts for SPLIT, etc. Since the RATS FT-847
interface was already written I was able to use it and shorten the
development time by months. So that's my story, and I'm stickin to it.

To be honest, had I known in advance that Bob was going to write such a
fantastic program in FTBasic with all the features and price he has, I would
have skipped this project and spent more time with my family. Anyway it's
too late now, so I'll just keep doing the best I can with what I have.

73

Mark
KB5KYX

----- Original Message -----
From: <ve3cvg@...>
To: <FT817@...>
Sent: Sunday, May 27, 2001 10:05 PM
Subject: [FT817] Re: New Version of the RATS FT-817 GUI Available - It Has A
New Look


Does it matter if the program looks like another radio, as long as it
is well layed out, looks presentable and performs well?

I like FTBasic. It works well, doesn't lock up my machine, has a nice
GUI, and the cost is trivial. Besides ... I know Bob Freeth will be
adding as many features as he can think of for the next while. Talk
about incredible value.

The FT-817 does take a little getting used to, but so do the IC706,
the FT-100, the FT-847, etc. and so will any program to control any
of these radios. Personally, I really dislike some of the cryptic
abbreviations that the manufacturers have used in the menus - but
we're stuck with them until something better comes along.

73.
Rick (VE3CVG)




--- In FT817@y..., "Steve Howell" <AB8JC@y...> wrote:
Am I the only person who thinks that it's amazing that users
of software sold for the FT-817 are being asked to learn the
physical interface (in plain English, the front panel) of
another rig?
Nope. I haven't had an HF rig in 10+ years, so I'm *definitely*
confused enough by the '817, let alone another rig!


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