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Hello FOG members,
Could someone with an AD941 chime in on the proper assembly order for the support bar hardware. ?Felder shows one thing in the manual, but then supplies the bar with these “spacers” that came already on the threaded rod. ?Not sure if I remove these spacers or use them. ?You can see them circled in red. ?And, according to the manual, it appears that I don’t use the large washers at all. ?Maybe these were for shipping purposes only.?
Thank You,
Wade
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Wade,
I have AD741, I believe the support bar is the same as AD941's. The description on the manual is correct, it is sort of German English :)
James
Hello FOG members,
Could someone with an AD941 chime in on the proper assembly order for the support bar hardware.? Felder shows one thing in the manual, but then supplies the bar with these “spacers” that came already on the threaded rod.? Not sure if I remove these spacers or use them.? You can see them circled in red.? And, according to the manual, it appears that I don’t use the large washers at all.? Maybe these were for shipping purposes only.?
Thank You,
Wade
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James,
Thank you for your help. ?In that first picture, is that a split washer sitting between the casting and the nut? ?And it looks like you did use the larger washers in the second picture on the backside of the casting.
Thx,
Wade
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On Jun 30, 2023, at 7:33 PM, James Zhu <james.zhu2@...> wrote:
? Wade,
I have AD741, I believe the support bar is the same as AD941's. The description on the manual is correct, it is sort of German English :)
James Hello FOG members,
Could someone with an AD941 chime in on the proper assembly order for the support bar hardware.? Felder shows one thing in the manual, but then supplies the bar with these “spacers” that came already on the threaded rod.? Not sure if I remove these spacers or use them.? You can see them circled in red.? And, according to the manual, it appears that I don’t use the large washers at all.? Maybe these were for shipping purposes only.?
Thank You,
Wade
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Wade,
larger?washers are used on the backside of the casting. If my memory?serves me correctly, it is a washer (not a split washer) like the one in your picture sitting between the casting and the nut.?
James
James,
Thank you for your help.? In that first picture, is that a split washer sitting between the casting and the nut?? And it looks like you did use the larger washers in the second picture on the backside of the casting.
Thx,
Wade
? Wade,
I have AD741, I believe the support bar is the same as AD941's. The description on the manual is correct, it is sort of German English :)
James Hello FOG members,
Could someone with an AD941 chime in on the proper assembly order for the support bar hardware.? Felder shows one thing in the manual, but then supplies the bar with these “spacers” that came already on the threaded rod.? Not sure if I remove these spacers or use them.? You can see them circled in red.? And, according to the manual, it appears that I don’t use the large washers at all.? Maybe these were for shipping purposes only.?
Thank You,
Wade
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James,
The manual is showing the backside washers as being called ball socket 1 & 2. ?See picture, circled in red. ?No signs of the larger diameter washers being used. ?
The ball socket like washers have corresponding concave faces that fit into one another. ?Not sure why they have this shape to them. ?
Wade
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? Wade,
larger?washers are used on the backside of the casting. If my memory?serves me correctly, it is a washer (not a split washer) like the one in your picture sitting between the casting and the nut.?
James
James,
Thank you for your help.? In that first picture, is that a split washer sitting between the casting and the nut?? And it looks like you did use the larger washers in the second picture on the backside of the casting.
Thx,
Wade
? Wade,
I have AD741, I believe the support bar is the same as AD941's. The description on the manual is correct, it is sort of German English :)
James Hello FOG members,
Could someone with an AD941 chime in on the proper assembly order for the support bar hardware.? Felder shows one thing in the manual, but then supplies the bar with these “spacers” that came already on the threaded rod.? Not sure if I remove these spacers or use them.? You can see them circled in red.? And, according to the manual, it appears that I don’t use the large washers at all.? Maybe these were for shipping purposes only.?
Thank You,
Wade
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Wade,
Those are spherical washers. They are used when irregular surfaces are involved. They will shift relative to each other as opposed to deforming.
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On Jul 1, 2023, at 12:25 AM, Wade Dees <wjdsignature@...> wrote: ? James,
The manual is showing the backside washers as being called ball socket 1 & 2. ?See picture, circled in red. ?No signs of the larger diameter washers being used. ?
The ball socket like washers have corresponding concave faces that fit into one another. ?Not sure why they have this shape to them. ?
Wade
On Jun 30, 2023, at 8:49 PM, James Zhu <james.zhu2@...> wrote:
? Wade,
larger?washers are used on the backside of the casting. If my memory?serves me correctly, it is a washer (not a split washer) like the one in your picture sitting between the casting and the nut.?
James
James,
Thank you for your help.? In that first picture, is that a split washer sitting between the casting and the nut?? And it looks like you did use the larger washers in the second picture on the backside of the casting.
Thx,
Wade
? Wade,
I have AD741, I believe the support bar is the same as AD941's. The description on the manual is correct, it is sort of German English :)
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James Hello FOG members,
Could someone with an AD941 chime in on the proper assembly order for the support bar hardware.? Felder shows one thing in the manual, but then supplies the bar with these “spacers” that came already on the threaded rod.? Not sure if I remove these spacers or use them.? You can see them circled in red.? And, according to the manual, it appears that I don’t use the large washers at all.? Maybe these were for shipping purposes only.?
Thank You,
Wade
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I just received my AD941, and this is what I did (not that it is correct). I used the spacers to ensure a consistent distance for both the left and right attachment points, and I figured that would better ensure that the jointer fence was perpendicular to the cutterhead. I did not use the big washers on the backside but rather the two washers ("ball socket 1" and "ball socket 2") that have one side each that is concave/convex and fit effectively "inside" each other.  
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Wade,
I think the round bar was installed on my AD741 when it was delivered, that is why I cannot find the install instruction in the AD741 manual.
Felder might have adjusted the round bar installation. But either way, that is not?a major problem. You can just do what AD941 describes.
James?
James,
The manual is showing the backside washers as being called ball socket 1 & 2.? See picture, circled in red.? No signs of the larger diameter washers being used. ?
The ball socket like washers have corresponding concave faces that fit into one another.? Not sure why they have this shape to them. ?
Wade
 ? Wade,
larger?washers are used on the backside of the casting. If my memory?serves me correctly, it is a washer (not a split washer) like the one in your picture sitting between the casting and the nut.?
James
James,
Thank you for your help.? In that first picture, is that a split washer sitting between the casting and the nut?? And it looks like you did use the larger washers in the second picture on the backside of the casting.
Thx,
Wade
? Wade,
I have AD741, I believe the support bar is the same as AD941's. The description on the manual is correct, it is sort of German English :)
James Hello FOG members,
Could someone with an AD941 chime in on the proper assembly order for the support bar hardware.? Felder shows one thing in the manual, but then supplies the bar with these “spacers” that came already on the threaded rod.? Not sure if I remove these spacers or use them.? You can see them circled in red.? And, according to the manual, it appears that I don’t use the large washers at all.? Maybe these were for shipping purposes only.?
Thank You,
Wade
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Thanks Andy,
I’m leaning that way too. ?Seems logical.
How are you liking the machine??
Thx,
Wade
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?I just received my AD941, and this is what I did (not that it is correct). I used the spacers to ensure a consistent distance for both the left and right attachment points, and I figured that would better ensure that the jointer fence was perpendicular to the cutterhead. I did not use the big washers on the backside but rather the two washers ("ball socket 1" and "ball socket 2") that have one side each that is concave/convex and fit effectively "inside" each other. <IMG_3444.jpeg> <IMG_3443.jpeg>
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How are you liking the machine??
As everyone has said (and probably you have discovered too) the "instruction manual" (really...just diagrams) is only mildly helpful. I actually am getting my AD941 commissioned on Wed, 7/5, so I haven't put any wood through it yet and only got it operational in the last couple of days. But my impression of my first time with this level/quality of machine is...it is very "stout". Other than the silly, stamped metal piece that covers the cutterhead when you move the jointer fence...everything else about the machine just is heavy duty and has a quality feel I've not experienced (even, honestly, with my SawStop PCS table saw...which was my nicest machine up to this point).
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? Hello FOG,
A Felder Tech sent me this regarding the support bar hardware orientation install. ?A bit interesting to me. ?Didn’t see this being a possible layout.
“Here's the schematic for your machine. ? Look at the box enclosing the parts for the AD941. ?You can see the spacer is included in your machine. ?The cast iron would go between part numbers 12 and 13. ?I don't see the large washers anywhere. ?Perhaps they are for a different machine that uses some of the same parts and they made a generic set up for a few machines to use almost the same hardware but they included all the parts for them all. ?I would follow the schematics for the AD941 machine to be sure you are correct.”
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?I just received my AD941, and this is what I did (not that it is correct). I used the spacers to ensure a consistent distance for both the left and right attachment points, and I figured that would better ensure that the jointer fence was perpendicular to the cutterhead. I did not use the big washers on the backside but rather the two washers ("ball socket 1" and "ball socket 2") that have one side each that is concave/convex and fit effectively "inside" each other. <IMG_3444.jpeg> <IMG_3443.jpeg>
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Well tech isn’t quite right, the cast iron sits between #13 and #4, both spherical washers, #12 and #13 always go together on the same side. Other than that, the picture is what you want.
Brian Lamb
blamb11@...
www.lambtoolworks.com
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On Jul 5, 2023, at 6:49 AM, Wade Dees <wjdsignature@...> wrote:
? Hello FOG,
A Felder Tech sent me this regarding the support bar hardware orientation install. ?A bit interesting to me. ?Didn’t see this being a possible layout.
“Here's the schematic for your machine. ? Look at the box enclosing the parts for the AD941. ?You can see the spacer is included in your machine. ?The cast iron would go between part numbers 12 and 13. ?I don't see the large washers anywhere. ?Perhaps they are for a different machine that uses some of the same parts and they made a generic set up for a few machines to use almost the same hardware but they included all the parts for them all. ?I would follow the schematics for the AD941 machine to be sure you are correct.”
On Jul 1, 2023, at 5:39 AM, andy.pickler@... wrote:
?I just received my AD941, and this is what I did (not that it is correct). I used the spacers to ensure a consistent distance for both the left and right attachment points, and I figured that would better ensure that the jointer fence was perpendicular to the cutterhead. I did not use the big washers on the backside but rather the two washers ("ball socket 1" and "ball socket 2") that have one side each that is concave/convex and fit effectively "inside" each other. <IMG_3444.jpeg> <IMG_3443.jpeg>
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Brian,
You’re right, just doesn’t seem right doing it the other way. ?
Thx,
Wade
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On Jul 5, 2023, at 8:25 AM, Brian Lamb <blamb11@...> wrote:
? Well tech isn’t quite right, the cast iron sits between #13 and #4, both spherical washers, #12 and #13 always go together on the same side. Other than that, the picture is what you want.
Brian Lamb
blamb11@...
www.lambtoolworks.com
On Jul 5, 2023, at 6:49 AM, Wade Dees <wjdsignature@...> wrote:
? Hello FOG,
A Felder Tech sent me this regarding the support bar hardware orientation install. ?A bit interesting to me. ?Didn’t see this being a possible layout.
“Here's the schematic for your machine. ? Look at the box enclosing the parts for the AD941. ?You can see the spacer is included in your machine. ?The cast iron would go between part numbers 12 and 13. ?I don't see the large washers anywhere. ?Perhaps they are for a different machine that uses some of the same parts and they made a generic set up for a few machines to use almost the same hardware but they included all the parts for them all. ?I would follow the schematics for the AD941 machine to be sure you are correct.”
On Jul 1, 2023, at 5:39 AM, andy.pickler@... wrote:
?I just received my AD941, and this is what I did (not that it is correct). I used the spacers to ensure a consistent distance for both the left and right attachment points, and I figured that would better ensure that the jointer fence was perpendicular to the cutterhead. I did not use the big washers on the backside but rather the two washers ("ball socket 1" and "ball socket 2") that have one side each that is concave/convex and fit effectively "inside" each other. <IMG_3444.jpeg> <IMG_3443.jpeg>
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Andy Pickler