Re: Couple more questions
I use a lot of bushings even though all my shafts change very quickly. Most of my runs are short. If a long run I change the shaft. One place I don¡¯t like to use bushings is stacked cutters like door sets and adjustable groovers. Using bushings on these gets confusing and prone to getting a spun cutter. If you need to bush these it¡¯s better to use an unthreaded sleeve.
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Re: AD941 installing fence support bar
Wade,
larger?washers are used on the backside of the casting. If my memory?serves me correctly, it is a washer (not a split washer) like the one in your picture sitting between the casting and the nut.?
James
James,
Thank you for your help.? In that first picture, is that a split washer sitting between the casting and the nut?? And it looks like you did use the larger washers in the second picture on the backside of the casting.
Thx,
Wade
? Wade,
I have AD741, I believe the support bar is the same as AD941's. The description on the manual is correct, it is sort of German English :)
James Hello FOG members,
Could someone with an AD941 chime in on the proper assembly order for the support bar hardware.? Felder shows one thing in the manual, but then supplies the bar with these ¡°spacers¡± that came already on the threaded rod.? Not sure if I remove these spacers or use them.? You can see them circled in red.? And, according to the manual, it appears that I don¡¯t use the large washers at all.? Maybe these were for shipping purposes only.?
Thank You,
Wade
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Re: AD941 installing fence support bar
James,
Thank you for your help. ?In that first picture, is that a split washer sitting between the casting and the nut? ?And it looks like you did use the larger washers in the second picture on the backside of the casting.
Thx,
Wade
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On Jun 30, 2023, at 7:33 PM, James Zhu <james.zhu2@...> wrote:
? Wade,
I have AD741, I believe the support bar is the same as AD941's. The description on the manual is correct, it is sort of German English :)
James Hello FOG members,
Could someone with an AD941 chime in on the proper assembly order for the support bar hardware.? Felder shows one thing in the manual, but then supplies the bar with these ¡°spacers¡± that came already on the threaded rod.? Not sure if I remove these spacers or use them.? You can see them circled in red.? And, according to the manual, it appears that I don¡¯t use the large washers at all.? Maybe these were for shipping purposes only.?
Thank You,
Wade
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Re: Couple more questions
Thanks for the illustration, David. That makes sense to me.
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Larry Long Neck
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Re: Couple more questions
I guess we have different definitions of ¡°PITA¡±. ? ??
Same is true on the Profil 45 - loosen two kipp levers and the spindle comes out the top. ?Compared to having cutter bushing - total PITA IMO.
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On Jun 30, 2023, at 8:07 PM, rodsheridan <riderofgallifrey@...> wrote:
Hi David, on the C3 the spindles come out the top of the machine when you remove the tooling clamp bolt, certainly not a pain at all¡¡Regards, Rod
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Re: Couple more questions
IMO, exact height is not important. ?But you do want the cutter bushed-out from the spindle top and bottom if it¡¯s a single cutter. ?So in your example, I wouldn¡¯t be concerned about the 10mm gap between the bushings. ?
In the case of a stack of multiple cutters, my rule of thumb (totally unscientific) is that each cutter should ?have bushing contact across 60 percent of its height. ? Below is a visual representation of what I mean and the rules I follow.
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On Jun 30, 2023, at 5:02 PM, Larry Long Neck <longneckwood@...> wrote:
Thanks for the input, Mac.
How about something like a 60mm tall rebate cutter that is a single, solid block. If you had 25mm top hat bushings on both the top and the bottom, would the 10mm gap in the middle be a concern? I suppose that I'm wondering how important it is to try and find an exact height match set of bushings for each cutter, compared to using a set that is "close enough" (whatever that may be).
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Hi David, on the C3 the spindles come out the top of the machine when you remove the tooling clamp bolt, certainly not a pain at all¡¡Regards, Rod
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Re: AD941 installing fence support bar
Wade,
I have AD741, I believe the support bar is the same as AD941's. The description on the manual is correct, it is sort of German English :)
James
Hello FOG members,
Could someone with an AD941 chime in on the proper assembly order for the support bar hardware.? Felder shows one thing in the manual, but then supplies the bar with these ¡°spacers¡± that came already on the threaded rod.? Not sure if I remove these spacers or use them.? You can see them circled in red.? And, according to the manual, it appears that I don¡¯t use the large washers at all.? Maybe these were for shipping purposes only.?
Thank You,
Wade
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That would be fine my bushings are on 10 mm increments some longer.? You want your package to be tight. Most important thing to pay attention to is everything is clean and no burrs treat these parts like treasures? Designing and building for 50 years
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On Jun 30, 2023, at 7:02 PM, Larry Long Neck <longneckwood@...> wrote:
?Thanks for the input, Mac.
How about something like a 60mm tall rebate cutter that is a single, solid block. If you had 25mm top hat bushings on both the top and the bottom, would the 10mm gap in the middle be a concern? I suppose that I'm wondering how important it is to try and find an exact height match set of bushings for each cutter, compared to using a set that is "close enough" (whatever that may be).
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Larry Long Neck
Just a noob trying to learn the ways of wood
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AD941 installing fence support bar
Hello FOG members,
Could someone with an AD941 chime in on the proper assembly order for the support bar hardware. ?Felder shows one thing in the manual, but then supplies the bar with these ¡°spacers¡± that came already on the threaded rod. ?Not sure if I remove these spacers or use them. ?You can see them circled in red. ?And, according to the manual, it appears that I don¡¯t use the large washers at all. ?Maybe these were for shipping purposes only.?
Thank You,
Wade
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Re: Couple more questions
Thanks for the input, Mac.
How about something like a 60mm tall rebate cutter that is a single, solid block. If you had 25mm top hat bushings on both the top and the bottom, would the 10mm gap in the middle be a concern? I suppose that I'm wondering how important it is to try and find an exact height match set of bushings for each cutter, compared to using a set that is "close enough" (whatever that may be).
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Larry Long Neck
Just a noob trying to learn the ways of wood
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Re: Couple more questions
I don¡¯t know what David does ,? I have sleeves to fill the space. Example cutter set up that use 4 cutters that are 1.25 or common 40 mm cutters don¡¯t just float in the abyss with no support.? I also build packages with sleeves that are threaded. So complete with no piecemeal separate ?sleeves and bushings. These can be set with spacers so they are referenced with spindle down and no set up. Window and door work!
Designing and building for 50 years
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On Jun 30, 2023, at 5:58 PM, Larry Long Neck <longneckwood@...> wrote:
?David B,
When buying the top hat bushings, do you have any rules you follow about matching the height of the bushing to the height of the cutter block? For example, if you had bushings that only filled up 50% of the height of the cutter block, would that be a potentially bad situation?
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Re: Couple more questions
David B,
When buying the top hat bushings, do you have any rules you follow about matching the height of the bushing to the height of the cutter block? For example, if you had bushings that only filled up 50% of the height of the cutter block, would that be a potentially bad situation?
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Larry Long Neck
Just a noob trying to learn the ways of wood
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Re: Couple more questions
Agreed. Why buy both. You can buy groovers for 30mm or 1-1/4.? Whitehill sells great adjustable groovers for both bores and they are pretty reasonably priced.?
5) I would purchase both an 1 1/4¡± and 30mm spindle so you can share grooving tools and saw blades with the saw
Sorry to butt in, BUT - I¡¯ve never understood why someone would buy two spindles just to get access to both 30mm and 1?¡± tooling.? Changing spindles is a PITA.? Whereas adapting 1?¡± tooling to a 30mm spindle with the use of inexpensive top-hat-style bushings is less expensive and easier on the back.? Two examples:
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5) I would purchase both an 1 1/4¡± and 30mm spindle so you can share grooving tools and saw blades with the saw
Sorry to butt in, BUT - I¡¯ve never understood why someone would buy two spindles just to get access to both 30mm and 1?¡± tooling. ?Changing spindles is a PITA. ?Whereas adapting 1?¡± tooling to a 30mm spindle with the use of inexpensive top-hat-style bushings is less expensive and easier on the back. ?Two examples:
David Best
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Hi Ray, there are a few reasons I wouldn¡¯t buy the C3, I went with a B3 & A3 setup
1) the saw rip fence is now the the fence from the K3 Basic, and when mounted on the jointer outfeed table it only reaches to approximately the Center of the blade. It also isn¡¯t the standard saw fence extrusion so it doesn¡¯t have the same high/low capability as a standard saw fence
2) rip capacity is 900mm which is fine for me, may not be for you
3) the shaper spindle doesn¡¯t tilt, that¡¯s a real issue for me
4) the C3 really needs a square shaped shop as you need access on 4 sides as opposed to 3 for 2 function machines
5) I would purchase both an 1 1/4¡± and 30mm spindle so you can share grooving tools and saw blades with the saw
Regards, Rod
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Hi Ray -?? I have a C3-31, the measuring tapes on the floor are an 8' square. I left about 16" of measuring tape on the J/P side, as the C3-41 is a larger machine. 
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Hi All,
What is the minimum workspace size necessary to support a C3-41? Trying to decide if it will fit.
Thanks
Ray
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Re: AD941 dust hose attachment
Thanks Chris and Brian for the Solidworks info. ?- Scott Hanna
On Fri, Jun 30, 2023 at 12:55?PM Chris Reyerson < reyerson@...> wrote:
The subscription version of Solidworks is very similar to the full blown version, from my point of view there is no difference.??
Chris
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Re: AD941 dust hose attachment
Well, the files you create in the ¡°Makers¡± version can only be used in the Makers version, you can¡¯t import/export them to other platforms or softwares. You can export .stp or .iges files and use them elsewhere, but they will be ¡°dumb¡±, no feature tree or ability to modify with any sort of intelligence. It is also a cloud based software, you only rent the right to use it and have to pay monthly or yearly.
Brian Lamb
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The subscription version of Solidworks is very similar to the full blown version, from my point of view there is no difference.??
Chris
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