Re: Rangate 300 Lift Cart
I did not buy the top ¨C I got a 1¡± piece of Baltic birch and cut it. ?
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From: [email protected] < [email protected]> On Behalf Of Wade Dees Sent: Wednesday, July 12, 2023 12:01 AM To: [email protected]Subject: Re: [FOG] Rangate 300 Lift Cart ? Thank you. ?What did you do for a top on yours? ? On mine two casters swivel and lock the wheels from moving.? Two others swivel or lock in alignment with the frame and table.? This description looks accurate - ? Could somebody on here who has a Fat 300 S lift table confirm this description detail Felder states about this table.? See attached picture.? Circled in red describing the castor configuration.? Essentially does this have four locking casters then?? Thx? ? Found the Rengate page.? They offer a ¡°300 Large¡± model, but not sure of the exact frame dimensions.? ? Does Rengate only offer the one model size, the 300?
On Jul 11, 2023, at 4:45 PM, PK <pk@...> wrote:
?Ed,
When I got the rangate I copied the top that Joe Calhoon made for his at the Alpine shop.? I used 5/4 Maple.
No holes in the top.? I have another workbench with a parf top that I made.
The Rangate is a quality cart.? I also have a Husky adjustable top cart too.? Great for the price, but not the same.
PK
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Re: Rangate 300 Lift Cart
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Re: Rangate 300 Lift Cart
Wade, me thinks you have slurped too much Felder brand Kool-Aid. ?Great castors are cheap and easy to put on. ?Last time I looked Barth wanted something like $1K for a laminated top with holes. ?That too is cheap and easy to fabricate in your shop, or outsource to a water-jet facility. ??
The Hafele tilting panel cart is no longer sold by Hafele. ?I had one myself, on sale it was $299 in 2002. ?I sold it when I moved, missed it so much I wanted to buy another, but they had stopped selling them, so I got the Shop Cart which is eve beefier. ?I too replaced the castors on my Hafele cart..
David Best
DBestWorkshop@...
https://www.flickr.com/photos/davidpbest/collections/
https://www.youtube.com/@David_Best
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On Jul 11, 2023, at 8:40 PM, Wade Dees <wjdsignature@...> wrote:
Aaron Inami,
That castor wheel description sounds like the perfect scenario for a castor wheel set up on these tables. ?
For me that¡¯s another notch in the pro column for the Fat 300 S.
Thx,
Wade
On Jul 11, 2023, at 7:29 PM, Aaron Inami <ainami@...> wrote:
?Felder describes the casters as "2 lockable swivel castors and 2 swivel casters with directional locks".
The "2 swivel casters with directional locks" will lock into one direction, but will still roll.? This acts as a fixed castor to help with transporting material across the shop? (if you have 4 fully swivel castors, it's really difficult to control the cart when you are moving stuff around).? If you "unlock" them, they become a standard swivel castor.
The "2 lockable swivel castors" are complete dual-locking casters.? They will lock in any direction as well as apply a brake to the wheel so that the table does not roll off on its own.
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Re: Rangate 300 Lift Cart
Micheal Marsico,
Thank you. ?What did you do for a top on yours?
Thx,
Wade
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On Jul 11, 2023, at 5:36 PM, Michael Marsico <michael.marsico1@...> wrote:
? On mine two casters swivel and lock the wheels from moving.? Two others swivel or lock in alignment with the frame and table.? This description looks accurate -
Could somebody on here who has a Fat 300 S lift table confirm this description detail Felder states about this table.? See attached picture.? Circled in red describing the castor configuration.? Essentially does this have four locking casters then?? Thx?
? Found the Rengate page.? They offer a ¡°300 Large¡± model, but not sure of the exact frame dimensions.? ? Does Rengate only offer the one model size, the 300?
Thx,
Wade On Jul 11, 2023, at 4:45 PM, PK <pk@...> wrote:
?Ed,
When I got the rangate I copied the top that Joe Calhoon made for his at the Alpine shop.? I used 5/4 Maple.
No holes in the top.? I have another workbench with a parf top that I made.
The Rangate is a quality cart.? I also have a Husky adjustable top cart too.? Great for the price, but not the same.
PK
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Much appreciated David...
Ed Cohen?
E. Cohen Designs?
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Re: Saw just ain't cutting right
On Tue, Jul 11, 2023 at 11:42 PM, John Hinman wrote:
Go to YouTube and search ¡°best services Felder¡±. You should get quite a selection of videos.
David Best has videos on another hosting service - Flickr or some such. He has links in other posts in this forum, and may come along to direct you to those. He, and a few other members, volunteer a lot of time helping newbies like you and me with our Felder gear.
if you contact him directly you can purchase a copy of his Survival Guide.
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Boise ID
K700S and A941
Thanks John, I will check these out. In the meantime, I will recheck the alignment of my fences.and slider. I would like to find something on adjusting belt tension since someone suggested that my problem may lie here as well.? Ed Cohen? E. Cohen Designs? Easthampton, MA
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Re: Saw just ain't cutting right
Ed, my YouTube video link is shown below. ?Also the link to rather large collection of blog photos/videos with descriptions at Flickr.com
David Best
DBestWorkshop@...
https://www.flickr.com/photos/davidpbest/collections/
https://www.youtube.com/@David_Best
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On Jul 11, 2023, at 8:32 PM, Edward Cohen <ecohentoo@...> wrote:
Thanks John,
Please forgive my ignorance.? How do I access these videos?
Ed Cohen?
E. Cohen Designs
Easthampton,? MA
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Re: Rangate 300 Lift Cart
Rich Markiewicz,
My ¡°wallet voice¡± is louder than my ¡°back¡¯s voice¡±, ?because it knows I need my back in order to fill it up with money. ????
#Cry once.
Wade
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On Jul 11, 2023, at 7:18 PM, Rich M. <rmarkiewicz@...> wrote:
?Thanks David, for the reference to Shop Carts - Topeka.?? My old back has been asking me to get a panel cart for some time.? My wallet says, 'not now',?? lol.?? Thanks again,??? RichM
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Re: Saw just ain't cutting right
Go to YouTube and search ¡°best services Felder¡±. You should get quite a selection of videos.
David Best has videos on another hosting service - Flickr or some such. He has links in other posts in this forum, and may come along to direct you to those. He, and a few other members, volunteer a lot of time helping newbies like you and me with our Felder gear.
if you contact him directly you can purchase a copy of his Survival Guide.
--
John Hinman
Boise ID
K700S and A941
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Re: Rangate 300 Lift Cart
Aaron Inami,
That castor wheel description sounds like the perfect scenario for a castor wheel set up on these tables. ?
For me that¡¯s another notch in the pro column for the Fat 300 S.
Thx,
Wade
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On Jul 11, 2023, at 7:29 PM, Aaron Inami <ainami@...> wrote:
?Felder describes the casters as "2 lockable swivel castors and 2 swivel casters with directional locks".
The "2 swivel casters with directional locks" will lock into one direction, but will still roll.? This acts as a fixed castor to help with transporting material across the shop? (if you have 4 fully swivel castors, it's really difficult to control the cart when you are moving stuff around).? If you "unlock" them, they become a standard swivel castor.
The "2 lockable swivel castors" are complete dual-locking casters.? They will lock in any direction as well as apply a brake to the wheel so that the table does not roll off on its own.
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Re: Rangate 300 Lift Cart
Jason Holtz,
Which model Hafelle cart do you have? ?
Thx,
Wade
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On Jul 11, 2023, at 7:49 PM, Jason Holtz <jholtzy@...> wrote:
? $10k for a shop cart?!? It better be attached to a forklift.?
I have the Hafelle panel cart also. That thing is a tank. It's not my favorite for moving sheet goods, our drywall cart is better for that. But for the flexibility of tilting and working on a piece, and adjusting the height as necessary it can't be beat. Jason Holtz
J. Holtz Furniture
3307 Snelling Ave. South
Minneapolis, MN 55406
612.432.2765 -- Jason J. Holtz Furniture 3307 Snelling Ave. South Minneapolis, MN 55406
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Re: Rangate 300 Lift Cart
Ah¡¡okay, Thank you James Zhu
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On Jul 11, 2023, at 8:25 PM, James Zhu <james.zhu2@...> wrote:
? Wade,
That push handle can be removed. It has a foot bar to raise and release level to lower.
James ? James,
Wouldn¡¯t that push handle get in the way a lot of the time?? Similar to the Jet one that David Best posted too.? I¡¯d think for me that push handle would just be in my way all the time. ?
And Barth is out for me if they are selling carts for 10K, damn! ?
Right now I¡¯m still leaning towards that Fat 300 S, one reason being that double sided foot pedal access.? That seems like a really nice feature/convenience to have one each long side of the table. ?
Wade ? This one has better value,?just need to make a?top,?that is an easy?task for a woodworker. Weight is 101KG, Range cart is 55KG, price is US$2599, wow. James
OK, I just can¡¯t help myself when it comes to these carts.? So here is my perspective.
I have the Barth 500V in my shop and love it, but frankly it¡¯s not terribly robust as a scissors-lift cart.? The other cart I have in my shop which I love is a tilting panel cart made by Shop Carts in Topeka.? Now this is well built, and at $1,500 a veritable bargain compared to the Felder and Rangate units.? It doesn¡¯t have the lifting range of the others, but the tilting top helps a lot more when it comes to dealing with large panels.? I have added a 7x 40¡± Appleply top to mine and it works very well as a roll around bench when tilted flat.? If memory serves, Brian Lamb has the Hafele equivalent. ?
I bring this up here not to bash Felder or Rangate, but to encourage users to consider usage and the cost/value relationship.
This is the cart I have (in addition to my Barth 500):
It¡¯s been a while since I looked over the Felder Fat 300 carts.? I know lots of people have and love them, but the Fat 300 and the Rangate units have the same lift capacity at 600 pounds, which isn¡¯t exactly Mil-Spec.? There are lots of other carts on the market with better weight capacity at significantly less money, so there must be some pretty serious margin in the Felder and Rangate units.? Here¡¯s just one example - it would be interesting to compare the weight (of the bench, not capacity) of a Fat 300 to this Jet.? Now, the Jet is made in China, so is my Jet pallet jack which has given me less trouble over the years than the Barth - go figure.
?My Barth 500V is rated at 1,000 pounds, and even so, it doesn¡¯t impress me with robust build quality.? I love the Barth cart, but at $10K now, whew!!!
Could somebody on here who has a Fat 300 S lift table confirm this description detail Felder states about this table.? See attached picture.? Circled in red describing the castor configuration.? Essentially does this have four locking casters then?? Thx?
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? Found the Rengate page.? They offer a ¡°300 Large¡± model, but not sure of the exact frame dimensions.? ? Does Rengate only offer the one model size, the 300?
Thx,
Wade On Jul 11, 2023, at 4:45 PM, PK <pk@...> wrote:
?Ed,
When I got the rangate I copied the top that Joe Calhoon made for his at the Alpine shop.? I used 5/4 Maple.
No holes in the top.? I have another workbench with a parf top that I made.
The Rangate is a quality cart.? I also have a Husky adjustable top cart too.? Great for the price, but not the same.
PK
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Re: Saw just ain't cutting right
Thanks John,
Please forgive my ignorance.? How do I access these videos?
Ed Cohen?
E. Cohen Designs
Easthampton,? MA
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Re: Rangate 300 Lift Cart
Wade,
That push handle can be removed. It has a foot bar to raise and release level to lower.
James
? James,
Wouldn¡¯t that push handle get in the way a lot of the time?? Similar to the Jet one that David Best posted too.? I¡¯d think for me that push handle would just be in my way all the time. ?
And Barth is out for me if they are selling carts for 10K, damn! ?
Right now I¡¯m still leaning towards that Fat 300 S, one reason being that double sided foot pedal access.? That seems like a really nice feature/convenience to have one each long side of the table. ?
Wade ? This one has better value,?just need to make a?top,?that is an easy?task for a woodworker. Weight is 101KG, Range cart is 55KG, price is US$2599, wow. James
OK, I just can¡¯t help myself when it comes to these carts.? So here is my perspective.
I have the Barth 500V in my shop and love it, but frankly it¡¯s not terribly robust as a scissors-lift cart.? The other cart I have in my shop which I love is a tilting panel cart made by Shop Carts in Topeka.? Now this is well built, and at $1,500 a veritable bargain compared to the Felder and Rangate units.? It doesn¡¯t have the lifting range of the others, but the tilting top helps a lot more when it comes to dealing with large panels.? I have added a 7x 40¡± Appleply top to mine and it works very well as a roll around bench when tilted flat.? If memory serves, Brian Lamb has the Hafele equivalent. ?
I bring this up here not to bash Felder or Rangate, but to encourage users to consider usage and the cost/value relationship.
This is the cart I have (in addition to my Barth 500):
It¡¯s been a while since I looked over the Felder Fat 300 carts.? I know lots of people have and love them, but the Fat 300 and the Rangate units have the same lift capacity at 600 pounds, which isn¡¯t exactly Mil-Spec.? There are lots of other carts on the market with better weight capacity at significantly less money, so there must be some pretty serious margin in the Felder and Rangate units.? Here¡¯s just one example - it would be interesting to compare the weight (of the bench, not capacity) of a Fat 300 to this Jet.? Now, the Jet is made in China, so is my Jet pallet jack which has given me less trouble over the years than the Barth - go figure.
?My Barth 500V is rated at 1,000 pounds, and even so, it doesn¡¯t impress me with robust build quality.? I love the Barth cart, but at $10K now, whew!!!
Could somebody on here who has a Fat 300 S lift table confirm this description detail Felder states about this table.? See attached picture.? Circled in red describing the castor configuration.? Essentially does this have four locking casters then?? Thx?
<image0.jpeg>
? Found the Rengate page.? They offer a ¡°300 Large¡± model, but not sure of the exact frame dimensions.? ? Does Rengate only offer the one model size, the 300?
Thx,
Wade On Jul 11, 2023, at 4:45 PM, PK <pk@...> wrote:
?Ed,
When I got the rangate I copied the top that Joe Calhoon made for his at the Alpine shop.? I used 5/4 Maple.
No holes in the top.? I have another workbench with a parf top that I made.
The Rangate is a quality cart.? I also have a Husky adjustable top cart too.? Great for the price, but not the same.
PK
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Re: Rangate 300 Lift Cart
? James,
Wouldn¡¯t that push handle get in the way a lot of the time? ?Similar to the Jet one that David Best posted too. ?I¡¯d think for me that push handle would just be in my way all the time. ?
And Barth is out for me if they are selling carts for 10K, damn! ?
Right now I¡¯m still leaning towards that Fat 300 S, one reason being that double sided foot pedal access. ?That seems like a really nice feature/convenience to have one each long side of the table. ?
Wade
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On Jul 11, 2023, at 8:03 PM, James Zhu <james.zhu2@...> wrote:
? This one has better value,?just need to make a?top,?that is an easy?task for a woodworker. Weight is 101KG, Range cart is 55KG, price is US$2599, wow. James
OK, I just can¡¯t help myself when it comes to these carts.? So here is my perspective.
I have the Barth 500V in my shop and love it, but frankly it¡¯s not terribly robust as a scissors-lift cart.? The other cart I have in my shop which I love is a tilting panel cart made by Shop Carts in Topeka.? Now this is well built, and at $1,500 a veritable bargain compared to the Felder and Rangate units.? It doesn¡¯t have the lifting range of the others, but the tilting top helps a lot more when it comes to dealing with large panels.? I have added a 7x 40¡± Appleply top to mine and it works very well as a roll around bench when tilted flat.? If memory serves, Brian Lamb has the Hafele equivalent. ?
I bring this up here not to bash Felder or Rangate, but to encourage users to consider usage and the cost/value relationship.
This is the cart I have (in addition to my Barth 500):
It¡¯s been a while since I looked over the Felder Fat 300 carts.? I know lots of people have and love them, but the Fat 300 and the Rangate units have the same lift capacity at 600 pounds, which isn¡¯t exactly Mil-Spec.? There are lots of other carts on the market with better weight capacity at significantly less money, so there must be some pretty serious margin in the Felder and Rangate units.? Here¡¯s just one example - it would be interesting to compare the weight (of the bench, not capacity) of a Fat 300 to this Jet.? Now, the Jet is made in China, so is my Jet pallet jack which has given me less trouble over the years than the Barth - go figure.
?My Barth 500V is rated at 1,000 pounds, and even so, it doesn¡¯t impress me with robust build quality.? I love the Barth cart, but at $10K now, whew!!!
Could somebody on here who has a Fat 300 S lift table confirm this description detail Felder states about this table.? See attached picture.? Circled in red describing the castor configuration.? Essentially does this have four locking casters then?? Thx?
<image0.jpeg>
? Found the Rengate page.? They offer a ¡°300 Large¡± model, but not sure of the exact frame dimensions.? ? Does Rengate only offer the one model size, the 300?
Thx,
Wade On Jul 11, 2023, at 4:45 PM, PK <pk@...> wrote:
?Ed,
When I got the rangate I copied the top that Joe Calhoon made for his at the Alpine shop.? I used 5/4 Maple.
No holes in the top.? I have another workbench with a parf top that I made.
The Rangate is a quality cart.? I also have a Husky adjustable top cart too.? Great for the price, but not the same.
PK
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Re: Saw just ain't cutting right
Unfortunately alignment of the slider is set only approximately at the factory. Pull up some of the videos by David Best on alignment, and set aside some time to work on your saw. It is a PITA, but it will be worth your time.
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John Hinman
Boise ID
K700S and A941
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Re: Rangate 300 Lift Cart
This one has better value,?just need to make a?top,?that is an easy?task for a woodworker. Weight is 101KG, Range cart is 55KG, price is US$2599, wow.
OK, I just can¡¯t help myself when it comes to these carts.? So here is my perspective.
I have the Barth 500V in my shop and love it, but frankly it¡¯s not terribly robust as a scissors-lift cart.? The other cart I have in my shop which I love is a tilting panel cart made by Shop Carts in Topeka.? Now this is well built, and at $1,500 a veritable bargain compared to the Felder and Rangate units.? It doesn¡¯t have the lifting range of the others, but the tilting top helps a lot more when it comes to dealing with large panels.? I have added a 7x 40¡± Appleply top to mine and it works very well as a roll around bench when tilted flat.? If memory serves, Brian Lamb has the Hafele equivalent. ?
I bring this up here not to bash Felder or Rangate, but to encourage users to consider usage and the cost/value relationship.
This is the cart I have (in addition to my Barth 500):
It¡¯s been a while since I looked over the Felder Fat 300 carts.? I know lots of people have and love them, but the Fat 300 and the Rangate units have the same lift capacity at 600 pounds, which isn¡¯t exactly Mil-Spec.? There are lots of other carts on the market with better weight capacity at significantly less money, so there must be some pretty serious margin in the Felder and Rangate units.? Here¡¯s just one example - it would be interesting to compare the weight (of the bench, not capacity) of a Fat 300 to this Jet.? Now, the Jet is made in China, so is my Jet pallet jack which has given me less trouble over the years than the Barth - go figure.
?My Barth 500V is rated at 1,000 pounds, and even so, it doesn¡¯t impress me with robust build quality.? I love the Barth cart, but at $10K now, whew!!!
Could somebody on here who has a Fat 300 S lift table confirm this description detail Felder states about this table.? See attached picture.? Circled in red describing the castor configuration.? Essentially does this have four locking casters then?? Thx?
<image0.jpeg>
? Found the Rengate page.? They offer a ¡°300 Large¡± model, but not sure of the exact frame dimensions.? ? Does Rengate only offer the one model size, the 300?
Thx,
Wade On Jul 11, 2023, at 4:45 PM, PK <pk@...> wrote:
?Ed,
When I got the rangate I copied the top that Joe Calhoon made for his at the Alpine shop.? I used 5/4 Maple.
No holes in the top.? I have another workbench with a parf top that I made.
The Rangate is a quality cart.? I also have a Husky adjustable top cart too.? Great for the price, but not the same.
PK
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Re: Saw just ain't cutting right
Thank you for your replies.
Yes, I do get burning and am not sure if my belt is loose. Can you please advise me on how ro remedy these issues? You would think that since my saw is relatively new, that these things would be properly set at the factory.?
Thank you,
Ed Cohen?
E. Cohen Designs?
Easthampton, MA
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Re: Rangate 300 Lift Cart
$10k for a shop cart?!? It better be attached to a forklift.?
I have the Hafelle panel cart also. That thing is a tank. It's not my favorite for moving sheet goods, our drywall cart is better for that. But for the flexibility of tilting and working on a piece, and adjusting the height as necessary it can't be beat. Jason Holtz
J. Holtz Furniture
3307 Snelling Ave. South
Minneapolis, MN 55406
612.432.2765 -- Jason J. Holtz Furniture 3307 Snelling Ave. South Minneapolis, MN 55406
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David I have the 10¡¯ shop cart for a while I made quick adapters to hinge doors .? Also changed two wheels so the all swivel.? I also cut the side shelf so I can flip and pin So it is not sticking up in the way ! It now fits under my bandsaw outfeed table when not in use but usually has parts in progress stored. Unit is well built and has a little bit of adjustment . Handy outfeed table also. I also have a couple heavy duty Southtown? One sits 7¡± off floor and has ?wheels and a wheel hitch it has a steel top and goes up to 42¡± ? ?4¡¯x 6¡¯ 4,000# cap.? My most used work bench is steel frame with full storage under on wheels . 30¡± tall with 1¡± Baltic brich top and 1/4 ¡° Masonite throw away .? I also have a few nice adjustable surgery tables they have numerous adjustments . Mac,,
  Designing and building for 50 years
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On Jul 11, 2023, at 9:18 PM, Rich M. <rmarkiewicz@...> wrote:
?Thanks David, for the reference to Shop Carts - Topeka.?? My old back has been asking me to get a panel cart for some time.? My wallet says, 'not now',?? lol.?? Thanks again,??? RichM
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