I also work in a basement shop and have the FB600 with 5.5hp single phase motor. Coming from a prior Jet bandsaw, the performance benefit of the FB600 was significantly better, I regularly resaw lumber with > 9" common. I have had no problems other that I wish I had a power feeder for better quality cuts. I am using a 1" carbide blade that is rarely removed. Installation was tedious getting to my walkout basement; but once inside, it was stood up from a horizontal position by pivoting it up with a couple of guys.
Sal
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Doug, ??
Give me a call ¡ i have a Centauro (MM 16) I can highly recommend.
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On Jul 7, 2022, at 8:07 AM, Doug Speck via groups.io <speckde@...> wrote:
?I am getting close to realizing a years-long dream of undertaking luthiery, having recently retired. I¡¯ve been collecting hardwood for years with the intent of resawing my own guitar backs and sides. It¡¯s looking like I will overtake a basement for my shop and I am a little concerned about installing a large bandsaw through a doorway, so while I want to purchase a saw with enough power to resaw ~9 inch-wide pieces of domestic and exotic hardwoods without straining, it would be kind of disappointing to invest that money then learn I can¡¯t get it installed in the shop ?. I¡¯ve been looking at the FB610 and FB710 and wondering if the 5.5 hp (or 7.5 hp option) of the 710 is warranted for this application, which would also entail the additional expense of providing 3-phase power. ?Can someone advise on this topic?
Thank you,
Doug
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Awesome, glad you are up and running. Happy Woodworking.
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On Jul 7, 2022, at 2:25 PM, Charles Tai <mvlilypad@...> wrote: ?Imran,?
Thank you again. I got the same advice from Felder USA tech support.? I removed the plug and the receptacle and reseated all the wires.? Everything looked snug and fine.? However, that must be the problem because the machine is working!!!? Thank you for the quick reply!? Happy to be back working.? The machine is AWESOME when it works.?
Much appreciated.?
Charles.?
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I am with Jason on the woodslicer, i have the CT and it cuts fine but a bear to tension and i detension CT every time because of the 16¡± wheel. So if i have a ton of resawing I might put on the CT but 3/4¡± woodslicer works pretty well and even the 1/2¡± works well for resawing plus lot cheaper, can buy 5-6¡.
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On Jul 7, 2022, at 3:14 PM, Jason Holtz <jholtzy@...> wrote:
? Hi Doug, You've received good feedback here. I build some guitars (hopefully more soon) and lots of furniture. We have a FB540 and it's plenty for your use. I'd also second a MM16 or MM20.
We have a resaw feeder, and i wouldn't be without one now that I'm used to it. I'll continue to plug the Woodslicer blades. A fraction of the cost of carbide, superb finish and thinner kerf.?
Happy guitar building! Jason Jason Holtz
J. Holtz Furniture
3307 Snelling Ave. South
Minneapolis, MN 55406
612.432.2765 -- Jason J. Holtz Furniture 3307 Snelling Ave. South Minneapolis, MN 55406
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Hi Doug, You've received good feedback here. I build some guitars (hopefully more soon) and lots of furniture. We have a FB540 and it's plenty for your use. I'd also second a MM16 or MM20.
We have a resaw feeder, and i wouldn't be without one now that I'm used to it. I'll continue to plug the Woodslicer blades. A fraction of the cost of carbide, superb finish and thinner kerf.?
Happy guitar building! Jason Jason Holtz
J. Holtz Furniture
3307 Snelling Ave. South
Minneapolis, MN 55406
612.432.2765 -- Jason J. Holtz Furniture 3307 Snelling Ave. South Minneapolis, MN 55406
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I have the MM20 and cut through anything without issue. Several luthiers come over for help and I have done plenty for guitars. I try to limit to 16 inches but only because I have a 16 inch jointer. I use a one inch Lennox blade that I¡¯ve had sharpened after cutting ipe. Damn stuff! It also ate my hose to dust collector. Did Purple Heart 16 inch piece for electric guitar that another luthier was using.
Philip Davidson
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Imran,?
Thank you again. I got the same advice from Felder USA tech support.? I removed the plug and the receptacle and reseated all the wires.? Everything looked snug and fine.? However, that must be the problem because the machine is working!!!? Thank you for the quick reply!? Happy to be back working.? The machine is AWESOME when it works.?
Much appreciated.?
Charles.?
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Charles,
I should have mentioned that if the machine is under warranty, don¡¯t do anything without Felder permission.
If machine is out of warranty and you are comfortable with the idea of troubleshooting, here is something to consider.
I recall someone else with a combo who was chasing an electrical problem. There is a connector between selector switch and each motor. He was able to swap these connections to determine if the problem is before this connection or after.
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On Jul 7, 2022, at 1:21 PM, Imran Malik <imranindiana@...> wrote: ? It could be many things but sounds like a missing phase to the motor. To narrow down the possible failure modes, I would study the schematic to determine where a single fault could affect saw and planer but not shaper.
On Jul 7, 2022, at 1:05 PM, Charles Tai <mvlilypad@...> wrote:
?Hello FOG,?
I have my CF741S for just over 1 year.? I am having recurrent electrical issues. 1st, there was an issue with the slider switch. Machine would only work when switch was bypassed.? Was fixed by Felder technician. 2nd, a relay just came loose!? Luckily a Felder technician was traveling in the city and it was a quick fix for the tech.? Today, machine working just fine for 90 minutes. Then an electrical hum when I press the button to start the saw. The blade just wiggles, everything stops after 2 seconds.? Similar findings when try to start the planer.? The shaper seems to turn on fine.? Any ideas???
Power is okay.? Same phase inverter powers my RL200 just fine.?
I am in Vancouver Canada.? Dealer is not always available to support.??Need my machine for an urgent project!? Any advice??
Thank you.
Charles.
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It could be many things but sounds like a missing phase to the motor. To narrow down the possible failure modes, I would study the schematic to determine where a single fault could affect saw and planer but not shaper.
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On Jul 7, 2022, at 1:05 PM, Charles Tai <mvlilypad@...> wrote: ?Hello FOG,?
I have my CF741S for just over 1 year.? I am having recurrent electrical issues. 1st, there was an issue with the slider switch. Machine would only work when switch was bypassed.? Was fixed by Felder technician. 2nd, a relay just came loose!? Luckily a Felder technician was traveling in the city and it was a quick fix for the tech.? Today, machine working just fine for 90 minutes. Then an electrical hum when I press the button to start the saw. The blade just wiggles, everything stops after 2 seconds.? Similar findings when try to start the planer.? The shaper seems to turn on fine.? Any ideas???
Power is okay.? Same phase inverter powers my RL200 just fine.?
I am in Vancouver Canada.? Dealer is not always available to support.??Need my machine for an urgent project!? Any advice??
Thank you.
Charles.
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Hello FOG,?
I have my CF741S for just over 1 year.? I am having recurrent electrical issues. 1st, there was an issue with the slider switch. Machine would only work when switch was bypassed.? Was fixed by Felder technician. 2nd, a relay just came loose!? Luckily a Felder technician was traveling in the city and it was a quick fix for the tech.? Today, machine working just fine for 90 minutes. Then an electrical hum when I press the button to start the saw. The blade just wiggles, everything stops after 2 seconds.? Similar findings when try to start the planer.? The shaper seems to turn on fine.? Any ideas???
Power is okay.? Same phase inverter powers my RL200 just fine.?
I am in Vancouver Canada.? Dealer is not always available to support.??Need my machine for an urgent project!? Any advice??
Thank you.
Charles.
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I purchased a used 2004-2005 Laguna LT20(ACM 500, i think) with a 4.8hp baldor motor. For what you want to do, a machine like this with a carbide blade(i have resaw kings) would meet your expectations, i believe. Ive resawn walnut crotches 18-19" tall several times on this machine, and it did fine. On stuff that is under 10-11", it flies through it. I know my feedrates?are most likely too aggressive, but i am an impatient person. If the majority of your needs will be 12" or under, then you could also consider the MM16. I prefer more throat capacity, and i think the larger diameter wheels are easier on blades, but that might be an easier machine to get into your shop.
Im also in a basement shop. Welcome to the joys of a comfortable heating/cooling environment and an absolute PITA in every other regard. I have 7' to the bottom of my joists with an open ceiling. My laguna fits in the space by 1/4" in some areas and in other areas it just clips the bottom of the joists. It is the reason i dont have a 24" machine, and a reason why i should probably have a 16-18" machine instead. I push the envelope, however, and i subscribe to 'bigger is better'. My basement connects to a one car garage at grade, which means i dont?have stairs for moving in and out tools. But, i do have to get everything through a standard mandoor. For my bandsaw, i rolled it in on its spine on homemade furniture dollies. I then had the fun assignment of tilting it up into place. I asked my dad over to help me with that process--he was maybe 60-62 at that point--and he kinda watched as i tilted it into position. 2-3 people of moderate fitness would be able to do this easily. Just make sure you brace the bottom of the machine so it cant?slide out from under you use it as a fulcrum.?
Patrick
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Dough,
How wide and tall is your doorway?? How many steps down the stairs to the basement???
The FB 710 is a very large bandsaw, weighs 900 lbs, and is 90 inches tall.? It requires (for me) a forklift (or an over head crane/hoist) to erect after delivery because it is delivered lying down, on its spine.? The table alone is about 200+ lbs.? When fully erected, it is somewhat top heavy, even with the table installed.? Unless there is an equipment elevator/lift, I cringe at the thought of you trying to bring this bandsaw down to your basement going through residential doorways and stairs.? I do not think it is a safe idea, for both personnel and material.??
Other members will have better advice for you regarding resaw capabilities.? In my own experience, with a 3 PH 7.5 HP motor and a quality carbide-tipped blade, I can resaw 10-inch cherry no problem, manual feed.? In fact, I use it mostly for ripping and resawing these days, leaving the 1-inch Woodmaster CT blade on it.??
People leaned toward Phase Perfect here and for good reasons.? I have a PT330.? It was about $3500 when I purchased it.? There are many advantage to the PP phase converters.? There are many discussions in the archive.??
You should look at SCM bandsaws before deciding on the FB 710.? I believe the fly wheels on the SCM machines are heavier.? My first choice was the SCM S 540P, but due to disappointing dealer experience and concern for after sale support, I bought the FB 710 instead.? Felder's post sale support has been very good for me personally.
SW
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Look for a used mm16 or mm20, a vintage mm16 2000ish can resaw 12¡± no problem, you could easily get it in your basement and it will tension a CT blade. I would go for the mm20 if you could find one.
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On Jul 7, 2022, at 11:07 AM, Doug Speck via groups.io <speckde@...> wrote:
?I am getting close to realizing a years-long dream of undertaking luthiery, having recently retired. I¡¯ve been collecting hardwood for years with the intent of resawing my own guitar backs and sides. It¡¯s looking like I will overtake a basement for my shop and I am a little concerned about installing a large bandsaw through a doorway, so while I want to purchase a saw with enough power to resaw ~9 inch-wide pieces of domestic and exotic hardwoods without straining, it would be kind of disappointing to invest that money then learn I can¡¯t get it installed in the shop ?. I¡¯ve been looking at the FB610 and FB710 and wondering if the 5.5 hp (or 7.5 hp option) of the 710 is warranted for this application, which would also entail the additional expense of providing 3-phase power. ?Can someone advise on this topic?
Thank you,
Doug
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Dough,
How wide and tall is your doorway?? How many steps down the stairs to the basement???
The FB 710 is a very large bandsaw, weighs 900 lbs, and is 90 inches tall.? It requires (for me) a forklift (or an over head crane/hoist) to erect after delivery because it is delivered lying down, on its spine.? The table alone is about 200+ lbs.? When fully erected, it is somewhat top heavy, even with the table installed.? Unless there is an equipment elevator/lift, I cringe at the thought of you trying to bring this bandsaw down to your basement going through residential doorways and stairs.? I do not think it is a safe idea, for both personnel and material.??
Other members will have better advice for you regarding resaw capabilities.? In my own experience, with a 3 PH 7.5 HP motor and a quality carbide-tipped blade, I can resaw 10-inch cherry no problem, manual feed.? In fact, I use it mostly for ripping and resawing these days, leaving the 1-inch Woodmaster CT blade on it.??
People leaned toward Phase Perfect here and for good reasons.? I have a PT330.? It was about $3500 when I purchased it.? There are many advantage to the PP phase converters.? There are many discussions in the archive.??
You should look at SCM bandsaws before deciding on the FB 710.? I believe the fly wheels on the SCM machines are heavier.? My first choice was the SCM S 540P, but due to disappointing dealer experience and concern for after sale support, I bought the FB 710 instead.? Felder's post sale support has been very good for me personally.
SW
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Doug
I have a 610 with what I think is the base motor (4hp).? I¡¯ve been re-sawing quite a bit of walnut (up to 14¡± wide so far) and its been a champ.? As (more?) important has been to have the right blade (and at its right stage of useful life). ?
You mentioned basement and doorways.? By my measure, my 610 is a big machine. ?82¡± tall (on mobile base) and probably close to 30¡± wide.? And of course heavy and unwieldy (its a bandsaw).? Not trivial to maneuver around smaller spaces.
I¡¯d add, in addition to the proper blade to evacuate sawdust, capable extraction is also a must imo.? Resawing generates a lot of dust.
Good luck with your decision.? I¡¯m a big fan of these machines.
Mike
I am getting close to realizing a years-long dream of undertaking luthiery, having recently retired. I¡¯ve been collecting hardwood for years with the intent of resawing my own guitar backs and sides. It¡¯s looking like I will overtake a basement for my shop and I am a little concerned about installing a large bandsaw through a doorway, so while I want to purchase a saw with enough power to resaw ~9 inch-wide pieces of domestic and exotic hardwoods without straining, it would be kind of disappointing to invest that money then learn I can¡¯t get it installed in the shop ?. I¡¯ve been looking at the FB610 and FB710 and wondering if the 5.5 hp (or 7.5 hp option) of the 710 is warranted for this application, which would also entail the additional expense of providing 3-phase power.? Can someone advise on this topic?
Thank you,
Doug
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I have an older Agazzani 20¡± bandsaw with a 3 hp single phase motor, on which I regularly re-saw hardwood up to 12¡±. ?I use a 1¡± -2 tpi carbide tipped blade, which does an amazing job. I very often use the bandsaw for the initial rough ripping of thick, solid stock, simply because it does such a quick, efficient job of it. ?A larger saw with a larger motor might get through it a little quicker, but in all the years I¡¯ve had the saw, I¡¯ve been very satisfied with this setup. I think 5.5 or 7.5 hp isn¡¯t absolutely necessary. ?The main thing is a good blade, a properly set up fence with no drift, and a steady feed rate. I¡¯ve used other, larger bandsaws, up to a Northfield 36¡±, with huge motors that cut at the same rate as my Agazzani. The one factor limiting speed of cut is the ability of the blade to evacuate the sawdust while cutting the stock. ?The larger gullets of the 1¡± blade pull a lot of dust out of the cut, but once they are full, all the power in the world won¡¯t make the cut go any faster. ? Yes, you can buy a larger blade with fewer teeth per inch, but I haven¡¯t found it necessary. ??
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Re: A3-31 dust collection is well below par
I know this is probably really late in the game, but I asked a very similar question in sawmillcreek:
Apparently, a 2HP dust collector is not going to make any difference because the impeller size is usually still a small 11" or so.? It is just not able to pull enough air.
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I am getting close to realizing a years-long dream of undertaking luthiery, having recently retired. I¡¯ve been collecting hardwood for years with the intent of resawing my own guitar backs and sides. It¡¯s looking like I will overtake a basement for my shop and I am a little concerned about installing a large bandsaw through a doorway, so while I want to purchase a saw with enough power to resaw ~9 inch-wide pieces of domestic and exotic hardwoods without straining, it would be kind of disappointing to invest that money then learn I can¡¯t get it installed in the shop ?. I¡¯ve been looking at the FB610 and FB710 and wondering if the 5.5 hp (or 7.5 hp option) of the 710 is warranted for this application, which would also entail the additional expense of providing 3-phase power. ?Can someone advise on this topic?
Thank you,
Doug
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Re: Is anyone going to IWF in August?
No room for a Kiln here, so a hello it will be.
PK
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Re: Is anyone going to IWF in August?
I will be there as an exhibitor. Hall A Booth 10218.? American Wood Dryers.? Stop in and buy a kiln or just say hi.
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Re: Rip fence DRO sensor bracket dimensions
IRC, the sensor on the 501 is picky about placement but you can obviously shim if necessary.?
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