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Hi Larry,
I cannot say if this is 100% true but Felder machines I have helped with have overload protection. My KF700, Dual51 and K975 do have this protection. I am also not sure if my RL125 or FD250 have any such protection, will need to investigate.
I wired my shop myself and had it inspected. I went towards the safe side if I was not sure to avoid any issues during inspection. The CB is to protect the wire as a short could occur between the CB and the machine which would not be protected by the machine overload protection.
If your work is done by a licensed electrician then they should know best.
I recently helped someone with Hammer. If you open the switch box, you will see a 10-16A slide switch (or something similar depending upon motor size). Check label of your motor to determine FLA. Measure machine current during idle and then switch meter to max setting. Make a heavy cut to stall the motor. Check current on the meter. If it is under FLA+ 2A and total is under 16A then may adjust the slide switch to match the current. May help you avoid nuisance trips.
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On Feb 5, 2025, at 3:07?PM, Larry Long Neck via groups.io <longneckwood@...> wrote: ? Imran,
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Do you know what kind of/if any overload protection these machines have? I'm curious about the mention of fuses in the distribution box. If you were to just use a distribution block and go from say 8awg 3phase input (coming out of PTE010) to 10awg 3phase output to a 10hp machine without any fuses in the mix, are you aware of any issues with that set up?
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I can only think of the machine being overloaded and drawing too much current over the 10awg but not enough to trip the breaker on the other side of the 8awg.
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Do these machines have overload protection built in to prevent this from happening? I have had my hammer a3-31 turn itself off plenty of times when taking too big of a bite on a wide board, so I would imagine they have something.
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Larry Long Neck
Just a noob trying to learn the ways of wood
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Re: Replacement of internal dust hose is K3 Hammer slider
Hi Brian, I'm away from my shop for a bit, but would like to give this print a try when I get back, so can you forward the .stl? thanks!
I had some time yesterday and using the sketch provided by Jim, I redesignedd the duct adapter. I can provide the stl file if someone wants to try it themselves, I can print one, but have no machine to try it on. You will need to install two 5mm heatserts as I designed it so that no hose clamp around the rectangular portion will be necessary. It uses two 5mm x 45mm long bolts to pinch the adaper onto t he sheetmetal portion.
I'm attaching a 3D PDF file, you have to download it then open it and you should be able to view and rotate from any angle.
On Monday, February 3, 2025 at 01:57:03 PM MST, ibsenafshar < brian@...> wrote:
1999 C3-31 uses 100mm hose. If an adapter as is being discussed became available I would buy one.?
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Joe Slater
michigan
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Imran,
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Do you know what kind of/if any overload protection these machines have? I'm curious about the mention of fuses in the distribution box. If you were to just use a distribution block and go from say 8awg 3phase input (coming out of PTE010) to 10awg 3phase output to a 10hp machine without any fuses in the mix, are you aware of any issues with that set up?
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I can only think of the machine being overloaded and drawing too much current over the 10awg but not enough to trip the breaker on the other side of the 8awg.
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Do these machines have overload protection built in to prevent this from happening? I have had my hammer a3-31 turn itself off plenty of times when taking too big of a bite on a wide board, so I would imagine they have something.
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Larry Long Neck
Just a noob trying to learn the ways of wood
> Making youtube videos now!
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Hi Doug,
You have a disconnect at the machine so, no issue with servicing the machine. I only shared because you asked but I personally would not use such device. It would be an absolute pain to switchover every time I switch machine.
I may have missed it, but if not mentioned already I would like to add. If a single run is made directly from PP to the machines then the wiring needs to be rated to the PP breaker size. If you add a subpanel or distribution box with fuses then the heavy cable is only between PP and the box or panel. Downstream circuits then are wired according to their fuse size. I have a 30A, 20A & 10A 3 phase run from my distribution box. Obviously, the run from the circuit breaker in main panel to the PP also is per breaker size.
I am not a licensed electrician and codes do change somewhat based upon location. Hopefully, someone will correct if I am mistaken.
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On Feb 5, 2025, at 2:26?PM, Doug Speck via groups.io <speckde@...> wrote: ? On Wed, Feb 5, 2025 at 08:32 AM, imranindiana wrote:
It is not needed but if you absolutely would like a change over (one machine powered at one time) something like this could be used.
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They are very common and do offer one benefit. They will remove power from downstream circuits. Remember that single phase voltage will be provided by the phase perfect to the downstream circuits even when it is not running. My unit is old but I believe new ones work the same way.
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This is what I was envisioning.
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In the case of single phase voltage being passed through whether running the machine or not, what is the risk? ?Obviously, you have a live circuit, but is there something else?
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Doug
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I'm actually curious what would happen if say the main motor was off but the machine itself was still powered on (LCD screens, lights, etc) and you turned that switch. I would imagine it would arc?
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Larry Long Neck
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Larry, Thanks for pointing out. Something¡¯s are obvious to me but never hurts to spell it out. In OP¡¯s application, I cannot imagine NOT switching one machine off prior to turning on the next machine.
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On Feb 5, 2025, at 2:30?PM, Larry Long Neck via groups.io <longneckwood@...> wrote: ? Be aware too that the switch in that link is listed as not being made for load breaking. I'm not knowledgeable enough to know what would happen if you switched it while a machine was powered on, but for disconnect switches, I always look for ones rated for load breaking.
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Larry Long Neck
Just a noob trying to learn the ways of wood
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Re: Replacement of internal dust hose is K3 Hammer slider
I had probably 4-5 years of experience with Alibre before Fusion came out. At that point changing over became kind of a waste for me, plus, I own this software and have no internet requirements to use it.
Brian Lamb blamb11@... lambtoolworks.com
On Wednesday, February 5, 2025 at 12:26:28 PM MST, Michael Marsico via groups.io <michael.marsico1@...> wrote:
I have been trying to learn Fusion360, still at it!! ?
From: [email protected] <[email protected]> On Behalf Of Brian Lamb via groups.io
Sent: Wednesday, February 5, 2025 2:24 PM
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: [FOG] Replacement of internal dust hose is K3 Hammer slider ? The CAD software I use is Alibre Pro and it has the feature of turning any 3D design into a? 3D PDF. Works great for sending a real "representation" of what you are designing. On Wednesday, February 5, 2025 at 12:21:01 PM MST, Michael Marsico via groups.io <michael.marsico1@...> wrote: I know this is off topic but that is pretty cool.?? I did not know you could insert a 3D image in a PDF ? ? I had some time yesterday and using the sketch provided by Jim, I redesignedd the duct adapter. I can provide the stl file if someone wants to try it themselves, I can print one, but have no machine to try it on. You will need to install two 5mm heatserts as I designed it so that no hose clamp around the rectangular portion will be necessary. It uses two 5mm x 45mm long bolts to pinch the adaper onto t he sheetmetal portion. I'm attaching a 3D PDF file, you have to download it then open it and you should be able to view and rotate from any angle. On Monday, February 3, 2025 at 01:57:03 PM MST, ibsenafshar <brian@...> wrote: 1999 C3-31 uses 100mm hose. If an adapter as is being discussed became available I would buy one.?
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Michael Marsico
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Re: Replacement of internal dust hose is K3 Hammer slider
I am going thru this Fusion 360 course available for $99 at Udemy. I did not do an exhaustive search but find it fine for a beginner. There is a 30 day refund option and you can preview 5 to 6 classes prior to purchase. Author speaks slowly, so I use 1.5X speed. PY attention as there is also a lower price like $14.99 but that is if you sign up for a monthly plan.
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On Feb 5, 2025, at 2:26?PM, Michael Marsico via groups.io <michael.marsico1@...> wrote:
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I have been trying to learn Fusion360, still at it!!
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The CAD software I use is Alibre Pro and it has the feature of turning any 3D design into a? 3D PDF. Works great for sending a real "representation" of what you are designing.
On Wednesday, February 5, 2025 at 12:21:01 PM MST, Michael Marsico via groups.io <michael.marsico1@...> wrote:
I know this is off topic but that is pretty cool.?? I did not know you could insert a 3D image in a PDF
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I had some time yesterday and using the sketch provided by Jim, I redesignedd the duct adapter. I can provide the stl file if someone wants to try it themselves, I can print one, but have no machine to try it on. You will need to install two 5mm heatserts as I designed it so that no hose clamp around the rectangular portion will be necessary. It uses two 5mm x 45mm long bolts to pinch the adaper onto t he sheetmetal portion.
I'm attaching a 3D PDF file, you have to download it then open it and you should be able to view and rotate from any angle.
On Monday, February 3, 2025 at 01:57:03 PM MST, ibsenafshar <brian@...> wrote:
1999 C3-31 uses 100mm hose. If an adapter as is being discussed became available I would buy one.?
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Michael Marsico
Be aware too that the switch in that link is listed as not being made for load breaking. I'm not knowledgeable enough to know what would happen if you switched it while a machine was powered on, but for disconnect switches, I always look for ones rated for load breaking.
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Larry Long Neck
Just a noob trying to learn the ways of wood
> Making youtube videos now!
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On Wed, Feb 5, 2025 at 08:32 AM, imranindiana wrote:
It is not needed but if you absolutely would like a change over (one machine powered at one time) something like this could be used.
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They are very common and do offer one benefit. They will remove power from downstream circuits. Remember that single phase voltage will be provided by the phase perfect to the downstream circuits even when it is not running. My unit is old but I believe new ones work the same way.
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This is what I was envisioning.
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In the case of single phase voltage being passed through whether running the machine or not, what is the risk? ?Obviously, you have a live circuit, but is there something else?
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Thank you,
Doug
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Re: Replacement of internal dust hose is K3 Hammer slider
I have been trying to learn Fusion360, still at it!! ?
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From: [email protected] <[email protected]> On Behalf Of Brian Lamb via groups.io
Sent: Wednesday, February 5, 2025 2:24 PM
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: [FOG] Replacement of internal dust hose is K3 Hammer slider? The CAD software I use is Alibre Pro and it has the feature of turning any 3D design into a? 3D PDF. Works great for sending a real "representation" of what you are designing. On Wednesday, February 5, 2025 at 12:21:01 PM MST, Michael Marsico via groups.io <michael.marsico1@...> wrote: I know this is off topic but that is pretty cool.?? I did not know you could insert a 3D image in a PDF ? ? I had some time yesterday and using the sketch provided by Jim, I redesignedd the duct adapter. I can provide the stl file if someone wants to try it themselves, I can print one, but have no machine to try it on. You will need to install two 5mm heatserts as I designed it so that no hose clamp around the rectangular portion will be necessary. It uses two 5mm x 45mm long bolts to pinch the adaper onto t he sheetmetal portion. I'm attaching a 3D PDF file, you have to download it then open it and you should be able to view and rotate from any angle. On Monday, February 3, 2025 at 01:57:03 PM MST, ibsenafshar <brian@...> wrote: 1999 C3-31 uses 100mm hose. If an adapter as is being discussed became available I would buy one.? -- Michael Marsico
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Re: Replacement of internal dust hose is K3 Hammer slider
The CAD software I use is Alibre Pro and it has the feature of turning any 3D design into a? 3D PDF. Works great for sending a real "representation" of what you are designing.
Brian Lamb blamb11@... lambtoolworks.com
On Wednesday, February 5, 2025 at 12:21:01 PM MST, Michael Marsico via groups.io <michael.marsico1@...> wrote:
I know this is off topic but that is pretty cool.?? I did not know you could insert a 3D image in a PDF ?
From: [email protected] <[email protected]> On Behalf Of Brian Lamb via groups.io
Sent: Wednesday, February 5, 2025 10:35 AM
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: [FOG] Replacement of internal dust hose is K3 Hammer slider ? I had some time yesterday and using the sketch provided by Jim, I redesignedd the duct adapter. I can provide the stl file if someone wants to try it themselves, I can print one, but have no machine to try it on. You will need to install two 5mm heatserts as I designed it so that no hose clamp around the rectangular portion will be necessary. It uses two 5mm x 45mm long bolts to pinch the adaper onto t he sheetmetal portion. I'm attaching a 3D PDF file, you have to download it then open it and you should be able to view and rotate from any angle. On Monday, February 3, 2025 at 01:57:03 PM MST, ibsenafshar <brian@...> wrote: 1999 C3-31 uses 100mm hose. If an adapter as is being discussed became available I would buy one.?
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Michael Marsico
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Re: Replacement of internal dust hose is K3 Hammer slider
I know this is off topic but that is pretty cool.?? I did not know you could insert a 3D image in a PDF ?
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From: [email protected] <[email protected]> On Behalf Of Brian Lamb via groups.io
Sent: Wednesday, February 5, 2025 10:35 AM
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: [FOG] Replacement of internal dust hose is K3 Hammer slider? I had some time yesterday and using the sketch provided by Jim, I redesignedd the duct adapter. I can provide the stl file if someone wants to try it themselves, I can print one, but have no machine to try it on. You will need to install two 5mm heatserts as I designed it so that no hose clamp around the rectangular portion will be necessary. It uses two 5mm x 45mm long bolts to pinch the adaper onto t he sheetmetal portion. I'm attaching a 3D PDF file, you have to download it then open it and you should be able to view and rotate from any angle. On Monday, February 3, 2025 at 01:57:03 PM MST, ibsenafshar <brian@...> wrote: 1999 C3-31 uses 100mm hose. If an adapter as is being discussed became available I would buy one.? -- Michael Marsico
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#forsale K700 Professional and FB 610 (Seattle)
#forsale
Hi guys,
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Started out as a casual woodworker years ago - my wife bought me a Jet lathe and it was a slippery slope from there. ?A few years ago I decided to give it a go as a business on the side.
Had a few good customers and built some nice cabinets, but decided that career isn't right for me.
Over the last year as I've wrapped up personal projects I've made the decision to sell most of my equipment. ?
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Starting with the big stuff which includes the above mentioned K700.
The K700 I purchased late 2021 from Felder with specs as follows:
1 ST 425-70000 Saw unit with double trunnion for saw blade
dia. 250-315 mm
Cutting height max. 104 mm, saw blade tilt
with handwheel 90¡ã-45¡ã, saw spindle dia.30mm
speed 4800 rpm
1 ST 424-70019 Cutting width 800 mm with additional table
long for K 700 (S)
1 ST 425-10000 Machine Base K 700
Min transport width 980 mm
1 ST 424-30033 Packing STANDARD 2100 x 1200 mm IPPC
1 ST 425-70030 Removable flange for dado blade
for max. D- 229 mm x b-20 mm
1 ST 423-70025+1 Circular saw fence with fine adjustment
Round bar guide with ruler
1 ST 425-70025 Overhead saw guard (rip capacity 800 mm),
hood for 90¡ã and hood for angled cuts are
height-adjustable and can be pivoted away fr
the working area, saw blade diameter 315mm,
Vacuum connector D-80 mm
1 ST 423-70015 Dial for saw blade angle in handwheel
1 ST 430-20069 Sliding table, Table length 2050 mm
Anodised
1 ST 424-50033 On and off switch on the
sliding table
1 ST 424-11002 1 ST 424-11009 Outrigger table 1300 for cutting length 1300
2500 mm, Table size 950 x 640 mm
424-70024 Crosscut fence 2600 mm (102") with mounting
set for for outrigger 1300/1500
1 ST 430-20019 Mitre Indexing System For Outrigger
1 ST 430-20021+1 Crosscut Fence 1100 Mm
1 ST 430-20022 Inch scales for crosscut fence 1100
1 ST 430-20020 Inch scales for crosscut fence 2600
1 ST Inchscale for parallel cutting width 31 1/2"
1 ST 424-40616 Electrical system 1x230V, 60Hz, 3kW S1
CE/US
1 ST 424-40602 60 Hz motor frequency
1 ST 500-33004 USA - Sticker set K3
1 ST POWER1 **** ATTENTION ***
The electrical system of this machine is
suited for 1x230 V +/-10% (207 V - 253 V)
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I added Mac's Airtight clamp setup which was a game changer, the Felder outrigger cart and also the Lamb Parallel guides.
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For just the saw (no Airtight clamps or Lamb guides) I'd like to get $9,500. ?
With all the extras - $12,500.
Not willing to part with any of the accessories before the saw is sold.
This would be for local pickup unless the buyer arranges shipping. ?I'm located about 30 miles north of Seattle, WA.
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Re: Replacement of internal dust hose is K3 Hammer slider
I did 100mm which is 3.937", so either will work. I'm printing one now, will be done tomorrow am.
Brian Lamb blamb11@... lambtoolworks.com
On Wednesday, February 5, 2025 at 10:12:49 AM MST, Jim Fleming via groups.io <jameshfleming@...> wrote:
The redesign looks great.? The heatserts and bolts will make installation easier and more secure.? What hose diameter does it use - 4" or 100mm?
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Karl.
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I did it almost the same as you did but the shop has 200amps and I now have a PTE015r.
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The main panel with the 125amp breaker for the PP:
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The PP PTE015R is right outside on the back side of the main panel.? This is my Siemens 3PH panel:
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I wired the machines with separate circuits and breakers.? I just had to pull new wire through the conduit for my new saw - needed 40 amps - and then moved the dust collector to an outside building so I needed to fill the last breaker spot in the panel.
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Overkill yes, but no drama anymore.? I have since taken some advice from the NEC and used the proper wire colors/tape for each of the three phases.? Black, Blue and Red.
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PK
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Sal, I do the same thing. When ripping narrower pieces from a wider board I do a similar thing - joint, rip, joint, rip.
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My understanding is that the machines draw little power when just idling.
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Re: Replacement of internal dust hose is K3 Hammer slider
The redesign looks great.? The heatserts and bolts will make installation easier and more secure.? What hose diameter does it use - 4" or 100mm?
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I find that whenever resawing multiples from a single board, it is convenient to have both the jointer and bandsaw running at the same time. This is to eliminate the need to power them on and off as the rough face from the band saw is jointed after each resaw.
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Sal
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"Wiring direct means your machine could draw more than its rated amperage, and all wire needs to be supportive of your full output amperage."
Just to clarify on this point, wiring direct from your PP to a machine would require the wire from the PP Output to a machine to be rated for full ampacity. So on a PTE010, means each machine would need to be like 8AWG Copper, so would get expensive fast if you had any long runs, vs some 12AWG copper for a 4Kw motor for example.
That said, I always recommend consulting an electrican if your not certain, as random people (me included) on the internet don't have liability if you have an electrical fault that causes a fire, or breaks a machine!
-Karl
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imran
joe slater
Larry Long Neck
PK
Jim Fleming