Re: AD941 installing fence support bar
Well tech isn¡¯t quite right, the cast iron sits between #13 and #4, both spherical washers, #12 and #13 always go together on the same side. Other than that, the picture is what you want.
Brian Lamb
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On Jul 5, 2023, at 6:49 AM, Wade Dees <wjdsignature@...> wrote:
? Hello FOG,
A Felder Tech sent me this regarding the support bar hardware orientation install. ?A bit interesting to me. ?Didn¡¯t see this being a possible layout.
¡°Here's the schematic for your machine. ? Look at the box enclosing the parts for the AD941. ?You can see the spacer is included in your machine. ?The cast iron would go between part numbers 12 and 13. ?I don't see the large washers anywhere. ?Perhaps they are for a different machine that uses some of the same parts and they made a generic set up for a few machines to use almost the same hardware but they included all the parts for them all. ?I would follow the schematics for the AD941 machine to be sure you are correct.¡±
On Jul 1, 2023, at 5:39 AM, andy.pickler@... wrote:
?I just received my AD941, and this is what I did (not that it is correct). I used the spacers to ensure a consistent distance for both the left and right attachment points, and I figured that would better ensure that the jointer fence was perpendicular to the cutterhead. I did not use the big washers on the backside but rather the two washers ("ball socket 1" and "ball socket 2") that have one side each that is concave/convex and fit effectively "inside" each other. <IMG_3444.jpeg> <IMG_3443.jpeg>
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Re: AD941 installing fence support bar
? Hello FOG,
A Felder Tech sent me this regarding the support bar hardware orientation install. ?A bit interesting to me. ?Didn¡¯t see this being a possible layout.
¡°Here's the schematic for your machine. ? Look at the box enclosing the parts for the AD941. ?You can see the spacer is included in your machine. ?The cast iron would go between part numbers 12 and 13. ?I don't see the large washers anywhere. ?Perhaps they are for a different machine that uses some of the same parts and they made a generic set up for a few machines to use almost the same hardware but they included all the parts for them all. ?I would follow the schematics for the AD941 machine to be sure you are correct.¡±
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On Jul 1, 2023, at 5:39 AM, andy.pickler@... wrote:
?I just received my AD941, and this is what I did (not that it is correct). I used the spacers to ensure a consistent distance for both the left and right attachment points, and I figured that would better ensure that the jointer fence was perpendicular to the cutterhead. I did not use the big washers on the backside but rather the two washers ("ball socket 1" and "ball socket 2") that have one side each that is concave/convex and fit effectively "inside" each other. <IMG_3444.jpeg> <IMG_3443.jpeg>
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I used to have an Oakley stroke sander with a 10' bed. Over 15' long overall. They are fantastic machines and very versatile, but I couldn't justify the real estate for the amount of use it got. I was the only one in the shop trained on one. Had to remover the veneer from a piece of MDF core sheet stock consistently. Fun test.? Jason Holtz
J. Holtz Furniture
3307 Snelling Ave. South
Minneapolis, MN 55406
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Joe, the finish off of your Kundig is pretty impressive...
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On Jul 4, 2023, at 6:02 PM, Joe Calhoon via groups.io <joecalhoon@...> wrote:
Mac, I used a Samco lever stroke sander for 12 years before getting a WBS. A lot of feel and skill to run but the finish as good or better than my Kundig. Had a woman employee that mastered it better than any one else.
Would have kept it but takes real estate.
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Mac, I used a Samco lever stroke sander for 12 years before getting a WBS. A lot of feel and skill to run but the finish as good or better than my Kundig. Had a woman employee that mastered it better than any one else.
Would have kept it but takes real estate.
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Re: Riff sawn / slip match oak ply
I agree with Jason Saunders veneer is a good place to start Designing and building for 50 years
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On Jul 3, 2023, at 2:19 PM, Andy <andy.raynor08@...> wrote:
? I¡¯m in the northeast (probably should have mentioned that), I¡¯ve tried a few local places but have come up empty so far. I¡¯be got some feelers out and hope to hear back after people get back into work from the holiday.?
I¡¯ve got a call into Atlantic plywood as well.?
I might have to get some shipped in - I¡¯ll give Amy a call if I get stuck.? ?
On Mon, Jul 3, 2023 at 2:26 PM Jason Holtz < jholtzy@...> wrote: Where are you located Andy? I work extensively with Sauders Veneer Specialties in Wisconsin. They will make whatever you need. How many sheets are you talking about? Amy Smith is my contact there if you want to give her a call.
Jason Jason Holtz
J. Holtz Furniture
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I the early days say 1900 up after you learned to sweep floors proper than your next job was running stroke sander tough upper body work out and also required a bit of coordination. Designing and building for 50 years
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On Jul 4, 2023, at 5:28 PM, David Luckensmeyer <dhluckens@...> wrote:
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Well, my edge sander is equally lack lustre compared to your beauty! So we¡¯re just even. ?
That's a beauty Lucky! Our disc sander and spindle sander are very lackluster in comparison.
Jason
Jason Holtz
J. Holtz Furniture
3307 Snelling Ave. South
Minneapolis, MN 55406
612 432-2765
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PK, You got the message! It is always fun to spend someone else¡¯s money! ?
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What about stoke sanders in fine furniture shops there is always one.
If you are into sanding with the long belt ?they provide a nice finish fast and don¡¯t lift the grain?
In the hands of a skilled worker they are awesome .
Designing and building for 50 years
On Jul 4, 2023, at 12:45 PM, PK <pk@...> wrote:
?Joel,
I am excited to see your shop.
The one advantage of the Rehnen is that the dust collection is built into the castings.? I saw it at IWF and the dust seemed well controlled.
 
PK
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Well, my edge sander is equally lack lustre compared to your beauty! So we¡¯re just even. ?
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That's a beauty Lucky! Our disc sander and spindle sander are very lackluster in comparison.
Jason
Jason Holtz
J. Holtz Furniture
3307 Snelling Ave. South
Minneapolis, MN 55406
612 432-2765
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Minneapolis, MN 55406
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What about stoke sanders in fine furniture shops there is always one. If you are into sanding with the long belt ?they provide a nice finish fast and don¡¯t lift the grain? In the hands of a skilled worker they are awesome . Designing and building for 50 years
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On Jul 4, 2023, at 12:45 PM, PK <pk@...> wrote:
?Joel, I am excited to see your shop. The one advantage of the Rehnen is that the dust collection is built into the castings.? I saw it at IWF and the dust seemed well controlled. PK
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Joel, I am excited to see your shop. The one advantage of the Rehnen is that the dust collection is built into the castings.? I saw it at IWF and the dust seemed well controlled. PK
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On OSS, I have a friend with one of these massive edge sanders. ?Wow what a dust cloud maker but he likes being able to have long boards in contact with the sandpaper at once, especially to make a slight taper. ?I like the edge sander design that has the jointer like function where you can sand the edge of infinite long boards by pushing the board along the table and adjust the amount of removal. ?Machines of this design seem way easier to have good dust collection. ?I see that on the Kundig, Langzauner and others... example being one of the Baleigh sanders, but with the Baleigh I do not think there is a way to auto feed the wood. ?I know very little about the Baleigh. ?
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David,
That is a beast!? I like how you slipped in buying the Kundig plus the Wadkin.? Quite the salesman!
PK
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If you build furniture than one of these fancy edge sanders would be handy BUT if you have high quality machines and the ability to use them than they are wasted space.? I have some of these machines master 24¡±? Kalamazoo 6¡± and early PC 4¡± forget the name all old and rebuilt and modified with special igus XY tables ?pretty much metal working only. Designing and building for 50 years
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On Jul 4, 2023, at 9:00 AM, Jason Holtz <jholtzy@...> wrote:
? Next time I have to pull the #2800 machine away from the wall for lubrication I will take one. I unfortunately don't have a spot for this beast to utilize both sides at once and the dust collection dictated the cast iron doors that hide the works are facing the wall. Jason Holtz
J. Holtz Furniture
3307 Snelling Ave. South Minneapolis, MN 55406
612 432-2765 -- Jason J. Holtz Furniture 3307 Snelling Ave. South Minneapolis, MN 55406
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Next time I have to pull the #2800 machine away from the wall for lubrication I will take one. I unfortunately don't have a spot for this beast to utilize both sides at once and the dust collection dictated the cast iron doors that hide the works are facing the wall. Jason Holtz
J. Holtz Furniture
3307 Snelling Ave. South Minneapolis, MN 55406
612 432-2765 -- Jason J. Holtz Furniture 3307 Snelling Ave. South Minneapolis, MN 55406
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That's a beauty Lucky! Our disc sander and spindle sander are very lackluster in comparison.
Jason Jason Holtz
J. Holtz Furniture
3307 Snelling Ave. South Minneapolis, MN 55406
612 432-2765 -- Jason J. Holtz Furniture 3307 Snelling Ave. South Minneapolis, MN 55406
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Wadkin made some wonderful machines.? Here in the US, Kindt Collins Master Sanders were the top of the chain.? They didn't make a combo machine though.? Oliver made one similar to your Wadkin.? I find I use the disk about 1000-1 to the spindle but good to have.
Dave
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PK:
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I like your edge sander list! But just in case you are not acquainted with Wadkin spindle sanders, you should buy the Kundig and then complement it with a Wadkin spindle sander like the JY or JTA. My JTA
is from the 1940s and is the machine in my shop that gives me the biggest smile¡
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The solid, machined disc is 16mm thick, and weighs on the order of 70kg. It comes with three and a stand to hold the two ready for use. The machine sounds like the Starship Enterprise galivanting around
the universe and takes 18 minutes to come to a complete stop after turning off. On the spindle side, the mechanism, including oscillation underneath consists of enormous solid bronze gears, and there is an oil bath with original rope wick. Dust extraction
is cast into the table itself which is very cool. The bloody thing (don¡¯t mind the swearing as this baby is English!) was made to drip oil out the bottom. Both tables tilt to 45 degrees.
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Mine does not have original switchgear unfortunately, but this machine is simply glorious. I LOVE IT!
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I have three edge sanders on my wish list.
I have an HS950.? It is fine at the price point.? The oscillation is minimal.
- Houfek HB1000 with all the options,??
- Got a quote to the US in 240v 60hz.? Full featured and 1300 pounds! Smaller main table than the Rehnen.
- Rehnen SK-2.???
- Got a quote from Highland automation.? Similar price as the Houfek.? Missing some features from the Houfek.? Same weight as the Houfek.? No spindle sander.? Does not tilt.
- kundig Uniq.??
- Twice the price of the other two with no options.? Amazing reputation.? The spindle sander is underwhelming based on feedback from owners.
Hoping to see more at AWFS.
Any thoughts?
PK
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PK I like your list, however I have one to add,?
Volpato LBK200
I have seen a Volpato sander here in a joinery workshop, the sander must be at least from 1960. very solidly built.?
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PK:
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I like your edge sander list! But just in case you are not acquainted with Wadkin spindle sanders, you should buy the Kundig and then complement it with a Wadkin spindle sander like the JY or JTA. My JTA is
from the 1940s and is the machine in my shop that gives me the biggest smile¡
?
The solid, machined disc is 16mm thick, and weighs on the order of 70kg. It comes with three and a stand to hold the two ready for use. The machine sounds like the Starship Enterprise galivanting around the
universe and takes 18 minutes to come to a complete stop after turning off. On the spindle side, the mechanism, including oscillation underneath consists of enormous solid bronze gears, and there is an oil bath with original rope wick. Dust extraction is cast
into the table itself which is very cool. The bloody thing (don¡¯t mind the swearing as this baby is English!) was made to drip oil out the bottom. Both tables tilt to 45 degrees.
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Mine does not have original switchgear unfortunately, but this machine is simply glorious. I LOVE IT!
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I have three edge sanders on my wish list.
I have an HS950.? It is fine at the price point.? The oscillation is minimal.
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Houfek HB1000 with all the options,??
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Got a quote to the US in 240v 60hz.? Full featured and 1300 pounds! Smaller main table than the Rehnen.
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Rehnen SK-2.???
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Got a quote from Highland automation.? Similar price as the Houfek.? Missing some features from the Houfek.? Same weight as the Houfek.? No spindle sander.? Does not tilt.
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kundig Uniq.??
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Twice the price of the other two with no options.? Amazing reputation.? The spindle sander is underwhelming based on feedback from owners.
Hoping to see more at AWFS.
Any thoughts?
PK
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I have three edge sanders on my wish list. I have an HS950.? It is fine at the price point.? The oscillation is minimal.
- Houfek HB1000 with all the options,??
- Got a quote to the US in 240v 60hz.? Full featured and 1300 pounds! Smaller main table than the Rehnen.
- Rehnen SK-2.???
- Got a quote from Highland automation.? Similar price as the Houfek.? Missing some features from the Houfek.? Same weight as the Houfek.? No spindle sander.? Does not tilt.
- kundig Uniq.??
- Twice the price of the other two with no options.? Amazing reputation.? The spindle sander is underwhelming based on feedback from owners.
Hoping to see more at AWFS. Any thoughts? PK
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David Luckensmeyer
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