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Re: Feedback on the sliding saw selection


 

Yes, I did visit the showroom and there is no doubt that 700s are a big step up in overall feel and finish over a B3. However, it is not a free choice. I think everyone here agrees that buying a short stroke 700 will pretty much close off the option to resell it down the road. Everyone who's in the market for a 700 will want the longest stroke. I don't think that's true for Hammer market. My gut feel is that 2000 or even a 1350 B3 will take a smaller depreciation hit.

The parallel that comes to my mind is Porsche vs Miata. Both are excellent cars but built to different priorities. I would not trade my 987 for anything but a Miata helped me understand what I do and don't want in a sports car. And the analogy still holds in that the capability ceiling of either of the machines is way above my skills ceiling.

Buying used is perfectly acceptable and I many of my tools came to the shop thoroughly preloved. If anyone here is west of Rockies and willing to part with a saw-shaper, I am definitely interested. I might be looking in wrong spots, but classifieds on woodweb and machineworld are nigh barren. Folks on the other side of the pond seem to have it much easier. I get a feeling that it will take me months to even catch a glimpse of a B3 or a KF within a thousand miles. (On the other hand, I've been quoted a lead time of 20 weeks by our Felder rep, so it will be a drag either way.)



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On Thu, Mar 27, 2025 at 19:23, Karl via groups.io <bombamanwa@...> wrote:
Hey Stan,
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Did you mention where your located? If a showroom isnt near by, might be someone with a unit you can get up to and see.

Either way I think your making the right decision going for a Euro Slider, I agree with the sentiment around a larger slider, I fit a K700S w/2800mm slider and a 1500mm outrigger in my ~22x24 2 car garage and can go full travel with the garage door closed which is nice, being in Arizona during summer!
If your going to be using the shaper regularly, the "Quality of Life" improvements going to the Felder Saw-Shapers, and much better upgradeability.
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If you want some example pricing, I had the following quoted in late 2023 before I settled on my K700S with a seperate F700Z shaper

B3 Winner
Single Phase 3kW
Scoring Blade
Multi-Fine Spindle
2000mm Slider and 1100mm Outrigger
Precision Mitre Index
$9,039 (Commissioning would be about $1,100)

Comparable KF700 (non-s!)
Single Phase 3kW
Scoring Blade
On/Off Switch on Sliding Table
2500mm slider w 1300mm Outrigger (Its debatable but you can *just* rip a 4x8 sheet of plywood on a 2,500 slider, but there isn't much room for clamps
Multi-Adjusmtnet Spiondle Fence
Overhead Saw Guard
$18,562 (Commissioning would be about $1,400)

The B3 was a stock unit, the the KF700 was a factory order as they stock them with 2050.

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-Karl
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