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Re: Feedback on the sliding saw selection
This KF on Felder site is in Wyoming.
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On Mar 28, 2025, at 2:27?AM, Stan K via groups.io <4279427@...> wrote:
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Yes, I saw this unit on the shelf in the warehouse. Funnily enough, the website shows me 13.5k as the price, which might be a regional variation.
On Thu, Mar 27, 2025 at 23:17, Aaron Inami <
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Hey Stan,
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I'm not sure if this would be something you would consider, but Felder has a "new-returned" Hammer combination machine in their Sacramento warehouse for $12.5k
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The listing states "Hammer C3 31", but the pictures show a machine that actually looks like a "C3 41 Comfort" (due to the length of of the jointer table).?? The retail on the C3 41 Comfort is $14.36k, so it looks like a bit of a savings.?? I don't know what components/options are part of this unit.?? If you're interested, you probably want to talk to them to confirm what the actual model number is.
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-Aaron Inami
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Re: Adding Remote Control Switches on Felder
Kevin, my vote would be to share it with the group.? I would be interested in a remote start option for my soon-to-arrive K3.
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Re: #forsale Big Squeeze air clamps
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Weird I'll take a look at that. Thanks Jonathan!
On Fri, Mar 28, 2025 at 3:05?AM Jonathan Martens via <jonathan= [email protected]> wrote: Hi Brad,
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I wonder how many members actually received your message. I and perhaps a lot of others read this list through e-mail and the large attachments (your video is 52MB!) caused the message to not be accepted by my email server and to trigger a bounce message.
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Even replying on the web portal of took some effort.
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Kind regards,
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Jonathan
-- Brad Wall Woodworker515.720.3382
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Re: #forsale Big Squeeze air clamps
#forsale
Brad what is the price for the clamps I may be interested?
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Re: #forsale Big Squeeze air clamps
#forsale
Hi Brad,
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I wonder how many members actually received your message. I and perhaps a lot of others read this list through e-mail and the large attachments (your video is 52MB!) caused the message to not be accepted by my email server and groups.io to trigger a bounce message.
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Even replying on the web portal of groups.io took some effort.
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Kind regards,
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Jonathan
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Re: Feedback on the sliding saw selection
Yes, I saw this unit on the shelf in the warehouse. Funnily enough, the website shows me 13.5k as the price, which might be a regional variation.
On Thu, Mar 27, 2025 at 23:17, Aaron Inami < ainami@...> wrote:
Hey Stan,
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I'm not sure if this would be something you would consider, but Felder has a "new-returned" Hammer combination machine in their Sacramento warehouse for $12.5k
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The listing states "Hammer C3 31", but the pictures show a machine that actually looks like a "C3 41 Comfort" (due to the length of of the jointer table).?? The retail on the C3 41 Comfort is $14.36k, so it looks like a bit of a savings.?? I don't know what components/options are part of this unit.?? If you're interested, you probably want to talk to them to confirm what the actual model number is.
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-Aaron Inami
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Re: Feedback on the sliding saw selection
Hey Stan,
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I'm not sure if this would be something you would consider, but Felder has a "new-returned" Hammer combination machine in their Sacramento warehouse for $12.5k
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The listing states "Hammer C3 31", but the pictures show a machine that actually looks like a "C3 41 Comfort" (due to the length of of the jointer table).?? The retail on the C3 41 Comfort is $14.36k, so it looks like a bit of a savings.?? I don't know what components/options are part of this unit.?? If you're interested, you probably want to talk to them to confirm what the actual model number is.
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-Aaron Inami
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Re: Feedback on the sliding saw selection
Why, that's a thought. That's probably table plus carriage, not the table alone? I will ask my rep, thank you for the idea.
On Thu, Mar 27, 2025 at 22:23, Karl via groups.io < bombamanwa@...> wrote:
It's not something that's discussed often, there is also an option of getting a KF700/S with a slider and upgrading the slider later to a longer one that's compatible with the chassis length. But yes as you've noted it will be a factory order?
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-Karl
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Re: Feedback on the sliding saw selection
It's not something that's discussed often, there is also an option of getting a KF700/S with a slider and upgrading the slider later to a longer one that's compatible with the chassis length. But yes as you've noted it will be a factory order?
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Hammer C3-41 Sliding Table Question
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I have a Hammer C3-41 with the 79 inch table. I have found that the back 20 inches of the sliding table gradually "kicks up" more than 0.020". Almost like the tail of a skateboard. The remainder of the table is flat (within a couple of thousandths) for the first 60 inches of travel. I am referencing with a dial gauge mounted to the iron table about 2 inches in front of the saw blade. I've looked in the posts but only see information about leveling the entire table. Has anyone encountered this issue?
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Mike Corcoran?
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Re: Feedback on the sliding saw selection
Yes, I did visit the showroom and there is no doubt that 700s are a big step up in overall feel and finish over a B3. However, it is not a free choice. I think everyone here agrees that buying a short stroke 700 will pretty much close off the option to resell it down the road. Everyone who's in the market for a 700 will want the longest stroke. I don't think that's true for Hammer market. My gut feel is that 2000 or even a 1350 B3 will take a smaller depreciation hit.
The parallel that comes to my mind is Porsche vs Miata. Both are excellent cars but built to different priorities. I would not trade my 987 for anything but a Miata helped me understand what I do and don't want in a sports car. And the analogy still holds in that the capability ceiling of either of the machines is way above my skills ceiling.
Buying used is perfectly acceptable and I many of my tools came to the shop thoroughly preloved. If anyone here is west of Rockies and willing to part with a saw-shaper, I am definitely interested. I might be looking in wrong spots, but classifieds on woodweb and machineworld are nigh barren. Folks on the other side of the pond seem to have it much easier. I get a feeling that it will take me months to even catch a glimpse of a B3 or a KF within a thousand miles. (On the other hand, I've been quoted a lead time of 20 weeks by our Felder rep, so it will be a drag either way.)
On Thu, Mar 27, 2025 at 19:23, Karl via groups.io < bombamanwa@...> wrote:
Hey Stan,
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Did you mention where your located? If a showroom isnt near by, might be someone with a unit you can get up to and see.
Either way I think your making the right decision going for a Euro Slider, I agree with the sentiment around a larger slider, I fit a K700S w/2800mm slider and a 1500mm outrigger in my ~22x24 2 car garage and can go full travel with the garage door closed which is nice, being in Arizona during summer!
If your going to be using the shaper regularly, the "Quality of Life" improvements going to the Felder Saw-Shapers, and much better upgradeability.
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If you want some example pricing, I had the following quoted in late 2023 before I settled on my K700S with a seperate F700Z shaper
B3 Winner
Single Phase 3kW
Scoring Blade
Multi-Fine Spindle
2000mm Slider and 1100mm Outrigger
Precision Mitre Index
$9,039 (Commissioning would be about $1,100)
Comparable KF700 (non-s!)
Single Phase 3kW
Scoring Blade
On/Off Switch on Sliding Table
2500mm slider w 1300mm Outrigger (Its debatable but you can *just* rip a 4x8 sheet of plywood on a 2,500 slider, but there isn't much room for clamps
Multi-Adjusmtnet Spiondle Fence
Overhead Saw Guard
$18,562 (Commissioning would be about $1,400)
The B3 was a stock unit, the the KF700 was a factory order as they stock them with 2050.
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Re: Feedback on the sliding saw selection
Hey Stan,
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Did you mention where your located? If a showroom isnt near by, might be someone with a unit you can get up to and see.
Either way I think your making the right decision going for a Euro Slider, I agree with the sentiment around a larger slider, I fit a K700S w/2800mm slider and a 1500mm outrigger in my ~22x24 2 car garage and can go full travel with the garage door closed which is nice, being in Arizona during summer!
If your going to be using the shaper regularly, the "Quality of Life" improvements going to the Felder Saw-Shapers, and much better upgradeability.
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If you want some example pricing, I had the following quoted in late 2023 before I settled on my K700S with a seperate F700Z shaper
B3 Winner
Single Phase 3kW
Scoring Blade
Multi-Fine Spindle
2000mm Slider and 1100mm Outrigger
Precision Mitre Index
$9,039 (Commissioning would be about $1,100)
Comparable KF700 (non-s!)
Single Phase 3kW
Scoring Blade
On/Off Switch on Sliding Table
2500mm slider w 1300mm Outrigger (Its debatable but you can *just* rip a 4x8 sheet of plywood on a 2,500 slider, but there isn't much room for clamps
Multi-Adjusmtnet Spiondle Fence
Overhead Saw Guard
$18,562 (Commissioning would be about $1,400)
The B3 was a stock unit, the the KF700 was a factory order as they stock them with 2050.
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-Karl
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Re: Felder AD941 vs SCM Fs41ES
With straight knives do I really have to check the boards carefully for grain direction vs spiral that it doesn't matter so much?
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Re: Feedback on the sliding saw selection
Hi Stan,
Are you located near a Felder showroom. If not, I will highly recommend checking here for someone near you so you can see both Hammer and Felder in person. It will also benefit to learn how these machines are calibrated. I don’t know Hammer well but reading msgs here, my impression is that compared to Hammer, Felder is more user friendly, offers higher level of calibration and has robust mechanics.
Hammer besides being lighter also has less stringent specs to meet the lower price point.
It depends upon one’s personality, these may be of no concern for some but for someone like me both will drive me nuts as even a new Hammer is a substantial outlay of funds.
IMHO, a better de-risk is to buy a used Felder. I know used is not for everyone either but keep in mind that these machines are big and cost substantial amount to move some distance, unless you are in a big market.
This is not an attempt to sway your decision rather equip you with as much info as possible so you can make an informed decision that suits your personality and budget. I believe you have the usage down already.
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On Mar 27, 2025, at 8:55?PM, Aaron Inami via groups.io <ainami@...> wrote: ? [Edited Message Follows]
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Hi Stan,
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At least you know where you want to go.?? You are kind of undecided between the 1250mm table and the 2000mm table (cutting length define the max table movement and are actually misleading and assume you will not use clamps at all).?? You are going to lose about 10" of table length when using clamps and the crosscut fence, so the 1250mm table will only give a maximum cut length of about 39".?? The longer 2000mm table will allow up for a 68" cut length with crosscut fence and clamps.? The 2000mm (6-1/2') table is really not that big, but if you must have the shortest stroke, then so be it.
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Another reason for recommending the longer table is machine configuration.?? You are pretty much looking at either the "B3 winner" or "B3 winner comfort".?? In Felder/Hammer land, it is typically cheaper to get a machine with it's standard configuration rather than a different machine plus a bunch of options added.? So, if you really want a short 1250mm table, you'll need to get the "B3 winner" and then add the options for the 1100 outrigger, 1300 fence and "preparation for DADO" (which are actually standard equipment on "B3 winner comfort" model).
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Then look at any other options which you think you might need (i.e. scoring blade, cast iron rip fence 800/1250, fine adjustment for rip fence).
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-Aaron Inami
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Sorry to hear you will not be able to enjoy this equipment. Good luck to you!
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On Mar 27, 2025, at 6:44?PM, jcew100 via groups.io <jcew100@...> wrote:
? Hello FOG, I have a brand new AD941, a RL 140 and a Nova Voyager drill press for sale. I am located in Austin, Texas. After a really long wait to get all of them I am moving and will not be able to take them with me. Since this is my first post I am not sure of what I can post.?
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Many thanks to David for all of his excellent PDFs which were invaluable in the setup of the AD941.
<Felder AD 941-a.jpg> <Felder AD 941-d.jpg> <Felder RL 140.jpg> <Felder AD 941-c.jpg> <Nova Voyager 1.jpg>
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3D printer file for KF700 crosscut fence block
Has anyone made a file for this doohickey? 2001 vintage KF700.
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J. Holtz Furniture
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Minneapolis, MN 55406
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Re: Fixing Felder X-roll short cross cut fence T-nut - AKA group buy of improved T-nut
Wade,
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The single machine kit will Include the T-nut with screws.
you would need to send your aluminum + Kipp lever for modification. If you want to keep your aluminum block you are welcome to buy a new one from
Felder and sent it to my address (unless there will be more than just you who want a new aluminum block, in this case I can buy them together from Felder)
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Re: Feedback on the sliding saw selection
Stan,
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Good that all the contributions allowed you to define the approach that suits you. Whether you choose a Hammer or a Felder unit, you will enjoy the quality and the pleasure of working with good equipment.
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Pursuing on Aaron’s message, here are a few other comments:
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- While I find the 2000mm slider well suited to my needs, the type of work I do would be more difficult with the 1250mm model. A lot of people are fine with the 1250, again, this is directly related to your projects;
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- At some point you will have to decide what shaper tooling to buy. I have the 30mm spindle (in fact, I was supposed to have the multi-spindle option, but a last minute error at ordering time negated this possibility) because it allows me to use saw blades and dado on both saw and shaper. This was not a big problem for me since I started from scratch. If you already own or have access to 1.25inch tooling, you may wish to consider having both sizes. I believe that you were already planning to order the router spindle.?
- Depending on the projects you want to carry out, you may wish to order the curved hood and the tenoning hood/plate at the time you order your machine - this will save you some dollars on shipping costs down the road;
?- I ordered the small (93mm) Euro-block in my initial order. If I had to do it again, I would order the larger cutter (114mm), which will allow you to use both 40mm and 50mm knives/limiters.
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Please let me know if you want to discuss the power feeder items off line.?
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I hope these few lines will be helpful,
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Jacques
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Re: OT: Teknatools USA affiliate (maker of Nova drill presses) files for CH 11 reorganization
Imram - after googling, I guess you are correct.?? I just have never seen a machine in that configuration.
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Brian - the one problem area I have seen on the Nova Voyager is the design of the table.?? Apparently, many people have had problems with "locking down the table".?? It can be seen here:
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Have you had any issues with the Laguna with the table itself?
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-Aaron Inami
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Re: OT: Teknatools USA affiliate (maker of Nova drill presses) files for CH 11 reorganization
Hi Aaron,
Isn’t it similar to Reeves drive in principle which is used on machines?
I have not kept up on CVTs but Honda, Nissan and Toyota all use them. The interesting fact in early development was to use the chain in compression vs tension for better torque transfer.
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On Mar 27, 2025, at 7:55?PM, Aaron Inami via groups.io <ainami@...> wrote: ? The Powermatic 2800B uses what is called a Constantly Variable Transmission (CVT) -- (inside the 2800B, it's actually 2 separate CVTs).? I have not seen any other woodworking machinery that uses this type of transmission (usually it's geared speeds, switching pullies or VFD). ? This type of transmission is actually commonly found in hybrid cars (think Toyota Prius), but I'm sure the carmakers have engineered this much better.
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You can see the actual transmission working here in this video at the 12 minute mark:
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-Aaron Inami
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