Re: How much pressure does your pin nailer require?
Imran,
I also have the Grex 23g pin nailer, and 90-100PSI are sufficient to drive the pin through the surface.
I don't remember if I used it on hard maple, but for soft maple/walnut I am able to drive the nail (1-1/4") all the way.
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I think I have a piece of hard maple at the shop and can try it tonight if that helps.
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Processing Rails & Stiles for Cabinet Doors: Space Balls compatibility with 3/8¡± groove
I ordered 0.26¡± balls from panel buddies. I called them to confirm if they will be okay compressed to 1/8¡± (1/4¡± wide and 3/8¡± deep groove; 1/4¡± of the panel tongue to be in the groove) and they said it should be okay.
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I thought that these made clamping a bit harder than it needs to be.
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Is my use case considered normal?
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Panel buddies also offer rectangular pads. Has anyone used these?
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Imran Malik
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Processing Rails & Stiles for Cabinet Doors
Got a long drive so might as well use this time to ask a few questions.
Finished my first raised panel door project and I have some questions. I would post them separately so the discussion is easier to follow.
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Re: How much pressure does your pin nailer require?
¡°Make the back of the driver blade slightly longer than the front¡±
Thanks Mike. That is very clear.
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On Jan 2, 2025, at 11:49?AM, Mike Blake via groups.io <me.blake@...> wrote: ? Imran,
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Make the back of the driver blade slightly longer than the front. ?Doesn¡¯t take much
to keep it from bouncing off the nail/staple.?
You can remove the driver from the tool, or hold the triggers down and use a grinder carefully.?
Mike
M.E. Blake General Contractors?
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Re: How much pressure does your pin nailer require?
I don¡¯t recall where I got the information, but I use 90 PSI for Porter Cable pin and Brad nailers. I¡¯ve never had a problem using that pressure.
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Re: How much pressure does your pin nailer require?
Imran,
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Make the back of the driver blade slightly longer than the front. ?Doesn¡¯t take much
to keep it from bouncing off the nail/staple.?
You can remove the driver from the tool, or hold the triggers down and use a grinder carefully.?
Mike
M.E. Blake General Contractors?
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Re: How much pressure does your pin nailer require?
Hi Mike,
Thanks, this is very helpful. One thing is clear with all responses and my own experience that the pin nailer is no different than other nailers and should not require more that 100 PSI. So I am going to stop worrying about the compressor side of the equation. It however did reveal that the cut-out had drifted by 5 PSI which is now fixed ?
Since I was pinning the stiles in the middle of the rail tenon, ¡°shiners¡± was not a concern. I am assuming you just added it as a precaution and nailing with chisel end along the grain (which I sometimes did do due to the clamps being in the way) is not a contributing factor for the partially driven pins.?
I will be back in shop on Monday and see what I can do with the beveling of the driver blade advice. Is the bevel on the tip (end) or the back side of the driver?
Imran Malik
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On Jan 2, 2025, at 1:36?AM, Mike Blake via groups.io <me.blake@...> wrote: ? Hi Imran,
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Try holding the triggers down (without nails) and see how long the driver blade extends. If it
extends 1/8¡± or so, you can put a slight bevel to the driver blade ¡®back to front¡¯ which tends to solve the problem. ?I do this to all our nailers/staplers. ?To avoid ¡®shiners¡¯ turn the tool 90 degrees so the
nail cuts across the wood grain.
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Back when I worked for Senco, we rarely ran tools over 95 psi as it increased repairs, and in
those days we drove our van to the job site, and did it for free¡
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Mike
M.E. Blake General Contractors?
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Re: Double Electric Wall Ovens & Induction Cooktops
On Wed, Jan 1, 2025 at 08:09 PM, John Hinman wrote:
I did not know that a metal object would trigger the controls until your post prompted me to try it.
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What brand of cooktop do you have? My GE is available without the metal bezel, which I agree is totally a nuisance. The controls are clustered near the front, so spills and an errant pot are not much of an issue.
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Take care with the controls, ours are clustered at the front too but it hasn't stopped the odd surprise when something that was just resting gets heated-up unintentionally.
FYI it's a Richmond 1100Ei "hot jalapeno" range cooker, which I've fitted into the old kitchen fireplace. Aside from my earlier comments, it's been great, but there's a slightly entertaining story about how we got it.
The house was built in the 1930s in a late arts and crafts style. It's quite large and everything is very solid - no studwork. I had the entire heating and plumbing system replaced shortly after we moved here and this involved one of the guys running some pipes through a wall from what was shown as "the butler's pantry" into the kitchen. I heard him SDS-drilling for a long time, and then come back for battery packs and a drill extension (it was already 12+ inches) so I told him to give up and try another route. A week or so later the cooker circuit started to trip when one of the ovens was being used. To cut a long story short, I eventually found that where he'd been drilling had come out in the kitchen, but several feet from where he'd thought it would be because of the unusual house design - he had drilled through a wall, through the back of the cooker, through some internal skins and into one of the oven cavities. Moisture was escaping the oven cavity when it was used and causing the RCD to trip. Eventually his insurance paid for the full cost of a new cooker so, as the old one was ancient and due for replacement, it was not a bad result.
Apologies for the rambling tale. Now back to discussing the organised damaging of pieces of wood ;-)
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Dave (in the UK)
Incidentally, all our white goods are Bosch and have been excellent.
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Re: How much pressure does your pin nailer require?
Hi Imran,
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Try holding the triggers down (without nails) and see how long the driver blade extends. If it
extends 1/8¡± or so, you can put a slight bevel to the driver blade ¡®back to front¡¯ which tends to solve the problem. ?I do this to all our nailers/staplers. ?To avoid ¡®shiners¡¯ turn the tool 90 degrees so the
nail cuts across the wood grain.
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Back when I worked for Senco, we rarely ran tools over 95 psi as it increased repairs, and in
those days we drove our van to the job site, and did it for free¡
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Mike
M.E. Blake General Contractors?
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Re: Double Electric Wall Ovens & Induction Cooktops
Hi Mike:
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OK, good to know about Liebherr, but did I read your email correctly? You bought a fridge for your mum ten years ago, and she was 98 and still loves the fridge ¡ so that makes her 108? !!!
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Warm regards,
Lucky
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Designer & Maker
@luckensmeyer
M: 0413 013 115
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Liebherr refrigerators have been pretty good for us the last 15 years or so. ?Like most refrigerators, the ice makers tend to cause problems.. ?In our large kitchen/living room it is quiet compared to other
brands we have used. ?
Ten years ago, we put one in my 98 year old mum¡¯s condo and she still loves it¡
M.E. Blake General Contractors?
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Re: Double Electric Wall Ovens & Induction Cooktops
Liebherr refrigerators have been pretty good for us the last 15 years or so. ?Like most refrigerators, the ice makers tend to cause problems.. ?In our large kitchen/living room it is quiet compared to other brands we have used. ?
Ten years ago, we put one in my 98 year old mum¡¯s condo and she still loves it¡
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Mike
M.E. Blake General Contractors?
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Re: Double Electric Wall Ovens & Induction Cooktops
I bought the cheapest Miele dishwasher available 2 years ago (I think it was just over $1k) and just had my first issue with it. There is a leak in one of the seals on the pump motor housing, which is dripping water into the bottom tray and causing the float switch to activate and stop operation.
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The repair tech has been waiting for a little over a full month now for the replacement parts to come in from overseas, so that has been a bummer.
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He did mention a few positive points about Miele though from his experience as a repair tech: The tray that is catching the leak covers the entire bottom of the unit, whereas others do not. Also it only takes 4 screws to take off the bottom panel and have full access to everything, where most other brands require taking off side panels and more.
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Other than the long wait for replacement parts, the dishwasher has been the best I've owned so far. It runs really quiet, cleans and dries better than cheaper brands I've had before. I would buy it again.
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Larry Long Neck
Just a noob trying to learn the ways of wood
> Making youtube videos now!
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Re: Double Electric Wall Ovens & Induction Cooktops
Mostly because I didn't realize the hood didn't include the blower.
Dave Davies
On Wed, Jan 1, 2025, 9:40 PM David P. Best via <dbestworkshop= [email protected]> wrote: In my remodel consulting business I only spec¡¯d. Bosch and Miele dishwashers depending on budget.? The Miele is much better engineered, more reliable, and easier to install, but the mid-range models are almost 2X the cost of a Bosch.? I¡¯ve also had Miele in all my personal homes (5 different homes since 1985) and never needed a service call on any of them.? My current Miele DW is 12 years old now and still looks/operates like new. ? There IS a reason they cost more.? You didn¡¯t indicate which bower unit for the hood.? If you can use a remote blower, I think you¡¯ll be happier with less noise.
On Jan 1, 2025, at 6:49?PM, David Davies via <myfinishingtouch= [email protected]> wrote:
Short list of appliances.? The Bosch dishwasher seems to have a few negative reviews for the door seal leaking so that choice is still to be finalized. Dave Davies | Double Wall Oven | Bluestar | BSDEWO30SDV3 | $10,696.00? | | Induction Cooktop | Thermador Freedom | CIT36YWB | $6,200.00? | | vent hood | Thermador Freedom | PH36GWS | $2,550.00? | | dishwasher | Bosch | SHX78CM5N | $1,300.00? | | refrigerator | LG 36" 30 cu ft Standard Depth MAX | LF30S8210S | $1,999.00? |
? Unfortunately, the refrigerator industry nowadays is pretty crappy.? It started about 15-18 years ago.? The manufacturers are now producing short-lifetime products.? The biggest problem is the computer boards are made using short-term or low temp electronics (the capacitors are the likeliest element to fail).? And once the computer controller board fails, it's at least an $800 purchase to fix it.? On $$$$ refrigerators, it could be a couple to several thousand dollars.? The dual-zone refrigerators are also poorly designed and have had problems (the ones with independent compressors/cooling for the frig and freezer sections).??
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Probably the most reliable refrigerators today are the GE type with single compressor and mechanical controls (no computer control systems).? Top-freezer units are the most reliable and side-by-side are generally okay.? The bottom freezer units typically have more problems.? I don't know about stuff like Viking and Subzero, so others need to comment on the reliability of these $$$$ units.
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By the way, I still have a 24 year old GE side-by-side refrigerator that I have had minor repairs done to over the years.? I will keep running it until I can't.? So far the compressor and refrigerant has not had any problems.
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-Aaron Inami
-- Dave & Marie Davies
318-219-7868
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Re: Double Electric Wall Ovens & Induction Cooktops
In my remodel consulting business I only spec¡¯d. Bosch and Miele dishwashers depending on budget. ?The Miele is much better engineered, more reliable, and easier to install, but the mid-range models are almost 2X the cost of a Bosch. ?I¡¯ve also had Miele in all my personal homes (5 different homes since 1985) and never needed a service call on any of them. ?My current Miele DW is 12 years old now and still looks/operates like new. ? There IS a reason they cost more. ?You didn¡¯t indicate which bower unit for the hood. ?If you can use a remote blower, I think you¡¯ll be happier with less noise.
David Best
DBestWorkshop@...
https://www.flickr.com/photos/davidpbest/collections/
https://www.youtube.com/@David_Best
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On Jan 1, 2025, at 6:49?PM, David Davies via groups.io <myfinishingtouch@...> wrote:
Short list of appliances.? The Bosch dishwasher seems to have a few negative reviews for the door seal leaking so that choice is still to be finalized. Dave Davies | Double Wall Oven | Bluestar | BSDEWO30SDV3 | $10,696.00? | | Induction Cooktop | Thermador Freedom | CIT36YWB | $6,200.00? | | vent hood | Thermador Freedom | PH36GWS | $2,550.00? | | dishwasher | Bosch | SHX78CM5N | $1,300.00? | | refrigerator | LG 36" 30 cu ft Standard Depth MAX | LF30S8210S | $1,999.00? |
? Unfortunately, the refrigerator industry nowadays is pretty crappy.? It started about 15-18 years ago.? The manufacturers are now producing short-lifetime products.? The biggest problem is the computer boards are made using short-term or low temp electronics (the capacitors are the likeliest element to fail).? And once the computer controller board fails, it's at least an $800 purchase to fix it.? On $$$$ refrigerators, it could be a couple to several thousand dollars.? The dual-zone refrigerators are also poorly designed and have had problems (the ones with independent compressors/cooling for the frig and freezer sections).??
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Probably the most reliable refrigerators today are the GE type with single compressor and mechanical controls (no computer control systems).? Top-freezer units are the most reliable and side-by-side are generally okay.? The bottom freezer units typically have more problems.? I don't know about stuff like Viking and Subzero, so others need to comment on the reliability of these $$$$ units.
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By the way, I still have a 24 year old GE side-by-side refrigerator that I have had minor repairs done to over the years.? I will keep running it until I can't.? So far the compressor and refrigerant has not had any problems.
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-Aaron Inami
-- Dave & Marie Davies
318-219-7868
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Re: Double Electric Wall Ovens & Induction Cooktops
We have been using a Bosch dishwasher for 10 years, and have been very happy with it. SHX68T56UC/02 is the model, and it says it is 44dBA sound level. We bought it as the quietest dishwasher we could find. If/when I need another it will be Bosch.
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It is very quiet! The controls are concealed, and the only way to know it is running is the little red spot projected on the floor. I don¡¯t know how many times I have opened it while running because I could not hear it over other sounds and did not look for the light. It does not leak when opened while running, so that is good.
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Your suggested model says 42 dBA, which should be lower sound level.
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Boise ID
Kappa 450X and A941
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Re: Double Electric Wall Ovens & Induction Cooktops
Short list of appliances.? The Bosch dishwasher seems to have a few negative reviews for the door seal leaking so that choice is still to be finalized. Dave Davies | Double Wall Oven | Bluestar | BSDEWO30SDV3 | $10,696.00? | | Induction Cooktop | Thermador Freedom | CIT36YWB | $6,200.00? | | vent hood | Thermador Freedom | PH36GWS | $2,550.00? | | dishwasher | Bosch | SHX78CM5N | $1,300.00? | | refrigerator | LG 36" 30 cu ft Standard Depth MAX | LF30S8210S | $1,999.00? |
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Unfortunately, the refrigerator industry nowadays is pretty crappy.? It started about 15-18 years ago.? The manufacturers are now producing short-lifetime products.? The biggest problem is the computer boards are made using short-term or low temp electronics (the capacitors are the likeliest element to fail).? And once the computer controller board fails, it's at least an $800 purchase to fix it.? On $$$$ refrigerators, it could be a couple to several thousand dollars.? The dual-zone refrigerators are also poorly designed and have had problems (the ones with independent compressors/cooling for the frig and freezer sections).??
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Probably the most reliable refrigerators today are the GE type with single compressor and mechanical controls (no computer control systems).? Top-freezer units are the most reliable and side-by-side are generally okay.? The bottom freezer units typically have more problems.? I don't know about stuff like Viking and Subzero, so others need to comment on the reliability of these $$$$ units.
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By the way, I still have a 24 year old GE side-by-side refrigerator that I have had minor repairs done to over the years.? I will keep running it until I can't.? So far the compressor and refrigerant has not had any problems.
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-Aaron Inami
-- Dave & Marie Davies
318-219-7868
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Re: Double Electric Wall Ovens & Induction Cooktops
Unfortunately, the refrigerator industry nowadays is pretty crappy.? It started about 15-18 years ago.? The manufacturers are now producing short-lifetime products.? The biggest problem is the computer boards are made using short-term or low temp electronics (the capacitors are the likeliest element to fail).? And once the computer controller board fails, it's at least an $800 purchase to fix it.? On $$$$ refrigerators, it could be a couple to several thousand dollars.? The dual-zone refrigerators are also poorly designed and have had problems (the ones with independent compressors/cooling for the frig and freezer sections).??
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Probably the most reliable refrigerators today are the GE type with single compressor and mechanical controls (no computer control systems).? Top-freezer units are the most reliable and side-by-side are generally okay.? The bottom freezer units typically have more problems.? I don't know about stuff like Viking and Subzero, so others need to comment on the reliability of these $$$$ units.
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By the way, I still have a 24 year old GE side-by-side refrigerator that I have had minor repairs done to over the years.? I will keep running it until I can't.? So far the compressor and refrigerant has not had any problems.
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-Aaron Inami
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Re: How much pressure does your pin nailer require?
Hi Brett,
Thanks for the detailed response.?I did buy Grex pins and?used the oil it came with. Thanks for the spring hammer tip. Appears they work like a spring punch but have a cup end instead of a point.
Listening to you and Tom, what I have is acceptable but if it performed like that at 90-100 PSI range. I will be back in shop on Monday and do some testing and also give Grex a call.
Imran Malik
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On Jan 1, 2025, at 8:54?PM, Brett Wissel via groups.io <Brettwissel@...> wrote: then shoot again. Double tapping helps the pins hold better purchase at opposing angles, too, compared to straight shots. When trim nailiing, I always carry nail sets and my preference is for the Spring Tools variety
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Re: How much pressure does your pin nailer require?
RE: 23ga pinners ....
I don't like any shop tool nailers firing over 90psi without specific regulator?adjustment up and then back down. I find they hold up and hold setting positions better. Framing nailers excluded.
That said, I often run 23ga pinners including our Grex, Porter Cable,? and Harbor Frieght....down around 80-90psi with no issues. I suspect if this is a new gun you need to add some lube somewhere, disassemble/reassemble, adjust and recheck, as I bet the mechanism is binding or out of adjustment. If all checks out otherwise, next advise to run out a 1000 shots or so to run it in and reevaluate.
Next troubleshooting is the pins you are shooting. 23ga tools can be sensitive.. We only run Grex pins in our Grex pinner for consistency, but other pinners will happily run other brands with consistent driving and consistent freedom from jamming. Some pinners don't care if you load the pins backward, others do.
I concur with Tom's assessment that the best setup?still misses setting every shot perfectly, and sometimes dry fires in the middle of a run. I counteract this by using a double-tap technique where I shoot toenail one direct, slightly rock the angle, then shoot again. Double tapping helps the pins hold better purchase at opposing angles, too, compared to straight shots. When trim nailiing, I always carry nail sets and my preference is for the Spring Tools variety of spring hammer sets, though they break and need replacing regularly enough. 23 ga are too small for most nail set cupped heads, but the flat/solid usually tap to flush just fine.
On Wed, Jan 1, 2025 at 6:51?PM imranindiana via <imranindiana= [email protected]> wrote: Thanks Tom. I will see if it even comes close to sinking 1 3/8¡± pins.
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My bad, yes I meant to say that the Makita compressors (well, at least the MAC 700 and MAC 2400) have adjustable pressure switches. Back when I was using a Mac 700 as my "daily driver" on-site air compressor, I cranked-up the cut-in pressure to close to 115psi so it could keep up with a framing nailer. The adjustments could be a little fussy, as even though the pressure switch had separate adjustments for cut-in and cut-out pressure, adjusting one would seem to still adjust the other, and my memory is that setting the cut-in pressure at 115psi made the cut-out pressure closer to 140-150psi. I don't doubt that I reduced the life span of the pump but running it hard, but at ~$250 these little compressors are essentially disposable. Not sure I'd mess with a larger/more expensive compressor.?
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My current shop compressor is a Makita MAC 2400, and I've just left the pressure switch as it came from the factory, I believe it cuts in at 100psi, cuts out at 130psi. I run my lines at 100psi, and since I really don't have any high-draw air tools it's worked fine.?
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Circling back to the 23ga nailers, I've had a Cadex (which was stolen) and my current Hitachi. Both work great, with the acknowledgement that neither nailer sank 100% of the pins. Typically, if a pin is left proud I'll nip it with a flush cutting pliers (I also consider these disposable, since cutting nails will eventually mess up the jaws), then if necessary I'll tap the surface with a hammer to seat the nub truly flush with the surface.?
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I would suggest that if your pinner is sinking "most" of the nails, it would be in alignment with my experience running two different nailers, having driven thousands of 23ga pins.?
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Tom Gensmer
Heritage Home Renewals, LLC
Minneapolis, MN
-- Brett Wissel Saint Louis Restoration 1831 S Kingshighway Blvd (at Shaw Blvd) St Louis, MO 63110 314.772.2167 brett@...
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Re: Double Electric Wall Ovens & Induction Cooktops
Totally agree with their advice. Samsung has had numerous class action law suits over their refrigerators. ?I ended up bringing an action against them directly and got a hefty settlement, but what a huge hassle. ?Go to YouTube and search ¡°Samsung suit refrigerator¡±. ?? David Best - via mobile phone?
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On Jan 1, 2025, at 3:40?PM, David Davies via groups.io <myfinishingtouch@...> wrote:
? We were looking at Samsung refrigerators today and a couple came up to us and told us to stay away from them. Dave Davies Forgot to mention our Samsung Bespoke series fridge. French doors over freezer drawer configuration. The front is all glass, and you can customize colors. We have 3 different color panels on ours. It's got a great door within a door beverage center which is super handy. So easy to clean the glass I would never go back to stainless.?
Jason Holtz
J. Holtz Furniture
3307 Snelling Ave. South
Minneapolis, MN 55406
612.432.2765
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J. Holtz Furniture
3307 Snelling Ave. South
Minneapolis, MN 55406
-- Dave & Marie Davies
318-219-7868
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