Re: Short Crosscut Fence Usage on 10' Sliders
I was just making my adjustments on that short fence last night and they have an indexing flip stop on my slider bed, which works with an adjustable screw and locking nut on the fence. ?I have mine dialed in to 90 and have removed it a couple times now to get a feel for the whole system, it¡¯s staying true for me. ?Maybe they have made sone improvements here? ?
Wade
toggle quoted message
Show quoted text
On Jan 26, 2022, at 6:07 PM, Mark Kessler <mkessler10@...> wrote:
? I have one and got it from felder for free, I use it occasionally and would probably use it more if getting back to 90 was repeatable but it ain¡¯t so it sits¡
David B makes a fix for that¡ On Jan 26, 2022, at 8:59 PM, imranindiana <imranindiana@...> wrote:
? I use the short xcut fence often. I like that the rear of the cut is backed by the sacrificial block. I also use pneumatic clamps and solved the problem you mention by leaving an extra nut in the slider in front of the xcut securing nut.
Imran
On Jan 26, 2022, at 8:48 PM, Ed Mazuronis via groups.io <egmiii@...> wrote:
?I currently have a KF700s with a 3200mm slider. I ordered it with the 1100mm crosscut fence (along with the full fence and digital stops) since it was a lot more to add on later. I've found that I've never used it. Mainly because the T nut bolted into the slider slot prevents me from moving Macs clamps from end to end.
I'm considering a Profil 45 Z, and was going to skip the fence option and just use the one from my slider instead. I'm trying to keep the cost down and it's an easy way to save $450 or so. But before I do, I'm wondering if I'm missing out in some way by not using it on the slider. Does anyone here use it? If so, how, and why do you use it over the main fence and outrigger?
Thanks.
|
Re: Short Crosscut Fence Usage on 10' Sliders
I have one and got it from felder for free, I use it occasionally and would probably use it more if getting back to 90 was repeatable but it ain¡¯t so it sits¡
David B makes a fix for that¡
toggle quoted message
Show quoted text
On Jan 26, 2022, at 8:59 PM, imranindiana <imranindiana@...> wrote:
? I use the short xcut fence often. I like that the rear of the cut is backed by the sacrificial block. I also use pneumatic clamps and solved the problem you mention by leaving an extra nut in the slider in front of the xcut securing nut.
Imran
On Jan 26, 2022, at 8:48 PM, Ed Mazuronis via groups.io <egmiii@...> wrote:
?I currently have a KF700s with a 3200mm slider. I ordered it with the 1100mm crosscut fence (along with the full fence and digital stops) since it was a lot more to add on later. I've found that I've never used it. Mainly because the T nut bolted into the slider slot prevents me from moving Macs clamps from end to end.
I'm considering a Profil 45 Z, and was going to skip the fence option and just use the one from my slider instead. I'm trying to keep the cost down and it's an easy way to save $450 or so. But before I do, I'm wondering if I'm missing out in some way by not using it on the slider. Does anyone here use it? If so, how, and why do you use it over the main fence and outrigger?
Thanks.
|
Re: Short Crosscut Fence Usage on 10' Sliders
I use the short xcut fence often. I like that the rear of the cut is backed by the sacrificial block. I also use pneumatic clamps and solved the problem you mention by leaving an extra nut in the slider in front of the xcut securing nut.
Imran
toggle quoted message
Show quoted text
On Jan 26, 2022, at 8:48 PM, Ed Mazuronis via groups.io <egmiii@...> wrote: ?I currently have a KF700s with a 3200mm slider. I ordered it with the 1100mm crosscut fence (along with the full fence and digital stops) since it was a lot more to add on later. I've found that I've never used it. Mainly because the T nut bolted into the slider slot prevents me from moving Macs clamps from end to end.
I'm considering a Profil 45 Z, and was going to skip the fence option and just use the one from my slider instead. I'm trying to keep the cost down and it's an easy way to save $450 or so. But before I do, I'm wondering if I'm missing out in some way by not using it on the slider. Does anyone here use it? If so, how, and why do you use it over the main fence and outrigger?
Thanks.
|
Many of you know but some have not had the experience.
If you own a set of Mac's Airtight Clamps then you have experienced next level packing and shipping!
Damn Mac, you are an artist with shipping!? The clamps look amazing too...
Felder could learn a thing or two or three from you Mac (from a lot of things) but especially on how to ship something!
Hats off to you Mac!
The install this weekend will be a joy!
PK
PKwoodworking
|
Short Crosscut Fence Usage on 10' Sliders
I currently have a KF700s with a 3200mm slider. I ordered it with the 1100mm crosscut fence (along with the full fence and digital stops) since it was a lot more to add on later. I've found that I've never used it. Mainly because the T nut bolted into the slider slot prevents me from moving Macs clamps from end to end.
I'm considering a Profil 45 Z, and was going to skip the fence option and just use the one from my slider instead. I'm trying to keep the cost down and it's an easy way to save $450 or so. But before I do, I'm wondering if I'm missing out in some way by not using it on the slider. Does anyone here use it? If so, how, and why do you use it over the main fence and outrigger?
Thanks.
|
Tension depends on the saw but experiment and see what works.? 25000+ is the sweet spot on my saw but others have different opinions.? I'd start at 15K and go to 20K and then 25K if the saw can do it.? Watch that the spring doesn't bottom out and the blade
tracks consistently.? Too much tension can cause the frame to flex as the wheels turn and cause the blade to track weird.
?
The key with a meter is make sure it is loaded when the blade is slack so you get the same number each time you tension.? You will get a feel but the first few times can be deceiving.? Make sure the blade doesn't move forward and into the guard and dull the
teeth, and don't depend on the rear bearing to support the blade.? If that bearing spins it can heat the band.? Keep the band lubed to help cool it when taking a heavy cut and depending on the back bearing.? Most of the time the bearing isn't needed but that
is also dependent on tension and how fast you push the stock.? Dave
toggle quoted message
Show quoted text
I sent this to Lennox support:
|
Mfsta2lt
Jan 25, 2022, 21:03 EST?
|
This was the reply I received:
|
Rick?(LENOX?)?
Jan 26, 2022, 6:31 EST?
|
Thoughts, comments, best practice? My Bandsaw manual says tighten utill you can push the blade 1/4 to 3/8 with "firm" pressure....
--
Mark Foster
|
I sent this to Lennox support:
|
Mfsta2lt
Jan 25, 2022, 21:03 EST?
|
This was the reply I received:
|
Rick?(LENOX?)?
Jan 26, 2022, 6:31 EST?
|
Thoughts, comments, best practice? My Bandsaw manual says tighten utill you can push the blade 1/4 to 3/8 with "firm" pressure.... -- Mark Foster
|
Re: Problem with Delivery of new Felder K770S
-- If there is any
damage (or even evidence that there?might be damage, you
are to call Felder prior to signing anything
-- Felder's official line is: "If
you're not sure, it's better to refuse delivery so we can hold
the freight company responsible and NOT involve you in the
claims process. "
Well if they say so.?
Given that, I'd assume they want to fix it.? But? you know what
happens when someone assumes: ass-u-me
|
Re: Cross cut fence zero clearance insert
#k700s
Okay, great thanks Mark! ?I was measuring my slider height above the cast table height. ?I was impressed with how consistent it was as it slid along. ?Pretty much stayed around .012¡±.?
Wade
toggle quoted message
Show quoted text
On Jan 26, 2022, at 7:18 AM, Mark Kessler <mkessler10@...> wrote:
? Probably not, as your slider will be slightly above the cast, mine doesn¡¯t but it¡¯s also a hair shorter of the height of the extrusion.? On Jan 26, 2022, at 8:53 AM, wjdsignature@... wrote:
? Oh sorry for the confusion Mark, I was meaning the zero clearance insert at the end of the cross cut fence. ?As you pass over the scoring blade. ?It would just create a very tiny rabbit cut into the bottom corner. ?
Thx,
Wade
|
Re: Cross cut fence zero clearance insert
#k700s
Probably not, as your slider will be slightly above the cast, mine doesn¡¯t but it¡¯s also a hair shorter of the height of the extrusion.?
toggle quoted message
Show quoted text
On Jan 26, 2022, at 8:53 AM, wjdsignature@... wrote:
? Oh sorry for the confusion Mark, I was meaning the zero clearance insert at the end of the cross cut fence. ?As you pass over the scoring blade. ?It would just create a very tiny rabbit cut into the bottom corner. ?
Thx,
Wade
|
Re: Problem with Delivery of new Felder K770S
Someone actually accepted this delivery?
Imran
toggle quoted message
Show quoted text
On Jan 25, 2022, at 11:52 PM, david@... via groups.io <david@...> wrote: ? This popped up on FB today from a guy who just took delivery of a knee mill shipped LTL. ?Clearly it was not packaged correctly, but the local freight terminal did manage to stick another pallet under the toppled machine before delivery.
David Best
Best Services
415-652-1366
Jeeze Louise! All of this is making me nervous. I am expecting delivery of my K700 in April. This happened to me when I ordered my jointer from Grizzly. It was a logistical nightmare working with them and something I wouldn't expect from Felder. With the price of our Felder toys, we should expect proper freighting. I think it would be in their best interest to do this right. Anyway, I wish you well and hope that the problem is resolved soon.
Ed Cohen? E. Cohen Designs Easthampton,? MA? Imran, thanks for the NIH reference, I wasn't sure what that was. As for OSB tress maybe they don't really have them or NIH applies in the case. Glen
Alpine Moulding and Millwork Inc.
Mail: ?? P.O. Box 486
?????????? Murphys , CA. 95247 Shop: 441 Pennsylvania Gulch Road ????????? Murphys, CA. 95247
????????? 209-540-7501
LIC # 707507
On Tue, Jan 4, 2022 at 10:01 PM imranindiana via <imranindiana= [email protected]> wrote: OSB trees, that is a good one, Glen.
For the uninitiated, NIH per urban dictionary means: Not Invented Here? The German art of??any technology, agricultural product, or (medical) scientific work that has not been ivented or produced in Germany,?, or?. Imran ? David,
Did you refuse that machine? I can't come up with any reason why Felder wound not spend an extra 200 bucks (Well maybe 400 now) not to wrap them in OSB? The onl logical thing might be the added weight in shipping, but I dont think that is it. Maybe they don't have OSB trees in Austria. Glen
Alpine Moulding and Millwork Inc.
Mail: ?? P.O. Box 486
?????????? Murphys , CA. 95247 Shop: 441 Pennsylvania Gulch Road ????????? Murphys, CA. 95247
????????? 209-540-7501
LIC # 707507
That¡¯s painful, but not uncommon.? I would have declined the shipment.? Felder seems to have some aversion to crating their machines and accessories properly for LTL shipment.? For some strange reason they are in love with 2x4 scaffolding and sheet plastic instead of a proper OSB or plywood crate. ?
Here¡¯s how I found my Kappa 400 at the freight terminal.? In my case, nothing inside was damaged. ?
<35521384466_29aabb891b_c.jpeg>
In contrast, this is how my milling machine was crated:
<28075493167_47cf2d4202_c(1).jpeg>
So, after 9 months of waiting, my new K700S is delivered to the local shipping terminal.? I went to pick it up today, and found the box with the sliding table had half of the crating missing and looked like it had been dragged around a parking lot somewhere.? I am so disappointed and frustrated.? Has anyone had a similar experience, and if so, how do I go about getting a new sliding table for the saw?? This is my first time receiving a large shipment, and I have no experience dealing with such an issue.? I did mark the carrier form with the damage and was provided an exception number (whatever that is).
<IMG_9587.jpg><IMG_9592.jpg><IMG_9591.jpg>
|
Re: Cross cut fence zero clearance insert
#k700s
Oh sorry for the confusion Mark, I was meaning the zero clearance insert at the end of the cross cut fence. ?As you pass over the scoring blade. ?It would just create a very tiny rabbit cut into the bottom corner. ?
Thx,
Wade
|
Re: Problem with Delivery of new Felder K770S
This popped up on FB today from a guy who just took delivery of a knee mill shipped LTL. ?Clearly it was not packaged correctly, but the local freight terminal did manage to stick another pallet under the toppled machine before delivery.
David Best
Best Services
415-652-1366
toggle quoted message
Show quoted text
Jeeze Louise! All of this is making me nervous. I am expecting delivery of my K700 in April. This happened to me when I ordered my jointer from Grizzly. It was a logistical nightmare working with them and something I wouldn't expect from Felder. With the price of our Felder toys, we should expect proper freighting. I think it would be in their best interest to do this right. Anyway, I wish you well and hope that the problem is resolved soon.
Ed Cohen? E. Cohen Designs Easthampton,? MA? Imran, thanks for the NIH reference, I wasn't sure what that was. As for OSB tress maybe they don't really have them or NIH applies in the case. Glen
Alpine Moulding and Millwork Inc.
Mail: ?? P.O. Box 486
?????????? Murphys , CA. 95247 Shop: 441 Pennsylvania Gulch Road ????????? Murphys, CA. 95247
????????? 209-540-7501
LIC # 707507
On Tue, Jan 4, 2022 at 10:01 PM imranindiana via <imranindiana= [email protected]> wrote: OSB trees, that is a good one, Glen.
For the uninitiated, NIH per urban dictionary means: Not Invented Here? The German art of??any technology, agricultural product, or (medical) scientific work that has not been ivented or produced in Germany,?, or?. Imran ? David,
Did you refuse that machine? I can't come up with any reason why Felder wound not spend an extra 200 bucks (Well maybe 400 now) not to wrap them in OSB? The onl logical thing might be the added weight in shipping, but I dont think that is it. Maybe they don't have OSB trees in Austria. Glen
Alpine Moulding and Millwork Inc.
Mail: ?? P.O. Box 486
?????????? Murphys , CA. 95247 Shop: 441 Pennsylvania Gulch Road ????????? Murphys, CA. 95247
????????? 209-540-7501
LIC # 707507
That¡¯s painful, but not uncommon.? I would have declined the shipment.? Felder seems to have some aversion to crating their machines and accessories properly for LTL shipment.? For some strange reason they are in love with 2x4 scaffolding and sheet plastic instead of a proper OSB or plywood crate. ?
Here¡¯s how I found my Kappa 400 at the freight terminal.? In my case, nothing inside was damaged. ?
<35521384466_29aabb891b_c.jpeg>
In contrast, this is how my milling machine was crated:
<28075493167_47cf2d4202_c(1).jpeg>
So, after 9 months of waiting, my new K700S is delivered to the local shipping terminal.? I went to pick it up today, and found the box with the sliding table had half of the crating missing and looked like it had been dragged around a parking lot somewhere.? I am so disappointed and frustrated.? Has anyone had a similar experience, and if so, how do I go about getting a new sliding table for the saw?? This is my first time receiving a large shipment, and I have no experience dealing with such an issue.? I did mark the carrier form with the damage and was provided an exception number (whatever that is).
<IMG_9587.jpg><IMG_9592.jpg><IMG_9591.jpg>
|
Re: Cross cut fence zero clearance insert
#k700s
Yes,? I use scoring, it works with the ZCI you just raise it up while its on at 90deg to cut through. If you change the angle of the blade you will want to lower it first tilt to angle then bring up. I think I just did it at 90deg and 45deg I was good but can¡¯t remember. You don¡¯t want to tilt with the blade up and it only cut at 90deg or it will potentially bind. ? Yes slightly above, maybe 1/32¡± ish, i try to get the width dead on the blade or ?slightly over but never under main blade size. I think I have the felder scoring blade 120mm and it is fine. ? 
toggle quoted message
Show quoted text
On Jan 25, 2022, at 9:27 PM, wjdsignature@... wrote:
? Mark,
Do you use a scoring blade? ?Was wondering how this might affect a zero clearance insert on my slider. ?I guess it would just have a very small rabbit cut on the underside once I¡¯ve made a cut with the scoring blade. ?Aren¡¯t scoring blades typically set very shallow above the table and just slightly oversized on the width of the main blade? ?
If you do use a scoring blade, would you have a recommendation on which one to get? ?Is the Felder scoring blade any good? ?
Thx,
Wade
|
Re: Cross cut fence zero clearance insert
#k700s
Mark,
Do you use a scoring blade? ?Was wondering how this might affect a zero clearance insert on my slider. ?I guess it would just have a very small rabbit cut on the underside once I¡¯ve made a cut with the scoring blade. ?Aren¡¯t scoring blades typically set very shallow above the table and just slightly oversized on the width of the main blade? ?
If you do use a scoring blade, would you have a recommendation on which one to get? ?Is the Felder scoring blade any good? ?
Thx,
Wade
|
Re: Cross cut fence zero clearance insert
#k700s
Mike,
I make Zero-Clearance throat plate kits that fit the K940, Kappa 40, and Kappa 400. ? Email me if interested (david @ bestservices . biz). ? Details are here including a dimensioned drawing if you want to attempt making your own - it isn¡¯t simple: ??
David Best
https://www.instagram.com/davidpbest/
toggle quoted message
Show quoted text
On Jan 25, 2022, at 8:04 AM, Mike < mike@...> wrote:
Bill,
Your parts on the Etsy page look good, so I wonder if you're interested in making other parts I'd be interested in seeing for my KF700S.
1) Zero-clearance insert for the saw blade.?
2) 4" adapter with 90 degree angle to the right for the overhead guard.
3) Insert for sliding table to hold jigs using 1/4", 5/16", and 3/8" bolts?
4) Elbow from 80mm to 4" for the shaper output (not enough room for an adapter plus a 4" elbow)
The blade insert isn't as easy as making them for Delta table saws and I spent an hour making an overhead adapter, similar to what Imran did, but it leaks. If the sliding table insert is more accurate and durable than a piece of oak with a threaded insert, it could be interesting.
Kind regards, Mike
|
Re: Cross cut fence zero clearance insert
#k700s
Thanks for the suggestions Mike.
Here's a pic of the 80mm to 4" adapter on my F700Z. Not sure why I'd need an elbow.
I don't see the need for a zero clearance insert on my saw because I always use the scoring.
If I did design one, I wouldn't sell it for fear of liability.
If you want a 90 degree off the overhead guard, those are readily available for about 10 bucks on Amazon.
Mac makes sliding inserts for jigs like the pic I have attached. I would think threads in plastic wouldn't hold up very well.
Bill
On Tue, Jan 25, 2022 at 9:05 AM Mike < mike@...> wrote: Bill,
Your parts on the Etsy page look good, so I wonder if you're interested in making other parts I'd be interested in seeing for my KF700S.
1) Zero-clearance insert for the saw blade.?
2) 4" adapter with 90 degree angle to the right for the overhead guard.
3) Insert for sliding table to hold jigs using 1/4", 5/16", and 3/8" bolts?
4) Elbow from 80mm to 4" for the shaper output (not enough room for an adapter plus a 4" elbow)
The blade insert isn't as easy as making them for Delta table saws and I spent an hour making an overhead adapter, similar to what Imran did, but it leaks. If the sliding table insert is more accurate and durable than a piece of oak with a threaded insert, it could be interesting.
Kind regards, Mike
|
Re: Cross cut fence zero clearance insert
#k700s
Mike,
The rectangular shape of mine is not perfect either but is very close. For example, there was daylight in a corner. I cut a strip of thin packaging fabric. Made a?loop, with painters tape joining the ends. Placed?it around the rectangular saw opening and fitted the adapter. Never touched it since.
Imran
toggle quoted message
Show quoted text
On Jan 25, 2022, at 11:05 AM, Mike <mike@...> wrote: ?Bill,
Your parts on the Etsy page look good, so I wonder if you're interested in making other parts I'd be interested in seeing for my KF700S.
1) Zero-clearance insert for the saw blade.?
2) 4" adapter with 90 degree angle to the right for the overhead guard.
3) Insert for sliding table to hold jigs using 1/4", 5/16", and 3/8" bolts?
4) Elbow from 80mm to 4" for the shaper output (not enough room for an adapter plus a 4" elbow)
The blade insert isn't as easy as making them for Delta table saws and I spent an hour making an overhead adapter, similar to what Imran did, but it leaks. If the sliding table insert is more accurate and durable than a piece of oak with a threaded insert, it could be interesting.
Kind regards, Mike
|
Re: Cross cut fence zero clearance insert
#k700s
Bill,
Your parts on the Etsy page look good, so I wonder if you're interested in making other parts I'd be interested in seeing for my KF700S.
1) Zero-clearance insert for the saw blade.?
2) 4" adapter with 90 degree angle to the right for the overhead guard.
3) Insert for sliding table to hold jigs using 1/4", 5/16", and 3/8" bolts?
4) Elbow from 80mm to 4" for the shaper output (not enough room for an adapter plus a 4" elbow)
The blade insert isn't as easy as making them for Delta table saws and I spent an hour making an overhead adapter, similar to what Imran did, but it leaks. If the sliding table insert is more accurate and durable than a piece of oak with a threaded insert, it could be interesting.
Kind regards, Mike
|
File /How tos, modifications, and other notes/Felder 2002 Router Spindle Rebuild.pdf updated
#file-notice
The following files have been updated in
the Files area of the [email protected] group.
By: imranindiana <imranindiana@...>
Description:
Added caution to verify router version before using this information. Increased font size for easier reading.
|
imran
PK
Mark Foster
David P. Best
Bill Belanger
Mike
I run Lennox bandsaw blades almost exclusively. Today I installed a new Woodmater CT 1" blade and I have a Lennox Tension meter on it's way. Where can I find information on correct tension specs for Lennox Blades.
Thanks
Mark Foster