Re: Adjustable pull out trays
Imran, The dovetail idea is intriguing for face frame cabinets, but I am doing euro boxes. The other thing is I am not willing to put in that much time as im throwing this in I see some other comments but havent had time to look at them yet.
Alpine Moulding and Millwork Inc.
Mail: ?? P.O. Box 486
?????????? Murphys , CA. 95247 Shop: 441 Pennsylvania Gulch Road ????????? Murphys, CA. 95247
????????? 209-540-7501
LIC # 707507
On Wed, Jan 5, 2022 at 8:42 PM imranindiana via <imranindiana= [email protected]> wrote: ?Glen, ?First thought that comes to mind is having a stack of dovetail ways on the inside on each side of the lower cabinet. The width of the dovetail way should be wide enough to receive a dovetailed part that one can mount the drawer slide to. A pin/screw of sort will be required to prevent the dovetail slide to pull out.
Not as adjustable as pins but I can¡¯t imagine that working without incorporating lateral support that would keep the runners pushed into the cabinet sides. This support will also push on the sides of the cabinet outward. I guess the drawer could itself be tight fitting to accomplish this but I am not sure if slides are designed to do so. Also, it would not be easy to relocate them because the runners would need to be held onto the sides while the drawer is inserted. Maybe I am not following this concept properly.
Imran? ?Well While I am at it and until I fix my spindle..
One of the jobs I am doing now, The customer wants pull out trays in the lowers.
You remember those things we did in the 80/90 days instead of drawers.
so because I like to go on and above I would like to make them adjustable.
I am looking for ideas on doing that. I thought about a runner for the slide that pins in to the shelf support holes that I did not drill in this case, but not sure if they would stay in place when the tray is pulled out.
Any ideas, TIA
Glen
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Re: The price of an information at Felder?
Fully agree SCM is repair friendly, I had a very minor issue yesterday with my 1 yo SCM spindle moulder, I am not a mechanic and I believed it required technician (pneumatic pin wont lock spindle) but I gone through the manual and I had a hunch that could do it myself, which I did and it was done in 15 minutes because it was easily accessible and repair friendly.?
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Re: I need a little shaper help
I use Castrol 140 bandsaw blade lube, comes in a tube:
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On Jan 7, 2022, at 10:06 AM, Rick Scholl < rlscholl@...> wrote:
The assembly grease you can get at auto supply stores (specifically for crankshaft journals during engine assembly) is good for this application. It is relatively thin, and comes in toothpaste-like tubes.
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Thanks Rick.
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On Jan 7, 2022, at 12:06 PM, Rick Scholl <rlscholl@...> wrote:
?The assembly grease you can get at auto supply stores (specifically for crankshaft journals during engine assembly) is good for this application. It is relatively thin, and comes in toothpaste-like tubes.
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Re: I need a little shaper help
The assembly grease you can get at auto supply stores (specifically for crankshaft journals during engine assembly) is good for this application. It is relatively thin, and comes in toothpaste-like tubes.
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Re: The price of an information at Felder?
I think there are only a handful of choices when buying MM or SCM.? They used to have a great guy at parts pronto that was very helpful troubleshooting but I believe that is no longer a good option.? The SCM machines are known to be repair friendly in the way
they are laid out.? My experience is with used as there are more choices at lower cost than Felder and given my not always brilliant method of buying very rare machines, I rely on the internet groups like this one and others more than manufacturers.? Dave
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John,
That is a bummer. In USA, there is no charge for trouble shooting a machine. I guess there might be a limit but I have spent 1/2hr on the phone with a tech. I only bought my KF new and I have received help on 4 other machines that I bought used.
I personally think this is a very valuable part of buying from Felder - parts and service after sale.
On a related note, I was conversing with an SCM owner on another forum. Their setup is thru dealers. The service you receive is via dealership. I have no idea, how good/bad their service is but I do not want to be at the mercy of a dealership.
I am afraid that they might offer good service to a major client and not so good to a lonely hobby woodworker, especially one who bought a used machine.
Imran
On Jan 7, 2022, at 10:56 AM, John <j.pisvin@...> wrote:
?Hi all,
I recently posted on this Group regarding a technical concern I am facing with my Felder CF731.
I tried to contact Felder just to ask them the type of relay I have on my electrical board.
But in my country, Felder unfortunately do not have an official branch and they outsource the sales/aftersales services to another company.
This company ask me 150€/hour of time that the person will take to answer my question from his computer (I am not speaking about any repairment or a person coming to work on my machine).
Is it normal? Do you also pay when you ask a technical question to your Felder tech support about an old machine?
Jonathan
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Re: The price of an information at Felder?
John,
That is a bummer. In USA, there is no charge for trouble shooting a machine. I guess there might be a limit but I have spent 1/2hr on the phone with a tech. I only bought my KF new and I have received help on 4 other machines that I bought used. I personally think this is a very valuable part of buying from Felder - parts and service after sale.
On a related note, I was conversing with an SCM owner on another forum. Their setup is thru dealers. The service you receive is via dealership. I have no idea, how good/bad their service is but I do not want to be at the mercy of a dealership. I am afraid that they might offer good service to a major client and not so good to a lonely hobby woodworker, especially one who bought a used machine.
Imran
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On Jan 7, 2022, at 10:56 AM, John <j.pisvin@...> wrote: ?Hi all,
I recently posted on this Group regarding a technical concern I am facing with my Felder CF731.
I tried to contact Felder just to ask them the type of relay I have on my electrical board.
But in my country, Felder unfortunately do not have an official branch and they outsource the sales/aftersales services to another company.
This company ask me 150€/hour of time that the person will take to answer my question from his computer (I am not speaking about any repairment or a person coming to work on my machine).
Is it normal? Do you also pay when you ask a technical question to your Felder tech support about an old machine?
Jonathan
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Re: I need a little shaper help
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On Jan 7, 2022, at 11:04 AM, Brian Lamb <blamb11@...> wrote: ? Yes, anything to provide a little lubrication will keep the metal from galling. I prefer some form of grease though as it tends to sling less on the inside of the machine.
Is it okay to use light oil instead of grease? Some of my cutters are so close that I have a hard time putting them on the arbor. I have used pneumatic tool oil (because it is handy) just enough to help me install. I spread with finger so no dripping. Anyhow, is this okay?
Imran On Jan 7, 2022, at 10:31 AM, Brian Lamb < blamb11@...> wrote: ? Use a dab of grease on the shaft and cutter bores when you assemble them, it will keep the metal from galling as it slides onto the spindle.
Thank you Mac and David. This morning I went and bought a super small file and emory cloth and bingo. It worked great. I don't actually thing I really spun the cutter but there was the slightest little burr on the shaft, so the cutter may have moved a bit or there was something else going on i will make sure that I check when putting that last spacer on.. Thanks guys, New spindel was 1300 bucks and they did not have them. Glen
Alpine Moulding and Millwork Inc.
Mail: ?? P.O. Box 486
?????????? Murphys , CA. 95247 Shop: 441 Pennsylvania Gulch Road ????????? Murphys, CA. 95247
????????? 209-540-7501
LIC # 707507
On Wed, Jan 5, 2022 at 5:59 PM mac campshure via <mac512002= [email protected]> wrote: Glen Bet you won¡¯t do that again!! I would file off the burr with a fine fie, just the burr you will be fine maybe a little emery cloth only on the spot. Mac,, Designing and building for 50 years ?Hi All,
Well I have apparently spun a cutter head on the shaft. Not sure how this happened as the stack was very tight and I know have the last spacer above the top of the shaft.
my guess is it wasn't high enough.
I got the cutter off but I cant get the lower spacers off.
So what route should I take.I can see the slightest burr on the shaft. That is why I assumed I spun the cutter.
Go figure I was having my most productive day in a long time.
Thanks In advance.
Glen
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Re: The price of an information at Felder?
Not in the USA, you can call or email and get tech advice. I would assume you can contact the factory is Tirol as well...
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Hi all,
I recently posted on this Group regarding a technical concern I am facing with my Felder CF731.
I tried to contact Felder just to ask them the type of relay I have on my electrical board.
But in my country, Felder unfortunately do not have an official branch and they outsource the sales/aftersales services to another company.
This company ask me 150€/hour of time that the person will take to answer my question from his computer (I am not speaking about any repairment or a person coming to work on my machine).
Is it normal? Do you also pay when you ask a technical question to your Felder tech support about an old machine?
Jonathan
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Re: I need a little shaper help
Yes, anything to provide a little lubrication will keep the metal from galling. I prefer some form of grease though as it tends to sling less on the inside of the machine.
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Is it okay to use light oil instead of grease? Some of my cutters are so close that I have a hard time putting them on the arbor. I have used pneumatic tool oil (because it is handy) just enough to help me install. I spread with finger so no dripping. Anyhow, is this okay?
Imran On Jan 7, 2022, at 10:31 AM, Brian Lamb < blamb11@...> wrote: ? Use a dab of grease on the shaft and cutter bores when you assemble them, it will keep the metal from galling as it slides onto the spindle.
Thank you Mac and David. This morning I went and bought a super small file and emory cloth and bingo. It worked great. I don't actually thing I really spun the cutter but there was the slightest little burr on the shaft, so the cutter may have moved a bit or there was something else going on i will make sure that I check when putting that last spacer on.. Thanks guys, New spindel was 1300 bucks and they did not have them. Glen
Alpine Moulding and Millwork Inc.
Mail: ?? P.O. Box 486
?????????? Murphys , CA. 95247 Shop: 441 Pennsylvania Gulch Road ????????? Murphys, CA. 95247
????????? 209-540-7501
LIC # 707507
On Wed, Jan 5, 2022 at 5:59 PM mac campshure via <mac512002= [email protected]> wrote: Glen Bet you won¡¯t do that again!! I would file off the burr with a fine fie, just the burr you will be fine maybe a little emery cloth only on the spot. Mac,, Designing and building for 50 years ?Hi All,
Well I have apparently spun a cutter head on the shaft. Not sure how this happened as the stack was very tight and I know have the last spacer above the top of the shaft.
my guess is it wasn't high enough.
I got the cutter off but I cant get the lower spacers off.
So what route should I take.I can see the slightest burr on the shaft. That is why I assumed I spun the cutter.
Go figure I was having my most productive day in a long time.
Thanks In advance.
Glen
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The price of an information at Felder?
Hi all,
I recently posted on this Group regarding a technical concern I am facing with my Felder CF731.
I tried to contact Felder just to ask them the type of relay I have on my electrical board.
But in my country, Felder unfortunately do not have an official branch and they outsource the sales/aftersales services to another company.
This company ask me 150€/hour of time that the person will take to answer my question from his computer (I am not speaking about any repairment or a person coming to work on my machine).
Is it normal? Do you also pay when you ask a technical question to your Felder tech support about an old machine?
Jonathan
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Re: I need a little shaper help
Is it okay to use light oil instead of grease? Some of my cutters are so close that I have a hard time putting them on the arbor. I have used pneumatic tool oil (because it is handy) just enough to help me install. I spread with finger so no dripping. Anyhow, is this okay?
Imran
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On Jan 7, 2022, at 10:31 AM, Brian Lamb <blamb11@...> wrote: ? Use a dab of grease on the shaft and cutter bores when you assemble them, it will keep the metal from galling as it slides onto the spindle.
Thank you Mac and David. This morning I went and bought a super small file and emory cloth and bingo. It worked great. I don't actually thing I really spun the cutter but there was the slightest little burr on the shaft, so the cutter may have moved a bit or there was something else going on i will make sure that I check when putting that last spacer on.. Thanks guys, New spindel was 1300 bucks and they did not have them. Glen
Alpine Moulding and Millwork Inc.
Mail: ?? P.O. Box 486
?????????? Murphys , CA. 95247 Shop: 441 Pennsylvania Gulch Road ????????? Murphys, CA. 95247
????????? 209-540-7501
LIC # 707507
On Wed, Jan 5, 2022 at 5:59 PM mac campshure via <mac512002= [email protected]> wrote: Glen Bet you won¡¯t do that again!! I would file off the burr with a fine fie, just the burr you will be fine maybe a little emery cloth only on the spot. Mac,, Designing and building for 50 years ?Hi All,
Well I have apparently spun a cutter head on the shaft. Not sure how this happened as the stack was very tight and I know have the last spacer above the top of the shaft.
my guess is it wasn't high enough.
I got the cutter off but I cant get the lower spacers off.
So what route should I take.I can see the slightest burr on the shaft. That is why I assumed I spun the cutter.
Go figure I was having my most productive day in a long time.
Thanks In advance.
Glen
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Humphrey Holden company,? Interesting ?thanks mac,,, Designing and building for 50 years
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On Jan 7, 2022, at 9:09 AM, imranindiana <imranindiana@...> wrote:
? Just catching up on this old house. Last week¡¯s episode showed this PVC with rice hull product which they are using for trim. Especially interesting is that one can take a wedge out (similar to Rockler miter fold) from the middle of a long trim board and fold it 90 degrees (some heat required) to make a seamless corner trim board.
Has anyone used this product? Comes in sheets as well as boards. Paintable and stainable (apparently to look like wood).
Last time I got excited about a new siding product rated for ground contact made out of waste ash was short lived. At?$80 a board (5 yrs ago), it is definitely out of my price range.?
Imran PS, they never mentioned the product name on the show. A search brought up ACRE which match the description. Not sure if there are other manufacturers supplying the same product.
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Use a dab of grease on the shaft and cutter bores when you assemble them, it will keep the metal from galling as it slides onto the spindle.
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Thank you Mac and David. This morning I went and bought a super small file and emory cloth and bingo. It worked great. I don't actually thing I really spun the cutter but there was the slightest little burr on the shaft, so the cutter may have moved a bit or there was something else going on i will make sure that I check when putting that last spacer on.. Thanks guys, New spindel was 1300 bucks and they did not have them. Glen
Alpine Moulding and Millwork Inc.
Mail: ?? P.O. Box 486
?????????? Murphys , CA. 95247 Shop: 441 Pennsylvania Gulch Road ????????? Murphys, CA. 95247
????????? 209-540-7501
LIC # 707507
On Wed, Jan 5, 2022 at 5:59 PM mac campshure via <mac512002= [email protected]> wrote: Glen Bet you won¡¯t do that again!! I would file off the burr with a fine fie, just the burr you will be fine maybe a little emery cloth only on the spot. Mac,, Designing and building for 50 years ?Hi All,
Well I have apparently spun a cutter head on the shaft. Not sure how this happened as the stack was very tight and I know have the last spacer above the top of the shaft.
my guess is it wasn't high enough.
I got the cutter off but I cant get the lower spacers off.
So what route should I take.I can see the slightest burr on the shaft. That is why I assumed I spun the cutter.
Go figure I was having my most productive day in a long time.
Thanks In advance.
Glen
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Just catching up on this old house. Last week¡¯s episode showed this PVC with rice hull product which they are using for trim. Especially interesting is that one can take a wedge out (similar to Rockler miter fold) from the middle of a long trim board and fold it 90 degrees (some heat required) to make a seamless corner trim board.
Has anyone used this product? Comes in sheets as well as boards. Paintable and stainable (apparently to look like wood).
Last time I got excited about a new siding product rated for ground contact made out of waste ash was short lived. At?$80 a board (5 yrs ago), it is definitely out of my price range.?
Imran PS, they never mentioned the product name on the show. A search brought up ACRE which match the description. Not sure if there are other manufacturers supplying the same product.
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Re: K700s commissioning and DB
Steve your experience parallel's mine. I ordered my Kappa 400 at the end of 12/20 and received it last August. While waiting for the saw I totally reimagined my shop, upgraded electrical, lighting and put in all new clamp together ductwork. I too am very grateful for all the advice and help that David Best gave to me in configuring my machine and recommending commissioning. I had Felder Tech Kelly commission my Kappa 400 and AD941. Not all would agree, but I think commissioning should be builtin to the pricing which would eliminate a lot of frustrations. Plus a big shout all to all those who are so helpful on this forum.?
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Re: Problem with Delivery of new Felder K770S
Thanks, Steve!
I was not really excited about assembling things. The slider is heavy and awkward, and the fence is also. I am not sure what the slider weighs, but your manifest says the slider and crate weigh about 350 pounds.
Trucking distance from Delaware is some 1,500 to 1,600 miles more than from Los Angeles. Hard to say what that means in terms of cost compared to shipping through the Panama Canal. American trucking is pretty efficient, so I would not expect the cost difference to be great. In fact, Felder must have determined it was in their best interest to route it through Delaware. I have heard of ships being diverted from LA to the east coast due to delays at Los Angeles.
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Not a Felder Owner yet - expecting K700S in February and A941 in April 2022
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K700s commissioning and DB
I finally got my new K700s commissioned and up and running yesterday. I ordered it in December 2020 and took delivery in late September. You'd think that after waiting 10 months I'd be ready for the saw but, no, not even close. After finishing a project I proceeded to completely reinvent my shop floor plan. Redo some electrical, tear up the dust collection and in the middle of it all, have half my knee replaced. Four weeks after surgery I was under the shop floor (wood floor, 3' crawlspace) putting the DC piping back together.?
I want to give a big shout out to David Best. I've never talked to him but have read everything he's written on buying one of these things at least five times so I felt pretty comfortable building the saw when ordering. One thing I kept seeing was his recommendation to have Felder commission your new machine. I sure didn't want to spend the $1400 but the fact he has Felder commission his new machines really made an impression on me. THANK GOD I FOLLOWED HIS ADVICE! I had put the saw together (Felder's instructions are rather vague on this) and noticed the slider seemed to be a bit high to the cast table on the outfeed side of the blade. No worries as the Felder tech will dial it in I thought. Turns out the cast table was way out of wack. Two opposite corners low and the other two high. The tech had to level the cast, then start from scratch with the slider and then dial everything else in. He was at the house for 9 hours but got it all set up. Thank you Kelly! And thank you DB! I'm reasonably mechanically inclined but I seriously doubt I could have figured it all out before I blew up with frustration. About the best $1400 I've ever spent. I'm really excited to get the shop back together and start cutting wood!
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Re: Problem with Delivery of new Felder K770S
John,
The commissioning contract says the saw must be in its final position which I took to mean put together and situated where it will live. I¡¯ve since learned that everything should be uncrated and the saw cabinet must be in the place it will live. And yes, the electrical and DC must be hooked up. They will ask you to measure the voltage and it must be within 10% of the rated power. You don¡¯t have to assemble anything so you will have parts all over the shop. They¡¯re all heavy and awkward so be careful. I got the feeling they prefer that the owner not assemble the saw so they can assemble it correctly and not have to fix any mistakes made by the owner. In my case I guess I assembled it correctly so no harm no foul. It was beneficial for me as it still took the whole day to commission. I described the commissioning in another post. Let me know if you don¡¯t see it.
Crazy your saw is coming through Delaware but it will probably save weeks if not months in delivery time. I¡¯m pretty sure mine sat on a ship for at least a few weeks as it took 10 months to arrive. I¡¯m so relived to have up and running. It¡¯s been a project and I¡¯m not done yet getting the shop back together.
Steve Krasovich
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Re: I need a little shaper help
Glen and others you need to be?meticulous with set up , ?make sure all bushings are clean no dirt or burrs they all have to be handled carefully . A Nick or burr in the sandwich can also bend the spindle. If you drop bushing inspect carefully . Mac..
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On Jan 6, 2022, at 9:52 PM, Glen Christensen <grchris1966@...> wrote:
? Speedrrracer, exactly what David K shared. Glen
Alpine Moulding and Millwork Inc.
Mail: ?? P.O. Box 486
?????????? Murphys , CA. 95247 Shop: 441 Pennsylvania Gulch Road ????????? Murphys, CA. 95247
????????? 209-540-7501
LIC # 707507
Glen,
Sorry to hear about this accident.? I'm trying to understand what you mean when you say that the last spacer was above the top of the shaft.? So the cutterhead was mounted on the spindle, perhaps some spacers below it, then you had spacers on top of the cutter head stacked to a height such that top of the spindle was below the top of the spacers?? So the top-most spacer wasn't fully in contact with the spindle?
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