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I am curious if anyone has found a comparable edge sander to the Hammer offering. I ordered an HS 950 months ago and have been waiting for it to ship. I have contacted Felder and get nothing but crickets. To make matters worse, twice now the machine has gone on sale. The first time it did, I asked if I could have the new price (since it was still on backorder) and I was told basically NO but they could hook me up on discounts on future consumables. The price is now the lowest I have seen it ($1995) so I sent them an email asking them to meet the price or cancel my order and refund my deposit. Obviously, if I had already received the machine and it had then gone on sale, I would just have to chalk it up to bad timing on my part. At any rate, would be interested if anyone has other edge sanders they might recommend. Thanks.
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In my last shop I had the Grissly version at about the same price point. I bought the HS950 when I moved. I had no issues with the Grizz, and see no real advantage to the Hammer. In fact the Grizzly had handy storage underneath that I will have to build for the Hammer.
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On Jul 3, 2023, at 10:51, Larry <larry@...> wrote:
?I am curious if anyone has found a comparable edge sander to the Hammer offering. I ordered an HS 950 months ago and have been waiting for it to ship. I have contacted Felder and get nothing but crickets. To make matters worse, twice now the machine has gone on sale. The first time it did, I asked if I could have the new price (since it was still on backorder) and I was told basically NO but they could hook me up on discounts on future consumables. The price is now the lowest I have seen it ($1995) so I sent them an email asking them to meet the price or cancel my order and refund my deposit. Obviously, if I had already received the machine and it had then gone on sale, I would just have to chalk it up to bad timing on my part. At any rate, would be interested if anyone has other edge sanders they might recommend. Thanks.
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This is the mother of all edge sanders. It's the one you want if you have room and it's not going in a basement LoL. Probably the most used machine in my shop.
 Jason Holtz
J. Holtz Furniture
3307 Snelling Ave. South Minneapolis, MN 55406
612 432-2765 -- Jason J. Holtz Furniture 3307 Snelling Ave. South Minneapolis, MN 55406
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I did a lot of research before I bought my HS950.? The Grizzly sanders are an inexpensive option at all levels.? They have copies of different machines such as the Jet basic edge sander and even the giant Powermatic sander.? However, the problem with Grizzly edge sanders is that the platen is basically made from sheet metal.? There have been several unhappy customers that received Grizzly edge sanders where the platen is bent out of shape and alignment.? The solution to fix this is to start yanking on the sheet metal to bend it back into alignment.? It's really not an accurate machine.
The next best edge sander on the market compared to HS950 is the Baileigh ES-6100:
The Baileigh ES-6100 is definitely a copy of the Hammer HS-950. It even oscillates the belt using the same mechanism.? On both the HS950 and the Baleigh, the platen is made from a 1/2" thick piece of steel? (NOT sheet metal, lol).? I have found my HS950 to be super accurate for edge sanding as well as sanding 45 degree miter corners with the Felder miter gauge.
The Baleigh is not a 100% copy, though. There are several items where the Hammer HS-950 is better.
- Better table height adjustment - only one clamp to loosen and table remains perfectly level as you adjust up and down (this is important when the platen is adjusted down at an angle). Baileigh requires two clamp knobs and you need to make sure to keep the table perfectly level when adjusting up and down.
- Better dust collection. Hammer essentially has a 5" dust port (120mm). Baileigh has 4" dust port.
- Better motor. Hammer has a 3HP 2.2kw 12.4A (based on motor plate). Beileigh specifications say 2HP 1.5kw 9.5A.
- More stable stand? Hammer base/stand extends to the full width/length of the machine. Baileigh stand is smaller.
- Better miter gauge (although you have to buy this extra, the miter gauge is much better than what comes with the Baileigh).
There may be several other things on the Hammer that just "feel" better, but I haven't used the Baileigh so I can't comment. So, Hammer is a better machine, but you are going to spend about a $1,000 more (especially when you add in the accessory miter gauge).
That being said, a couple of points for the Baileigh:
- Has an edge support shoe that can be mounted to the table for edge support when using the sander fully 0 degrees flat
- Has a bit of storage available in the base (although you could build your own storage base on the Hammer.
One of the big advantages of the HS950 / Baleigh is the angle adjustment.? Most edge sanders will allow you to adjust the angle of the table down to a max of 45 degrees.? On the HS950/Baleigh machines, the platen is adjusted down instead.? This allows you to sand an angle that is more extreme than 45 degrees.? The platen on these machines will actually lay down flat to where it is parallel with the cast iron table.
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Man, that?Ekstrom/Carlson?looks like a beast!!!
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If I were after a new edge sander, I would definitely buy a Ritter. ?I owned one for 15 years and loved it. Built like a tank - 700+ pounds. ?Made in Michigan. ?Here is the version that makes the most sense IMO, but they offer other models/sizes as well:
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On Jul 3, 2023, at 12:33 PM, Aaron Inami <ainami@...> wrote:
I did a lot of research before I bought my HS950.? The Grizzly sanders are an inexpensive option at all levels.? They have copies of different machines such as the Jet basic edge sander and even the giant Powermatic sander.? However, the problem with Grizzly edge sanders is that the platen is basically made from sheet metal.? There have been several unhappy customers that received Grizzly edge sanders where the platen is bent out of shape and alignment.? The solution to fix this is to start yanking on the sheet metal to bend it back into alignment.? It's really not an accurate machine).
The next best edge sander on the market compared to HS950 is the Baileigh ES-6100:
The Baileigh ES-6100 is definitely a copy of the Hammer HS-950. It even oscillates the belt using the same mechanism.? On both the HS950 and the Baleigh, the platen is made from a 1/2" thick piece of steel? (NOT sheet metal, lol).? I have found my HS950 to be super accurate for edge sanding as well as sanding 45 degree miter corners with the Felder miter gauge.
The Baleigh is not a 100% copy, though. There are several items where the Hammer HS-950 is better.
- Better table height adjustment - only one clamp to loosen and table remains perfectly level as you adjust up and down (this is important when the platen is adjusted down at an angle). Baileigh requires two clamp knobs and you need to make sure to keep the table perfectly level when adjusting up and down.
- Better dust collection. Hammer essentially has a 5" dust port (120mm). Baileigh has 4" dust port.
- Better motor. Hammer has a 3HP 2.2kw 12.4A (based on motor plate). Beileigh specifications say 2HP 1.5kw 9.5A.
- More stable stand? Hammer base/stand extends to the full width/length of the machine. Baileigh stand is smaller.
- Better miter gauge (although you have to buy this extra, the miter gauge is much better than what comes with the Baileigh).
There may be several other things on the Hammer that just "feel" better, but I haven't used the Baileigh so I can't comment. So, Hammer is a better machine, but you are going to spend about a $1,000 more (especially when you add in the accessory miter gauge).
That being said, a couple of points for the Baileigh:
- Has an edge support shoe that can be mounted to the table for edge support when using the sander fully 0 degrees flat
- Has a bit of storage available in the base (although you could build your own storage base on the Hammer.
One of the big advantages of the HS950 / Baleigh is the angle adjustment.? Most edge sanders will allow you to adjust the angle of the table down to a max of 45 degrees.? On the HS950/Baleigh machines, the platen is adjusted down instead.? This allows you to sand an angle that is more extreme than 45 degrees.? The platen on these machines will actually lay down flat to where it is parallel with the cast iron table.?
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My Oakley H48 is less massive but still about 2000 lbs.?? In my world the keys to edge sanders are a stout flat table and a stout platen that doesn't have twist or can't be induced to deform under pressure.? The two also need to maintain 90 degrees without
fiddling. My Oakley has a 7" platen and I wish for 8" but life is a compromise.
Dave
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Man, that thing looks like a beast!!!
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The each patten on the Ekstrom Carlson is 8" x 54", thickly ribbed cast iron. The previous owner of my machine drilled and tapped a 2"x 1.5" extension on the top side enabling me to run a 10" belt if I needed to. I had the plattens Blanchard ground on the biggest machine in town (84" diameter if I recall correctly) since they are so large.? The oscillation mechanism is like an old steam locomotive. Very cool to watch. This machine gets used for shaping parts of course, but jointing veneer is one of my favorite uses for it.?? Jason Holtz
J. Holtz Furniture
3307 Snelling Ave. South
Minneapolis, MN 55406
612.432.2765 -- Jason J. Holtz Furniture 3307 Snelling Ave. South Minneapolis, MN 55406
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Jason...can we see some video of the locomotive in action?
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On Mon, Jul 3, 2023 at 8:01 PM Jason Holtz < jholtzy@...> wrote: The each patten on the Ekstrom Carlson is 8" x 54", thickly ribbed cast iron. The previous owner of my machine drilled and tapped a 2"x 1.5" extension on the top side enabling me to run a 10" belt if I needed to. I had the plattens Blanchard ground on the biggest machine in town (84" diameter if I recall correctly) since they are so large.? The oscillation mechanism is like an old steam locomotive. Very cool to watch. This machine gets used for shaping parts of course, but jointing veneer is one of my favorite uses for it.?? Jason Holtz
J. Holtz Furniture
612.432.2765
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I have three edge sanders on my wish list. I have an HS950.? It is fine at the price point.? The oscillation is minimal.
- Houfek HB1000 with all the options,??
- Got a quote to the US in 240v 60hz.? Full featured and 1300 pounds! Smaller main table than the Rehnen.
- Rehnen SK-2.???
- Got a quote from Highland automation.? Similar price as the Houfek.? Missing some features from the Houfek.? Same weight as the Houfek.? No spindle sander.? Does not tilt.
- kundig Uniq.??
- Twice the price of the other two with no options.? Amazing reputation.? The spindle sander is underwhelming based on feedback from owners.
Hoping to see more at AWFS. Any thoughts? PK
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PK:
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I like your edge sander list! But just in case you are not acquainted with Wadkin spindle sanders, you should buy the Kundig and then complement it with a Wadkin spindle sander like the JY or JTA. My JTA is
from the 1940s and is the machine in my shop that gives me the biggest smile…
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The solid, machined disc is 16mm thick, and weighs on the order of 70kg. It comes with three and a stand to hold the two ready for use. The machine sounds like the Starship Enterprise galivanting around the
universe and takes 18 minutes to come to a complete stop after turning off. On the spindle side, the mechanism, including oscillation underneath consists of enormous solid bronze gears, and there is an oil bath with original rope wick. Dust extraction is cast
into the table itself which is very cool. The bloody thing (don’t mind the swearing as this baby is English!) was made to drip oil out the bottom. Both tables tilt to 45 degrees.
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Mine does not have original switchgear unfortunately, but this machine is simply glorious. I LOVE IT!
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I have three edge sanders on my wish list.
I have an HS950.? It is fine at the price point.? The oscillation is minimal.
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Houfek HB1000 with all the options,??
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Got a quote to the US in 240v 60hz.? Full featured and 1300 pounds! Smaller main table than the Rehnen.
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Rehnen SK-2.???
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Got a quote from Highland automation.? Similar price as the Houfek.? Missing some features from the Houfek.? Same weight as the Houfek.? No spindle sander.? Does not tilt.
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kundig Uniq.??
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Twice the price of the other two with no options.? Amazing reputation.? The spindle sander is underwhelming based on feedback from owners.
Hoping to see more at AWFS.
Any thoughts?
PK
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PK I like your list, however I have one to add,?
Volpato LBK200
I have seen a Volpato sander here in a joinery workshop, the sander must be at least from 1960. very solidly built.?
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Wadkin made some wonderful machines.? Here in the US, Kindt Collins Master Sanders were the top of the chain.? They didn't make a combo machine though.? Oliver made one similar to your Wadkin.? I find I use the disk about 1000-1 to the spindle but good to have.
Dave
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PK:
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I like your edge sander list! But just in case you are not acquainted with Wadkin spindle sanders, you should buy the Kundig and then complement it with a Wadkin spindle sander like the JY or JTA. My JTA
is from the 1940s and is the machine in my shop that gives me the biggest smile…
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The solid, machined disc is 16mm thick, and weighs on the order of 70kg. It comes with three and a stand to hold the two ready for use. The machine sounds like the Starship Enterprise galivanting around
the universe and takes 18 minutes to come to a complete stop after turning off. On the spindle side, the mechanism, including oscillation underneath consists of enormous solid bronze gears, and there is an oil bath with original rope wick. Dust extraction
is cast into the table itself which is very cool. The bloody thing (don’t mind the swearing as this baby is English!) was made to drip oil out the bottom. Both tables tilt to 45 degrees.
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Mine does not have original switchgear unfortunately, but this machine is simply glorious. I LOVE IT!
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I have three edge sanders on my wish list.
I have an HS950.? It is fine at the price point.? The oscillation is minimal.
- Houfek HB1000 with all the options,??
- Got a quote to the US in 240v 60hz.? Full featured and 1300 pounds! Smaller main table than the Rehnen.
- Rehnen SK-2.???
- Got a quote from Highland automation.? Similar price as the Houfek.? Missing some features from the Houfek.? Same weight as the Houfek.? No spindle sander.? Does not tilt.
- kundig Uniq.??
- Twice the price of the other two with no options.? Amazing reputation.? The spindle sander is underwhelming based on feedback from owners.
Hoping to see more at AWFS.
Any thoughts?
PK
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That's a beauty Lucky! Our disc sander and spindle sander are very lackluster in comparison.
Jason Jason Holtz
J. Holtz Furniture
3307 Snelling Ave. South Minneapolis, MN 55406
612 432-2765 -- Jason J. Holtz Furniture 3307 Snelling Ave. South Minneapolis, MN 55406
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Next time I have to pull the #2800 machine away from the wall for lubrication I will take one. I unfortunately don't have a spot for this beast to utilize both sides at once and the dust collection dictated the cast iron doors that hide the works are facing the wall. Jason Holtz
J. Holtz Furniture
3307 Snelling Ave. South Minneapolis, MN 55406
612 432-2765 -- Jason J. Holtz Furniture 3307 Snelling Ave. South Minneapolis, MN 55406
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If you build furniture than one of these fancy edge sanders would be handy BUT if you have high quality machines and the ability to use them than they are wasted space.? I have some of these machines master 24”? Kalamazoo 6” and early PC 4” forget the name all old and rebuilt and modified with special igus XY tables ?pretty much metal working only. Designing and building for 50 years
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On Jul 4, 2023, at 9:00 AM, Jason Holtz <jholtzy@...> wrote:
? Next time I have to pull the #2800 machine away from the wall for lubrication I will take one. I unfortunately don't have a spot for this beast to utilize both sides at once and the dust collection dictated the cast iron doors that hide the works are facing the wall. Jason Holtz
J. Holtz Furniture
3307 Snelling Ave. South Minneapolis, MN 55406
612 432-2765 -- Jason J. Holtz Furniture 3307 Snelling Ave. South Minneapolis, MN 55406
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David,
That is a beast!? I like how you slipped in buying the Kundig plus the Wadkin.? Quite the salesman!
PK
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On OSS, I have a friend with one of these massive edge sanders. ?Wow what a dust cloud maker but he likes being able to have long boards in contact with the sandpaper at once, especially to make a slight taper. ?I like the edge sander design that has the jointer like function where you can sand the edge of infinite long boards by pushing the board along the table and adjust the amount of removal. ?Machines of this design seem way easier to have good dust collection. ?I see that on the Kundig, Langzauner and others... example being one of the Baleigh sanders, but with the Baleigh I do not think there is a way to auto feed the wood. ?I know very little about the Baleigh. ?
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