Re: Parts diagram for an older model F700 shaper
Many thanks Brian - I think I have a good idea now. ?Regards, Richard.?
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Mike,
I might take you up on that! This one has been setting in the shop for over 9 months now. Contractor has been too busy to install it and customer in no hurry. Worried something might happen to it.
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Re: Parts diagram for an older model F700 shaper
See attached copies of the parts list for the shaper hood. Hopefully that tells you what you need to know.
Brian Lamb blamb11@... www.lambtoolworks.com  
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On Jul 9, 2023, at 2:47 AM, Richard Stevens via groups.io <richard.stevens@...> wrote:
I am attempting to retrofit an older model F700 shaper fence to my Profil45 shaper so that I can push the fence far back enough to use router bits with the high speed spindle. The current Profil45 fence with the Aigner Integral doesn’t go back far enough pretty much rendering the high speed router spindle useless.? The F700 fence I have is a spare parts hand me down which I’m now planning to resurrect. As you’ll see in the attached photos, several of the components for the fence are missing. ?To do to this I’ll first need to get hold of the fence parts list and schematics. ?Does anyone have this drawing and can provide me with an electronic copy, please? ? One thing about the older fence is that it bolts onto the Profil45 table - this totally surprised me. ?Seems to me the variety of holes drilled and tapped in top serves several purposes ?and not just the Profil45 fence, the F900 fence or the Bowmould.
Anyhow hope one of you kind folks can share a copy of the F700 fence with me.
thanks in advance, richard
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Re: AD941 Infeed Table Adjustment
James,
In my experience spring or flat has been mostly effected by outfeed table height. Setting the outfeed to be .001” below the cutting edges is a trivial adjustment.?
I have said this time and again, these machines could have been perfect when set at the factory, and given the issues inherent of having tables that flop up and down on hinges, they rarely make it to their destination with the same settings they left the factory with. Even if Felder USA went back over the machines upon arrival here, there is no guarantee that they make it from them to the customer without rough handling that can make the tables out of spec.
The only way you are getting a machine that will be perfect is to buy a much heavier duty machine, like a Martin or Hoffman, and maybe even the SCMI like PK got, at considerably higher expense. Felder could also calibrate it in your shop, again, at considerable expense, or you be willing to make some minor adjustments and have the machine do what you want it to do.
If the tables are flat and just out of alignment, adjusting a jointer is about as trivial as it gets in the realm of this level of machinery.
Brian Lamb
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On Jul 8, 2023, at 7:37 PM, James Zhu <james.zhu2@...> wrote:
Brain,
I know the jointer tables are adjustable, but it is not a trivial task.?
Maybe you can do a group survey to see how many people want to have a jointer producing the flat board right after it is delivered to them without any adjustment.
I think what customers want matters the?most, it is 2023. Felder can make money because customers give them money to buy the machine.
James
On Sat, Jul 8, 2023 at 9:57?PM Brian Lamb < blamb11@...> wrote: James, Felder most certainly can have a jointer that makes a flat board, it all depends on what setting is at when you get it. These settings are adjustable and you can get what ever cut you want. You can complain all day long that it’s not the way you want it, but they deliver how they think is best, whether we agree with that or not, really doesn’t matter. Set it how you want it to cut and move on.
Clearly, Felder is proud of their table adjustment mechanism, they think they are the best.?
It is the same mechanism on my?2016 AD741. I just shake my head that Felder still cannot deliver a jointer to produce the FLAT board.
James One more comment.? The Hinge Pin is held in lateral position via set screws on both sides and the top shown in red arrows below.? Those may need to be loosened (especially the top one) in order to get the pin to actually move up/down.? Go easy on these, you don’t want the pin wallowing about like a hotdog in a hallway.? Once you’re done moving the pin up/down, re-secure those set screws.? I really detest this mechanism. ?
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I'm curious if anyone has a newer generation AD941 and has been able to adjust the infeed table to be coplanar with the outfeed table. In particular, what seems like it should be a simple adjustment on the hinge side is not working out according to my intuition (but I'm no machinist).<IMG_3456.jpeg><IMG_3455.jpeg>
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Re: Parts diagram for an older model F700 shaper
I need t block should be on the shelf. Designing and building for 50 years
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On Jul 9, 2023, at 4:47 AM, Richard Stevens via groups.io <richard.stevens@...> wrote:
? I am attempting to retrofit an older model F700 shaper fence to my Profil45 shaper so that I can push the fence far back enough to use router bits with the high speed spindle. The current Profil45 fence with the Aigner Integral doesn’t go back far enough pretty much rendering the high speed router spindle useless.?
The F700 fence I have is a spare parts hand me down which I’m now planning to resurrect. As you’ll see in the attached photos, several of the components for the fence are missing. ?To do to this I’ll first need to get hold of the fence parts list and schematics. ?Does anyone have this drawing and can provide me with an electronic copy, please? ?
One thing about the older fence is that it bolts onto the Profil45 table - this totally surprised me. ?Seems to me the variety of holes drilled and tapped in top serves several purposes ?and not just the Profil45 fence, the F900 fence or the Bowmould.
Anyhow hope one of you kind folks can share a copy of the F700 fence with me.
thanks in advance, richard
richard.stevens@...
melbourne ?
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Parts diagram for an older model F700 shaper
I am attempting to retrofit an older model F700 shaper fence to my Profil45 shaper so that I can push the fence far back enough to use router bits with the high speed spindle. The current Profil45 fence with the Aigner Integral doesn’t go back far enough pretty much rendering the high speed router spindle useless.?
The F700 fence I have is a spare parts hand me down which I’m now planning to resurrect. As you’ll see in the attached photos, several of the components for the fence are missing. ?To do to this I’ll first need to get hold of the fence parts list and schematics. ?Does anyone have this drawing and can provide me with an electronic copy, please? ?
One thing about the older fence is that it bolts onto the Profil45 table - this totally surprised me. ?Seems to me the variety of holes drilled and tapped in top serves several purposes ?and not just the Profil45 fence, the F900 fence or the Bowmould.
Anyhow hope one of you kind folks can share a copy of the F700 fence with me.
thanks in advance, richard
richard.stevens@...
melbourne ?
   
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Re: AD941 Infeed Table Adjustment
闯补肠辩耻别蝉……
Ummm…it’s Saturday where I’m at. ???
Wade ???
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On Jul 8, 2023, at 8:09 PM, Jacques Gagnon <jacques.gagnon309@...> wrote:
?…it’s Friday, time for ? off the wall ? concepts…
Given that Felder positions itself as a company offering its customers ? machines built to specs ?, could we envision being able to specify the calibration on the machine? One could then choose between spring joint or flat setting.
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…it’s Friday, time for ? off the wall ? concepts…
Given that Felder positions itself as a company offering its customers ? machines built to specs ?, could we envision being able to specify the calibration on the machine? One could then choose between spring joint or flat setting.
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Re: AD941 Infeed Table Adjustment
Brain,
I know the jointer tables are adjustable, but it is not a trivial task.?
Maybe you can do a group survey to see how many people want to have a jointer producing the flat board right after it is delivered to them without any adjustment.
I think what customers want matters the?most, it is 2023. Felder can make money because customers give them money to buy the machine.
James
On Sat, Jul 8, 2023 at 9:57?PM Brian Lamb < blamb11@...> wrote: James, Felder most certainly can have a jointer that makes a flat board, it all depends on what setting is at when you get it. These settings are adjustable and you can get what ever cut you want. You can complain all day long that it’s not the way you want it, but they deliver how they think is best, whether we agree with that or not, really doesn’t matter. Set it how you want it to cut and move on.
Clearly, Felder is proud of their table adjustment mechanism, they think they are the best.?
It is the same mechanism on my?2016 AD741. I just shake my head that Felder still cannot deliver a jointer to produce the FLAT board.
James One more comment.? The Hinge Pin is held in lateral position via set screws on both sides and the top shown in red arrows below.? Those may need to be loosened (especially the top one) in order to get the pin to actually move up/down.? Go easy on these, you don’t want the pin wallowing about like a hotdog in a hallway.? Once you’re done moving the pin up/down, re-secure those set screws.? I really detest this mechanism. ?
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I'm curious if anyone has a newer generation AD941 and has been able to adjust the infeed table to be coplanar with the outfeed table. In particular, what seems like it should be a simple adjustment on the hinge side is not working out according to my intuition (but I'm no machinist).<IMG_3456.jpeg><IMG_3455.jpeg>
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Re: AD941 Infeed Table Adjustment
James, Felder most certainly can have a jointer that makes a flat board, it all depends on what setting is at when you get it. These settings are adjustable and you can get what ever cut you want. You can complain all day long that it’s not the way you want it, but they deliver how they think is best, whether we agree with that or not, really doesn’t matter. Set it how you want it to cut and move on.
Brian Lamb
blamb11@...
www.lambtoolworks.com
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On Jul 8, 2023, at 5:56 PM, James Zhu <james.zhu2@...> wrote:
Clearly, Felder is proud of their table adjustment mechanism, they think they are the best.?
It is the same mechanism on my?2016 AD741. I just shake my head that Felder still cannot deliver a jointer to produce the FLAT board.
James One more comment.? The Hinge Pin is held in lateral position via set screws on both sides and the top shown in red arrows below.? Those may need to be loosened (especially the top one) in order to get the pin to actually move up/down.? Go easy on these, you don’t want the pin wallowing about like a hotdog in a hallway.? Once you’re done moving the pin up/down, re-secure those set screws.? I really detest this mechanism. ?
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I'm curious if anyone has a newer generation AD941 and has been able to adjust the infeed table to be coplanar with the outfeed table. In particular, what seems like it should be a simple adjustment on the hinge side is not working out according to my intuition (but I'm no machinist).<IMG_3456.jpeg><IMG_3455.jpeg>
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On Jul 8, 2023, at 6:31 PM, Andy Pickler <andy.pickler@...> wrote:
? Which cutter set up are you running? ?You mentioned your outfeed table is now 001”-.002” below the cutter knives, just wondering if your running straight knives. ?I also saw a different measurement for setting the outfeed table to the cutting block, which is different from setting to knives. ?See attached pictures. ?But I’m wondering if this cutter block dimension is also true for someone that is running the Silent Power spiral knife cutting block set up?
I'm running the Silent Power cutterhead. And yes...in order to get the knives 0.001" above the outfeed table, the smooth surface of the cutterhead (cutting block) needed to be 0.032" below the outfeed table.
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It irritates the hell out of me that miter saw companies (especially Festool) haven't nailed the whole dust collection thing yet (or choose not to). We are no longer living in the 1930s where inhaling sawdust while smoking Camel unfiltereds added years onto your life.
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Re: AD941 Infeed Table Adjustment
Which cutter set up are you running? ?You mentioned your outfeed table is now 001”-.002” below the cutter knives, just wondering if your running straight knives. ?I also saw a different measurement for setting the outfeed table to the cutting block, which is different from setting to knives. ?See attached pictures. ?But I’m wondering if this cutter block dimension is also true for someone that is running the Silent Power spiral knife cutting block set up?
I'm running the Silent Power cutterhead. And yes...in order to get the knives 0.001" above the outfeed table, the smooth surface of the cutterhead (cutting block) needed to be 0.032" below the outfeed table.
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Re: AD941 Infeed Table Adjustment
Clearly, Felder is proud of their table adjustment mechanism, they think they are the best.?
It is the same mechanism on my?2016 AD741. I just shake my head that Felder still cannot deliver a jointer to produce the FLAT board.
James
One more comment.? The Hinge Pin is held in lateral position via set screws on both sides and the top shown in red arrows below.? Those may need to be loosened (especially the top one) in order to get the pin to actually move up/down.? Go easy on these, you don’t want the pin wallowing about like a hotdog in a hallway.? Once you’re done moving the pin up/down, re-secure those set screws.? I really detest this mechanism. ?
I'm curious if anyone has a newer generation AD941 and has been able to adjust the infeed table to be coplanar with the outfeed table. In particular, what seems like it should be a simple adjustment on the hinge side is not working out according to my intuition (but I'm no machinist).<IMG_3456.jpeg><IMG_3455.jpeg>
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Re: AD941 Infeed Table Adjustment
?Hi David, While I'm adjusting those M10 cap screws, I'm assuming:
- I "tighten" them (move them upward) to move the table up
Correct. Righty-tighty. Lefty-loosey.?
- I should have the kip lever on the infeed side lightly tightened (and the outfeed one loose)
The latch side of the table should be unlatched when making this adjustment. ? Once you get the hinge side of the infeed table coplanar to the hinge side of the outfeed table, then turn attention to the latch side. ?You can adjust the slope of both tables on the latch side by altering the relative heights of the two temple bolts for each table. ?Carbon paper is a good way to test those alignments. ?LOL
David Best?
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Re: AD941 Infeed Table Adjustment
? ? Andy,
I fully understand your thoughts about David Best, the guy is a Walking Institution! ?
Which cutter set up are you running? ?You mentioned your outfeed table is now 001”-.002” below the cutter knives, just wondering if your running straight knives. ?I also saw a different measurement for setting the outfeed table to the cutting block, which is different from setting to knives. ?See attached pictures. ?But I’m wondering if this cutter block dimension is also true for someone that is running the Silent Power spiral knife cutting block set up?
Wade
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On Jul 8, 2023, at 5:08 PM, Andy Pickler <andy.pickler@...> wrote:
?I think the hammer/mallet blow was in regards to lowering the outfeed table. My outfeed table as-received was quite a bit above the cutterhead knives. I loosened the height adjustment bolt, but that alone will not lower the outfeed table. For me, even striking with a mallet did nothing, and even putting 210# of free weights on the outfeed table overnight didn't lower it completely. I literally had to jump on the outfeed table directly over the supports to lower it even a few thousandths. Thankfully, I now have the outfeed table completely level/parallel with the cutterhead and between 0.001" and 0.002" below the cutterhead knives. If you want me to elaborate any more on that procedure, I can do that. I have corresponded with David Best as well, and he is top-notch in his support, his documentation, and of course his knowledge and experience. I wouldn't be as far along as I am without him.
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Hi David, While I'm adjusting those M10 cap screws, I'm assuming:
- I "tighten" them (move them upward) to move the table up
- I should have the kip lever on the infeed side lightly tightened (and the outfeed one loose)
True?
I did loosen the set screws on top considerably, and the lateral ones just a little (to allow for the up-down movement as you suggest). What I found was that as I tightened the left M10 cap screw ("left" as viewed from the back of the machine...the screw farthest away from the cutterhead)...that the table moved up for awhile and then my dial indicator indicator it was going down. That was confounding. I need to re-check my measurement devices, though, and make sure something wasn't causing an inaccurate reading.
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Re: AD941 Infeed Table Adjustment
One more comment. ?The Hinge Pin is held in lateral position via set screws on both sides and the top shown in red arrows below. ?Those may need to be loosened (especially the top one) in order to get the pin to actually move up/down. ?Go easy on these, you don’t want the pin wallowing about like a hotdog in a hallway. ?Once you’re done moving the pin up/down, re-secure those set screws. ?I really detest this mechanism. ?
David Best
DBestWorkshop@...
https://www.flickr.com/photos/davidpbest/collections/
https://www.youtube.com/@David_Best
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On Jul 8, 2023, at 3:58 PM, Andy Pickler <andy.pickler@...> wrote:
I'm curious if anyone has a newer generation AD941 and has been able to adjust the infeed table to be coplanar with the outfeed table. In particular, what seems like it should be a simple adjustment on the hinge side is not working out according to my intuition (but I'm no machinist).<IMG_3456.jpeg><IMG_3455.jpeg>
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This is the parts diagram for the hinge mechanism on the AD941. ?The “Hinge Pin” is item #1 (green arrow), and the elevation and slope of the table (going toward the cutterblock), is adjusted by moving this pin at either or both ends. ?The pin can be repositioned at each end using the long M10 cap screws called out as #6 (red arrows).
Those elevation screws are noted in your photos with red arrows:
David Best
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I'm curious if anyone has a newer generation AD941 and has been able to adjust the infeed table to be coplanar with the outfeed table. In particular, what seems like it should be a simple adjustment on the hinge side is not working out according to my intuition (but I'm no machinist).<IMG_3456.jpeg><IMG_3455.jpeg>
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