Re: Would you buy a combo Shaper/Saw?
Nope it wasn't me, I bought some of Mac’s after remaining I didn't have the wherewithal to reproduce Brians big squeezes even after he kindly helped me.? We can take this conversation off the forum you can email me at w.g.joinery at Gmail dom com?
On Sat, 24 Jul 2021 at 14:57 imranindiana via <imranindiana= [email protected]> wrote: Thanks Eric, that is very gracious of you. Would live to meet you. Wife does all planning, I may contact you for suggestions.
BTW, travel to Australia is crazy expensive due to covid restrictions. One report said airfares from Europe can be as high as $25K.
I shipped one Big Squeeze to Australia, top of my head I can’t recall if that was you or someone else.
Cheers,
Imran ? Imran, when you get here if you in Melbourne at all let me know you can come an hour north and loook at some kangaroos, wombats, and a vey disorganised workshop with, a very old felder combo in it!? Cheers Eric On Sat, 24 Jul 2021 at 2:03 pm, imranindiana via <imranindiana= [email protected]> wrote: ???PK,
For many of the same reasons I started taking 3 months off every year ~5 yrs ago to go to Pakistan to be with my parents. In USA, Family Medical Leave Act (FMLA) is an amazing law. One can take 16 weeks off w/o pay in 1/2 day increments or all in one shot. FMLA, applies to companies with 50 or more employees.
Now both of them are gone and I am glad that I was with them more than just once a year. Second step was to retire early and enjoy life while I can. Did that end of 2019 at 59.5 yahooo.
Final step is to convince my wife to retire. She is only 53 but would likely retire in no more than 2 yrs. Since she works from home it is not too bad other than taking long vacations. She has however gotten approval for 4 weeks off next year. If Covid is behind us we plan to take a month long trip to downunder. Life is short don’t wait too long to enjoy it.
Imran ?I made a decision a few years ago.? Life has been good.? I will not wait to reward myself.? ?I will not play the retirement game.? If we can afford it, I will do it NOW while I can afford it.? We won't be in debt.. And while I can enjoy it.? I won't be stupid, but I won't save for when we are 85...? we won't enjoy those vacations.? ?We plan on buying a super C motor home and seeing the US.? We have triplet boys.? They are 16.? Two of them will be amazing citizens.? ?My third son is Autistic and is awesome too.? Most likely will live with us till we die.
We may move someday.? If we do, my shop will be AMAZING,? because of the so cal real estate money.
Until then, we enjoy life.
I am in Kauai right now with my wife, my 3 kids and my parents at an amazing resort.? The 10 days here makes me better at everything.
So, I can't wait for all of your insight.? This forum is AWESOME.? I WILL set up so.ething for AWFS in 2 years to see as many of you as possible.?
Live your dreams. Involve your kids.
Life is way too short
PK
-- Eric J. Smith? Trading as W.G. Joinery ABN# 24 079 587 520 03 5784 9258 0411 264 272
PO BOX 353? Broadford Victoria
3658 Australia
-- Eric J. Smith? Trading as W.G. Joinery ABN# 24 079 587 520 03 5784 9258 0411 264 272
PO BOX 353? Broadford Victoria
3658 Australia
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Re: Would you buy a combo Shaper/Saw?
Thanks Eric, that is very gracious of you. Would live to meet you. Wife does all planning, I may contact you for suggestions.
BTW, travel to Australia is crazy expensive due to covid restrictions. One report said airfares from Europe can be as high as $25K.
I shipped one Big Squeeze to Australia, top of my head I can’t recall if that was you or someone else.
Cheers,
Imran
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On Jul 23, 2021, at 9:15 PM, horans64 <w.g.joinery@...> wrote: ? Imran, when you get here if you in Melbourne at all let me know you can come an hour north and loook at some kangaroos, wombats, and a vey disorganised workshop with, a very old felder combo in it!? Cheers Eric On Sat, 24 Jul 2021 at 2:03 pm, imranindiana via <imranindiana= [email protected]> wrote: ???PK,
For many of the same reasons I started taking 3 months off every year ~5 yrs ago to go to Pakistan to be with my parents. In USA, Family Medical Leave Act (FMLA) is an amazing law. One can take 16 weeks off w/o pay in 1/2 day increments or all in one shot. FMLA, applies to companies with 50 or more employees.
Now both of them are gone and I am glad that I was with them more than just once a year. Second step was to retire early and enjoy life while I can. Did that end of 2019 at 59.5 yahooo.
Final step is to convince my wife to retire. She is only 53 but would likely retire in no more than 2 yrs. Since she works from home it is not too bad other than taking long vacations. She has however gotten approval for 4 weeks off next year. If Covid is behind us we plan to take a month long trip to downunder. Life is short don’t wait too long to enjoy it.
Imran ?I made a decision a few years ago.? Life has been good.? I will not wait to reward myself.? ?I will not play the retirement game.? If we can afford it, I will do it NOW while I can afford it.? We won't be in debt.. And while I can enjoy it.? I won't be stupid, but I won't save for when we are 85...? we won't enjoy those vacations.? ?We plan on buying a super C motor home and seeing the US.? We have triplet boys.? They are 16.? Two of them will be amazing citizens.? ?My third son is Autistic and is awesome too.? Most likely will live with us till we die.
We may move someday.? If we do, my shop will be AMAZING,? because of the so cal real estate money.
Until then, we enjoy life.
I am in Kauai right now with my wife, my 3 kids and my parents at an amazing resort.? The 10 days here makes me better at everything.
So, I can't wait for all of your insight.? This forum is AWESOME.? I WILL set up so.ething for AWFS in 2 years to see as many of you as possible.?
Live your dreams. Involve your kids.
Life is way too short
PK
-- Eric J. Smith? Trading as W.G. Joinery ABN# 24 079 587 520 03 5784 9258 0411 264 272
PO BOX 353? Broadford Victoria
3658 Australia
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Re: Shaper talk F700z vs. F900z
In general terms, are the internals of the Format 4 machines essentially 900-series internals, or are they another level higher in terms of motors, trunions, etc…?
Yes, in general that’s true, but it depends a lot on the specific machine. ? Certainly in the sliding-table shapers, the Format-4 versions are souped-up 900-series machines. ? Felder might quibble that it’s the other way around, but the guts are the same. ?
David Best
https://www.instagram.com/davidpbest/
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Re: Would you buy a combo Shaper/Saw?
Imran, when you get here if you in Melbourne at all let me know you can come an hour north and loook at some kangaroos, wombats, and a vey disorganised workshop with, a very old felder combo in it!? Cheers Eric
On Sat, 24 Jul 2021 at 2:03 pm, imranindiana via <imranindiana= [email protected]> wrote: ???PK,
For many of the same reasons I started taking 3 months off every year ~5 yrs ago to go to Pakistan to be with my parents. In USA, Family Medical Leave Act (FMLA) is an amazing law. One can take 16 weeks off w/o pay in 1/2 day increments or all in one shot. FMLA, applies to companies with 50 or more employees.
Now both of them are gone and I am glad that I was with them more than just once a year. Second step was to retire early and enjoy life while I can. Did that end of 2019 at 59.5 yahooo.
Final step is to convince my wife to retire. She is only 53 but would likely retire in no more than 2 yrs. Since she works from home it is not too bad other than taking long vacations. She has however gotten approval for 4 weeks off next year. If Covid is behind us we plan to take a month long trip to downunder. Life is short don’t wait too long to enjoy it.
Imran ?I made a decision a few years ago.? Life has been good.? I will not wait to reward myself.? ?I will not play the retirement game.? If we can afford it, I will do it NOW while I can afford it.? We won't be in debt.. And while I can enjoy it.? I won't be stupid, but I won't save for when we are 85...? we won't enjoy those vacations.? ?We plan on buying a super C motor home and seeing the US.? We have triplet boys.? They are 16.? Two of them will be amazing citizens.? ?My third son is Autistic and is awesome too.? Most likely will live with us till we die.
We may move someday.? If we do, my shop will be AMAZING,? because of the so cal real estate money.
Until then, we enjoy life.
I am in Kauai right now with my wife, my 3 kids and my parents at an amazing resort.? The 10 days here makes me better at everything.
So, I can't wait for all of your insight.? This forum is AWESOME.? I WILL set up so.ething for AWFS in 2 years to see as many of you as possible.?
Live your dreams. Involve your kids.
Life is way too short
PK
-- Eric J. Smith? Trading as W.G. Joinery ABN# 24 079 587 520 03 5784 9258 0411 264 272
PO BOX 353? Broadford Victoria
3658 Australia
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Re: Would you buy a combo Shaper/Saw?
???PK,
For many of the same reasons I started taking 3 months off every year ~5 yrs ago to go to Pakistan to be with my parents. In USA, Family Medical Leave Act (FMLA) is an amazing law. One can take 16 weeks off w/o pay in 1/2 day increments or all in one shot. FMLA, applies to companies with 50 or more employees.
Now both of them are gone and I am glad that I was with them more than just once a year. Second step was to retire early and enjoy life while I can. Did that end of 2019 at 59.5 yahooo.
Final step is to convince my wife to retire. She is only 53 but would likely retire in no more than 2 yrs. Since she works from home it is not too bad other than taking long vacations. She has however gotten approval for 4 weeks off next year. If Covid is behind us we plan to take a month long trip to downunder. Life is short don’t wait too long to enjoy it.
Imran
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On Jul 23, 2021, at 8:25 PM, PK <paul.kellymjc@...> wrote: ?I made a decision a few years ago.? Life has been good.? I will not wait to reward myself.? ?I will not play the retirement game.? If we can afford it, I will do it NOW while I can afford it.? We won't be in debt.. And while I can enjoy it.? I won't be stupid, but I won't save for when we are 85...? we won't enjoy those vacations.? ?We plan on buying a super C motor home and seeing the US.? We have triplet boys.? They are 16.? Two of them will be amazing citizens.? ?My third son is Autistic and is awesome too.? Most likely will live with us till we die.
We may move someday.? If we do, my shop will be AMAZING,? because of the so cal real estate money.
Until then, we enjoy life.
I am in Kauai right now with my wife, my 3 kids and my parents at an amazing resort.? The 10 days here makes me better at everything.
So, I can't wait for all of your insight.? This forum is AWESOME.? I WILL set up so.ething for AWFS in 2 years to see as many of you as possible.?
Live your dreams. Involve your kids.
Life is way too short
PK
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PK, I will have to second that. I grew up wood working with my dad and have done many different aspects of it in my time, His last major project was to build a boat.. He passed at 62 and I realized that I will not get cut short so I worked my ass off and invested and retired at 50. Although it took a toll on my body I do have one thing,? full freedom to play in the shop or whatever it might be.? There is nothing better than to sleep in if I want and get up and think about what I want to do today. Shop, go to the lake, have beer with my friends..... Occasionally I have to be serious for the contractors I do stuff for but they seem to come pick up their product and hang out for a cold one.Bottom line is life is too short, don't waste it.
Glen
Alpine Moulding and Millwork Inc.
Mail: ?? P.O. Box 486
?????????? Murphys , CA. 95247 Shop: 441 Pennsylvania Gulch Road ????????? Murphys, CA. 95247
????????? 209-540-7501
LIC # 707507
Maui Gold? David Best - via mobile phone? ?I made a decision a few years ago.? Life has been good.? I will not wait to reward myself.? ?I will not play the retirement game.? If we can afford it, I will do it NOW while I can afford it.? We won't be in debt.. And while I can enjoy it.? I won't be stupid, but I won't save for when we are 85...? we won't enjoy those vacations.? ?We plan on buying a super C motor home and seeing the US.? We have triplet boys.? They are 16.? Two of them will be amazing citizens.? ?My third son is Autistic and is awesome too.? Most likely will live with us till we die.
We may move someday.? If we do, my shop will be AMAZING,? because of the so cal real estate money.
Until then, we enjoy life.
I am in Kauai right now with my wife, my 3 kids and my parents at an amazing resort.? The 10 days here makes me better at everything.
So, I can't wait for all of your insight.? This forum is AWESOME.? I WILL set up so.ething for AWFS in 2 years to see as many of you as possible.?
Live your dreams. Involve your kids.
Life is way too short
PK
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Re: Facilitating remote start on single phase RL125
I put physical solenoids on my 160? and wired them to little
momentary switches?? at each of my work stations.? I can turn it
on and off from wherever I am in the shop. I considered a remote
and decided I'd just lose it.
The hard part was finding the right solenoids. I don't know how
to read the tech specs sop it was trial and error.
On 7/23/21 4:18 PM, habacomike via
groups.io wrote:
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Is this still the best way to get this to work? ?I’m in the
process of fixing up my shop (for some reason, my spouse refers to
it as a garage even though her assigned parking spot is in the
driveway, at least in good weather).
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Maui Gold? David Best - via mobile phone?
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On Jul 23, 2021, at 8:25 PM, PK <paul.kellymjc@...> wrote:
?I made a decision a few years ago.? Life has been good.? I will not wait to reward myself.? ?I will not play the retirement game.? If we can afford it, I will do it NOW while I can afford it.? We won't be in debt.. And while I can enjoy it.? I won't be stupid, but I won't save for when we are 85...? we won't enjoy those vacations.? ?We plan on buying a super C motor home and seeing the US.? We have triplet boys.? They are 16.? Two of them will be amazing citizens.? ?My third son is Autistic and is awesome too.? Most likely will live with us till we die.
We may move someday.? If we do, my shop will be AMAZING,? because of the so cal real estate money.
Until then, we enjoy life.
I am in Kauai right now with my wife, my 3 kids and my parents at an amazing resort.? The 10 days here makes me better at everything.
So, I can't wait for all of your insight.? This forum is AWESOME.? I WILL set up so.ething for AWFS in 2 years to see as many of you as possible.?
Live your dreams. Involve your kids.
Life is way too short
PK
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I made a decision a few years ago.? Life has been good.? I will not wait to reward myself.? ?I will not play the retirement game.? If we can afford it, I will do it NOW while I can afford it.? We won't be in debt.. And while I can enjoy it.? I won't be stupid, but I won't save for when we are 85...? we won't enjoy those vacations.? ?We plan on buying a super C motor home and seeing the US.? We have triplet boys.? They are 16.? Two of them will be amazing citizens.? ?My third son is Autistic and is awesome too.? Most likely will live with us till we die.
We may move someday.? If we do, my shop will be AMAZING,? because of the so cal real estate money.
Until then, we enjoy life.
I am in Kauai right now with my wife, my 3 kids and my parents at an amazing resort.? The 10 days here makes me better at everything.
So, I can't wait for all of your insight.? This forum is AWESOME.? I WILL set up so.ething for AWFS in 2 years to see as many of you as possible.?
Live your dreams. Involve your kids.
Life is way too short
PK
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Re: Would you buy a combo Shaper/Saw?
Yeah, that ship has sailed Dave Davies
Heading to 55? I would love to be 55 again, as long as I didn’t have to go back to work.
-- Dave & Marie Davies
318-219-7868
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Heading to 55? I would love to be 55 again, as long as I didn’t have to go back to work.
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Bam JP!
#71 is what I need!!!!??
Also want Mac's clamps and more!!!
Thanks for that detailed response.? ?I am heading to 55 in August and I agree, life is short. I don't buy sports cars, but a lifetime J/P check, A lifetime saw check.? Now a lifetime shaper...
PK
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Re: Shaper talk F700z vs. F900z
David Best,
Thank you very much for your insight regarding the 700 vs. 900. It's easy to look at the specs in the catalog and see things like table opening size, etc, but it's really helpful to put those specs in the context of "If you plan on performing X operation, you'll be well-served with a 700-series, but if you plan on performing Y tasks, then you'll want the 900".?
I suspect it goes without saying that we'd all want the best of everything, but with financial resources being finite, it's really helpful to know what is "good enough", when going overboard might preclude another machine altogether, or seriously delay growth.?
In general terms, are the internals of the Format 4 machines essentially 900-series internals, or are they another level higher in terms of motors, trunions, etc...??
+1 on the Aigner fences. The fences themselves are great, plus there's a slew of accessories that expand on the basic functionality.?
--
Tom Gensmer
Heritage Home Renewals, LLC
Minneapolis, MN
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I am sure there is a method to the madness here...
I feel an upsell coming my way!!!
PK
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There you go.? Just need two upgrades rather than one.? What is the pricing upcharge for the 45 vs the 900 ?? I had thought the Format was a bigger machine.? Nice.? Dave
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Felder offers the 900 with a substantially better fence and hood - it’s the Profil 45 Z ?(non-xMotion model, which is what I own). ?Terrific mid-sized machine when equipped with the Aigner
fence plates. ?
? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?? 
The fence has motorized positioning with a DRO.
And has a flip up/back/over tilt-away system that makes it super simple to get the entire hood elevated for tooling changes or flipped over a full 180-degrees to clear the top of any obstruction. ?
David Best
https://www.instagram.com/davidpbest/
On Jul 23, 2021, at 5:52 PM, David Kumm < davekumm@...> wrote:
I think the 900 series is maybe the best mid size sliding table shaper on the market.? I don't know why Felder hobbled it with the same fence.? The fence on my T130 is much better.?
Larger, stronger, and with a counter on each side for setting.? A 900 with that fence or one from an old martin shaper would be ideal.? I have a T130 slider but the cast iron sliding table is not nearly as nice or handy as the Felder.? I leveled the table
with the fixed and use the T130 for anything using a feeder and my old F7 when I want a slider.? The smaller table opening is restricting when tilting but the upside is that the sliding table runs closer to the spindle so the add on tenon table is rarely needed.?
I like the combination of the two machines but I have the room.? Dave
There are two fairly significant differences: the F900Z has an optional 320mm opening, so if you'll be doing , say, large raised panel elements, that would be a factor. Also, there's an option for electronic motor speed control vs. changing
the belt position on the spindle, a very nice feature.
That said, my F700Z (7.5HP, 3-phase) with DC40 has served me well in every respect. The so-called Smart Stand for the CoMatic, plus the height gauge, are good investments in every way. By the by, you can open up the motor electronics module on
the DC40 and swop?wires around to convert it from?230V / 3 phase to regular 230V to?120 V?- ShopGear's guy who knows this stuff is on at the AWFS stand and will be happy to explain to anyone.
Please consider: The Aigner fence is worth every penny, though it takes a lot of those to get one ;-) It's indeed more affordable in total with the F700Z and for me, it's a must- have.. Also keep in mind that the tooling quickly adds up to a very
large sum, so another budget consideration, along with your space constraint, favoring the 700.
Speaking of aspirational, the Martin guy had to shoo me away from the T27 as I was about to rust the table by drooling all over it...
Good luck with whatever you finally decide, regards
Eric
Tom,
I feel you and I are of the same mindset.
Would I ever buy tooling beyond 8" diameter?
PK
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PK, it is very difficult to figure out all the option, Felder really doesn't make the buying process easy. Originally I was looking at the K700 but as I keep adding options the price keep going higher and higher. At the end of day I changed my order from a fully loaded K700 to the Kappa 400 X-Motion. At age 63 I figure this will be my last saw and I didn't want any regrets. I spent many hours here researching the options and pouring over the catalog. David Best was a huge help and we exchanged many emails and had a couple of phone calls. I ended up configuring my saw with 3 digital stops on the crosscut fence, 7.5hp motor, 2800mm sliding table and #139 integrated remote switches on sliding table. Other options included: #82 Classic scoring unit with #88 electrical height adjustment with automatic rise and fall, #79 scoring unit LED status light, #71 storage compartment for 5 saw blades, #161 1250 x 650mm X-Roll outrigger table with adjustable support and digital angle display, 120m scoring blade, 400mm rip blade, #780 /quick-Lock, Felder Dado blade set and 1 full surface support 430-213. From my previous K500 I already have side hand lever (butt bar), X-Roll parallel fence 430-149 and the fantastic Airtight clamps from Mac.
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Re: Shaper talk F700z vs. F900z
Felder offers the 900 with a substantially better fence and hood - it’s the Profil 45 Z ?(non-xMotion model, which is what I own). ?Terrific mid-sized machine when equipped with the Aigner fence plates. ?
? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?? 
The fence has motorized positioning with a DRO.
And has a flip up/back/over tilt-away system that makes it super simple to get the entire hood elevated for tooling changes or flipped over a full 180-degrees to clear the top of any obstruction. ?
David Best
https://www.instagram.com/davidpbest/
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On Jul 23, 2021, at 5:52 PM, David Kumm < davekumm@...> wrote:
I think the 900 series is maybe the best mid size sliding table shaper on the market.? I don't know why Felder hobbled it with the same fence.? The fence on my T130 is much better.? Larger, stronger, and with a counter on each side for setting.? A 900 with
that fence or one from an old martin shaper would be ideal.? I have a T130 slider but the cast iron sliding table is not nearly as nice or handy as the Felder.? I leveled the table with the fixed and use the T130 for anything using a feeder and my old F7 when
I want a slider.? The smaller table opening is restricting when tilting but the upside is that the sliding table runs closer to the spindle so the add on tenon table is rarely needed.? I like the combination of the two machines but I have the room.? Dave
There are two fairly significant differences: the F900Z has an optional 320mm opening, so if you'll be doing , say, large raised panel elements, that would be a factor. Also, there's an option for electronic motor speed control vs. changing the
belt position on the spindle, a very nice feature.
That said, my F700Z (7.5HP, 3-phase) with DC40 has served me well in every respect. The so-called Smart Stand for the CoMatic, plus the height gauge, are good investments in every way. By the by, you can open up the motor electronics module on the DC40
and swop?wires around to convert it from?230V / 3 phase to regular 230V to?120 V?- ShopGear's guy who knows this stuff is on at the AWFS stand and will be happy to explain to anyone.
Please consider: The Aigner fence is worth every penny, though it takes a lot of those to get one ;-) It's indeed more affordable in total with the F700Z and for me, it's a must- have.. Also keep in mind that the tooling quickly adds up to a very large
sum, so another budget consideration, along with your space constraint, favoring the 700.
Speaking of aspirational, the Martin guy had to shoo me away from the T27 as I was about to rust the table by drooling all over it...
Good luck with whatever you finally decide, regards
Eric
Tom,
I feel you and I are of the same mindset.
Would I ever buy tooling beyond 8" diameter?
PK
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Re: Shaper talk F700z vs. F900z
I think the 900 series is maybe the best mid size sliding table shaper on the market.? I don't know why Felder hobbled it with the same fence.? The fence on my T130 is much better.? Larger, stronger, and with a counter on each side for setting.? A 900 with
that fence or one from an old martin shaper would be ideal.? I have a T130 slider but the cast iron sliding table is not nearly as nice or handy as the Felder.? I leveled the table with the fixed and use the T130 for anything using a feeder and my old F7 when
I want a slider.? The smaller table opening is restricting when tilting but the upside is that the sliding table runs closer to the spindle so the add on tenon table is rarely needed.? I like the combination of the two machines but I have the room.? Dave
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There are two fairly significant differences: the F900Z has an optional 320mm opening, so if you'll be doing , say, large raised panel elements, that would be a factor. Also, there's an option for electronic motor speed control vs. changing the
belt position on the spindle, a very nice feature.
That said, my F700Z (7.5HP, 3-phase) with DC40 has served me well in every respect. The so-called Smart Stand for the CoMatic, plus the height gauge, are good investments in every way. By the by, you can open up the motor electronics module on the DC40
and swop?wires around to convert it from?230V / 3 phase to regular 230V to?120 V?- ShopGear's guy who knows this stuff is on at the AWFS stand and will be happy to explain to anyone.
Please consider: The Aigner fence is worth every penny, though it takes a lot of those to get one ;-) It's indeed more affordable in total with the F700Z and for me, it's a must- have.. Also keep in mind that the tooling quickly adds up to a very large
sum, so another budget consideration, along with your space constraint, favoring the 700.
Speaking of aspirational, the Martin guy had to shoo me away from the T27 as I was about to rust the table by drooling all over it...
Good luck with whatever you finally decide, regards
Eric
Tom,
I feel you and I are of the same mindset.
Would I ever buy tooling beyond 8" diameter?
PK
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It was in an email that I received, here it is…
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On Jul 23, 2021, at 8:19 PM, Jared Leach <leach.jared@...> wrote:
? Where did you read that at? I did a cursory google search but had no luck. On Fri, Jul 23, 2021 at 4:37 PM Cliff Rohrabacher, Esq. < rohrabacher@...> wrote:
?I mean they came right out and said it:
"Unfortunately, several attempts at
manipulation hindered the voting of our #felderchallenge."
So some jerks were cheating?
How unfortunate.
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Where did you read that at? I did a cursory google search but had no luck.
On Fri, Jul 23, 2021 at 4:37 PM Cliff Rohrabacher, Esq. < rohrabacher@...> wrote:
?I mean they came right out and said it:
"Unfortunately, several attempts at
manipulation hindered the voting of our #felderchallenge."
So some jerks were cheating?
How unfortunate.
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PK
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