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Joe,

The following 40mm #031 profile cutter has cuts below the flat limiter edge.

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James

On Sat, Dec 7, 2024 at 1:49?PM bacchus6015 via <joeinno=[email protected]> wrote:
I agree that the proper limiter is better but if you are power feeding it is fine to use the flat limiter. If hand feeding then the proper limiter is a nice safety feature. ?

When talking about the 40mm knives for these particular cutter heads I don’t think any profiles have cuts below the flat limiter edge.? I think all profiles are from the flat limiter and out.

I remember struggling with getting knives and limiters for these cutter heads years ago.? I found that I could get knives from Guhdo or Felder at the time and Guhdo was much faster.? The knives and limiters were not widely available in the US around 2010 that I could find.? The fellow from Guhdo pointed out that I could use the flat limiter with any profile as long as power feeding and that was very helpful. ?

I had several of these cutter heads and would leave them set up, using flat limiters saved money.? I had two cutter heads set up for tongue and groove.
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Joe?

On Dec 7, 2024, at 10:25?AM, Brent via <dovetailtimber=[email protected]> wrote:

You could make the argument that it would be better than nothing, but only if absolutely no part of that straight knife protruded beyond any part of the cutters projection.? Best to have both made for eachother....


 

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James,

I stand corrected.

Joe?

On Dec 7, 2024, at 10:59?AM, James Zhu via groups.io <james.zhu2@...> wrote:

Joe,

The following 40mm #031 profile cutter has cuts below the flat limiter edge.

<IMG_5100.JPEG>

James

On Sat, Dec 7, 2024 at 1:49?PM bacchus6015 via??<joeinno=[email protected]> wrote:
I agree that the proper limiter is better but if you are power feeding it is fine to use the flat limiter. If hand feeding then the proper limiter is a nice safety feature. ?

When talking about the 40mm knives for these particular cutter heads I don’t think any profiles have cuts below the flat limiter edge.? I think all profiles are from the flat limiter and out.

I remember struggling with getting knives and limiters for these cutter heads years ago.? I found that I could get knives from Guhdo or Felder at the time and Guhdo was much faster.? The knives and limiters were not widely available in the US around 2010 that I could find.? The fellow from Guhdo pointed out that I could use the flat limiter with any profile as long as power feeding and that was very helpful. ?

I had several of these cutter heads and would leave them set up, using flat limiters saved money.? I had two cutter heads set up for tongue and groove.
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Joe?



 

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You can run whitehill's 55mm knives in those heads too.? Hundreds of profile options in M2 steel and somehow delivered to my place in southern Ontatio in 2-3 days fairly often if in stock.??


 

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Hi Brent,

Is this by ordering from Scott & Sargent?

Imran Malik

On Dec 7, 2024, at 4:33?PM, Brent via groups.io <dovetailtimber@...> wrote:

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You can run whitehill's 55mm knives in those heads too.? Hundreds of profile options in M2 steel and somehow delivered to my place in southern Ontatio in 2-3 days fairly often if in stock.??


 

No, directly from Whitehill.? I got a set of knives from them in 29 hours after notification of shipping!? That's not normal, it's more like 2-3 days as normal for me.? I'm 75mins away from Toronto, so fairly close to a big center which may help.
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Brent,

Please share a link of where you order from. I only see whitehill site from Luton, UK.

Imran Malik

On Dec 7, 2024, at 6:02?PM, Brent via groups.io <dovetailtimber@...> wrote:

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No, directly from Whitehill.? I got a set of knives from them in 29 hours after notification of shipping!? That's not normal, it's more like 2-3 days as normal for me.? I'm 75mins away from Toronto, so fairly close to a big center which may help.
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B


 

Yes, that's correct.? You can order through here, this is the tongue and groove section of their web site:
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You will have to set up a free account your first time, and then it's all pretty seamless.??
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Brent


 

Brent,

Are you saying whitehill's 55mm knives can be used on the cutter head for the standard 40mm Euro knives? Like this one?

Just want to clalifty, because you said the standard 40mm Euro knives does not work on whitehill's 125 x 55 mm cutter head? in the following video?

James



On Sat, Dec 7, 2024 at 4:33?PM Brent via <dovetailtimber=[email protected]> wrote:
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You can run whitehill's 55mm knives in those heads too.? Hundreds of profile options in M2 steel and somehow delivered to my place in southern Ontatio in 2-3 days fairly often if in stock.??


 

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That's correct, the 55mm knives will work in the Euroblocks (that term is technically reserved for the 40mm limiter blocks) as well as other blocks including the 125x55 limiter/combi heads but the 40mm "euroknives"? knives will not work in the 125x55 blocks as the projection is typically insufficient.
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B


 

The pin spacing and diameter are the same, and the knife will?technically fit in the heads, but too much is buried inside the head.? Those 40mm "three holers" are designed for the smaller "euroblocks".


 

Thanks for the confirmation. This could be a good selling point for whitehill's 55 mm knives. Whitehill never mentioned that on their?website

James


On Sat, Dec 7, 2024 at 7:55?PM Brent via <dovetailtimber=[email protected]> wrote:
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That's correct, the 55mm knives will work in the Euroblocks (that term is technically reserved for the 40mm limiter blocks) as well as other blocks including the 125x55 limiter/combi heads but the 40mm "euroknives"? knives will not work in the 125x55 blocks as the projection is typically insufficient.
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B


 

Yes, now I understand why 40mm euro?knives?do not work on whitehill's 125 x 55 cutter heads.

James


On Sat, Dec 7, 2024 at 8:02?PM Brent via <dovetailtimber=[email protected]> wrote:
The pin spacing and diameter are the same, and the knife will?technically fit in the heads, but too much is buried inside the head.? Those 40mm "three holers" are designed for the smaller "euroblocks".


 

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Thanks Brent. Looks like I will be ordering from UK, if I use this link.

Imran Malik

On Dec 7, 2024, at 6:53?PM, Brent via groups.io <dovetailtimber@...> wrote:

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Yes, that's correct.? You can order through here, this is the tongue and groove section of their web site:
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You will have to set up a free account your first time, and then it's all pretty seamless.??
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Brent


 

Imran,

I understand your concern. Hopefully?the shipping fees?from?Whitehill are not as outrageous as Felder's.?

I was told by Felder that the shipping fee is C$75 for the capacitor for my bandsaw from Mississauga to my home, 90 KM away.

James


On Sat, Dec 7, 2024 at 8:13?PM imranindiana via <imranindiana=[email protected]> wrote:
Thanks Brent. Looks like I will be ordering from UK, if I use this link.

Imran Malik

On Dec 7, 2024, at 6:53?PM, Brent via <dovetailtimber=[email protected]> wrote:

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Yes, that's correct.? You can order through here, this is the tongue and groove section of their web site:
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You will have to set up a free account your first time, and then it's all pretty seamless.??
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Brent


 

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This is very interesting. I kicked myself for buying Felder 40 mm block because I learned later that Felder 50 mm block can accommodate both 40 mm and 50 mm knives. The website still says, “Universal milling cutter made of steel for 40 mm and 50 mm profile knives”

Felder site does not say 50 mm knives can’t be used in 40 mm block, rather it says “suitable for 40 mm knives”. Somehow I made the conclusion that I can’t use 50 mm knives in my 40 mm block.


I understand that I am talking about 50 mm not 55 mm, maybe that makes a difference.

Any how, good to know that I can use 55 mm knives from Whitehill in my 40 mm Felder block and now wonder if it will also take Felder 50 mm knives.

Imran Malik

On Dec 7, 2024, at 8:05?PM, James Zhu via groups.io <james.zhu2@...> wrote:

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Yes, now I understand why 40mm euro?knives?do not work on whitehill's 125 x 55 cutter heads.

James

On Sat, Dec 7, 2024 at 8:02?PM Brent via <dovetailtimber=[email protected]> wrote:
The pin spacing and diameter are the same, and the knife will?technically fit in the heads, but too much is buried inside the head.? Those 40mm "three holers" are designed for the smaller "euroblocks".


 

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James,

I have ordered at least 2 times from Scott and Sargent and the shipping was around USD 75. On par with your domestic Felder shipping charge ?

Imran Malik

On Dec 7, 2024, at 8:28?PM, James Zhu via groups.io <james.zhu2@...> wrote:

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Imran,

I understand your concern. Hopefully?the shipping fees?from?Whitehill are not as outrageous as Felder's.?

I was told by Felder that the shipping fee is C$75 for the capacitor for my bandsaw from Mississauga to my home, 90 KM away.

James

On Sat, Dec 7, 2024 at 8:13?PM imranindiana via <imranindiana=[email protected]> wrote:
Thanks Brent. Looks like I will be ordering from UK, if I use this link.

Imran Malik

On Dec 7, 2024, at 6:53?PM, Brent via <dovetailtimber=[email protected]> wrote:

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Yes, that's correct.? You can order through here, this is the tongue and groove section of their web site:
?
You will have to set up a free account your first time, and then it's all pretty seamless.??
?
Brent


 

Imran,

Felder does not make the cutter head. They just rebranded the cutter head from other German or Swiss companies.

I am 100% sure the 50mm cutter can be used in the 40 mm cutter head because they have the same pin patterns.

I have the following 50 mm cutter head accepting both 40mm and 50mm knives. And will accept whitehill's 55mm knives too.


James

On Sat, Dec 7, 2024 at 8:29?PM imranindiana via <imranindiana=[email protected]> wrote:
This is very interesting. I kicked myself for buying Felder 40 mm block because I learned later that Felder 50 mm block can accommodate both 40 mm and 50 mm knives. The website still says, “Universal milling cutter made of steel for 40 mm and 50 mm profile knives”

Felder site does not say 50 mm knives can’t be used in 40 mm block, rather it says “suitable for 40 mm knives”. Somehow I made the conclusion that I can’t use 50 mm knives in my 40 mm block.


I understand that I am talking about 50 mm not 55 mm, maybe that makes a difference.

Any how, good to know that I can use 55 mm knives from Whitehill in my 40 mm Felder block and now wonder if it will also take Felder 50 mm knives.

Imran Malik

On Dec 7, 2024, at 8:05?PM, James Zhu via <james.zhu2=[email protected]> wrote:

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Yes, now I understand why 40mm euro?knives?do not work on whitehill's 125 x 55 cutter heads.

James

On Sat, Dec 7, 2024 at 8:02?PM Brent via <dovetailtimber=[email protected]> wrote:
The pin spacing and diameter are the same, and the knife will?technically fit in the heads, but too much is buried inside the head.? Those 40mm "three holers" are designed for the smaller "euroblocks".


 

Imran,

I think they do not say you can use 50 or 55 mm knives on 40 cutter heads because of the liability issue, because the knives are not fully backed by the cutter head.

James


On Sat, Dec 7, 2024 at 8:35?PM James Zhu via <james.zhu2=[email protected]> wrote:
Imran,

Felder does not make the cutter head. They just rebranded the cutter head from other German or Swiss companies.

I am 100% sure the 50mm cutter can be used in the 40 mm cutter head because they have the same pin patterns.

I have the following 50 mm cutter head accepting both 40mm and 50mm knives. And will accept whitehill's 55mm knives too.


James

On Sat, Dec 7, 2024 at 8:29?PM imranindiana via <imranindiana=[email protected]> wrote:
This is very interesting. I kicked myself for buying Felder 40 mm block because I learned later that Felder 50 mm block can accommodate both 40 mm and 50 mm knives. The website still says, “Universal milling cutter made of steel for 40 mm and 50 mm profile knives”

Felder site does not say 50 mm knives can’t be used in 40 mm block, rather it says “suitable for 40 mm knives”. Somehow I made the conclusion that I can’t use 50 mm knives in my 40 mm block.


I understand that I am talking about 50 mm not 55 mm, maybe that makes a difference.

Any how, good to know that I can use 55 mm knives from Whitehill in my 40 mm Felder block and now wonder if it will also take Felder 50 mm knives.

Imran Malik

On Dec 7, 2024, at 8:05?PM, James Zhu via <james.zhu2=[email protected]> wrote:

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Yes, now I understand why 40mm euro?knives?do not work on whitehill's 125 x 55 cutter heads.

James

On Sat, Dec 7, 2024 at 8:02?PM Brent via <dovetailtimber=[email protected]> wrote:
The pin spacing and diameter are the same, and the knife will?technically fit in the heads, but too much is buried inside the head.? Those 40mm "three holers" are designed for the smaller "euroblocks".


 

Imran, my last delivery of 4 sets of knives and limiters was 2 days to arrive from date of shipping and $80usd.? They don't ship regular mail anymore, only courier as there were too many problems.


 

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What's neat about the 55mm knives is you can often fit both cope and stick on one set of knives for cost savings.??