Re: Couple more questions
5) I would purchase both an 1 1/4¡± and 30mm spindle so you can share grooving tools and saw blades with the saw
Sorry to butt in, BUT - I¡¯ve never understood why someone would buy two spindles just to get access to both 30mm and 1?¡± tooling. ?Changing spindles is a PITA. ?Whereas adapting 1?¡± tooling to a 30mm spindle with the use of inexpensive top-hat-style bushings is less expensive and easier on the back. ?Two examples:
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Re: Couple more questions
Hi Ray, there are a few reasons I wouldn¡¯t buy the C3, I went with a B3 & A3 setup
1) the saw rip fence is now the the fence from the K3 Basic, and when mounted on the jointer outfeed table it only reaches to approximately the Center of the blade. It also isn¡¯t the standard saw fence extrusion so it doesn¡¯t have the same high/low capability as a standard saw fence
2) rip capacity is 900mm which is fine for me, may not be for you
3) the shaper spindle doesn¡¯t tilt, that¡¯s a real issue for me
4) the C3 really needs a square shaped shop as you need access on 4 sides as opposed to 3 for 2 function machines
5) I would purchase both an 1 1/4¡± and 30mm spindle so you can share grooving tools and saw blades with the saw
Regards, Rod
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Re: Couple more questions
Hi Ray -?? I have a C3-31, the measuring tapes on the floor are an 8' square. I left about 16" of measuring tape on the J/P side, as the C3-41 is a larger machine. 
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Hi All,
What is the minimum workspace size necessary to support a C3-41? Trying to decide if it will fit.
Thanks
Ray
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Re: AD941 dust hose attachment
Thanks Chris and Brian for the Solidworks info. ?- Scott Hanna
On Fri, Jun 30, 2023 at 12:55?PM Chris Reyerson < reyerson@...> wrote:
The subscription version of Solidworks is very similar to the full blown version, from my point of view there is no difference.??
Chris
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Re: AD941 dust hose attachment
Well, the files you create in the ¡°Makers¡± version can only be used in the Makers version, you can¡¯t import/export them to other platforms or softwares. You can export .stp or .iges files and use them elsewhere, but they will be ¡°dumb¡±, no feature tree or ability to modify with any sort of intelligence. It is also a cloud based software, you only rent the right to use it and have to pay monthly or yearly.
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The subscription version of Solidworks is very similar to the full blown version, from my point of view there is no difference.??
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Re: Cf741 rip fence issues
Hi Simon,
I can¡¯t tell how far off the part is from ¡°flat¡± from the photo. ?But it looks like there may be enough material to machine the part so that it is flat. ?This might be an option if a replacement is not available. ?I am also wondering if part of the problem might be how it is attached to the base. ?Was it originally too wide where it is bolted to the base, and squeezed into place, causing the bend. ?It looks like a piece of cast steel or cast iron. ?They are prone to breakage if they are stressed too much, but they will bend, to a point.
Good luck,
Alex
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On Jun 30, 2023, at 4:00 AM, smo_motion via groups.io <smo_motion@...> wrote:
Hi there,
We have noticed that our casting on this 2007 cf741s rip fence is massively out of square. Is this by design??
Thanks
Simon
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The subscription version of Solidworks is very similar to the full blown version, from my point of view there is no difference.??
Chris
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Re: Cf741 rip fence issues th
Simon The interesting thing is how is something like this missed for 16 years. I don¡¯t know if this is still a current part I would replace as it is Lilly to be screwed up in two axis. Mac,, Designing and building for 50 years
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On Jun 30, 2023, at 6:38 AM, Wade Dees <wjdsignature@...> wrote:
? Yes, that unfortunately looks pretty severe. On Jun 30, 2023, at 4:31 AM, Simon Ballard via groups.io <smo_motion@...> wrote:
?Hi Wade, yes I do mean not flat. Thanks for the clarification. Although we only noticed this because after undoing the hand screws and pulling the extrusion back, the fence was out of square with the blade.? On Fri, 30 Jun 2023 at 12:17, Wade Dees <wjdsignature@...> wrote: Simon,
Do you mean not flat, rather than out of square? ?
Wade On Jun 30, 2023, at 4:00 AM, smo_motion via groups.io <smo_motion@...> wrote:
?Hi there, We have noticed that our casting on this 2007 cf741s rip fence is massively out of square. Is this by design?? Thanks Simon <20230630_115557.jpg>
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Yes, that unfortunately looks pretty severe.
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On Jun 30, 2023, at 4:31 AM, Simon Ballard via groups.io <smo_motion@...> wrote:
?Hi Wade, yes I do mean not flat. Thanks for the clarification. Although we only noticed this because after undoing the hand screws and pulling the extrusion back, the fence was out of square with the blade.? On Fri, 30 Jun 2023 at 12:17, Wade Dees <wjdsignature@...> wrote: Simon,
Do you mean not flat, rather than out of square? ?
Wade On Jun 30, 2023, at 4:00 AM, smo_motion via groups.io <smo_motion@...> wrote:
?Hi there, We have noticed that our casting on this 2007 cf741s rip fence is massively out of square. Is this by design?? Thanks Simon 
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Hi Wade, yes I do mean not flat. Thanks for the clarification. Although we only noticed this because after undoing the hand screws and pulling the extrusion back, the fence was out of square with the blade.?
On Fri, 30 Jun 2023 at 12:17, Wade Dees <wjdsignature@...> wrote: Simon,
Do you mean not flat, rather than out of square? ?
Wade On Jun 30, 2023, at 4:00 AM, smo_motion via groups.io <smo_motion@...> wrote:
?Hi there, We have noticed that our casting on this 2007 cf741s rip fence is massively out of square. Is this by design?? Thanks Simon 
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Re: Cf741 rip fence issues
Simon,
Do you mean not flat, rather than out of square? ?
Wade
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?Hi there, We have noticed that our casting on this 2007 cf741s rip fence is massively out of square. Is this by design?? Thanks Simon 
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Hi there, We have noticed that our casting on this 2007 cf741s rip fence is massively out of square. Is this by design?? Thanks Simon 
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On Jun 29, 2023, at 11:30 AM, Tom Gensmer <tom@...> wrote:
Another resource to consider, depending on your needs, is Oneida Air. They sell metal adapters that fit Imperial hoses sizes and Metric machine ports:??
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Re: #electrical Shopping list for ceiling drops
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Joel,
Are those black things on the ceiling sound absorbing panels? ?
Thx,
Wade
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Shopping list Wire from Home Depot. ?May have to be ordered in 150 ft rolls of 10-4. ?It is in stock at some stores, but very few. Leviton Plugs Troughs and "C" brackets from McMaster Carr Please see attached photos. ?I did a recent shop remodel to add space to the shop. ?First was the duct work. ?Then, the troughs for the 10-4 to the 3-phase machines. ?One end the disconnect at the wall, the other end to a plug which plugs into the machine as shown. The power cords travel as drop downs either velcro or zip tied to the drop down duct work. ?Also along the troughs I run the Ecogate wire. I used a lot of clips as shown so if I want to make changes not a big deal. ?Also helping is that I have all things with Brother P-touch labels at different points making it easy to know what cord and what Ecogate wire is for which machine.
     
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Wire from Home Depot. ?May have to be ordered in 150 ft rolls of 10-4. ?It is in stock at some stores, but very few.
Leviton Plugs
Troughs and "C" brackets from McMaster Carr
Please see attached photos. ?I did a recent shop remodel to add space to the shop. ?First was the duct work. ?Then, the troughs for the 10-4 to the 3-phase machines. ?One end the disconnect at the wall, the other end to a plug which plugs into the machine as shown.
The power cords travel as drop downs either velcro or zip tied to the drop down duct work. ?Also along the troughs I run the Ecogate wire. I used a lot of clips as shown so if I want to make changes not a big deal. ?Also helping is that I have all things with Brother P-touch labels at different points making it easy to know what cord and what Ecogate wire is for which machine.
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David and Mac,?
Thank you, this is?exactly what I was looking for, much appreciated!?
Best,?
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Re: 3 phase high leg placement
Hi, the issue is to determine which 2 phases the control power supplies for the machine are connected to, you want those two lines connected to the non manufactured line of the phase converter.
If you have a true digital phase converter (rectifier/inverter) then it doesn¡¯t matter, if you have a rotary converter it does matter.
You can check the drawing for your machine however I normally use a DVM to verify it.
1) unplug the machine, or open the breaker in the distribution panel
2) using AC Volts on the meter verify that you have no power in the machine
3) close (Turn on) the disconnect switch for the machine
4) using Ohms function on the DVM measure Phase A to Phase B, Phase A to phase C, and Phase B to Phase C
5) only one of those pairs will have continuity, maybe 10 to 100 ohms, this pair is the one with the control power supplies, it must be fed from the non manufactured line
6) you now need to either one of the control power leads in the machine to the non manufactured phase or reverse one pair of phases in the machine plug (doesn¡¯t matter which pair)
7) If your machine motor goes backwards after changing the plug above, interchange one pair of wires going to the motor to reverse rotation, it doesn¡¯t matter which pair.
Regards, Rod
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Re: 3 phase high leg placement
Chris i had to change the high leg on my F700z but cannot for the life of me find my notes. ? If you call tech support in DE they can tell you which leg it should be on - when i got mine they asked me to check it and said it is common for the factory to send new machines with the high leg on the wrong terminal.? Mine was so it was a quick change
Thanks for that, Mark. If anyone has machine specific info for high leg placement for the RL160, F700Z or Exact 51 please let me know. Thanks?
On Jun 29, 2023, at 12:06 PM, mark thomas < murkyd@...> wrote:
I don't know the specifics of those machines.
Yes, the "manufactured" leg is the "high leg".? Brief summary of the issue here.
We typically refer to the three phase conductors as L1, L2, and L3.? Assume L3 is the manufactured leg.
1) Motors only "see" the voltage from one leg to another, so it sees three voltages:? L1:L2, L2:L3, and L1:L3.? In an ideal system, these three voltages are 240V.? Note that there is no "high leg" here from phase-to-phase.? ? Normal utility supplied power is "ideal", as is a Phase Perfect converter.? Rotary phase converters are not ideal, and you will see some voltage variations between L2:L3 and L1:L3.? However, on a quality commercial (vs home made) rotary, the variation will not be enough to bother the motor.? So machines that only have motors and simple switches are unaffected by how the legs are connected.? ?I
2) The "high leg" is not a reference to the voltages between the 3 phase conductors, but rather to the voltages from a phase conductor to a neutral (if present) or to ground. Since motors don't use neutral or ground, this doesn't affect them.
3) Some things other than motors, most importantly electronic controls, can be sensitive to voltages out of standard range.? ?So on machines that have such things, you want them to be connected to L1 and L2 (these components don't use all 3 phases)? Hence manufacturers identify which of the phases are good for controls and which are not (ie, say connect the manufactured leg to brown, etc)?
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Thanks for that, Mark. If anyone has machine specific info for high leg placement for the RL160, F700Z or Exact 51 please let me know. Thanks?
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On Jun 29, 2023, at 12:06 PM, mark thomas < murkyd@...> wrote:
I don't know the specifics of those machines.
Yes, the "manufactured" leg is the "high leg".? Brief summary of the issue here.
We typically refer to the three phase conductors as L1, L2, and L3.? Assume L3 is the manufactured leg.
1) Motors only "see" the voltage from one leg to another, so it sees three voltages:? L1:L2, L2:L3, and L1:L3.? In an ideal system, these three voltages are 240V.? Note that there is no "high leg" here from phase-to-phase.? ? Normal utility supplied power is "ideal", as is a Phase Perfect converter.? Rotary phase converters are not ideal, and you will see some voltage variations between L2:L3 and L1:L3.? However, on a quality commercial (vs home made) rotary, the variation will not be enough to bother the motor.? So machines that only have motors and simple switches are unaffected by how the legs are connected.? ?I
2) The "high leg" is not a reference to the voltages between the 3 phase conductors, but rather to the voltages from a phase conductor to a neutral (if present) or to ground. Since motors don't use neutral or ground, this doesn't affect them.
3) Some things other than motors, most importantly electronic controls, can be sensitive to voltages out of standard range.? ?So on machines that have such things, you want them to be connected to L1 and L2 (these components don't use all 3 phases)? Hence manufacturers identify which of the phases are good for controls and which are not (ie, say connect the manufactured leg to brown, etc)?
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